[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-29 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
Absent time travel, it is hard to say what they actually did with the left hand. Just because no one had written this up doesn't mean they didn't do it! --Sarge On 4/29/2020 08:10, Ralf Mattes wrote: Am Mittwoch, 29. April 2020 16:48 CEST, Guilherme Barroso schrieb: Thanks a lot

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-29 Thread Tristan von Neumann
If it works, it's allowed. Sometimes when I am in a good mood and don't think much about the fingering, seemingly impossible things happen. (Hard to recreate though). When I'm just listening and not trying to finger everything consciously, holding the most important lines often makes other

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-29 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Mittwoch, 29. April 2020 16:48 CEST, Guilherme Barroso schrieb: >Thanks a lot Martin. >Incredible these left hand fingerings that he proposes. Those wouldn't all to unusual to modern jazz guitar players. It's probably more strange that lute players often insist on using a

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-29 Thread Guilherme Barroso
Thanks a lot Martin. Incredible these left hand fingerings that he proposes. Em qua., 29 de abr. de 2020 Ã s 14:29, Martin Shepherd <[1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk> escreveu: Yes, there are several chords which require using a finger (any finger) to cover two or more

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-29 Thread yuval . dvoran
oh, that's great!!! Thank you very much for the work you did! Am 29.04.2020 14:24 schrieb Martin Shepherd: Yes, there are several chords which require using a finger (any finger) to cover two or more courses, and Waissel even gives us fingerings which involve using the second finger to hold to

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-29 Thread Martin Shepherd
Yes, there are several chords which require using a finger (any finger) to cover two or more courses, and Waissel even gives us fingerings which involve using the second finger to hold to top two courses, in a context where we would use a barré.  See my blog:

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-29 Thread Guilherme Barroso
; To: [5]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de <[6]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de> > Cc: LuteList <[7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; > [8]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu > <[9]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: About

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-28 Thread Tristan von Neumann
: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:15 PM To: yuval.dvo...@posteo.de Cc: LuteList ; lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations Yes, indeed. For me, it makes more and more sense to view these intabulations as a way to show

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-28 Thread Ron Andrico
-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations Yes, indeed. For me, it makes more and more sense to view these intabulations as a way to show the whole vocal piece and not something to be performed exactly as written. About the Barrés with any other

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-28 Thread Ron Andrico
-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations Yes, indeed. For me, it makes more and more sense to view these intabulations as a way to show the whole vocal piece and not something to be performed exactly as written. About the Barrés with any other

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-28 Thread Alain Veylit
It is very interesting to compare the Vincenzo Galilei intabulations in Il Fronimo to the music he published elsewhere particularly in his manuscript collection. The music in Il Fronimo is didactic -- and often awkward because of too many voices -- and in the MS collection it is

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-28 Thread Guilherme Barroso
Yes, indeed. For me, it makes more and more sense to view these intabulations as a way to show the whole vocal piece and not something to be performed exactly as written. About the Barrés with any other finger then the first. Has anyone seen a historical source discuss this?

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-28 Thread Guilherme Barroso
Sure. Here it is: [1]https://we.tl/t-cKblbeN4wz Em ter., 28 de abr. de 2020 Ã s 22:40, Jurgen Frenz <[2]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> escreveu: most unfortunately this forum's service provided doesn't allow photo attachments. Can you upload the example elsewhere and

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-28 Thread yuval . dvoran
This is really quite an extreme example! But maybe with a different technique it would be possible e.g. to play the first chord? Sometimes, I have the impression that they used also Barrés with the second or third finger, which would (theoretically) make it possible to play the first chord.

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-28 Thread Jurgen Frenz
most unfortunately this forum's service provided doesn't allow photo attachments. Can you upload the example elsewhere and post the link to it here? That would be great. Thanks Jurgen ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:25 PM, Guilherme Barroso wrote: >

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-28 Thread Guilherme Barroso
--0c0ca105a45ecdc0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Yuval, Thanks a lot for your answer. I have a 7c course 60cm lute and it does not get much easier at some places. Of course with your lute, even worse. But there are some

[LUTE] Re: About vocal intabulations

2020-04-28 Thread yuval . dvoran
Dear Guilherme, it's interesting what Philippe writes about Il Fronimo, it would be nice to talk with him about all this stuff. I met him some weeks ago, and he's the only guy I know who isn't lutenist at all and can read all kind of tablature fluently - quite crazy! To respond to your