Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp works like citrix?
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Mohammed Riswan jolie_...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Hi all, please answer my quesion if anybody knows, is ltsp is works like a citrix metaframe? can we create an individual sessions same like citrix for all the users? I appreciate if any1 could help me to answer the above.. Never used citrix metaframe, you can try out how ltsp works using the live DVD from here: http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live LTSP runs directly from the live DVD, no configuration required. Cheers -J -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
Works just fine with Jaunty. Unfortunately no backports - yeah means
certainly a lot of work.
2009/4/24 Peter Stein peterstei...@googlemail.com:
Ok, I added the line as suggest to reenable the non-removable device
support. It doesn't really matter for us if users can access the thin
clients' HD. However, I was not able to access the external hard
drive.
I tried on the workstation: ltspfsmounter /tmp add and got a drive
mounted in /media/tmp just as it is supposed to be. Unfortunately it
was the thin client's memory and not the external drive.
ltspfs thinclient:/dev/sdb1 /media/tmp /mountpoint gave me nothing but
a mess. After prompting the command I can not even determine the
folder's permissions. Is there any way I can mount a specific device
that is connected to the thin client. I think that would be a
solution. Even if auto mount didn't work I wouldn't really mind. I
could not find any hint in the man pages or the scripts.
Maybe I do it all wrong. Thanks again for your help.
Peter
2009/4/22 Vagrant Cascadian vagr...@freegeek.org:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 04:44:41PM +0200, Peter Stein wrote:
my LTSP 5 gets better, but still needs some kind of attention. This
time: External hard drives. Currently I use LTSP 5 on a Ubuntu 8.04
(hardy for the thin client's OS, but Debian Etch for the
workstations). We have auto mount for USB flash drives. That works
impeccably. But I could not figure out a way to mount real external
hard drives via ltspfsmounter or any other way (manually).
external USB hard disks may not be considered removeable by udev, even though
USB is clearly removeable (i think the same is true for firewire). many of
the
recent changes to ltspfs were done to address this issue.
i'm not sure if this applies to your Ubuntu 8.04 LTSP chroot, but NEWS.Debian
in Debian contains:
ltspfs (0.5.0~) unstable; urgency=low
* automatic mounting of non-removable devices is now disabled by default
to enable, in /etc/udev/rules.d/*ltspfsd.rules, remove ATTRS{removable}==1
from the appropriate lines. see http://bugs.debian.org/432024 for more
information.
-- Vagrant Cascadian vagr...@freegeek.org Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:19:04 -0800
although in recent versions, we actually switched to LOCALDEV_DENY in
lts.conf
(hmm... i'd better update the NEWS.Debian file...)
live well,
vagrant
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[Ltsp-discuss] R: small chroot environement
The hardware of my clients is very poor : PII 200 mhz + 64 mb. They works quite well, but during my tests i saw that booting time and performances are proportionally at dimension of chroot image (/opt/ltsp/images/i386.img). I would try to create a small chroot image to see if the clients works better, or do you think that's useless? To do this on xubuntu 9.04 I did: ltsp-build-client (this create the default image of 186mb taking packages from jaunty repo (xubuntu 9.04) ltsp-build-client --base /opt/ltsp_hardy --arch i386 --dist hardy (this create a image of 165mb taking packages from hardy repo (xubuntu 8.04) Emanuele -Messaggio originale- Da: jam [mailto:j...@tigger.ws] Inviato: mercoledì 29 aprile 2009 2.34 A: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net Oggetto: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] small chroot environement On Wednesday 29 April 2009 03:04:17 ltsp-discuss-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: Hi, do you know how to create a small chroot environment for ltsp clients? I have created the default one with ltsp-build-client but the i386.img became 186 mb with xubuntu 9.04 and 150mb with ubuntu 8.04. thank you! Emanuele why is the size of the chroot of the slightest concern? I cannot see how it affects you in any way James -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf_ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp works like citrix?
On Wednesday 29 Apr 2009, Mohammed Riswan wrote: please answer my quesion if anybody knows, is ltsp is works like a citrix metaframe? can we create an individual sessions same like citrix for all the users? We use metaframe and ltsp, so I should be able to answer. Once the users have logged in, it works just the same as metaframe, with each user have their own user account and session. They log in/log out etc all pretty similar to metaframe. There is no in-built method of shadowing users, but various open source applications may be installed to fulfill this need. Users can be logged off easily enough. The key difference is that with metaframe you need to have a client operating system. Okay, you might buy dedicated thin clients, but they still have to have an operating system - even if it's only Windows CE. You then connect from that client o/s to the metaframe server. With LTSP, the LTSP server provides the client operating system at boot time. Thus the client can literally be bare metal (I always disconnect the hard drives). Thus with LTSP you only have to maintain the server, and the single client operating system which resides in a chroot directory on the server. The other key difference with metaframe, is that by default, LTSP won't work across subnets, and in particular across low-bandwidth connections. But we get around this by installing FreeNX on the server, and connecting from remote fat clients using NoMachine NX Client. Hope that helps. -- Chris Roberts +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Etch | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-1~40 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.5| | Kernel | 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 | +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Lenny | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-2 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.10 | | Kernel | 2.6.26-2-686 | +--+--+ -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] small chroot environement
On Tuesday 28 Apr 2009, ebarde...@iris-group.it wrote: Hi, do you know how to create a small chroot environment for ltsp clients? I have created the default one with ltsp-build-client but the i386.img became 186 mb with xubuntu 9.04 and 150mb with ubuntu 8.04. thank you! You don't usually install a full desktop environment in the chroot, which is I think what you are trying to do. The client is only a means to an end (getting to LDM and thus to desktop environment on the server). I think you're doing the fat client thing with ltsp, which isn't the norm, although it will work I understand. -- Chris Roberts +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Etch | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-1~40 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.5| | Kernel | 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 | +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Lenny | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-2 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.10 | | Kernel | 2.6.26-2-686 | +--+--+ -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp works like citrix?
Of course the other key difference is the lack of group policies for controlling users. I use kiosk-tool for kde (which is dreadful) and I understand there is pessalus for gnome (about which I know nothing). -- Chris Roberts +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Etch | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-1~40 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.5| | Kernel | 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 | +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Lenny | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-2 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.10 | | Kernel | 2.6.26-2-686 | +--+--+ -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
[Ltsp-discuss] R: small chroot environement
Following the installation manual I run ltsp-build-client and it create the chroot image automatically. There is another way? I miss to do something? I have to work inside this directory (/usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu) ? How big is your i386.img? thank you Emanuele -Messaggio originale- Da: Chris Roberts [mailto:c...@tridentgarages.co.uk] Inviato: mercoledì 29 aprile 2009 10.29 A: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net Oggetto: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] small chroot environement On Tuesday 28 Apr 2009, ebarde...@iris-group.it wrote: Hi, do you know how to create a small chroot environment for ltsp clients? I have created the default one with ltsp-build-client but the i386.img became 186 mb with xubuntu 9.04 and 150mb with ubuntu 8.04. thank you! You don't usually install a full desktop environment in the chroot, which is I think what you are trying to do. The client is only a means to an end (getting to LDM and thus to desktop environment on the server). I think you're doing the fat client thing with ltsp, which isn't the norm, although it will work I understand. -- Chris Roberts +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Etch | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-1~40 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.5| | Kernel | 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 | +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Lenny | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-2 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.10 | | Kernel | 2.6.26-2-686 | +--+--+ -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf_ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp works like citrix?
Chris Roberts wrote: Of course the other key difference is the lack of group policies for controlling users. I use kiosk-tool for kde (which is dreadful) and I understand there is pessalus for gnome (about which I know nothing). Yes, this is a pain - but I doubt Citrix metaframe server for Unix (yes, it exists despite the fact that most Citrix resellers know nothing about it) will implement something of it. Hopefully Fedora 11 with its control groups support will provide answer to some of these questions... Ondrej -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] rdesktop lock ups
On Tuesday 28 Apr 2009, Chris Roberts wrote: Actually it is failing at 10-minutes not 20-minutes, and it is at the exact moment that the screen goes off. I am not quite as sure about this as I was, it seems that sometimes it survives the screen blanking at 10 minutes, but if it does survive, it usually locks up at 20 minute. From the client console I have run... # xset -display :7 -q ... and this reports that blanking is done at 600 seconds with a 600 second cycle. Then the DPMS settings are for standby at 1200, suspend at 1800 and off at 2400. DPMS is enabled. I have tried... # xset -display :7 -dpms # xset -display :7 -q ... which shows that dpms is now disabled. But this doesn't disable the screen blanking, and the problem still occurs. Sometimes at 10 minutes, sometimes at 20. Or perhaps it's at 13 minutes or 18 minutes - it is impossible to audit this problem effectively. So perhaps the issue is with the screen blanking? I have tried setting the screen blanking to 100 seconds, which in theory should make the problem occur much more quickly. And sure enough the terminal failed after a couple of blankings. I now set the blanking to seconds and with dpms switched off... # xset -display :7 -dpms # xset -display :7 s blank # xset -display :7 s ... by my reckoning this should to all intents and purposes stop the blanking and power management. But it does seem counter-intuitive that the blanking could cause an issue of this type, unless this is a problem with xorg and rdesktop. Sure enough no screen blanking, but the rdesktop session hangs after about 15 minutes. So this issue is nothing whatsoever to do with power management. Has anyone else experienced random lock-ups with rdesktop? Any suggestions for debugging this problem? -- Chris Roberts +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Etch | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-1~40 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.5| | Kernel | 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 | +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Lenny | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-2 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.10 | | Kernel | 2.6.26-2-686 | +--+--+ -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
[Ltsp-discuss] R: ltsp works like citrix?
We use citrix (SP4), we are migrating to ltsp because the last ica client (needed by new citrix version) does not work with W9X and without ltsp, that provide boot from lan, we would have had to change 200 old pcs Emanuele -Messaggio originale- Da: Chris Roberts [mailto:c...@tridentgarages.co.uk] Inviato: mercoledì 29 aprile 2009 10.22 A: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net Oggetto: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp works like citrix? On Wednesday 29 Apr 2009, Mohammed Riswan wrote: please answer my quesion if anybody knows, is ltsp is works like a citrix metaframe? can we create an individual sessions same like citrix for all the users? We use metaframe and ltsp, so I should be able to answer. Once the users have logged in, it works just the same as metaframe, with each user have their own user account and session. They log in/log out etc all pretty similar to metaframe. There is no in-built method of shadowing users, but various open source applications may be installed to fulfill this need. Users can be logged off easily enough. The key difference is that with metaframe you need to have a client operating system. Okay, you might buy dedicated thin clients, but they still have to have an operating system - even if it's only Windows CE. You then connect from that client o/s to the metaframe server. With LTSP, the LTSP server provides the client operating system at boot time. Thus the client can literally be bare metal (I always disconnect the hard drives). Thus with LTSP you only have to maintain the server, and the single client operating system which resides in a chroot directory on the server. The other key difference with metaframe, is that by default, LTSP won't work across subnets, and in particular across low-bandwidth connections. But we get around this by installing FreeNX on the server, and connecting from remote fat clients using NoMachine NX Client. Hope that helps. -- Chris Roberts +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Etch | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-1~40 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.5| | Kernel | 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 | +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Lenny | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-2 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.10 | | Kernel | 2.6.26-2-686 | +--+--+ -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf_ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] R: small chroot environement
On Wednesday 29 Apr 2009, ebarde...@iris-group.it wrote: Following the installation manual I run ltsp-build-client and it create the chroot image automatically. There is another way? I miss to do something? I have to work inside this directory (/usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu) ? No, providing you're not installing xubuntu or ubuntu in the chroot, you're fine - my misunderstanding. Apologies. I would read the following: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#theory-booting In particular note that the client mounts the chroot over the network, using nbd for Ubuntu, nfs for Debian. It is not being loaded into RAM. On another tack, I understand that you can get better performance out of older clients by specifying: LDM_DIRECTX = True in the lts.conf. This does disable the encryption between ldm and the server, which may not be appropriate in your environment. -- Chris Roberts +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Etch | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-1~40 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.5| | Kernel | 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 | +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Lenny | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-2 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.10 | | Kernel | 2.6.26-2-686 | +--+--+ -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
[Ltsp-discuss] R: R: small chroot environement
Ok...i'll try LDM_DIRECTX now i'm formatting my server with xubuntu 8.04 because I think that is a little bit thin... in lts.conf I have putted this parameters: XSERVER=vesa X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 X_MODE_0=1024X768 SOUND=False NBD_SWAP=False LOCALDEV=False NETWORK_COMPRESSION=True are correct for my environment? Emanuele -Messaggio originale- Da: Chris Roberts [mailto:c...@tridentgarages.co.uk] Inviato: mercoledì 29 aprile 2009 12.08 A: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net Oggetto: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] R: small chroot environement On Wednesday 29 Apr 2009, ebarde...@iris-group.it wrote: Following the installation manual I run ltsp-build-client and it create the chroot image automatically. There is another way? I miss to do something? I have to work inside this directory (/usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu) ? No, providing you're not installing xubuntu or ubuntu in the chroot, you're fine - my misunderstanding. Apologies. I would read the following: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#theory-booting In particular note that the client mounts the chroot over the network, using nbd for Ubuntu, nfs for Debian. It is not being loaded into RAM. On another tack, I understand that you can get better performance out of older clients by specifying: LDM_DIRECTX = True in the lts.conf. This does disable the encryption between ldm and the server, which may not be appropriate in your environment. -- Chris Roberts +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Etch | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-1~40 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.5| | Kernel | 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 | +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Lenny | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-2 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.10 | | Kernel | 2.6.26-2-686 | +--+--+ -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf_ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] R: R: small chroot environement
On Wednesday 29 Apr 2009, ebarde...@iris-group.it wrote: now i'm formatting my server with xubuntu 8.04 because I think that is a little bit thin... in lts.conf I have putted this parameters: XSERVER=vesa X_MODE_0=1024X768 Only if your client needs them, and if it does then it would be best to make them specific to the client, by putting it in it's own section later on in lts.conf, e.g. [00:40:63:F6:95:70] XSERVER=vesa X_MODE_0=1024X768 Carrying on with your lts.conf... X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 Fine. SOUND=False Your choice, I tend to specify SOUND=False in the [default] section, but SOUND=True for each of the mac addresses on which I want sound. NBD_SWAP=False I've never used NBD_SWAP, but for low ram clients this seems counter-intuitive, I would have thought you would switch this ON rather than off. LOCALDEV=False As per SOUND, I specify FALSE in the [default] section, and switch on as required for each client. NETWORK_COMPRESSION=True Never seen this one before - anyone? I like to structure my lts.conf file like this: [default] X_COLOR_DEPTH= 16 LOCALDEV = False SOUND= False [monitor-dgm-l1931] X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 X_HORZSYNC = 64-80 X_VERTREFRESH= 60-65 [00:30:43:E6:94:50] # Example PC LIKE = monitor-dgm-l1931 SOUND= True LOCALDEV = True The LIKE command is infinitely useful, and you can have multiple LIKE statements for each mac address, so you could have a LIKE statement for the monitor, base, sound, etc. Helps to keep a neat lts.conf file. -- Chris Roberts +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Etch | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-1~40 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.5| | Kernel | 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 | +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Lenny | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-2 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.10 | | Kernel | 2.6.26-2-686 | +--+--+ -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
Gotta love it that Long Term Support. Trust me it will not be the last time you curse it. /rant On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 03:23, Peter Stein peterstei...@googlemail.com wrote: Works just fine with Jaunty. Unfortunately no backports - yeah means certainly a lot of work. -- Dan Maranville -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/sru-needs-you/ =) Dan Maranville wrote: Gotta love it that Long Term Support. Trust me it will not be the last time you curse it. /rant On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 03:23, Peter Stein peterstei...@googlemail.com wrote: Works just fine with Jaunty. Unfortunately no backports - yeah means certainly a lot of work. -- Dan Maranville -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] rdesktop lock ups
On Wednesday 29 Apr 2009, Chris Roberts wrote: So this issue is nothing whatsoever to do with power management. Has anyone else experienced random lock-ups with rdesktop? Any suggestions for debugging this problem? Bizarrely this issue turned out to be a routing problem, very occasionally the network was dropping packets, so that it would generally work fine for 10 or 20 minutes, but equally could fail at any time. It felt like a power management issue, because it always seemed to happen when the computer was idle and the screen was blanked. Anyway, thanks to Gadi and ogra in #ltsp for their time helping me with this. -- Chris Roberts +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Etch | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-1~40 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.5| | Kernel | 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 | +--+--+ | Distribution | Debian Lenny | | LTSP Version | 5.1.10-2 | | Windows Manager | KDE 3.5.10 | | Kernel | 2.6.26-2-686 | +--+--+ -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] rdesktop lock ups
So after reading through your thread I would ask if you found any documentation on how the routing should be setup. Specifically a best practice for LTSP environments. I have seen other problems with LTSP performance because we do not use an internal DNS, and ended up creating a large host file that we propagate to the Thin Client with a script and run on the server. However, in my four years experience of running thin clients I have never seen a network admin's guide to providing the proper foundation of services. I think there are unique situations with the combination of services that LTSP requires for educating admins before they get themselves into trouble. -- Job Cacka -Original Message- From: Chris Roberts [mailto:c...@tridentgarages.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:10 AM To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] rdesktop lock ups On Wednesday 29 Apr 2009, Chris Roberts wrote: So this issue is nothing whatsoever to do with power management. Has anyone else experienced random lock-ups with rdesktop? Any suggestions for debugging this problem? Bizarrely this issue turned out to be a routing problem, very occasionally the network was dropping packets, so that it would generally work fine for 10 or 20 minutes, but equally could fail at any time. It felt like a power management issue, because it always seemed to happen when the computer was idle and the screen was blanked. Anyway, thanks to Gadi and ogra in #ltsp for their time helping me with this. -- Chris Roberts -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:21:55PM -0400, Dan Maranville wrote: Gotta love it that Long Term Support. Trust me it will not be the last time you curse it. /rant I'm really unsure as to why Ubuntu gets all this hate directed against them because they don't backport new features from more current releases into older ones. As far as I know, LTSP current isn't being backported into either Fedora 3 or Debian Sarge. LTS means they fix the security and crasher bugs for an extended period of time. Period. Scott -- Scott L. Balneaves | Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art Systems Department | deeper than we ourselves possess. Legal Aid Manitoba | -- Gandalf [J.R.R. Tolkien, Lord of the Rings] -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
[Ltsp-discuss] Disable X dontzap
Just in case someone needs the same thing, to re-enable the Alt+Ctrl +Backspace shortcut in Jaunty I created /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen-session.d/XS96-disable-dontzap with the following line as contents: X_ARGS=$X_ARGS -retro It would be nice to have an lts.conf option for that... maybe X_DONTZAP=False ? Regards, Alkis -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Disable X dontzap
Alkis, X_ARGS, IIRC, *is* an lts.conf option. Alkis Georgopoulos wrote: Just in case someone needs the same thing, to re-enable the Alt+Ctrl +Backspace shortcut in Jaunty I created /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen-session.d/XS96-disable-dontzap with the following line as contents: X_ARGS=$X_ARGS -retro It would be nice to have an lts.conf option for that... maybe X_DONTZAP=False ? Regards, Alkis -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Jordan Erickson Owner, Logical Networking Solutions http://www.logicalnetworking.net 707-636-5678 Latest LNS Blogs - http://blog.logicalnetworking.net Closed-Circuit TV Ads May Be Watching You Back Using Linux considered criminal activity? Leaving computers on overnight = $2.8 billion a year -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Single user account and pam mount
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 09:26:40PM +0200, Marius Flage wrote: Jordan Erickson wrote: I would propose a temporary user of sorts that pulls from the skel/template you created, does a pam makehomedir or whatever it is, and removes it upon logout. This way, you have separate user accounts for each login, and changes can be wiped upon user logout. The immediate problem with this is how to keep control over the different usernames/passwords currently in use. Now it's easy just telling all students to use student/student to log in. If we have to inform them to use random usernames/passwords, then it'll quickly become a user administration nightmare. But maybe you meant some other way of creating the accounts..? It needs to be simple and predictable. if you set LDM_GUESTLOGIN=True in lts.conf, there will be a button to click on that will automatically login with the hostname of the thin client, which should default user/password based on the ip address to ltsp20, ltsp21, ... ltsp255 for most setups without DNS on the thin-client network. a few related configuration options should be described here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream that doesn't handle account and homedir creation, but at least gives you a simple and predictable user/passwd login. then you could experimental with some sort of skeleton home dir for users. the problem of course, is if there is user-specific data in the skeleton directory. good luck! live well, vagrant -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Disable X dontzap
Στις 29-04-2009, ημέρα Τετ, και ώρα 13:04 -0700, ο/η Jordan Erickson έγραψε: Alkis, X_ARGS, IIRC, *is* an lts.conf option. Yeah, Lns you made my day :) X_ARGS=-retro in lts.conf works fine :) -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
I'm really unsure as to why Ubuntu gets all this hate directed against them because they don't backport new features from more current releases into older ones. As far as I know, LTSP current isn't being backported into either Fedora 3 or Debian Sarge. LTS means they fix the security and crasher bugs for an extended period of time. Period. Scott It is because they recommend you install the latest non-lts to see if your problems are fixed. Period. -- Dan Maranville -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
...Or, as an alternative to installing the latest greatest, you could actually help backport these features into LTS. Community success requires community involvement. Period. Cheers, Jordan/Lns Dan Maranville wrote: I'm really unsure as to why Ubuntu gets all this hate directed against them because they don't backport new features from more current releases into older ones. As far as I know, LTSP current isn't being backported into either Fedora 3 or Debian Sarge. LTS means they fix the security and crasher bugs for an extended period of time. Period. Scott It is because they recommend you install the latest non-lts to see if your problems are fixed. Period. -- Jordan Erickson Owner, Logical Networking Solutions http://www.logicalnetworking.net 707-636-5678 Latest LNS Blogs - http://blog.logicalnetworking.net Closed-Circuit TV Ads May Be Watching You Back Using Linux considered criminal activity? Leaving computers on overnight = $2.8 billion a year -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
[Ltsp-discuss] ltsp backports
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 02:05:50PM -0500, Scott Balneaves wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:21:55PM -0400, Dan Maranville wrote: I'm really unsure as to why Ubuntu gets all this hate directed against them because they don't backport new features from more current releases into older ones. As far as I know, LTSP current isn't being backported into either Fedora 3 or Debian Sarge. well, there haven't been any official Debian backports of LTSP, but i've generally managed to maintain backports for the current Debian stable release for most of, if not the whole cycle of of stable releases. Since Debian Lenny (released in February), there's backported current upstream versions for ldm and ltspfs, and ltsp itself is only missing a few minor updates mostly not relevent to Debian. i only stopped making backports for Debian Etch when the next release (Lenny) went into freeze last summer. similar story for Debian Sarge, although most of the initial Debian LTSP5 implementation was actually mostly tested on sarge, though a version was never included as part of sarge. that said, Debian's support cycles (approximately 3-4 years) are usually a bit shorter than Ubuntu's LTS support cycles (3 for desktop, 5 for server), usually much longer than the regular Ubuntu support cycles (1.5 years). Debian's release cycle has been about 2-3 years, while Ubuntu's LTS release cycle seems to be about 1.5-2 years, and Ubuntu's regular release cycle is usually 6 months. i don't know other distro release/support cycles well enough to comment on those. so the desires or needs for a backport may be a little different, as different distros progress in different ways. live well, vagrant -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp backports
Vagrant Cascadian wrote: *snip* so the desires or needs for a backport may be a little different, as different distros progress in different ways. And most definitely they are different as user/environment upgrade schedules are always different. For instance, I don't dare run Jaunty (or even Intrepid) at my (production) sites, simply because things change too much with them. The stability I value in Ubuntu LTS releases is the fact that things DON'T change much, and when they do, the changes have been tested extensively because of the work required for updates to be pushed to them. That value is of utmost importance to me. We can have localapps, whiz-bang compiz TC support, etc etc. when they have all stood up to the test of time. Till then, I'll run Jaunty on my own EEEpc, home desktop and all my family friends' systems, report the bugs I find, and wait, hoping others will do the same. =) I'll also push and contribute for backports where I see necessary - but that's definitely not every new feature that comes out daily. -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
I am going to leave it with this: I didn't speak of LTSP in any negative way, I was simply making a statement about _MY_ experiences with the current LTS (bugs in this instance). Some are related to LTSP but not always, most are problems known about for greater than 1 year in mainline Ubuntu. If my comment about LTS releases offends you or pisses you off I don't know what to say. But, I am not sorry for saying it. If you want to continue this please feel free to email me directly and keep the list a little cleaner. -- Dan Maranville -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Single user account and pam mount
On Wednesday 29 April 2009 15:53:20 ltsp-discuss-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: I would propose a temporary user of sorts that pulls from the skel/template you created, does a pam makehomedir or whatever it is, and removes it upon logout. This way, you have separate user accounts for each login, and changes can be wiped upon user logout. The immediate problem with this is how to keep control over the different usernames/passwords currently in use. Now it's easy just telling all students to use student/student to log in. If we have to inform them to use random usernames/passwords, then it'll quickly become a user administration nightmare. But maybe you meant some other way of creating the accounts..? It needs to be simple and predictable. How about (and this is very easy to automate) every year or every term whatever Remove all learn-users Add a list that you create every period eg list jonny.c susy.q etc what ever scheme you choose Tag the comment field with #a tag that helps you manage them We do that for our customers. perl was a friend. Admin overhead is creation of a unique list periodically (my plebs can use nano easily) and a Create-script and you want a Reset-script. Object achieved without drama. Read and heed Scott's message Every user logs in as their name and with the password you choose in your scheme eg passwd per class per school whatever James -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] R: small chroot environement
On Wednesday 29 April 2009 15:53:20 ltsp-discuss-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: The hardware of my clients is very poor : PII 200 mhz + 64 mb. They works quite well, but during my tests i saw that booting time and performances are proportionally at dimension of chroot image (/opt/ltsp/images/i386.img). I would try to create a small chroot image to see if the clients works better, or do you think that's useless? To do this on xubuntu 9.04 I did: ltsp-build-client (this create the default image of 186mb taking packages from jaunty repo (xubuntu 9.04) ltsp-build-client --base /opt/ltsp_hardy --arch i386 --dist hardy (this create a image of 165mb taking packages from hardy repo (xubuntu 8.04) The image size won't affect the boot speed at all. Presumably you are using nbd, but even on the nfs versions you get what you need at-the-time, not everything-in-the-image Again I assert that the size of the image (150, 250 whatever) affects you not one tiny bit. James -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] how to mount external hard drives? + log problem? - LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 05:22:22PM -0400, Dan Maranville wrote: It is because they recommend you install the latest non-lts to see if your problems are fixed. Period. Well, that's a valid request to see if the issues been fixed in newer versions. Either: 1) It DOES work in newer versions, and there's the possibility of someone backporting the fix if time/resources permit, or 2) It DOESN'T work in the new release, and then we know it's just a general problem. Scott -- Scott L. Balneaves | The human race has one really effective weapon, Systems Department | and that is laughter. Legal Aid Manitoba | -- Mark Twain -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
