Thanks Kyle for the rant!
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:52 PM, sanga collins <[email protected]>wrote: > my home devices are always juniper ssg so not really worried about IPv6. > My provider (Comcast) already configures new modems for residential and > business customers with IPv6. Especially the TV set top boxes and DVRs. And > our Fiber/MetroE is also IPv6 with IPv4 legacy support. > > Mobile Device space is really where the impact could be huge, but unless > you are serving up web pages and hosting quake tournments from a tablet or > smartphone I dont see why NAT will be a deal breaker. > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ISPs could solve this problem by deploying IPv6. >> >> The problem is, even if they deploy IPv6, they may still NAT mobile >> devices because it keeps them in a position of control. >> On Jul 23, 2013 10:34 PM, "Mwirima Byaruhanga" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> sanga collins wrote thus on 7/23/13 9:26 PM: >>> > Hi Benjamin, I see what you mean. That actually is even worse. I >>> > must admit I am complete spoiled living where I live not having a >>> > public IP is unthinkable! >>> >>> I'm afraid the unthinkable may be upon you soon, get ready. >>> >>> The American IP address registry (ARIN) is soon depleting its IPv4 >>> address inventory. Your ISP will not be able to get any more IPv4 >>> addresses, but will continue growing customers I presume, hence, >>> more and more NAT and the possibility of losing that unicast IP >>> address on your gadget for a private address. >>> >>> Of course that's assuming that your ISP will not have implemented >>> IPv6, and even if they do, your gadget needs to support it. >>> >>> eb >>> >>> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour >>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > >>> > No Sanga, you are thinking of not having static IPs. That can be >>> > alleviated with dynamic DNS services. Not having a *public* IP >>> > is something entirely different. >>> > >>> > I agree with everything Kyle says. The problem ultimately boils >>> > down to Uganda's not being a democracy. If the government >>> > operated under threat of expulsion, they would have incentive >>> > actually to care for the individual citizen. As it stands now, >>> > the ISPs can do pretty much whatever they want as long as they >>> > make the government happy by paying homage and taxes. >>> > >>> > >>> > On 23 July 2013 15:27, sanga collins <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > >>> > I agree with Kyle's points mostly, I think you can get >>> > around not having a public IP by using Dynamic DNS type >>> > services, but in the long run it is not the most Ideal >>> > solution. Having that fat pipe of bandwidth is IMO the most >>> > crushing aspect. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Peter Atkin >>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Kyle____ >>> > >>> > __ __ >>> > >>> > Very good summary completely concur.. people forget that >>> > each situation (Time, Place and Resources) are often >>> > different so difference approaches are required, what >>> > works for one does not mean it will work for the other.____ >>> > >>> > __ __ >>> > >>> > I am also tired of experts that live in bubbles >>> > completely isolated from other bubble and the real >>> > world. ____ >>> > >>> > __ __ >>> > >>> > Kind Regards____ >>> > >>> > ____ >>> > >>> > Peter Atkin____ >>> > >>> > (C.T.O)____ >>> > >>> > cfts.co <http://cfts.co> (u) ltd.____ >>> > >>> > ____ >>> > >>> > Get I.T.Right ____ >>> > >>> > +256-772-700781 <tel:%2B256-772-700781> | Skype: >>> > peter2cfu____ >>> > >>> > www.cfts.co.ug <http://www.cfts.co/>| location details >>> > <http://www.cfts.co/contacts.html>| view my profile >>> > <http://ug.linkedin.com/in/peteratkin>____ >>> > >>> > __ __ >>> > >>> > *From:*[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > [mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Kyle >>> > Spencer >>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:38 PM >>> > *To:* Uganda Linux User Group >>> > *Subject:* Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa >>> > will never match the US Silicon Valley____ >>> > >>> > __ __ >>> > >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > This is going to be a bit of an off-topic angry rant, >>> > but I'll add my two cents here: >>> > >>> > I'm really sick of going to tech events and watching >>> > panels of fly-in's from the World Bank, established >>> > corporations, or whatever, tell us we need to "think >>> > bigger" or that we should look at Silicon Valley as some >>> > kind of model to emulate. >>> > >>> > In my opinion this notion is ridiculous, primarily >>> > because the technology we have access to today is >>> > fundamentally different than what Silicon Valley had in >>> > its heyday. It's functionality has been crippled to >>> > benefit incumbents and prevent disruptive technology: >>> > >>> > 1) Nobody has a public IP address. >>> > >>> > While we've bypassed the desktop revolution and jumped >>> > straight to smart-phones, Internet access is now sold by >>> > mobile operators who NAT everyone's connection. This >>> > prevents phones from receiving incoming connections from >>> > the outside world. This makes peer-to-peer networking >>> > nearly impossible and severely limits the potential >>> > functionality of mobile applications. >>> > >>> > As a result, application developers typically must >>> > purchase "cloud" services in order to relay data between >>> > their users. Control over the network has become >>> > centralized and established service providers have >>> > become gatekeepers. >>> > >>> > 2) Data-caps. >>> > >>> > Silicon Valley exploded when users moved from AOL, >>> > CompuServe, Prodigy, and other services -- which sold >>> > walled-garden access by the "minute" -- to flat-rate >>> > Internet plans sold by speed (e.g. dial-up, DSL, cable). >>> > >>> > Users did not have to make a cost decision every time >>> > they wanted to try out new (often higher bandwidth) >>> > services like multi-player gaming, Napster, Shoutcast, >>> > YouTube, MySpace, or whatever. Thus, new services >>> > frequently emerged, many exploded in popularity, and >>> > networks had a huge incentive to reinvest in their >>> networks. >>> > >>> > In the wondrous desktop-skipping mobile revolution of >>> > today, access is sold almost exclusively via data-capped >>> > bundles. Users need to make a cost decision every time >>> > they do anything on the Internet. Disruptive, often >>> > high-bandwidth services like YouTube are now an >>> > impossible proposition because users can't afford to use >>> > the service. Service providers no longer have as much >>> > incentive to reinvest in their networks. Application >>> > developers shuffle around small amounts of data between >>> > users and nothing more. >>> > >>> > In summary, expecting East Africa (or anywhere today) to >>> > emulate Silicon Valley is ridiculous. We can't be the >>> > same thing; we don't have the same tools. >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > Kyle Spencer >>> > >>> > ____ >>> > >>> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Otandeka Simon Peter >>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > wrote:____ >>> > >>> > __ __ >>> > >>> > Food for thought..____ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.iddsalim.com/blog/2013/07/08/3-reasons-why-silicon-semenya-kenya-will-never-match-silicon-valley-us/____ >>> > >>> > P. ____ >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>> > >>> > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails >>> > to: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > Mailing list archives: >>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>> > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>> > >>> > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by >>> > INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>> > >>> > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted >>> > them (including attachments if any). 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