[LUTE] Re: Archlute strings

2008-07-01 Thread howard posner
On Jul 1, 2008, at 12:38 AM, LGS-Europe wrote: I don't fly much, but when I do I prefer an extra seat for the lute. This instrument in its case is just under 140cm, the other one over 155cm. Size matters in small planes and taxis. It certainly does. Toy planes are historically incorrect.

[LUTE] Re: very low pitch

2008-06-30 Thread howard posner
Tony Iommi picked up the guitar as a teenager, after being inspired by the likes of Hank Marvin and The Shadows. Just like Nigel North. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Decisions, decisions

2008-06-30 Thread howard posner
On Jun 30, 2008, at 4:14 PM, sterling price wrote: You just might find the left hand fingerings easier on the fingers than the ren-lute. But be sure your arthritic joints can handle the right-hand stretches. Imagine a few more courses on your nine-course. -- To get on or off this list

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-29 Thread howard posner
On Jun 29, 2008, at 6:54 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: This strikes me as the second most useless remark ever made about music, well ahead of the third-place opera in English makes about as much sense as baseball in Italian. (H.L. Mencken) You would reconsider the uselessness of it- if you ever

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread howard posner
Professor Harold Hill wrote: all this 'quibble' about how to play music is interesting but pointless. True enough. There's nothing more pointless than musicians who want to know what they're doing. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread howard posner
On Jun 28, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: As Ray Nurse said yesterday (and I know he was quoting somebody else) A quick web search will turn up attributions to Elvis Costello, Laurie Anderson, Frank Zappa, Robyn Hitchcock, Thelonius Monk, Miles Davis and (don't ask me why) Woody

[LUTE] Re: Meantone

2008-06-19 Thread howard posner
On Jun 19, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: A violin sonata by Georg Muffat modulates enharmonically from D major to Bb major. There goes meantone out the window. I have no idea what temperament Muffat liked, but those of us who keep our renaissance lutes in some sort of meantone

[LUTE] Re: Meantone

2008-06-18 Thread howard posner
On Jun 18, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Anyway, the bulk of historical evidence is clearly in favour of a more or less equal temperament when considering fretted instruments like lutes or viols, As far as I know, the historical evidence consists mostly of: 1) Actual

[LUTE] Re: John Donne

2008-06-16 Thread howard posner
Rob MacKillop wrote: What lute and voice settings are there of poems by John Donne (a long-time favourite poet of mine)? I'm also interested in settings for viols and voice or voices. Ferrabosco set The Expiration as So, so, leave off this last lamenting kisse (the seventh song in

[LUTE] Re: John Donne

2008-06-16 Thread howard posner
There's also: William Corkine: Break of Day (Second Booke of Ayres) John Hilton: A Hymn to God the Father And see: http://www.matthewwadsworth.com/Donne-info.htm -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: John Donne

2008-06-16 Thread howard posner
On Jun 16, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: Together with Marlow, Donne and Dowland shared the same female patron, Lucy, Countess of Bedford. It must have been an interesting night. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Palestrina's lute (was Musical Crimes etc)

2008-06-08 Thread howard posner
On Jun 8, 2008, at 3:03 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: I have a vague memory of hearing that Palestrina had a lute handy when composing. If you google palestrina lute mass into google (without the quotes) you should pull up a page of Jessie Ann Owens' The composer at work from Amazon that

[LUTE] Re: Palestrina's lute (was Musical Crimes etc)

2008-06-08 Thread howard posner
On Jun 8, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Stewart McCoy wrote: The Amazon site gives a lot of detail about Palestrina, and confirms that he used the lute while composing. Jessie Owens' book certainly looks a good read. I was mistaken in saying it was an Amazon site, BTW. It's Google Book Search. -- To

[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?

2008-06-07 Thread howard posner
On Jun 6, 2008, at 5:37 AM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: My experiences with ironing goose quill, at least a split quill, have not been good. Maybe you should try removing it from the goose first. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/Demi-filé

2008-06-05 Thread howard posner
You mean loaded gut is impossible? On Jun 5, 2008, at 12:00 PM, damian dlugolecki wrote: There is no way to change the specific weight or mass of a gut string by chemical means. If someone were to claim that there are ways to chemically change the gut to make it heavier, that would be

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/ Demi-filé

2008-06-05 Thread howard posner
On Jun 5, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: Loading gut is adding physical mass by adding a substance denser than gut, not chemically altering the gut itself. If I'm not mistaken, loading is essentially infusing, which would be process similar to dyeing. Perhaps I'm mistaken. --

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/ Demi-filé

2008-06-05 Thread howard posner
On Jun 5, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: I don't think you are mistaken; however, that still would not involve a chemical change of the gut material itself. Does dyeing? The question, if I am again unmistaken, was whether a process used for dyeing might incidentally increase

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/Demi-filé

2008-06-03 Thread howard posner
On Jun 3, 2008, at 6:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the lute player on the cover of Hoppy's 'Vieux Gaultier' CD (who's the artist?) plays an instument with the first and second courses red but also the BASS string only of the 7th course. All the other ones are pale. Why? Maybe as a

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/Demi-filé

2008-06-03 Thread howard posner
On Jun 3, 2008, at 6:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Makes perfect sense for the 7th course. ...but the top two? Those are probably the easiest two strings to find. Good point; I misread your first post. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings

2008-06-02 Thread howard posner
On Jun 2, 2008, at 2:06 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: How do do we (ie you) know, without prejudging the issue, that 1) the actual range of sizes of surviving instruments is much larger This implies you are able to identify double re-entrant instruments from single (not to mention

[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings

2008-06-01 Thread howard posner
). Domestic music making, especially with lutes, might well have not reflected such a significant and discrete variation --- On Sun, 25/5/08, howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings To: LUTELIST List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

[LUTE] Re: heorbo sizes; theorbo definitions

2008-06-01 Thread howard posner
On Jun 1, 2008, at 5:58 PM, David Tayler wrote: Perhaps the answer, as far as theorbos go, is to have a new definition of theorbo. What's the question, exactly? Slim chance that everyone will agree on the definition, but perhaps a collective attempt is the way to go. I propose the

[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings

2008-05-25 Thread howard posner
On May 25, 2008, at 12:46 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Very good mt dear Howard - but really not at all. I very much welcomed your informed contributions as testing the envelope of knowledge by citing early sources and organological data rather than assertions based simply on personal

[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings

2008-05-24 Thread howard posner
On May 24, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: I note with interest that Arto's calculator allows us to work out the stringing for a 10m theorbo - what shall we say for the fingerboard strings, only 5m? Anything shorter than 3 meters is a toy theorbo anyway. -- To get on or off

[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings

2008-05-24 Thread howard posner
On May 24, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Gernot Hilger wrote: Don't say that too loudly. You'll fall prey to Stephen Barber's wrath. Ask Martyn! I'm far more likely to fall prey to Martyn's wrath. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: knots

2008-05-22 Thread howard posner
On May 22, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Peter Nightingale wrote: Am I inviting trouble if I attempt Ed's barrel/blood knot with gut? My experience with using leader is that gut is more likely than nylon to break at the knot eventually, nylon more likely to slip. Neither problem is serious and you

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi Concerto as lute solo

2008-05-15 Thread howard posner
On May 15, 2008, at 9:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, is it known, in which pitch Vivaldi's orchestra was using? The short answer is no. To answer the question, we'd have to be sure where he was when he wrote it (he toured around a great deal) and assume he intended the pitch

[LUTE] Re: theorbo in Spain?

2008-05-11 Thread howard posner
On May 1, 2008, at 6:41 AM, Manolo Laguillo wrote: In the DICCIONARIO DE INSTRUMENTOS MUSICALES, Barcelona 2001, under 'tiorba', the author of it, Ramon Andres, after mentioning an inventar of possesions of Felipe II, the king of Spain, where two theorbos figure, Are we really talking about

[LUTE] Re: Kind of explanatiom?

2008-05-04 Thread howard posner
On May 3, 2008, at 10:11 AM, The Other wrote: Admittedly, I don't follow the news as closely as I should. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: gnu piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread howard posner
On May 1, 2008, at 9:50 AM, Mark Wheeler wrote: To play the devil's advocate.. I doubt if music for the average 21st century teenager is any less important than it was in 15??. I don't think they would see it as merely an extra. Ron's point is that everyone in some levels of

[LUTE] Re: help request

2008-04-30 Thread howard posner
On Apr 29, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: A friend of mine is wring a short article on the state of affairs in contemporary composition for lutes/citterns, and he asked me to assist in gathering the information. I don't know whether the planned new lute composition index by Lynda

[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month

2008-04-30 Thread howard posner
On Apr 30, 2008, at 7:12 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: When singing part music, a singer only had one part to read, and did not have the luxury of scanning the complete score to see where he or she could add bits here or there. Neither does the first oboe player in an orchestra playing Handel

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Kirnberger on lutes and temperament

2008-04-27 Thread howard posner
On Apr 27, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Dale Young wrote: It was, however, the time when the best music was written for it, ever. 1779? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Mille Ducas

2008-04-19 Thread howard posner
On Apr 19, 2008, at 2:02 AM, Peter Martin wrote: I don't know who the SCA are, There's your problem. Had you known you were dealing with the Society for Creative Anachronism, you'd have known pretty much what you needed to know. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Reportage (was Re: Aarrrgghhhh!!!)

2008-04-18 Thread howard posner
On Apr 17, 2008, at 8:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED], apparently in all seriousness, wrote: And I defy you to come up with one honest, factual example of Rush Limbaugh actually lying versus him merely presenting an informed opinion that differs from yours. For outright falsehoods, try:

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: continuo playing in Germany

2008-04-17 Thread howard posner
On Apr 17, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: Re the German Lute Society's Fundamenta der Lauten-Musique und Zugleich der Composition, Rob wrote: Is there any possibility that this will be translated into English? It comes with an English booklet. Here are some excerpts of a review

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Fundamenta der Lauten-Musique

2008-04-17 Thread howard posner
After I quoted parts of my review of Fundamenta der Lauten-Musique und Zugleich der Composition someone asked if the shortcomings of the English fascicle were such that I'd recommend against buying it. The answer is a qualified no. It's a valuable book, offered for a mere 15 Euros, and

[LUTE] OT: Reportage (was Re: Aarrrgghhhh!!!)

2008-04-17 Thread howard posner
On Apr 17, 2008, at 6:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim wrote: Fact-checking takes time, and editors must be paid, so accurate reporting is time- and labor-intensive. Today's blogosphere, which rewards unschooled right-wing loudmouths who spew half-truths and worse, has no

[LUTE] Less OT: Reportage

2008-04-17 Thread howard posner
A propos of the Snopes Urban legend web site, I meant to mention that you can find a debunking of a truly idiotic story (a column in the Houston Chronicle) about Itzhak Perlman playing an entire concerto on three strings at: http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/perlman.asp To get on or

[LUTE] Re: Aarrrgghhhh!!!

2008-04-17 Thread howard posner
On Apr 17, 2008, at 1:26 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: I was going to write to him and the guy who wrote the article, but thought better of it. We reap what we sow. It's not the first time I've had quotation remarks around comments I never made. Seems to be the way reporters work. Nothing to be

[LUTE] Re: Aarrrgghhhh!!!

2008-04-16 Thread howard posner
On Apr 16, 2008, at 5:07 PM, David Rastall wrote: There's more garbage in that one short article than you get on our local tip in a year. Agreed. I love the bit about these long-necked lutes called continuos. Click on the continuos link. It will take you to page with nothing about

[LUTE] Re: Pavana

2008-04-13 Thread howard posner
This particular piece is a version of a well-known tune called La Gamba, which in many sources is called a galliard. If you play it as galliard, the walking steps of the duple pavan fit perfectly. The same is true of the triple-time pavan in Milan's El Maestro. There was a tradition of

[LUTE] Re: Hurel

2008-04-12 Thread howard posner
Tony is talking about a modern computer-typeset edition of the Hurel Ms. On Apr 12, 2008, at 12:47 PM, LGS-Europe wrote: Dear Tony I have the 1996 Minkoff facsimile. In its colofon it says it is printed with the permission of the Piermont Morgan Library, New York, the owner of the ms. It

[LUTE] Re: Fingering question

2008-03-30 Thread howard posner
On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Arthur Ness wrote: Where did Richafort find it? In a registered letter from Henry VIII. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Fingering question

2008-03-30 Thread howard posner
On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Arthur Ness wrote: Unless you have some urge to talk about Leonardo da Vinci's wandering beard. I just acquired such an urge, at least to the extent of understanding the reference. What are we talking about? -- To get on or off this list see list information

[LUTE] Re: Reentrant newbie questions

2008-03-25 Thread howard posner
On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:28 AM, William Brohinsky wrote: I seek advice and help: On a student's budget, is there a source for scale and chord studies, the basics that would make the relations of the strings make more sense to someone who has been linear-all-his-life? Nigel North's book

[LUTE] Hurel download

2008-03-25 Thread howard posner
On Mar 25, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Peter Martin wrote: I guess this is the online Hurel facsimile that you were referring to. but can you give any guidance on how to open it? I am getting tied up in an unholy tangle of e-mules without much success Use a different browser? Otherwise I

[LUTE] Re: All open

2008-03-25 Thread howard posner
On Mar 25, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Stewart McCoy wrote: The strangest chord I have ever seen was at the start of The Creation by a baroque composer - I forget which. To represent chaos, the first chord had the numbers 7 6 5 4 3 2, or possibly 8 7 6 5 4 3 2. Can't go wrong, really. Les

[LUTE] Re: Capos

2008-03-24 Thread howard posner
On Mar 24, 2008, at 7:18 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: Modern ones use elastic or a kind of spring mechanism Not all. I have an earlier version of this one: http://www.activemusician.com/item--MC.14FD? ref=brovchn=BIZovtac=CMPovcpn=Accessoriesovcrn=Dunlop+Professional +Guitar+Capo+%2D+Flat

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov as a circus musician

2008-03-23 Thread howard posner
The bearded percussionist is Pedro Estevan. On Mar 23, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Sean Smith wrote: Btw, is that Lee Santana playing percussion? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Dowland-sighting

2008-03-21 Thread howard posner
On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Arne Keller wrote: Especially the bass saxophone player is good. It's a bass clarinet, but indeed sensitively played. I like the singer too. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: live lute performances recorded with a zoom h2

2008-03-17 Thread howard posner
On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:55 PM, igor . wrote: diego ( i hope you are not italian ) is there any recorded tiorbino ? Lee Santana and Wolfgang Katschner play two Castaldi theorbo/tiorbino duets on Feast of San Rocco Venice 1608 (Sony s2k 66254) Vincent Dumestre and Massimo Moscardo play four

[LUTE] Re: Goldberg Prize

2008-03-15 Thread howard posner
On Mar 15, 2008, at 5:55 AM, Benjamin Narvey wrote: The fact that a generalist early music magazine chose my submission bodes well for us, in that it seems a kind of litmus test showing the interest given the lute from civilian non-pluckers. Or perhaps yours was just far and away the

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: More about Hor che Tempo (Merula)

2008-03-05 Thread howard posner
On Mar 5, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Thomas Tallant wrote: Hor che Tempo is a lullaby, thus the droning quality of most of continuo part. There is a shift in tonality and mood at the end that is tricky. Overall, it's a deceptive piece: It's long and difficult for the singer (technically and

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Letter to the Editor

2008-03-03 Thread howard posner
On Mar 3, 2008, at 7:27 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: How much did lute players learn about music (not just lute playing) in the Renaissance and Baroque periods? They learned what other musicians learned, and were educated in the same ways. In the renaissance, they'd learn singing, the

[LUTE] Re: true amateurs

2008-02-26 Thread howard posner
I've clicked on this link using Safari and Netscape and all I've gotten is an in-depth knowledge of Air India fares. Any suggestions? There's a Hamburg-Rebekka-II-08.mp3 that looks something like a link, but it does nothing. Am I missing something, or is this a Mac thing? On Feb 26, 2008,

[LUTE] Re: true amateurs

2008-02-26 Thread howard posner
For Anthony and others with the same problem, this link worked for me. On Feb 26, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Mathias R=F6sel wrote: Here's another place where I I've posted it: http://de.share.geocities.com/mathiasroesel/Hamburg-Rebekka-II-08.mp3 Hope that helps. -- To get on or off this list see

[LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers

2008-02-14 Thread howard posner
On Feb 14, 2008, at 1:15 AM, Peter Jones-RR wrote: We talked about Barbara Strozzi and Francesca Caccini - does anyone have any other suggestions? If you want to expand to solo motets, there's Isabella Leonarda (1620-1704). I suppose your partner is familiar with Barbara Garvey

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-13 Thread howard posner
On Feb 13, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Edward Martin wrote: Generally, the lute in mid to later 17th century France was the d minor tuning. The top string was usually at f. For a length of 68 cm, generally, a gut treble can go to f at a=415. If you exceed 68 cm, the standard for a probably

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-13 Thread howard posner
On Feb 13, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Edward Martin wrote: Yes, the French seem to have played at a lower standard. Well, let's not be unkind... Even Hoppy Smith's Vieux Gaultier recording was at 392. I didn't know Hoppy was =06French. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Signor Tiorba

2008-02-12 Thread howard posner
because then you have the book on your own computer. (If you have the space: it's nearly 49megs.) The book is volume V of the 1911 Grove's, which contains T-Z and the appendix. The entries on Vivaldi and Telemann say much about the 19th century attitude toward the 18th century.

[LUTE] Re: Weiss Vid

2008-02-11 Thread howard posner
Blows that theory... Maybe the Weiss squad was just unusually vigilant. On Feb 11, 2008, at 1:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. My YouTube submission just had the bit about This is the Introduzzione by Weiss... -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Weiss Vid

2008-02-11 Thread howard posner
On Feb 11, 2008, at 11:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (YouTube wouldn't take it!) Just curious: Was the sentence I guess I should have friggin' checked the shot when I moved the camera closer! part of what you sent to YouTube? -- To get on or off this list see

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? last gasp

2008-02-06 Thread howard posner
Martyn Hodgson wrote: I now see from your mention of my guitar stringing email that you seem to equate 'information' solely with figures whereas I also include other things such as tunings, examples of solo music, etc which you do not count as information - we'll bear this in mind.

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-06 Thread howard posner
Monica Hall wrote: I was tempted to point out early on in this discussion that skips of a 7th and 9th in scale passages (known as campanellas) Campanellas are not necessarily skips of 7ths and 9ths. That's not how they're defined. They are passages of notes that ring over other notes

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-06 Thread howard posner
Campanellas are not necessarily skips of 7ths and 9ths. That's not how they're defined. I didn't say that they are. What I said was skips of a 7th and 9th in scale passages (known as campanellas) are commonplace in baroque guitar music. It is the scale passages that are known as

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-06 Thread howard posner
On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Rob Lute wrote: Don't believe everything you read on the lute net. Now you tell me! Well, you didn't ask... -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-06 Thread howard posner
On Feb 6, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Monica Hall wrote: Campanellas are a particular kind of scale passage in which each note of the scale is played on a different string so that the notes overlap creating a bell like effect. Yes, I think we got the definition right on the third try. In that

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-04 Thread howard posner
On Feb 4, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Roland Hayes wrote: I seem to remember an archlute piece (Doni ms.) that does not use a chanterelle. To me this implies that the first course was problematic at times at least (a la french 11 c. pieces w/o chanterelle) and may have been replaced with a string

[LUTE] Re: Vuestros ojos

2008-02-02 Thread howard posner
On Feb 2, 2008, at 7:14 AM, Daniel F Heiman wrote: Only 800 views in over 5 months??? This performance is outstanding and deserves to be much better known: Indeed, but the camera movement is pretty violent, and those inclined toward motion sickness might want to listen with closed eyes, or

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-02-02 Thread howard posner
Martyn Hodgson wrote: In subsequent messages I gave more information (you must have missed it): - how such small instruments were strung (just top course an octave down or at a much higher nominal pitch eg D), - early written evidence of theorbo sizes, - examples of solo music for

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-02-02 Thread howard posner
I have made the point before that we would expect an instrument designed to be played at AF6 to have strings about 83% the length of an instrument designed to be played at A=390. If so, all other things being equal, you'd expect that a 76cm instrument designed for AF5 to be tuned the same

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-02-01 Thread howard posner
On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Well, in that case we should level the same charges against Hoppy Smith, who both keeps country time and alters the performing material. RT Yes, we should. SAM Has anyone, ever? RT Oh! Oh! Over here! I have! I have! Right on

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-02-01 Thread howard posner
On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:44 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Not really what I wrote, but... No; as I said, I was giving more information than you did. Perhaps I made assumptions as to the general level of knowledge. In particular I took it as read that nobody believed that A or G instruments with

[LUTE] Re: G Theorbo or movie prop?

2008-02-01 Thread howard posner
On Feb 1, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Sean Smith wrote: The movie itself didn't sync up because the actors didn't play the instruments we heard. I confess I watched most of the movie with my eyes closed. True, the on-camera playing would have looked more realistic had they used the Muppets, who

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread howard posner
Martyn Hodgson wrote: I've already very clearly explained how small theorboes (ie up to low 80s) were tuned (and even given sources for tablature) and generally really can't be bothered to continually repeat myself. Let me see if I can summarize then: There is no historical information

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread howard posner
On Jan 31, 2008, at 9:56 AM, Jerzy Zak wrote: I'm interested how one manages with the bass notes below the _d_ on the 6th course of the instrument tuned in 'd'. This is more or less one third of the statistical bass notes in an everage part to play (depending of course on period and

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread howard posner
On Jan 31, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Jerzy Zak wrote: Hm..., how many of you are playing continuo on a theorbo in 'd', if it's so obvoius? I'm not sure what the it in your question is. When Ensemble Chanterelle consisted of Sally Sanford, Cathy Liddell and Kevin Mason, their basic setup was

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo stringing

2008-01-30 Thread howard posner
On Jan 30, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Stewart McCoy wrote: I can string it 6/8, 7/7, or 8/6. I used to have it 7/7, but a broken string made me change to eight short and six long, and I've stayed that way ever since. Even though I could have both a low F and a stopped low F# available, I rarely

[LUTE] Re: Brescianello (was) Re: mandora/gallichon music

2008-01-30 Thread howard posner
On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Arthur Ness wrote: Surely examples in Beethoven are the Battle Symphony, or as he himself admitted the Amenda string quartet. There's the famous story of someone telling Beethoven that everyone was playing his Septet, and Beethoven responding that he wished

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G?

2008-01-28 Thread howard posner
OK, gang: inquiring minds want to know. Is there any historical source that correlates the size of a theorbo with pitch, or tuning, or stringing (single/double courses, single/ double re-entrant)? On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:44 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: I'm merely pointing out that his advice

[LUTE] Forlorne Hope (was Karamazov)

2008-01-25 Thread howard posner
Well, maybe... On Jan 25, 2008, at 5:47 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: I have been told, I hope reliably, that, if, at the time of Dowland, you wanted to attack an army of soldiers armed with muskets, you would first send a small group of soldiers ahead to draw their fire. Before the enemy

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...

2008-01-24 Thread howard posner
I find it noisy and gimmicky; a lot of look-at-me that distracts from the flow of a masterpiece. But that's a matter of taste, I suppose, as is tolerance for the slop whenever he plays sixteenth notes. But if he doesn't like the way Dowland ended the piece, he should play another piece

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...

2008-01-24 Thread howard posner
Are you addressing moi, David? Your remarks follow mine, but they don't have much to do with them. On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:05 AM, David Rastall wrote: I'm sure there's a lot of lute music that's inconsequential enough that it's not a great sin to tamper with it, but Forlorne Hope isn't in

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...

2008-01-24 Thread howard posner
On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Ray Brohinsky wrote: I suppose playing only two notes of the last chord (and getting one of them wrong) I'm not following this reference. It sounds like you're describing my playing, but I don't think you've ever heard me. is a tremendouser sin than just

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-24 Thread howard posner
On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Dante Ferrara wrote: My, my. We are an overheated lot tonight! Not at all. It's midday here, and since it's the middle of one of those notoriously brutal Los Angeles winters, I'm hardly overheated. As none of us has ever met Dowland, we'll never know whether

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-24 Thread howard posner
Mark Wheeler wrote: You are absolutely right, I personally have no problem with him changing the last chord, I also would not do it Indeed... but if he wants to why not. Here's one reason why not: suppose I started this post this way: Mark Wheeler wrote: You are absolutely right, I

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-24 Thread howard posner
On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:20 PM, David Rastall wrote: Here's another idea to throw into the mix: if one is not capable of self-expression, how can one ever do justice to a work of such genius as Forlorn Hope? Hey, I am perfectly capable of self-expression, but I'd need extra fingers on my left

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-24 Thread howard posner
On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:53 PM, David Rastall wrote: No, no, you misunderstand me. I wasn't trying to insult you, Ah, but it's you who misunderstands me. I didn't think you were trying to insult me, or commenting about me. I was just pointing out that self-expression without competence

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-24 Thread howard posner
On Jan 24, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Paul Kieffer wrote: i have no problem, in this case, with the last chord at all. i think that edin made this choice for his own artistic reasons that are in his head. i think it would be disrespectul to dowland only if edin made this choice to make the

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G?

2008-01-16 Thread howard posner
On Jan 15, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Rob wrote: so why do people choose to tune to G? Is it purely because they already think 'in G', or is there another reason? G tuning (with the second course at lute pitch) seems to have been common in England. Mace wrote that the theorbo was just a big lute

[LUTE] airs with lute in d minor tuning

2008-01-14 Thread howard posner
On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:45 AM, damian dlugolecki wrote: I should have been more clear that I was interested more to know why publication of lute songs in France suddenly cease when the d minor tuning emerges. It's curious don't you think? All those volumes by Ballard and then nothing,

[LUTE] Re: RH on the bridge

2008-01-09 Thread howard posner
On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Daniel Winheld wrote: And if I might add further to the Collective Confusion we have the words of Ernst Gottlieb Baron: -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: RH on the bridge

2008-01-09 Thread howard posner
And if I might add further to the Collective Confusion we have the words of Ernst Gottlieb Baron: As to the question of where to strike the strings of the lute so that the tone will be powerful enough, it will serve to know that this must be in the center of the space between the rose and

[LUTE] Re: Finery Filth...

2008-01-04 Thread howard posner
On Jan 4, 2008, at 5:37 AM, Ron Fletcher wrote: He has recently discovered a book of 'bawdy drinking-songs' written by Henry Purcell, a composer we would not readily associate with this type of music. Of course we would. Purcell is known for his bawdy catches, they've been performed

[LUTE] Re: Finery Filth...

2008-01-04 Thread howard posner
On Jan 4, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Christopher Stetson wrote: Hey, let's not perpetuate the Victorian myth that the Puritans didn't like sex, Robert Adams, my favorite professor at UCLA (he was editor of the 17th century portion of the Norton Anthology of English Literature) noted that

[LUTE] Re: Finery Filth...

2008-01-04 Thread howard posner
He said it in class. He never finished the sentence, and I'm sure never planned to, knowing from long experience where the laughs would come. On Jan 4, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Stuart LeBlanc wrote: Could I trouble you to provide the remainder of the quote (beyond the ellipsis)? Or a citation.

[LUTE] Re: metal contraption/RH on the bridge?

2008-01-01 Thread howard posner
On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Anthony Hind wrote: and an engraving by Jan Lievens of a two-headed lute player; and this certainly is an official portrait of Jacques Gaultier. More likely Zaphod Beeblebrox. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Doubling The Parts?

2007-12-23 Thread howard posner
What I mean is: when performing that in an ensemble, what's the point of the lute doubling one of the other parts? Projection in a large performance space may have been an issue; it could have been a way of creating a super-lute. spaces. Haydn's piano trios often have a similar texture,

[LUTE] Re: Personal Awesomeness Index

2007-12-19 Thread howard posner
You call it a Picasso guitar. From a review at http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=27442 Certainly the use of the Picasso guitar for The Sound of Water is an even more obvious display of the multi-dimensional musical mind of Metheny. The forty-eight string instrument seemed less

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