Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Jeff Tantsura
Sold! Cheers, Jeff On 4/6/18, 14:45, "Acee Lindem (acee)" wrote: Good point - we will expand to: -lsr-ospf- - OSPF Specific drafts pertaining to both OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 -lsr-ospfv2- - OSPFv2 only Specific drafts -lsr-ospfv3- - OSPFv3 only Specific dra

Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Good point - we will expand to: -lsr-ospf- - OSPF Specific drafts pertaining to both OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 -lsr-ospfv2- - OSPFv2 only Specific drafts -lsr-ospfv3- - OSPFv3 only Specific drafts -lsr-isis-- IS-IS Specific drafts -lsr- - Drafts c

Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Jeff Tantsura
Acee, What about ospfv2 vs ospfv3 specifics? We keep it as before - eg “ospf” covers either or ospfv2, “ospfv3” is for ospfv3 only? Regards, Jeff > On Apr 6, 2018, at 12:25, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > I'm fine with the proposed naming conventions for new drafts. Formally: > >-lsr-os

Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Jeff Tantsura
+1 Regards, Jeff > On Apr 6, 2018, at 12:25, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > I'm fine with the proposed naming conventions for new drafts. Formally: > >-lsr-ospf- - OSPF Specific drafts >-lsr-isis- - IS-IS Specific drafts >-lsr- - Drafts covering both > protocol

Re: [Lsr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I think this discussion has already gone much too far in the direction of customized flooding optimizations. Such is the nature of the engineering mind – give us a problem to solve and we’ll come up with a plethora of solutions. The right perspective (for me anyway) is this: IGPs have been pop

Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
I'm fine with the proposed naming conventions for new drafts. Formally: -lsr-ospf- - OSPF Specific drafts -lsr-isis- - IS-IS Specific drafts -lsr- - Drafts covering both protocols. Anyone strongly disagree? Thanks, Acee On 4/6/18, 1:57 PM, "

[Lsr] Implementations of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload

2018-04-06 Thread Alvaro Retana
Dear lsr WG: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload [1] defines a new BGP-LS Graceful-Link-Shutdown TLV. When an early allocation was requested, it was mistakenly requested from the "BGP-LS NLRI-Types" registry [2], not from the "BGP-LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute TL

Re: [Lsr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Robert Raszuk
I agree with Rob & Tony. Converging on single algorithm across zoo of vendors is not going to happen bearing in mind that every single change to such algorithm will require a massive 1000s nodes software upgrade each time. Note that even if IETF converges industry may not and that is a practical

Re: [Lsr] LSR WG IPR Query for "Signaling MSD (Maximum SID Depth) using OSPF" - draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd-10.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Jeff Tantsura
Hi Acee, I’m aware of the IPR and it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules. https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3040/ Thanks! Cheers, Jeff From: Lsr on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" Date: Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 18:22 To: "draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd...@ietf.

Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tom - Thanx for the support. It occurs to me that your filter still needs adjustment however - since there will be cases when a common document is used for all protocols - and in such a case you can only expect "-lsr-" to be in the title. My point is there should be a straightforward way to id

Re: [Lsr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Rob Shakir
Peter, How do we transition between algorithms in the approach that you suggest? Do all non-stub devices need to be upgraded to support the new algorithm before such time as we can use it? (I think so, because otherwise some non-stub device cannot be guaranteed to flood to its downstream stub devi

Re: [Lsr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Tony, if we start with a single standardized algorithm, that is easy to implement and deploy. We can leave the door open for additional algorithms to be defined later together with the selection mechanism. I have the feeling that the dependency of the "flooding topology" on the flooded da

Re: [Lsr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt

2018-04-06 Thread tony . li
Hi Peter, Thank you for your comments. > while I appreciate the flexibility associated with the centralized > computation of the flooding topology, it has some drawbacks as well: > > 1. "flooding topology" must be flooded. This makes the flooding dependent on > the flooded data itself. Abso

Re: [Lsr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Tony, while I appreciate the flexibility associated with the centralized computation of the flooding topology, it has some drawbacks as well: 1. "flooding topology" must be flooded. This makes the flooding dependent on the flooded data itself. 2. The extra flooding of "flooding topology"

Re: [Lsr] OSPF Routing with Cross-Address Family MPLS Traffic Engineering Tunnels

2018-04-06 Thread Anton Smirnov
Hi Acee, my answers below (I didn't vet them with other authors, so they may express different opinions). > 1. Have you considered a shorter name for the RFC? For example: “OSPF > Cross Address Family Traffic Engineering Tunnels”? Your proposed variant drops two pieces: "Routing

Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-04-06 Thread t.petch
- Original Message - From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 5:26 PM > Chris - > > > -Original Message- > > From: Christian Hopps > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 7:32 AM > > > > I think that the only time we should include the protocol (in addition to '-