Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote:
* at 17/04 14:00 +0200 Philip Newton said:
Mark Fowler wrote:
3) Write a set of scripts that are all basically the same but have
different #!/usr/bin/perl lines on the top and tell you the
with a bunch of different extensions such as .pl .plx .cgi for
combinations of "operating system" + web server that map scripts to
interpreters by extension and/or directory rather than by shebang line...
surely there should be a better way than this? after all the
combinations involved are quite numerous. is the notion of something
that does :
#!/bin/sh
if [ -e /usr/bin/perl ]; then
exec './bin_perl.pl'
fi
or equivalent too silly? although not sure this sort of thing is possible
on non unix type systems. OTOH would at least cut down the number of
files that the person installing needs to worry about.
I don't particularly see the number of scripts this person is installing
as a problem. The key concept is that these scripts are designed so that
someone who knows *nothing* about their system can basically upload them
all then see which one works. Once they've got this script working the
script should contain instructions on how to modify any of the
other scripts to work with their server.
I don't think what you're suggesting will work at all on windows. Or pure
mod_perl...
Feel free to disagree, I'm just suggesting ideas here. Honestly, I'm not
sure what's the best way...
Later.
Mark.
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Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)
* at 17/04 14:09 +0100 Mark Fowler said: On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote: surely there should be a better way than this? after all the combinations involved are quite numerous. is the notion of something that does : #!/bin/sh if [ -e /usr/bin/perl ]; then exec './bin_perl.pl' fi or equivalent too silly? although not sure this sort of thing is possible on non unix type systems. OTOH would at least cut down the number of files that the person installing needs to worry about. I don't particularly see the number of scripts this person is installing as a problem. The key concept is that these scripts are designed so that someone who knows *nothing* about their system can basically upload them all then see which one works. Once they've got this script working the script should contain instructions on how to modify any of the other scripts to work with their server. it's not so much the number of scripts as the "try each of these scripts till one works" situation i think we should be trying to minimise. I don't think what you're suggesting will work at all on windows. Or pure mod_perl... true. although the number of people using mod_perl who'll be using these is debatable. windows is a problem though. Feel free to disagree, I'm just suggesting ideas here. Honestly, I'm not sure what's the best way... heck, anything that helps is better than the "your isp will know" school of help. struan
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
longer talks.
I could do a lightening talk on playing around with skinning stuff with
Template Toolkit's brand spanking new VIEW directive. This would be very
quick as we've seen Andy do this kind of thing before in the pre-release
version. I'd be skinning XML again in my example, but this time I'd be
using XML::XPath...
I'll also be able to give a quick status update on the website for NMS
(probably at the same time as I'll be using it as my example)
Later.
Mark.
(Who thinks this is almost a show 'n' tell situation)
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NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)
* at 11/04 08:28 +0100 Mark Fowler said: On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote: snip I'll also be able to give a quick status update on the website for NMS (probably at the same time as I'll be using it as my example) what is the status of the NMS thing. i'm liable to have some spare time over the weekend so if there's anything that needs doing on this i could have a bash. struan
Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)
4) Install Apache::Template, Bundle-XML, Template Toolkit 2.02 on penderel I think this has already been mostly done, but I could be wrong. after much grappling with CPAN shell trying to upgrade us to 5.6.1, this is all done now, though a couple of newer versions of XML modules - not the crucial ones - failed tests, i didn't want to force. let me know if there's anything you want or need missing, jo
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:56:28PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote: nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small hours generating tremendous hangovers :) "sit"? IIRC, you tried to lean against a bench but unfortunately were standing between two benches, landing on the ground face-down. Marcel -- We are Perl. Your table will be assimilated. Your waiter will adapt to service us. Surrender your beer. Resistance is futile. -- London.pm strategy aka "embrace and extend" aka "mark and sweep"
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
Dave Cross wrote: I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else. Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place. Umm. Ok. Somebody give me the designs and I'll get them printed. Talk over. Or am I missing something?
RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:17 AM Dave Cross wrote: I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else. Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place. Umm. Ok. Somebody give me the designs and I'll get them printed. Mr Cantrell has them I believe. Talk over. Or am I missing something? You're missing the fact that by the meeting you'll have 9 more days of progress to report :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
* at 10/04 09:15 +0100 Greg McCarroll said: * Marcel Grunauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:56:28PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote: nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small hours generating tremendous hangovers :) "sit"? IIRC, you tried to lean against a bench but unfortunately were standing between two benches, landing on the ground face-down. its a good job he had lots of `anasthetic' that night, or that would of really hurt not at the time no :( struan
RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April
From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:19 AM might be nice to have status reports from: * The t-shirt committee What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one. There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of them :) Are the designs on the web anywhere? Paul? Dave? Anyone? http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/321a.html is a fairly new addition I think. Been there for a few months. It's a top piece of code tho'. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
jo walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us, but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step forward. i recall promising to do 20 minutes on '101 fun things to do with Tangram', or something like that. Swear at the maintainer who *still* hasn't put some stuff to allow for schema changes during development without losing data. -- Piers
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
Neil Ford wrote: Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'? Got em, cheers.
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
dcross - David Cross sent the following bits through the ether: Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us, Righto, I'd like to do talks on the following subjects: o Creating an optimising compiler and interpreter for a toy language o More Graphing Perl (crazy stuff Marcel and I have done) o Testing (Test, Test::Simple, Test::More, Test::Unit, Devel::Coverage) o Benchmarking (Benchmark, Devel::DProf, Devel::OpProf, Devel::SmallProf) Of course, I'll actually be in the alps snowboarding[1], so this may have to wait until the next technical meet[2] ;-) [1] read this as "hurting" [2] although you're welcome to steal the bottom two and do them without me, sniff -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... A flashlight is a case for holding dead batteries
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:04:07AM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'? I forwarded it to him, along with the designs that Paul did. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is a signature. There are many like it but this one is mine. ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards. Can we all join in? yes the hitch in the t-shirt plan seems to be Mr Cantrell, so i think we all need to smack our hitch up ;-) That was kind of what I meant. MBM (any excuse :) -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) standards n.: The principles upon which we reject other people's code.
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three longer talks. I'd like to give a (preferably "longer") talk about parsing and semantic transformation of Perl code. I promise to think of a less scary title, and try not to say "semantic transformation". Should take about 20 minutes. .robin. -- select replace(a, CHR(88), replace(a,,'')) from ( select 'select replace(a, CHR(88), replace(a,,)) from ( select ''X'' a from dual)' a from dual)
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:31:11PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: At 22:10 09/04/2001, Neil Ford wrote: On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical meeting on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about 7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er... soon. Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-( If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was. Neil, Thanks for warning me. Does anyone want to take on the task of being projector monitor and picking it up from Sussex? Sure, I'll polish up the terrorist-mobile[1]. Someone mail me off-list with some instructions. [1] Which contrary to what Micheal J Fox thinks, will do 90, eventually. -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
* at 09/04 16:09 +0100 dcross - David Cross said: snip/ p.s Next social meeting is on Thur 3rd May. Suggestions for venues would be most welcome. nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small hours generating tremendous hangovers :) struan
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote: Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us, but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step forward. i'll do some more music for a bit. alex -- here they come lalalalala la lalalalala la the part time punks
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us, but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step forward. i recall promising to do 20 minutes on '101 fun things to do with Tangram', or something like that. am still happy to do this, but also happy to do less time if more people want to do longer talks. jo
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: might be nice to have status reports from: * The t-shirt committee There has been movement on this! I, however, will not be able to attend cos I have a visitor from the darker regions of the galaxy. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is a signature. There are many like it but this one is mine. ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
At 19:16 09/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: might be nice to have status reports from: * The t-shirt committee There has been movement on this! I, however, will not be able to attend cos I have a visitor from the darker regions of the galaxy. I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else. Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place. Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] plugData Munging with Perl http://www.manning.com/cross//plug
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical meeting on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about 7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er... soon. Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-( If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
At 22:10 09/04/2001, Neil Ford wrote: On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical meeting on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about 7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er... soon. Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-( If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was. Neil, Thanks for warning me. Does anyone want to take on the task of being projector monitor and picking it up from Sussex? Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] plugData Munging with Perl http://www.manning.com/cross//plug
