[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-23 Thread Ed Durbrow
Good question. I’m thinking about rearranging the strings on my 7 course to try it. I’m just not getting the volume I want from the first string. My 7 course was originally an 8 course so I have two extra pegs. Maybe after this Sunday’s concert, I’ll give it a try. > Dear Collective wisdom,

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread mathias.roe...@t-online.de
As I said, I do. Good experience. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: spiffys84121 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles) Datum: 22.01.2018, 16:43

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread Antonio Corona
<abcor...@yahoo.com> Cc: G. C. <kalei...@gmail.com>; 'Lute List' <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, 22 January 2018, 7:53 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles) Contemporary Mexican folk song "De la arena nace el agua" !!! "La vihuela&q

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread Martin Shepherd
Sorry I’ve come to late to the discussion, but just a few things: The iconography of 6c lutes usually (not always) shows a single first course. Surviving late 16th/early 17th C lutes from the Venere workshop (and others) usually have a double first - i.e. all lutes from treble to bass. Sellas

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread John Mardinly
And my Turkish Saz, or Baglama, has THREE strings for the top course! A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters Francisco Goya On Jan 22, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier <[1]fournier...@gmail.com> wrote: Interesting to note however that

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread spiffys84121
com> Date: 1/22/18 8:22 AM (GMT-07:00) To: Antonio Corona <abcor...@yahoo.com> Cc: Edward Martin <edvihuel...@gmail.com>, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles) Interesting to note however that the ancestor of the european lute, i

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
Interesting to note however that the ancestor of the european lute, ie the arabic Oud, has had double chanterelles all throughout history... in fact its the lowest string which sometimes is single. Bruno 2018-01-22 3:29 GMT-05:00 Antonio Corona <[1]abcor...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread Tristan von Neumann
re are plenty more references and, since there seems to be a general agreement among the writers of the time, who am I to contradict them? Best wishes, Antonio __ From: G. C. <kalei...@gmail.com> To

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
irgin Mary "la prima en la vihuela del universo" >> (Arte de conocer y agradar a Jesus, Orihuela, 1631). It would be rather >> heretic to consider the possibility of two virgins ... >> There are plenty more references and, since there seems to be a general >> ag

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread r . turovsky
There are plenty more references and, since there seems to be a general > agreement among the writers of the time, who am I to contradict them? > Best wishes, > Antonio > __ > > From: G. C. <kalei.

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread G. C.
Si Antonio, very convincing. So the extra peg was perhaps an apendage from an even earlier time, 14th-15th c.? Funny that Sor /Aguado should have reinvented the DCC for their Guitars! G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread Antonio Corona
__ From: G. C. <kalei...@gmail.com> To: Antonio Corona <abcor...@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, 22 January 2018, 4:23 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles) Hola Antonio, wouldn't the fact that there are

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread Antonio Corona
du> Sent: Monday, 22 January 2018, 2:40 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles) I think, that one should be careful not to generalize. Like today (where some even play with singles on ALL courses), there were different uses also in the olden days. And look

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread G. C.
PS. I mean, this must have come and went through the ages. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread G. C.
I think, that one should be careful not to generalize. Like today (where some even play with singles on ALL courses), there were different uses also in the olden days. And look at the later 6 string guitar, which even had double strung chanterelles for a period in time. G. On

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-22 Thread Antonio Corona
Dear Edward, Despite what the pegs on the vihuelas suggest, I've found plenty of evidence that it was strung with a single first. We need to review our ideas on the subject of vihuela stringing ... Best wishes Antonio

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-21 Thread mathias.roe...@t-online.de
Ad 1. It didn't. At least, not in Italy. May I add that I play a copy of a Sellas liuto attiorbato with double first. And it's sheer joy as it tends t to kinda "sing". Ad 2. My guess is that players tended to prefer the single first because it strikes the ear when the first course