[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-10-12 Thread tom
From: Mayes, Joseph ma...@rowan.edu Subject:RE: [LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments Well...as long as you used authentic 16th Century hair-ties I just went with my gut feeling ... :) Tom Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-10-11 Thread Mayes, Joseph
: Monica Hall; Gary R. Boye; Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments Hello All, and thanks for this discussion. I have an 8 course Renaissance lute which I recently used to play and record a piece a whole step higher. Instead of arduously fingered transposing, I strapped

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-10-11 Thread Christopher Wilke
Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Fri, 10/11/13, t...@heartistrymusic.com t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments To: R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de, Dan Winheld dwinh

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-10-11 Thread Chris Barker
...@heartistrymusic.com Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:08 PM To: R. Mattes; Dan Winheld Cc: Monica Hall; Gary R. Boye; Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments Hello All, and thanks for this discussion. I have an 8 course Renaissance lute which I recently used to play

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-10-10 Thread tom
as well. All the best, Tom From: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net Subject:[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments Another good point- the only lute for which I built my own capo (pain in the butt piece of fussy work) was a 72 cm SL Division bass lute that worked very

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-26 Thread Ron Andrico
, 25 Sep 2013 17:04:17 -0700 To: davidvanooi...@gmail.com CC: Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: dwinh...@lmi.net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments Oh yes, Joe Pass hitting an open string would instantly have the whole crowd snoring. And don't ask what would

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-26 Thread David van Ooijen
Van Eps effectively transferred his style to electric but he invented a damper attached to the peghead and that barely touched the strings just beyond the business end of the nut. This device cancelled out those nasty open-string overtones on electrified guitars. He played

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Eighteenth century 'English' guittars had this sort of thing as did, I believe, some similar French instruments from this period. Wire strung of course. MH __ From: Stephen Kenyon s...@jacaranda-music.com To:

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Davide Rebuffa
As far Ias I know the only document is by Theorist Gio. Battista Doni in his Annotazioni sopra il compendio de' generi de' Modi della Musica,( Roma 1640) but it is not related to the lute. just 2 pages before the Discorso Quinto on the violino Diarmonico and the Tiorba a tre manichi

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Monica Hall
There is a passage in Bermudo which seems to refer to the use of some sort of device to raise the strings of the vihuela a semitone or a tone. It is in Book 2, Chapter 36 f.30. It is referred to as a panezuelo which literally seems to mean a handkerchief but there is some doubt as to

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Dan Winheld
Monica, Stephen, et al- I also remember the English (tenative?) translation of the Bermudo panezuelo- seems like it would have to be some sort of movable/removable nut, stopping the strings from below as opposed to our modern capos; which presumably would not have worked too well without

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Monica Hall
discovered what other people thought of his suggestion. Monica - Original Message - From: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 8:34 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments Monica, Stephen, et al- I also

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Gary R. Boye
was in the periodical Guitar and Lute, no. 8, Jamuary 1979. I have never discovered what other people thought of his suggestion. Monica - Original Message - From: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 8:34 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Capo use on early

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread R. Mattes
and Lute, no. 8, Jamuary 1979. I have never discovered what other people thought of his suggestion. Monica - Original Message - From: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 8:34 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Capo use

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Monica Hall
PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments Monica: Interesting; but wouldn't that throw off the fretting (i.e., the frets would be placed for the wrong overall length of the string)? It would sound awful up the neck, unless you began moving all of the frets around . . . Gary

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 25/09/13 3:34 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: Polar opposite to Jazz electric guitarists, who seemed to me to avoid open strings as much as possible. The same is true of gamba players, who avoid open strings because of their different tone. Geoff -- Geoff Gaherty Foxmead Observatory Coldwater,

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread David van Ooijen
On 25 September 2013 23:43, Geoff Gaherty [1]ge...@gaherty.ca wrote: On 25/09/13 3:34 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: Polar opposite to Jazz electric guitarists, who seemed to me to avoid open strings as much as possible. Joe Pass in one of his video lessons gives the advice to

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread R. Mattes
:13 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments Monica: Interesting; but wouldn't that throw off the fretting (i.e., the frets would be placed for the wrong overall length of the string)? It would sound awful up the neck, unless you began moving all of the frets around

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread R. Mattes
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:43:10 -0400, Geoff Gaherty wrote On 25/09/13 3:34 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: Polar opposite to Jazz electric guitarists, who seemed to me to avoid open strings as much as possible. The same is true of gamba players, who avoid open strings because of their different tone.

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread R. Mattes
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:50:01 +0200, David van Ooijen wrote On 25 September 2013 23:43, Geoff Gaherty [1]ge...@gaherty.ca wrote: On 25/09/13 3:34 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: Polar opposite to Jazz electric guitarists, who seemed to me to avoid open strings as much as possible.

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 25/09/13 7:20 PM, R. Mattes wrote: Yes, I always try to avid open bass strings ... esp. on theorbo. Sorry, couldn't resist;-) That's the difference between a bowed string and a plucked string. We do everything we can to sustain our plucked notes! Geoff -- Geoff Gaherty Foxmead

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Dan Winheld
Oh yes, Joe Pass hitting an open string would instantly have the whole crowd snoring. And don't ask what would happen if Django or Jimi Hendrix did such a crazy stunt! Dan On 9/25/2013 2:50 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: On 25 September 2013 23:43, Geoff Gaherty [1]ge...@gaherty.ca wrote:

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread R. Mattes
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:54:38 -0400, Geoff Gaherty wrote On 25/09/13 7:20 PM, R. Mattes wrote: Yes, I always try to avid open bass strings ... esp. on theorbo. Sorry, couldn't resist;-) That's the difference between a bowed string and a plucked string. Well, that was partly my question:

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Dan Winheld
Another good point- the only lute for which I built my own capo (pain in the butt piece of fussy work) was a 72 cm SL Division bass lute that worked very well as an E lute (a-415 or 440) with a generous 10 fret neck, and narrow-ish sloping shoulders at the neck-body joint. But, in order to