I wonder what the layout of the upper head of this lute might be?
[1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/icon/party-1.gif
Artist Jacopo Vignale, early 17th Century.
Bill
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Dear Bill,
I assume one of these.
http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/93.tif
Sixtus Rauwolf Augsburg 1599 now in Copenhagen No. 93
This is the sole survivor of this type that Molenaer made famous. But
your painting has the lower strings offset in in a strange, rather
excessive, manner. Maybe a case
David, the strings are running alongside the extended neck in stead of passing
over it.
So the second pegbox has to be off-axle.
With Bill I wonder.
Lex
Op 4 feb 2013, om 16:07 heeft David Van Edwards het volgende geschreven:
Dear Bill,
I assume one of these.
Do consider that the painter might have used a prop or even an imaginary
instrument.
RT
On 2/4/2013 10:16 AM, Lex van Sante wrote:
David, the strings are running alongside the extended neck in stead of passing
over it.
So the second pegbox has to be off-axle.
With Bill I wonder.
Lex
On 04/02/2013 5:54 AM, William Samson wrote:
I wonder what the layout of the upper head of this lute might be?
[1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/icon/party-1.gif
Artist Jacopo Vignale, early 17th Century.
The painting raises another question for me: lute straps. I've seen
Dear Stephen,
No, rare as hens teeth! A little while ago I put together a page
about their apparent lack of use here:
http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/straps.htm
I must add this new picture to the collection.
Best wishes,
DAvid
At 07:32 -0800 4/2/13, Stephen Fryer wrote:
On 04/02/2013 5:54 AM,
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 15:07
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Lute painting
Dear Bill,
I assume one of these.
[1]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/93.tif
Sixtus Rauwolf Augsburg 1599 now in Copenhagen No. 93
This is the sole survivor of this type that Molenaer made
: Monday, 4 February 2013, 17:41
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute painting
Hi David and Roman,
Yes - The Rauwolf/Molinaer type what what first occurred to me, but
the
basses wouldn't be offset in that case. Another oddity is the very
narrow, parallel-sided neck which wouldn't
, hitherto unknown
lute type.
Best regards,
Bill
From: David Van Edwards da...@vanedwards.co.uk
To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 15:07
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Lute painting
Dear
don't look particularly other-worldly.
Great fun, this speculation!
Bill
From: David Van Edwards da...@vanedwards.co.uk
To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 17:54
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute painting
Dear
Perhaps:
http://www.lutevoice.com/luteiconography/SlideShow_assets/SlideShow.html?lang=en
?
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From: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Mon, Feb 4, 2013 8:56 am
Subject: [LUTE] Lute painting
I wonder what the layout
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Mon, Feb 4, 2013 1:53 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute painting
Hi David,
Looks like it's in the National Gallery of Ireland.
[1]http://www.nationalgallery.ie/en/aboutus/Images_and_Licensing/Print_
Sales/Music%20and%20Dance/Saint%20Cecilia.aspx
Looking
: Lute painting
I'll try again:
[1]http://www.lutevoice.com/luteiconography/Page%204.html
Got to the painting by J.G. Platzer; an apparently non-offset theorbo
neck extension.
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To: David Van Edwards [3]da
to the painting by J.G. Platzer; an apparently non-offset
theorbo neck extension.
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From: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk
To: David Van Edwards da...@vanedwards.co.uk
Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Mon, Feb 4, 2013 1:53 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute painting
Hi
in the
Platzer theorbo isn't bent back like the one in the Vignale painting.
Bill
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To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 19:47
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute painting
I'll try again:
[1]http://www.lutevoice.com
On the Wikipedia-page there is a painting of a woman with a lute. It's
by Orazio Gentileschi (1563-1639). On the Wikipedia page it doesn't
give this attribution, but says it represents Francesca Caccini.
Anybody knows where this information comes from? In a recent biography
I read (Cusick. Chicago
Does anybody knows this painting:
[1]http://www.harmoniamundi.com/#/albums?view=playlistsid=1258
I found this on O'Dette's cd playing Kapsperger. Harmonia Mundi changed
the album front cover... I was curious about the instrument and the
music that the lutenist is pointing to.
I'd really like to hear what an art critic would say. It seems
amazing to me that someone who could paint faces and other detail so
well could utterly screw up a lute.
I notice the fellow is playing off of the right side of his fingers too.
On Nov 6, 2005, at 2:43 AM, David Van Edwards
No, you wouldn't.
RT
I'd really like to hear what an art critic would say. It seems
amazing to me that someone who could paint faces and other detail so
well could utterly screw up a lute.
I notice the fellow is playing off of the right side of his fingers too.
On Nov 6, 2005, at
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From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: David Van Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:38 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: french baroque lute painting
I'd really like to hear what an art critic would say. It seems
amazing to me that someone who could paint faces
Dear Donatella et al,
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Donatella Galletti wrote:
Anyway, I can't understand why a master would have risked his reputation
with such a mistake in the lute neck.
Perhaps he is just sitting on the cloud of painters heaven and smiling
with a wide mouth, while reading us
May I enlarge that smallest answer a bit...
What an art critic has to say is uninteresting; it's better to ask a
painter educated in the Old School: he/she would know what to answer.
Saludos,
Manolo Laguillo
Roman Turovsky wrote:
No, you wouldn't.
RT
I'd really like to hear what an art
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From: Arto Wikla [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Donatella Galletti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: french baroque lute painting
Dear Donatella et al,
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Donatella Galletti wrote
--- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... hardly any
charango.
genre coming on! ... look out!
i disagree with you about the validity of hockney's
theory. he makes a very convincing case, i think, for
the use of lens and prisms - particularly when
analyzing the intricate patterns
At 8:45 PM -0500 5/11/05, Roman Turovsky wrote:
albrecht durer used a lute to demonstrate a drawing
devise he made from a frame bisected with equally
spaced, horizontal and lateral wires. by looking
through the wire grid the artist could accurately
gauge the lute's difficult
hi all,
I was just looking at the picture on the latest Barto-Weiss CD showing a
luteplayer with a french baroque lute. Looks quite normal until you look more
careful. Two interesting things:
1. There are 6 red strings indicating loaded gut for strings where normally
normal gut would be
Dear Taco,
The picture is an anonymous French School painting in Hamburg
Kunsthalle and was featured on the front cover of Early Music
magazine in October 1982. The whole picture makes it clear that it's
mostly a perspective problem, since the bridge also is on at an
impossible [and opposite]
glean from
examining it as a real Lute.
Vance Wood.
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To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: [LUTE] french baroque lute painting
Dear Taco,
The picture is an anonymous French School
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: [LUTE] french baroque lute painting
Dear Taco,
The picture is an anonymous French School painting in Hamburg
Kunsthalle and was featured on the front cover of Early Music
magazine in October 1982. The whole picture makes it clear that it's
Dear David,
thanks for making he painting available.
it is quite interesting that instruments in general and lutes and
violins in particular tend to be somewhat distorted even in paintings
of better masters.
My son, who is 18, is working very hard to master drawing and
painting. He is
albrecht durer used a lute to demonstrate a drawing
devise he made from a frame bisected with equally
spaced, horizontal and lateral wires. by looking
through the wire grid the artist could accurately
gauge the lute's difficult perspective.
lutes also feature heavily in david hockney's theory
albrecht durer used a lute to demonstrate a drawing
devise he made from a frame bisected with equally
spaced, horizontal and lateral wires. by looking
through the wire grid the artist could accurately
gauge the lute's difficult perspective.
Which is no indication that Duerer used it himself,
Oh yes! VERY tastefull and decent!
Am Fre, 2004-01-30 um 12.14 schrieb Christopher Schaub:
I love the very tasteful frame.
--- Arne Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear all,
there is a strange old portrait of a left-handed
lute player up for auction at:
Hi all
On Friday 30 January 2004 15:03, Roman Turovsky wrote:
I am suspicious. Looks too much like Arto Wikla.
there is a strange old portrait of a left-handed
lute player up for auction at:
http://www.stores.ebay.com/id=16216871ssPageName=L2
Well, I don't know what to think... ;)
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Subject: RE: Lute-painting on eBay
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:50:42 +0100
Dear all,
there is a strange old portrait of a left-handed
lute player up for auction at:
http://www.stores.ebay.com/id=16216871ssPageName=L2
Amused
I consider this painting on Ebay is just another piece of evidence to demonstrate that
left-handed players DID exist and play even the 17th century.
Jean-Marie Poirier (another 20th century left-hander) ;-)))
(By the way it could be fun to know how many of us play the other way round, just to
Yuck! Boy, I wouldn't bid on that one. Maybe the frame is 17th
century, but I doubt that the painting is. I think that a 17th
century artist would have had a better idea of what a lute looked
like. How about early 20th century? Could the lute be one of the
wandervogel lute-guitars?
Tim
At 18:23 30-01-2004 +0100, jmpoirier2 wrote:
I consider this painting on Ebay is just another piece of evidence to
demonstrate that left-handed players DID exist and play even the 17th century.
Jean-Marie Poirier (another 20th century left-hander) ;-)))
(By the way it could be fun to know how
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