with unisons throughout and a double first? We're very
>> conservative (with a small 'c') when it comes to pushing the envelope.
>> I wonder if there was any recognised difference between how lutes and
>> vihuelas were strung in a given place at the time. Nowada
ture - Northern Renaissance Instruments)
in the basses. It certainly worked very well, but sounded 'darker'
than a lute with octave stringing in the basses.
Bill
From: wikla
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 20:51
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double
, 20 November 2011, 21:29
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks for the comments. On those instruments, we have octaves only at
the 6th, and on one instrument, also at the 5th. Those you-tubes are
from a performance in Gijon, Spain , this summer. I ac
Milano on a unison strung 6c lute.
Bill
From: Edward Martin
To: William Samson ; "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 18:31
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks for the reference, Bill. There have been new discoveries
since the time the artic
gt;seem to
>>have ended up as the most successful configurations at the
time,
>>there's no need to explore anything else.
> >
> > Bill
> >
>>PS Oh yes - and octave stringing works out cheaper too :
to templates which are in
> some ways questionable.
> I'd love to hear Milan, say, played on an octave strung vihuela, or
> Milano on a unison strung 6c lute.
> Bill
> From: Edward Martin
> To: William Samson ; "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
>
> Sent: Sunda
: Edward Martin
To: William Samson ; "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 18:31
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks for the reference, Bill. There have been new discoveries
since the time the article was written, where we now cannot
ung 6c lute.
>Bill
>From: Edward Martin
>To: William Samson ; "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
>
>Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 18:31
>Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
>Thanks for the reference, Bill. There have been new disco
played on an octave strung vihuela, or
Milano on a unison strung 6c lute.
Bill
From: Edward Martin
To: William Samson ; "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 18:31
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks for the refe
seem to
>have ended up as the most successful configurations at the time,
>there's no need to explore anything else.
>
>Bill
>
>PS Oh yes - and octave stringing works out cheaper too :o)
> From: Daniel Winheld
> To: William Samson
>Cc: "l
inheld
To: William Samson
Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 17:05
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
>> " I seem to remember that lutes with a double chanterelle were
usually strung in unisons."
Mimmo P
e basses.
> Bill
> From: wikla
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 20:51
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
> Thanks to all for the most interesting answers!
> I actually just ordered a 6 courser, model Venere (the
: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
To: "Lute List"
Date: Saturday, 19 November, 2011, 18:45
Hi Arto and All,
I suggest a trawl through the iconography, counting pegs as well as
strings. I have seen at least a couple of 6c lutes with double first -
sorry the
ments)
in the basses. It certainly worked very well, but sounded 'darker'
than a lute with octave stringing in the basses.
Bill
From: wikla
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 20:51
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks
arp, plus some viols, and perhaps Orey and Norey have
recorder/flutes? Ben a bit since I read it, but winter is a-comin'
in...
-Original Message- From: Sean Smith
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:23 PM
To: lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Carav
Rats... That's all... Just rats... Another one peed upon.
Garry
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From: Edward Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 5:40 PM
To: Garry Warber ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
The depiction in the Carav
Thoren has a harp, plus some viols, and perhaps Orey and Norey have
recorder/flutes? Ben a bit since I read it, but winter is a-comin' in...
-Original Message-
From: Sean Smith
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:23 PM
To: lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course
Garry Warber
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 20:45
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
My favorite painting of all time... To my surprise, I've heard the
lute player referred to as a boy. Is that correct? I've always
fan
vember 19, 2011 2:23 PM
To: wikla ; [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
And another (6c this time!) from Caravaggio
[1][3]http://www.hermitageshop.org/store/images/large/0003150A4_3_LRG.j
pg
Bill
From: wikla <[4]wi...@cs.h
ouble 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks to all for the most interesting answers!
I actually just ordered a 6 courser, model Venere (the original, the
model,
was a 7 courser, I suppose?) from Lauri Niskanen, the guy who made my
new
11 courser. And I ordered an option to d
ise, I've heard the
>lute player referred to as a boy. Is that correct? I've always
>fancied "her" as female... :-)
>Garry
>
>-Original Message- From: William Samson
>Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:23 PM
>To: wikla ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
ute
> player referred to as a boy. Is that correct? I've always fancied "her" as
> female... :-)
> Garry
>
> -Original Message- From: William Samson
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:23 PM
> To: wikla ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: [LUTE
Arto-
Bill got it- that's the one.
http://www.hermitageshop.org/store/images/large/0003150A4_3_LRG.jpg
"Double firsts seem not to be popular these days, presumably because they are a
little difficult to play on (I speak from experience) and possibly also because
they imply a lower pitch th
Thanks to all for the most interesting answers!
I actually just ordered a 6 courser, model Venere (the original, the model,
was a 7 courser, I suppose?) from Lauri Niskanen, the guy who made my new
11 courser. And I ordered an option to double chanterelle - just one extra
peg, just 3 grooves and
There's no answer to that . . .
From: Garry Warber
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 20:45
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
My favorite painting of all time... To my surprise, I've heard the
lute player referred t
PM
To: wikla ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
And another (6c this time!) from Caravaggio
[1]http://www.hermitageshop.org/store/images/large/0003150A4_3_LRG.jpg
Bill
From: wikla
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 16:10
Subjec
And another (6c this time!) from Caravaggio
[1]http://www.hermitageshop.org/store/images/large/0003150A4_3_LRG.jpg
Bill
From: wikla
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 16:10
Subject: [LUTE] Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Dear collective wisdom,
Hi Arto,
If you'll settle for 7-course, here's a link to a Caravaggio Cupid with
a 7-course lute with 14 pegs:
[1]http://www.ownapainting.com/images/Caravaggio-Cupid.jpg
Bill
From: wikla
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 16:10
Subject: [LUTE]
f the
historically-correct players either. :-)
Garry
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Winheld
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:43 PM
To: Garry Warber
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Yes, Dowland and Robinson as well advocated double f
Hi Arto,
This doesn't answer your question but I had a bass lute built w/ a
double chanterelle and found that it creates a slightly different
paradigm. We're so used to the single chanterelle "singing" that it
just becomes normal to our ears. The double, otoh, sounds like an
extension of
Hi Arto and All,
I suggest a trawl through the iconography, counting pegs as well as
strings. I have seen at least a couple of 6c lutes with double first -
sorry the references elude me for the moment. But it was very common to
have a double first in the late 16th/17th C, as evidenced by sur
Yes, Dowland and Robinson as well advocated double firsts. Even Thomas Mace, at
a time when the typical 11 course lute had a single 2nd as well as a single
first. But Arto was asking about the 6 course lute. Can't recall written
sources addressing this off the top of my head, but pretty sure I'v
Arto,
I seem to remember mention, perhaps in my Poultan method, that it was done
by Dowland and others sometimes... I plan to make myself a lute when I can,
and I plan on all-unisons including top course , so I must not have dreamed
it up, hopefully.
Garry
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