Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-24 Thread okwii David
Thanks Kyle for the rant! On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:52 PM, sanga collins sanga.coll...@gmail.comwrote: my home devices are always juniper ssg so not really worried about IPv6. My provider (Comcast) already configures new modems for residential and business customers with IPv6. Especially

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-24 Thread Benjamin Tayehanpour
Mobile Device space is really where the impact could be huge, but unless you are serving up web pages and hosting quake tournments from a tablet or smartphone I dont see why NAT will be a deal breaker. Fair enough. What about VoIP? Many, if not most, VoIP solutions require some NAT hole-punching

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-24 Thread sanga collins
Yes VOIP and NAT definitely do not play well, but majority of the modern SIP clients and VOIP phones handle quite easily these days. This is assuming the SIP server does have a public IP without NAT interfering. If you are however, genius enough to have an app the acts as a SIP server on your

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-24 Thread James S. K. Makumbi
Guys, Now that I have you ALL here :) Can you tell me about VOIP over the IXP? If datanet is offering free local data, then. From: lug-boun...@linux.or.ug [mailto:lug-boun...@linux.or.ug] On Behalf Of sanga collins Sent: 24 July 2013 18:03 To: Uganda Linux User Group Subject: Re: [LUG]

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-24 Thread Benjamin Tayehanpour
If you are however, genius enough to have an app the acts as a SIP server on your mobile device/tablet, I can see the need for public IP on that device. It's really not just about that. It's about independence, about being able to communicate client-to-client without having to rely on a server to

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-24 Thread Kyle Spencer
Great post. +1 On Jul 24, 2013 8:30 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour benja...@sandslott.org wrote: If you are however, genius enough to have an app the acts as a SIP server on your mobile device/tablet, I can see the need for public IP on that device. It's really not just about that. It's about

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-24 Thread billyn...@gmail.com
Benjamin, This is why I want to see native IPV6 deployment not NATV6 which will just bring back all the problems you have highlighted. Sanga as an alternative to DropBox did u try checking out Bitorrents new client-client app or OwnCloud? On 24 July 2013 19:55, Kyle Spencer k...@stormzero.com

[LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Otandeka Simon Peter
Food for thought.. http://www.iddsalim.com/blog/2013/07/08/3-reasons-why-silicon-semenya-kenya-will-never-match-silicon-valley-us/ P. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to:

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Kyle Spencer
Hi, This is going to be a bit of an off-topic angry rant, but I'll add my two cents here: I'm really sick of going to tech events and watching panels of fly-in's from the World Bank, established corporations, or whatever, tell us we need to think bigger or that we should look at Silicon Valley

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Peter Atkin
Hi Kyle Very good summary completely concur.. people forget that each situation (Time, Place and Resources) are often different so difference approaches are required, what works for one does not mean it will work for the other. I am also tired of experts that live in bubbles completely

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread sanga collins
I agree with Kyle's points mostly, I think you can get around not having a public IP by using Dynamic DNS type services, but in the long run it is not the most Ideal solution. Having that fat pipe of bandwidth is IMO the most crushing aspect. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Peter Atkin

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Benjamin Tayehanpour
No Sanga, you are thinking of not having static IPs. That can be alleviated with dynamic DNS services. Not having a *public* IP is something entirely different. I agree with everything Kyle says. The problem ultimately boils down to Uganda's not being a democracy. If the government operated under

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Mwirima Byaruhanga
sanga collins wrote thus on 7/23/13 9:26 PM: Hi Benjamin, I see what you mean. That actually is even worse. I must admit I am complete spoiled living where I live not having a public IP is unthinkable! I'm afraid the unthinkable may be upon you soon, get ready. The American IP address

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Kyle Spencer
ISPs could solve this problem by deploying IPv6. The problem is, even if they deploy IPv6, they may still NAT mobile devices because it keeps them in a position of control. On Jul 23, 2013 10:34 PM, Mwirima Byaruhanga e...@afrigeek.net wrote: sanga collins wrote thus on 7/23/13 9:26 PM: Hi

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Mwirima Byaruhanga
sanga collins wrote thus on 7/23/13 4:27 PM: I agree with Kyle's points mostly, I think you can get around not having a public IP by using Dynamic DNS type services, Only if your WAN interface has a unicast address, and this is sometimes not the case. eb