[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-02-03 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Since there were Ceteroni in that time period, and because of the fact that Monteverdi made clear his continuo colors (though this is a documentation, not a recommendation), I would opt for real Ceteroni. Since the colors of the Underworld are very different, I would rule out the "et cetera".

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-02-03 Thread howard posner
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Nancy Carlin > wrote: > > Several years back there was an interview with Peter Forrester in the LSA > Quarterly that included a picture of that type of cittern, which I believe is > also called for in some Monteverdi. When I was

[LUTE] Re: Capirola's ornaments

2018-02-03 Thread Dan Winheld
Martin, I've always ornamented all Renaissance lute music. (No reason in the world not to. It's what live musicians do.) Pretty much the way you do, too. And I would have played Capirola's music with ornaments even if he hadn't been so considerate and thorough as to supply them- of course

[LUTE] Re: Capirola's ornaments

2018-02-03 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Thank you Martin, I have often wondered what exactly is this ornament, and when to use it. However I still do not quite understand the part: "It means that you have to embellish the note with just one finger" and "while the second ornament (usually but not always on the first fret) is a lower

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book - Gautier Son adieu

2018-02-03 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
They Montmorency family JM > Le 3 févr. 2018 à 20:19, G. C. a écrit : > > I forgot, there is a lengthy passage in Mathew Spring's book about this > matter. And also interesting is, that there is a connection with lord > Herbert and Ennemond with the Mont...(?) family.

[LUTE] Capirola's ornaments

2018-02-03 Thread Martin Shepherd
Hi All, Just to let you know that (after a longish gap, sorry) the latest blog can be found in the usual place: http://luteshop.co.uk/blog/ I hope you find it interesting. Martin --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus To

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

2018-02-03 Thread Alain Veylit
Thank you Matteo for spotting those omissions. I added the missing prelude ( f.37v/2. ) and  Volt by Jacob (f86v/2.) as an erratum on the project page. I was unable to read the title of #242 from the facsimile I had. It seems to me that the other piece you mention "Pavan of the Composition/

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book - Gautier Son adieu

2018-02-03 Thread G. C.
I forgot, there is a lengthy passage in Mathew Spring's book about this matter. And also interesting is, that there is a connection with lord Herbert and Ennemond with the Mont...(?) family. G. [1]https://www.antiquestradegazette.com/news/2016/jacobean-miniature-

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book - Gautier Son adieu

2018-02-03 Thread Arthur Ness
A short after-thought. Isn't the paper in the Cherbury ms. from France? But he often fought as a merceary. Arthur Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: JarosÅaw Lipski To: lute Sent: Sat, Feb 3, 2018

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book - Gautier Son adieu

2018-02-03 Thread Jarosław Lipski
> You are quoting what Thurston Dart wrote in 1957. But Jean-Marie has > convincingly mentioned the letter which proved that lord Herbert was > involved in trying to get Jacques extradited back to France and > therefore "would not likely collect music by him". Of course, this is a > bit

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

2018-02-03 Thread Matteo Turri
Just found that the thesis of Julia Craig-McFeely also has the 3 additional pieces as in the "Catalogue" below - see [1]http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/thesis/App1c.pdf Matteo -- Forwarded message -- From: Matteo Turri <[2]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com> Date: 3

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

2018-02-03 Thread Matteo Turri
Interestingly, this references at [1]https://w1.bnu.fr/smt/sommaire.htm lists 245 pieces: CATALOGUE DES SOURCES MANUSCRITES EN TABLATURE Luth et théorbe c.1500-c.1800 Catalogue descriptif / A

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book - Gautier Son adieu

2018-02-03 Thread G. C.
Dear Jaroslaw, You are quoting what Thurston Dart wrote in 1957. But Jean-Marie has convincingly mentioned the letter which proved that lord Herbert was involved in trying to get Jacques extradited back to France and therefore "would not likely collect music by him". Of course, this

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book - Gautier Son adieu

2018-02-03 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Most probably Gauthier refers to Jacques Gaultier d’Angleterre. After killing his opponent in a duel Gaultier came to England in 1617. He was a member of King’s Musick beginning with 1619 until 1648. Although Lord Herbert traveled both to France and Rome he returned to London in 1617, so he had

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

2018-02-03 Thread G. C.
Track list from O'Dette's CD / Piece number Veylit's edition) 1. 112 2. 119 3. 127 4. 130 5. 121 6. 105 7. 199 8. 146 9. 143 10. 144 11. 196 12. 217 13. 209 14. 225 15. 227 16. 35 17. 39 18. 70