[LUTE] Re: Apollo's lore?

2011-11-26 Thread David Tayler
Apollo's lore--lore here means teachings, or things that are taught, hence learnt--is simply poetry in this case, plus the usual layered meanings of Apollo and the Apollonian dichotomy. There is one variant in the text, which is Apollo's love but I believe that is a typo, and that

[LUTE] Re: Capirola!

2011-11-26 Thread David Tayler
Porca Vacca! I can't believe it!!! Oink! dt __ From: Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com To: Daniel F Heiman heiman.dan...@juno.com; lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tue, November 8, 2011 6:22:19 AM Subject:

[LUTE] Re: Strike the viol

2011-11-26 Thread Mark Probert
A new Purcell video from The Purcell Project, Strike the viol, arranged for Tenor, two violins and continuo. Just lovely, David. Excellent work! . mark To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Le Roy Dentice and Octave stringing

2011-11-26 Thread Martin Shepherd
Hi Martin, I agree with what you say about the change to thumb outside. I've been meaning to write an article about octave stringing for Lute News for a long time, with some more choice examples from the English repertoire. Thanks to selective quotation of Dowland from VLL, and long-held

[LUTE] Re: Le Roy Dentice and Octave stringing

2011-11-26 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Not relevant to the period of lute playing you're discussing, but you may be interested to know that the double strung gallichon/mandora (late 17th/18thC) generally had octaves on the 5th and 6th courses (sometimes on the 4th too) - even though they employed overwound strings!

[LUTE] Re: Le Roy Dentice and Octave stringing

2011-11-26 Thread Anthony Hind
Thank you, Martin (Eastwell), for this; indeed, in a previous mail I suggested something not unsimilar to what you are saying below (albeit your analysis is more complete). However, I imagined that both changes TI to TO and Bass + Octave to unisson (on certain bass courses) might

[LUTE] Re: Le Roy Dentice and Octave stringing

2011-11-26 Thread Edward Mast
Thank you Alan and Martin. Martin, I have been, and am still a bit confused by what you have written regarding Dowland and his stringing advice. If, as you quote, he stated in 1610 that one should use unison tuning on the 6th course, why would octave tuning on that course be recommended for

[LUTE] Re: Weird early chitarrone experiment?

2011-11-26 Thread heiman.dan...@juno.com
Pity that there does not appear to be a photo of the instrument on the website of the Kunsthistorisches Museum where it resides. Daniel -- Original Message -- From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com To: LUTELIST List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Weird early

[LUTE] Re: Weird early chitarrone experiment?

2011-11-26 Thread howard posner
On Nov 26, 2011, at 6:51 AM, heiman.dan...@juno.com wrote: Pity that there does not appear to be a photo of the instrument on the website of the Kunsthistorisches Museum where it resides. Maybe they think it's an embarrassment. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Le Roy Dentice and Octave stringing

2011-11-26 Thread Martin Shepherd
While recommending a unison 6th course, Dowland says that it had been the usual practice (especially in England) to use octaves, but says this practice is now (in 1610) left. This, together with the internal musical evidence (my examples from Cutting and Holborne) and Barley's 1596

[LUTE] Re: Weird early chitarrone experiment?

2011-11-26 Thread Martin Shepherd
I just find it amazing that we can actually connect a particular historical instrument with a text - in this case Piccinini tells us that he commissioned it, and when, and who made it. I think that alone makes it unique for us (and perhaps should make us a bit more accepting of other things

[LUTE] String material and inharmonicity

2011-11-26 Thread William Samson
Dear Collective Wisdom, Up until now I've mostly used nylon for my lute strings and it seems to be the case that nylon can't be used below the third course because fretted notes will not be true due to the material being too stiff. I have successfully used ordinary gut for a 4th

[LUTE] Re: String material and inharmonicity

2011-11-26 Thread Sauvage Valéry
Hi Bill, on my lute I have KF (Savarez) strings from 2 to 7 courses (and octave of the 8th), including basses, the only wounded I'm using is the bass of 8th. For the first I'm using nylon, as KF is really too thin. The KF for basses are harp strings I think (KFG ?), and the result is much better

[LUTE] Re: String material and inharmonicity

2011-11-26 Thread Daniel Winheld
Hello Bill- Here is an assessment of the new Nylgut I gave to a friend of mine off-list. I thing it is appropriate to your queries. For my friend, the comparison was to real gut, which he prefers. Oh yes- the strings. (new Nylgut) I am giving them a trial on a few instruments right now. They

[LUTE] Re: String material and inharmonicity

2011-11-26 Thread Roman Turovsky
Carbon on 4 - no problems. RT - Original Message - From: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 11:41 AM Subject: [LUTE] String material and inharmonicity Dear Collective Wisdom, Up until now I've mostly used nylon for

[LUTE] Re: String material and inharmonicity

2011-11-26 Thread Anthony Hind
William, all things being equal better harmonicity can either be achieved by a denser thinner string, or by a more flexible one. Carbon is relatively dense, and that is why many are using a Savarez 4th and 5th. On the other hand, as I said in a recent message, Aquilla is working on

[LUTE] Something old and something new - Conrad Paumann and Gilbert Isbin

2011-11-26 Thread Stuart Walsh
Paumann's 'Ich beger nit mer' from the Buxheimer Orgerlbuch. Paumann played the lute (and perhaps, fingerstyle) as well as the organ and - maybe - he played it in a similar way on both instruments. It fits a G lute well and only need five courses. Online German translators don't recognise

[LUTE] Re: Something old and something new - Conrad Paumann and Gilbert Isbin

2011-11-26 Thread stephen arndt
My guess, and it is only a guess, is that it would be ich begehre nicht(s) mehr in modern German, meaning I desire no(thing) more, I desire nothing else, or I have no further desires, or something of that sort. Matthias would probably be the most qualified person on our list to translate it.

[LUTE] Re: Something old and something new - Conrad Paumann and Gilbert Isbin

2011-11-26 Thread R. Mattes
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 22:26:34 +, Stuart Walsh wrote Paumann's 'Ich beger nit mer' from the Buxheimer Orgerlbuch. Paumann played the lute (and perhaps, fingerstyle) as well as the organ and - maybe - he played it in a similar way on both instruments. It fits a G lute well and only need

[LUTE] Re: Le Roy Dentice and Octave stringing

2011-11-26 Thread Edward Mast
Thank you for that explanation, Martin. Best, Ned On Nov 26, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: While recommending a unison 6th course, Dowland says that it had been the usual practice (especially in England) to use octaves, but says this practice is now (in 1610) left. This,

[LUTE] Re: Something old and something new - Conrad Paumann and Gilbert Isbin

2011-11-26 Thread Edward Mast
Lovely - thanks, Stuart. On Nov 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Paumann's 'Ich beger nit mer' from the Buxheimer Orgerlbuch. Paumann played the lute (and perhaps, fingerstyle) as well as the organ and - maybe - he played it in a similar way on both instruments. It fits a G lute

[LUTE] Something old and something new - Conrad Paumann and Gilbert Isbin

2011-11-26 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Stuart, I think Ich beger nit mer would be Ich begiere nicht mehr in modern German, meaning I long no more. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Stuart Walsh Sent: 26 November 2011 22:27 To:

[LUTE] Re: Something old and something new - Conrad Paumann and Gilbert Isbin

2011-11-26 Thread R. Mattes
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:07:13 -, Stewart McCoy wrote Dear Stuart, I think Ich beger nit mer would be Ich begiere nicht mehr in modern German, meaning I long no more. Just for the records: there's no such word as begieren - modern german verb is begehren (#8599; mhd. 'gêren'). Cheers,

[LUTE] Something old and something new - Conrad Paumann and Gilbert Isbin

2011-11-26 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Ralf, Thanks for correcting my mistake. I was mixing up the verb with the noun, die Begier (desire, longing). Best wishes, Stewart. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of R. Mattes Sent: 27 November 2011 00:12 To: Stewart

[LUTE] Re: Something old and something new - Conrad Paumann and Gilbert Isbin

2011-11-26 Thread corvo di bassetto
Dear Stewart, German knows all sorts of exceptions. Yet the regular noun is Begierde. I would translate Ich beger nit mer: I crave no more, as begehren is stronger than longing, which would be equivalent to Ich ersehne nicht mehr. Best wishes, danyel Am 27.11.2011 um 02:28 schrieb Stewart

[LUTE-BUILDER] Neck veneer inlay

2011-11-26 Thread Paul Daverman
I am wondering if anyone has any words of guidance concerning inlay on the veneer for the back of the lute neck. My hunch is that it wouldn't work well to do the inlay while the veneer is still flat. But I'm also not too sure of how you'd go about inlay on a curved surface. Anyone