[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

Does the inside joke have anything to do with the violist's right hand disappearing behind the lady's skirts??? She seems slightly enraptured, he looks amused. Leonard On 11/24/15, 8:19 AM, "Gary Boye" wrote: > Martyn, > There

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the painting technique looks pretty genuine to me. so do garment fashions. RT On 11/24/2015 2:22 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Definitely 17th century? __ From: [1]r.turov...@gmail.com Sent: 24/11/2015 18:56

[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

2 painters and 1 sculptor. RT On 11/24/2015 3:58 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Roman Where there any painters in the Sautscheck family? __ From: [1]r.turov...@gmail.com Sent: 24/11/2015 20:25 To: [2]Stuart

[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

Dear Stuart, No you're right. I cannot see how it could possibly be genuine. And I thought I'd been pretty clear in the article, but maybe my lightly ironic tone doesn't make it across the pond. Best wishes, David At 17:08 + 24/11/15, WALSH STUART wrote: On 24/11/2015 15:36, David

[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

Somebody with the intention and the skill and knowledge to create a fake 17th century Dutch master would surely have not included all the odd things that David points to. Could the painting be the equivalent of a sort of folly? -Original Message- From: "David Van Edwards"

[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

Are we sure the strings are actually broken? The viol player has the extra length of string tied up in a nice bundle. I do this on electric guitar: pull the string trough the tuning capstan almost all the way, then twist the extra up in a coil. This is very helpful when it breaks

[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

On 24/11/2015 15:36, David Van Edwards wrote: However I think the painting I discussed was simply copying the prop[s] from Eglon van der Neer's works! The physical impossibility of holding such a lute in such a position without grossly disturbing the diapason strings makes me

[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

The lute was exactly that - a symbol familial harmony, even in the hands of whores in Dutch paintings, where is was meant so - sarcastically. RT On 11/24/2015 9:38 AM, AJN wrote: There are paintings of the interiors of artists' studios that show props used in pictures: busts,

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That's my take. A 17th century blond joke. RT On 11/24/2015 1:47 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Somebody with the intention and the skill and knowledge to create a fake 17th century Dutch master would surely have not included all the odd things that David points to. Could the painting be the

[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

Perhaps somebody ordered this painting just to show, how some of his social enemies try to look like civilized, just to mock them. Or perhaps that couple did not pay properly to the painter for his work, and he decided to revenge. And maybe the couple even did not get the insult? Just a

[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

Definitely 17th century? -Original Message- From: "r.turov...@gmail.com" Sent: ‎24/‎11/‎2015 18:56 To: "Stuart Walsh" ; "David Van Edwards" Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Subject: [LUTE] Re:

[LUTE] Another lute picture?

Dear All, My Lute of the Month series has dwindled to lute of the Year these days! It's because I've mainly been writng them for the Lute Society's newsletter, Lute News, now it has a nice full colour cover. But here is the latest, as it were more public, example up on the web

[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

There are paintings of the interiors of artists' studios that show props used in pictures: busts, skulls, ornate chairs, drapes and sometimes (iirc) musical instruments. Such props are even listed in tax inventories, I understand. Art historians have traced some from painting to

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Interesting picture indeed David ! Thank you for sharing. Is it the fact that the young lady plays left-handed that fosters Martyn's ironical approavh to this nice painting ??? I hope not ! ;-) Best wishes to all, Jean-Marie Envoye depuis mon appareil Samsung

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Very interesting David. It may be simply a fashionable couple wanting to be portrayed performing but in fact unable to play a note! Perhaps the painter who, as you point out, might be thought to have known better was laughing up his sleeve... Or perhaps, and maybe more likely

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Dear Gary, I do agree: this is why I suggested that 'In short, the very act of posing for the picture was the statement rather than the playing of music'. regards, Martyn __ From: Gary Boye

[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

Great one! Reminds me of an old joke: "A saw a blond today in a red convertible, with the license plate that said "Blonds are not stupid!". The plate was upside down." RT On 11/24/2015 5:50 AM, David Van Edwards wrote: Dear All, My Lute of the Month series has dwindled to lute of the

[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

Oh. I couldn't see the broken strings. There is allegorical symbolism of broken strings, and Charlotte told me about an entire book devoted to the matter. I've often puzzled over the wonderful engraving of Ochsenkhun from his lute book. He has such a surprised look on his face:

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I think there is a certain goofball element to the pic, like someone today posing with the back of a guitar facing the viewer. I don't think the wear marks on the belly of the instrument are out of line, however. The one by the strings is close to the bridge, as instructions direct

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Also, regarding the wear marks: the contact points on modern lutes are darker than the rest of the top from accumulated oils and dirt. Those in the painting are lighter than the surrounding belly. Could the top have been varnished so that the marks are revealing bare wood? Chris

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Or could be the result of scraping the sounboard wood flush with the fingerboard after the top has been glued back following a repair work. It can happen when the top is not clamped properly. Paolo Paolo Busato lute-maker [1]www.busatolutes.com e-mail: