Re: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?

2002-01-09 Thread christoph . beyer

hmmm,

seems to be a bit tricky, why don't you start the lpd in a debug mode (lpd
-d2) and look what's happening. Using appletalk is really pain !!!


regards
~christoph



On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, David L. R. Houston wrote:

 I got a considerable number of replies to this posting.  Alas, nothing,
 but nothing, has helped.

 Short and sweet question: has anyone gotten LPRng to function for a
 Macintosh client (running OS9 or OSX) that sets up its printers with the
 Desktop Printer Utility, LPR Printing using IP? (i.e. NOT using Appletalk)

 Here is what I know:

 - Netatalk is now installed on the same test machine.

 - However, a simple test on the other (primary) server reveals that in
 fact netatalk is *not* required to get LPR printing using IP to work.
 Netatalk *would* be needed _if_ printer selection and processing happened
 over _Appletalk_.  Since one of my chief goals is to do away with this
 hideous protocol, I need to be sure I can print without it.

 - Setting up a printer on either an OSX  or OS9 Mac client involves use of
 the Desktop Printer Utility, LPR type printing, and then entry of the
 hostname, and then the named print queue.  No combination of hostname
 (which for testing is gecko.uvm.edu) or named printers found in the
 /usr/local/etc/printcap gives any output.

 - All tests yield the identical result: (from /usr/local/bin/lpq -Pall)
   Printer: lp@gecko (holdall)
   Queue: no printable jobs in queue
   Status: lp: Check_for_missing files: missing data file
 'dfA569ip103038.uvm.edu' at 11:16:27.567
   Printer: laserq@gecko
   Queue: no printable jobs in queue
   Server: no server active
   Status: job 'cfA674gecko' saved at 11:12:29.321
   Rank   Owner/ID  Class Job FilesSize  Time
   done   rootA   674 /usr/local/src_lprng 63363 11:12:26

 The problem seems to be very consistent: the *data* portion of the file
 never gets there.  I have tried printcap with and without send_data_first
 and send_block_format - no change at all.

 Printcap entries:
 .common:
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/%P
:sh:mx=0:mc=0

 # Jetdirect Box number 1
 lp:tc=.common:lp=saturnp1.uvm.edu%9100\
   :send_data_first:

 # Jetdirect box number 2 (different model)
 laserq:tc=.common:lp=132.198.103.204%9100
   :send_data_first
   :send_block_format

 It is seemingly impossible to determine if the control file or header
 file ever makes it to the system.  Setting a debug level to network does
 seem to confirm that the connection itself is being made just fine.

 The conclusion I am rapidly approaching is that LPRng and/or the Mac OS
 (9.2.2 or X) are not capable of working together without Appletalk, that
 either LPRng requires pure Appletalk printing (in which case CAP or
 Netatalk is mandated) or simply cannot handle the print request the way it
 is set up at the client end when using LPR printing using IP on the
 workstation.

 If *anyone* has managed to use Desktop Printer Utility, LPR printing using
 IP on a Mac with LPRng (and NO Appletalk), I would _LOVE_ to hear from
 you.

 This seems, if true, unfortunate, given the poor (and that's charitable!)
 state of the Appletalk protocol.  To my knowledge, most installations are
 moving away from Appletalk.  To have a product that requires it's use
 seems most unfortunate.

   David Houston
   CIT Client Services Coordinator
   University of Vermont



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Re: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?

2002-01-09 Thread Herbert Engelmann

David L. R. Houston wrote:
 
 
 Short and sweet question: has anyone gotten LPRng to function for a
 Macintosh client (running OS9 or OSX) that sets up its printers with the
 Desktop Printer Utility, LPR Printing using IP? (i.e. NOT using Appletalk)
 

 
 If *anyone* has managed to use Desktop Printer Utility, LPR printing using
 IP on a Mac with LPRng (and NO Appletalk), I would _LOVE_ to hear from
 you.
 

Dear David,

it should work. We are using LPRng and it is possible to print from OSX
without Appletalk. The coworker, who does the Apple-things here is off
to
Switzerland for skiing (that's where Apple-users go) and should be back
next week. There is nothing to do on the LPRng side to accomodate
printing
from OSX.

Did you try tcpdump (or some equivalent) to trace the packets coming and
going on your server? This helps me a lot with such problems as i can
verify compliance with RFC 1179.

regards

Herbert Engelmann
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H. Engelmann, 089-289-28836, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?

2002-01-09 Thread David L. R. Houston

Unfortunately, running lpd in debug (I've tried D1 - 10 and
Network) always winds up in the same place: Check_for_missing
files: missing data file.  I have no way of determining *why* the data
part is missing...

David

On Jan 9, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

. hmmm,
. 
. seems to be a bit tricky, why don't you start the lpd in a debug mode (lpd
. -d2) and look what's happening. Using appletalk is really pain !!!
. 
. 
. regards
.   ~christoph
. 
. 
. 
. On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, David L. R. Houston wrote:
. 
.  I got a considerable number of replies to this posting.  Alas, nothing,
.  but nothing, has helped.
. 
.  Short and sweet question: has anyone gotten LPRng to function for a
.  Macintosh client (running OS9 or OSX) that sets up its printers with the
.  Desktop Printer Utility, LPR Printing using IP? (i.e. NOT using Appletalk)
. 
.  Here is what I know:
. 
.  - Netatalk is now installed on the same test machine.
. 
.  - However, a simple test on the other (primary) server reveals that in
.  fact netatalk is *not* required to get LPR printing using IP to work.
.  Netatalk *would* be needed _if_ printer selection and processing happened
.  over _Appletalk_.  Since one of my chief goals is to do away with this
.  hideous protocol, I need to be sure I can print without it.
. 
.  - Setting up a printer on either an OSX  or OS9 Mac client involves use of
.  the Desktop Printer Utility, LPR type printing, and then entry of the
.  hostname, and then the named print queue.  No combination of hostname
.  (which for testing is gecko.uvm.edu) or named printers found in the
.  /usr/local/etc/printcap gives any output.
. 
.  - All tests yield the identical result: (from /usr/local/bin/lpq -Pall)
.  Printer: lp@gecko (holdall)
.  Queue: no printable jobs in queue
.  Status: lp: Check_for_missing files: missing data file
.  'dfA569ip103038.uvm.edu' at 11:16:27.567
.  Printer: laserq@gecko
.  Queue: no printable jobs in queue
.  Server: no server active
.  Status: job 'cfA674gecko' saved at 11:12:29.321
.  Rank   Owner/ID  Class Job FilesSize  Time
.  done   rootA   674 /usr/local/src_lprng 63363 11:12:26
. 
.  The problem seems to be very consistent: the *data* portion of the file
.  never gets there.  I have tried printcap with and without send_data_first
.  and send_block_format - no change at all.
. 
.  Printcap entries:
.  .common:
. :sd=/var/spool/lpd/%P
. :sh:mx=0:mc=0
. 
.  # Jetdirect Box number 1
.  lp:tc=.common:lp=saturnp1.uvm.edu%9100\
.:send_data_first:
. 
.  # Jetdirect box number 2 (different model)
.  laserq:tc=.common:lp=132.198.103.204%9100
.:send_data_first
.:send_block_format
. 
.  It is seemingly impossible to determine if the control file or header
.  file ever makes it to the system.  Setting a debug level to network does
.  seem to confirm that the connection itself is being made just fine.
. 
.  The conclusion I am rapidly approaching is that LPRng and/or the Mac OS
.  (9.2.2 or X) are not capable of working together without Appletalk, that
.  either LPRng requires pure Appletalk printing (in which case CAP or
.  Netatalk is mandated) or simply cannot handle the print request the way it
.  is set up at the client end when using LPR printing using IP on the
.  workstation.
. 
.  If *anyone* has managed to use Desktop Printer Utility, LPR printing using
.  IP on a Mac with LPRng (and NO Appletalk), I would _LOVE_ to hear from
.  you.
. 
.  This seems, if true, unfortunate, given the poor (and that's charitable!)
.  state of the Appletalk protocol.  To my knowledge, most installations are
.  moving away from Appletalk.  To have a product that requires it's use
.  seems most unfortunate.
. 
.  David Houston
.  CIT Client Services Coordinator
.  University of Vermont
. 
. 
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Re: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?

2002-01-09 Thread christoph . beyer

hmm, I'm quite sure that the problem is on the mac side, perhaps one of
the experienced mac user from the list can give you a detailed description
of the setup ?



On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, David L. R. Houston wrote:

 Unfortunately, running lpd in debug (I've tried D1 - 10 and
 Network) always winds up in the same place: Check_for_missing
 files: missing data file.  I have no way of determining *why* the data
 part is missing...

   David

 On Jan 9, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 . hmmm,
 .
 . seems to be a bit tricky, why don't you start the lpd in a debug mode (lpd
 . -d2) and look what's happening. Using appletalk is really pain !!!
 .
 .
 . regards
 . ~christoph
 .
 .
 .
 . On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, David L. R. Houston wrote:
 .
 .  I got a considerable number of replies to this posting.  Alas, nothing,
 .  but nothing, has helped.
 . 
 .  Short and sweet question: has anyone gotten LPRng to function for a
 .  Macintosh client (running OS9 or OSX) that sets up its printers with the
 .  Desktop Printer Utility, LPR Printing using IP? (i.e. NOT using Appletalk)
 . 
 .  Here is what I know:
 . 
 .  - Netatalk is now installed on the same test machine.
 . 
 .  - However, a simple test on the other (primary) server reveals that in
 .  fact netatalk is *not* required to get LPR printing using IP to work.
 .  Netatalk *would* be needed _if_ printer selection and processing happened
 .  over _Appletalk_.  Since one of my chief goals is to do away with this
 .  hideous protocol, I need to be sure I can print without it.
 . 
 .  - Setting up a printer on either an OSX  or OS9 Mac client involves use of
 .  the Desktop Printer Utility, LPR type printing, and then entry of the
 .  hostname, and then the named print queue.  No combination of hostname
 .  (which for testing is gecko.uvm.edu) or named printers found in the
 .  /usr/local/etc/printcap gives any output.
 . 
 .  - All tests yield the identical result: (from /usr/local/bin/lpq -Pall)
 .Printer: lp@gecko (holdall)
 .Queue: no printable jobs in queue
 .Status: lp: Check_for_missing files: missing data file
 .  'dfA569ip103038.uvm.edu' at 11:16:27.567
 .Printer: laserq@gecko
 .Queue: no printable jobs in queue
 .Server: no server active
 .Status: job 'cfA674gecko' saved at 11:12:29.321
 .Rank   Owner/ID  Class Job FilesSize  Time
 .done   rootA   674 /usr/local/src_lprng 63363 11:12:26
 . 
 .  The problem seems to be very consistent: the *data* portion of the file
 .  never gets there.  I have tried printcap with and without send_data_first
 .  and send_block_format - no change at all.
 . 
 .  Printcap entries:
 .  .common:
 . :sd=/var/spool/lpd/%P
 . :sh:mx=0:mc=0
 . 
 .  # Jetdirect Box number 1
 .  lp:tc=.common:lp=saturnp1.uvm.edu%9100\
 .:send_data_first:
 . 
 .  # Jetdirect box number 2 (different model)
 .  laserq:tc=.common:lp=132.198.103.204%9100
 .:send_data_first
 .:send_block_format
 . 
 .  It is seemingly impossible to determine if the control file or header
 .  file ever makes it to the system.  Setting a debug level to network does
 .  seem to confirm that the connection itself is being made just fine.
 . 
 .  The conclusion I am rapidly approaching is that LPRng and/or the Mac OS
 .  (9.2.2 or X) are not capable of working together without Appletalk, that
 .  either LPRng requires pure Appletalk printing (in which case CAP or
 .  Netatalk is mandated) or simply cannot handle the print request the way it
 .  is set up at the client end when using LPR printing using IP on the
 .  workstation.
 . 
 .  If *anyone* has managed to use Desktop Printer Utility, LPR printing using
 .  IP on a Mac with LPRng (and NO Appletalk), I would _LOVE_ to hear from
 .  you.
 . 
 .  This seems, if true, unfortunate, given the poor (and that's charitable!)
 .  state of the Appletalk protocol.  To my knowledge, most installations are
 .  moving away from Appletalk.  To have a product that requires it's use
 .  seems most unfortunate.
 . 
 .David Houston
 .CIT Client Services Coordinator
 .University of Vermont
 . 
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Re: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?

2002-01-09 Thread Daniel Carroll

David L. R. Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I got a considerable number of replies to this posting.  Alas, nothing,
 but nothing, has helped.
 
 Short and sweet question: has anyone gotten LPRng to function for a
 Macintosh client (running OS9 or OSX) that sets up its printers with the
 Desktop Printer Utility, LPR Printing using IP? (i.e. NOT using Appletalk)
 
 [ ... ]
 
 If *anyone* has managed to use Desktop Printer Utility, LPR printing using
 IP on a Mac with LPRng (and NO Appletalk), I would _LOVE_ to hear from
 you.

We only have a couple of mac users printing to network printers at our
site, but setting them up with the printer utility was simple and worked
on the first try for me.

If it helps, I'm running LPRng v3.7.9, and I think (but have not confirmed)
that the mac users are running Mac OS 9.

If it helps at all, here's the printcap entry for the printer that one of
the mac users prints to:

engl_prn5r:force_localhost
engl_prn5r:server
:bk
:send_data_first
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/%P
:lp=10.0.80.50%9100
:sh

- Dan

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Re: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?

2002-01-08 Thread David L. R. Houston

I got a considerable number of replies to this posting.  Alas, nothing,
but nothing, has helped.

Short and sweet question: has anyone gotten LPRng to function for a
Macintosh client (running OS9 or OSX) that sets up its printers with the
Desktop Printer Utility, LPR Printing using IP? (i.e. NOT using Appletalk)

Here is what I know:

- Netatalk is now installed on the same test machine.

- However, a simple test on the other (primary) server reveals that in
fact netatalk is *not* required to get LPR printing using IP to work.  
Netatalk *would* be needed _if_ printer selection and processing happened
over _Appletalk_.  Since one of my chief goals is to do away with this
hideous protocol, I need to be sure I can print without it.

- Setting up a printer on either an OSX  or OS9 Mac client involves use of
the Desktop Printer Utility, LPR type printing, and then entry of the
hostname, and then the named print queue.  No combination of hostname
(which for testing is gecko.uvm.edu) or named printers found in the
/usr/local/etc/printcap gives any output.

- All tests yield the identical result: (from /usr/local/bin/lpq -Pall)
Printer: lp@gecko (holdall)
Queue: no printable jobs in queue
Status: lp: Check_for_missing files: missing data file
'dfA569ip103038.uvm.edu' at 11:16:27.567
Printer: laserq@gecko
Queue: no printable jobs in queue
Server: no server active
Status: job 'cfA674gecko' saved at 11:12:29.321
Rank   Owner/ID  Class Job FilesSize  Time
done   rootA   674 /usr/local/src_lprng 63363 11:12:26

The problem seems to be very consistent: the *data* portion of the file
never gets there.  I have tried printcap with and without send_data_first
and send_block_format - no change at all.

Printcap entries:
.common:
   :sd=/var/spool/lpd/%P
   :sh:mx=0:mc=0

# Jetdirect Box number 1
lp:tc=.common:lp=saturnp1.uvm.edu%9100\
  :send_data_first:

# Jetdirect box number 2 (different model)
laserq:tc=.common:lp=132.198.103.204%9100
  :send_data_first
  :send_block_format

It is seemingly impossible to determine if the control file or header
file ever makes it to the system.  Setting a debug level to network does
seem to confirm that the connection itself is being made just fine.

The conclusion I am rapidly approaching is that LPRng and/or the Mac OS
(9.2.2 or X) are not capable of working together without Appletalk, that
either LPRng requires pure Appletalk printing (in which case CAP or
Netatalk is mandated) or simply cannot handle the print request the way it
is set up at the client end when using LPR printing using IP on the
workstation.

If *anyone* has managed to use Desktop Printer Utility, LPR printing using
IP on a Mac with LPRng (and NO Appletalk), I would _LOVE_ to hear from
you.

This seems, if true, unfortunate, given the poor (and that's charitable!)
state of the Appletalk protocol.  To my knowledge, most installations are
moving away from Appletalk.  To have a product that requires it's use
seems most unfortunate.

David Houston
CIT Client Services Coordinator
University of Vermont



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Re: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?

2002-01-08 Thread Rick Cochran

We have hundreds of Macs running OS9 and OSX using lpr to print thousands 
of print jobs to LPRng with no problem whatsoever.

Don't give up.

-Rick

At 12:30 PM 1/8/2002, you wrote:
If *anyone* has managed to use Desktop Printer Utility, LPR printing using
IP on a Mac with LPRng (and NO Appletalk), I would _LOVE_ to hear from
you.


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LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?

2002-01-07 Thread David L. R. Houston

Ok, let's try this:

Has anyone gotten LPRng to print *anything* submitted from a *non* UNIX
client at all (eg. Windows, Macintosh)?

I am beginning to believe that I missed the boat completely and that this
simply is not possible using this product. Nothing works except host based
requests (which do work quite well).

Any success stories appreciated before I put this whole project to
sleep...

David Houston
CIT Client Services Coordinator
University of Vermont




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Re: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?

2002-01-07 Thread Wyman Eric Miles


We've been using it for 3 years now, Windows, MacOS, and UNIX (several
flavors).  What's the problem?

samba and CAP are the Windows/Mac entry point and the UNIX clients use
lpr.


On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, David L. R. Houston wrote:

 Ok, let's try this:

 Has anyone gotten LPRng to print *anything* submitted from a *non* UNIX
 client at all (eg. Windows, Macintosh)?

 I am beginning to believe that I missed the boat completely and that this
 simply is not possible using this product. Nothing works except host based
 requests (which do work quite well).

 Any success stories appreciated before I put this whole project to
 sleep...

   David Houston
   CIT Client Services Coordinator
   University of Vermont




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RE: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?

2002-01-07 Thread Michael Koehn

David,

We print from Windows client in the following setup all of the time:

Windows Client to Windows Server (SMB) to LPRng Server (LPR).

NT4 and W2K servers.  No problems at all.

Michael Koehn
Abilene Library Consortium
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 Subject: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?


 Ok, let's try this:

 Has anyone gotten LPRng to print *anything* submitted from a *non* UNIX
 client at all (eg. Windows, Macintosh)?

 I am beginning to believe that I missed the boat completely and that this
 simply is not possible using this product. Nothing works except host based
 requests (which do work quite well).

 Any success stories appreciated before I put this whole project to
 sleep...

   David Houston
   CIT Client Services Coordinator
   University of Vermont




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Re: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?

2002-01-07 Thread Ryan Novosielski

Yes. I send jobs via LPR without a problem using the software that
apparently comes with HP Printers. The printer port is referred to as HP
Standard TCP/IP Port. The only time this didn't work was with a Windows
NT server accepting jobs from a lab and then forwarding them to LPRng --
the queue would often hang and the NT machine's queue status said
Restarting.

But, yes, for a lab of about 20 Windows PC's, maybe more, I am
successfully using LPRng to recieve LPR spooled jobs in my university.

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On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, David L. R. Houston wrote:

 Ok, let's try this:

 Has anyone gotten LPRng to print *anything* submitted from a *non* UNIX
 client at all (eg. Windows, Macintosh)?

 I am beginning to believe that I missed the boat completely and that this
 simply is not possible using this product. Nothing works except host based
 requests (which do work quite well).

 Any success stories appreciated before I put this whole project to
 sleep...

   David Houston
   CIT Client Services Coordinator
   University of Vermont




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Re: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?

2002-01-07 Thread Keith Rinaldo

We, as well, have a number of Win2K Pro boxes that print directly to
printers.egr.unlv.edu using the LPR services.

It works nicely.

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From: Andrew Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: LPRng: Printing from non UNIX clients possible?



 I believe he was referring to direct LPR-style connections from non-unix
 systems, not connections through a program like Samba.  We use both styles
 here.  The majority of our printing is done through Samba and Netatalk,
 but we do have several Windows 2000 Terminal Servers which print directly
 to port 515 on our LPRng print server.

 Andy

 On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Wyman Eric Miles wrote:

 
  We've been using it for 3 years now, Windows, MacOS, and UNIX (several
  flavors).  What's the problem?
 
  samba and CAP are the Windows/Mac entry point and the UNIX clients use
  lpr.
 
 
  On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, David L. R. Houston wrote:
 
   Ok, let's try this:
  
   Has anyone gotten LPRng to print *anything* submitted from a *non*
UNIX
   client at all (eg. Windows, Macintosh)?
  
   I am beginning to believe that I missed the boat completely and that
this
   simply is not possible using this product. Nothing works except host
based
   requests (which do work quite well).
  
   Any success stories appreciated before I put this whole project to
   sleep...
  
   David Houston
   CIT Client Services Coordinator
   University of Vermont
  
  
  
  
 
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