>Arne Keller
>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:53:58 -0700
>
>MO wrote:
>
> >So let me make an offer you cannot refuse: stop your anti-guitar and
> >anti-MO campaign in this forum, and you will never hear from me
> >again. Not you and not your cyber body-guard Turovsky. Do I make myself
> >clear?
>
>You do, v
MO wrote:
>So let me make an offer you cannot refuse: stop your anti-guitar and
>anti-MO campaign in this forum, and you will never hear from me
>again. Not you and not your cyber body-guard Turovsky. Do I make myself
clear?
You do, very clear indeed.
How about making yourself clear away?
Wit
At 09:12 PM 8/15/2005, I wrote:
At 02:45 PM 8/15/2005, Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am not going to be drawn into a debate about Madame Robert
>Sidney-Pratten, the famous guitar virtuosa of the Victorian era. I
>do not understand why Matanya considers this a proper topic for this
>
At 02:45 PM 8/15/2005, Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am not going to be drawn into a debate about Madame Robert
>Sidney-Pratten, the famous guitar virtuosa of the Victorian era. I
>do not understand why Matanya considers this a proper topic for this
>lute list.
Oops... you have alre
At 02:50 AM 8/15/2005, Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>does he know
>that Giuliani published a book of guitar music in
>tablature notation, Heck doesn't even mention it in his
>Giuliani monograph, publ. by Orphee.
Which Giuliani? there are 7 Giulianis in the Columbus OH telephone
direct
tion.
- Original Message -
From: Matanya Ophee
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 12:41 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo
At 06:24 AM 8/14/2005, Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This is what I mean about misrepresentation. I did not
At 02:50 AM 8/15/2005, Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>With all due respect, I think I know a bit more about
>the history of guitar than does Matanya. For example,
>does he know that Madame Robert Sidney-Pratten published
>a posthumous work by Leonardo Schultz that she played
>with great p
s he know
> that Giuliani published a book of guitar music in
> tablature notation, Heck doesn't even mention it in his
> Giuliani monograph, publ. by Orphee.
>
> ajn
> - Original Message -
> From: Roman Turovsky
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Sent: Mo
phee.
ajn
- Original Message -
From: Roman Turovsky
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:42 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo
> from Arthur on the merits of the issues at hand. Dr.
> Arthur Joseph
> Stonewall PH.D. is a well known figure in these
> from Arthur on the merits of the issues at hand. Dr. Arthur Joseph
> Stonewall PH.D. is a well known figure in these parts. What I am
> getting out of this is the simple matter of making a public record
> which establishes the fact that in spite of his vast knowledge of
> lute matters, Arthur
> your predictability. Too bad you do not live
> closer to me. I can certainly use an artist on
> the pay roll, and I would love to have you closer
> to observe.
I don't work for insolvent crooks.
> It should be obvious, even to mental midgets like
> you, that the relevance of the subject matter
At 06:24 AM 8/14/2005, Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This is what I mean about misrepresentation. I did not refer to
>OPhee's edition because it is so filled with mistakes. Mistakes
>that were first pointed out by Erik Stenstadvolrt in a review in
>Classical Guitar magazine. I "scan
nce belonged to Madame Robert
Sidney-Pratten, the famous English guitarist, is now in the Boston Museum of
Fine Arts.
- Original Message -
From: Roman Turovsky
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:55 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo
>
At 11:18 PM 8/12/2005, you wrote:
>Arthur wrote:
> >I'll stand on my F naturals, which both MO and ES turn to F sharps.
>
>My original printed edition did have the F naturals, and that was the
>point on which Erik criticized it. Eventually, in our discussions on
>RMCG, you were the one who told m
At 01:23 PM 8/13/2005, Arthur wrote:
> To catch modern day pirates Ophee changes a few notes in his
editions of public domain >music, so that when someone else publishes
the same pieces with his alterations he can >charge them with
copyright infringement. Of course one can go back to the ori
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo / Pirates of Penance
Arthur,
Copyright laws were first passed in England in 1712. The previous laws
consisted of publisher's privileges, which essentially meant that the
authors did not get any sh
;they would probably be confiscated, and perhaps the owner fined. The fine
>would go to the publisher whose works were pirated by Phalese.
> - Original Message -
> From: Arthur Ness
> To: Jon Murphy ; Lute Net ; Roman Turovsky
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:
man Turovsky
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo / Pirates of Penance
Dear Jon,
I don't understand why you are writing to me. "Piracy" and "Pirate" are a
proper terms used by bibliographers to refer to a publisher who p
At 11:55 PM 8/12/2005, Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > To present this as your recent find, when you knew damn well that I
> > published this piece in paper format in 1984, and when it ran out of
> > print, I posted it on line in 1997, at which time you chose to
> > criticize it on RM
At 11:33 PM 8/12/2005, Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am listening. Intently.
> To yourself.
Once again, you are exactly right. There is no chance in tarnation
that Arthur Ness will ever respond to the challenge, and for two
simple reasons:
1. he hasn't a clue of where he got
At 06:18 PM 8/12/2005, Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > IOW, you are assuming that a simple discussion of plagiarism, on
> > which there is no question, would necessarily deteriorate in this
> > forum into personal insults and name calling. You are right, and
> > Roman Turovsky did no
- Original Message -
From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net"
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:49 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo
> > Besides, Ophee's edition has so man
r Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net"
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:49 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo
> > Besides, Ophee's edition has so many mistakes, I couldn't refer to it to
> make my point about Beethoven influences.
> MO deliber
> To present this as your recent find, when you knew damn well that I
> published this piece in paper format in 1984, and when it ran out of
> print, I posted it on line in 1997, at which time you chose to
> criticize it on RMCG, in other words, you knew that it was there, is
> nothing short of
>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:28:06 -0700 Arthur Ness wrote:
>
>I really dislike seeing my words misrepresented on these pages,
>first by Thames/Haskins, and now Ophee.
My sympathy to you. It is indeed difficult to see one's words
misrepresented. It is even more difficult to see complete distortion
and
> Besides, Ophee's edition has so many mistakes, I couldn't refer to it to
make my point about Beethoven influences.
MO deliberately inserts mistakes into his "editions", to track down
potential piracy. A scholarly type, isn't he?
RT
___
$0
r to it to make
my point about Beethoven influences. Something neither Ophee or E.S. mention.
I'll stand on my F naturals, which both MO and ES turn to F sharps.
- Original Message -
From: Roman Turovsky
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:18 PM
Sub
Howard Posner wrote:
>Get your tickets to this flame war early...
IOW, you are assuming that a simple discussion of plagiarism, on
which there is no question, would necessarily deteriorate in this
forum into personal insults and name calling. You are right, and
Roman Turovsky did not waste an
At 04:00 PM 8/12/2005, Alain Veylit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Personally, I think that Michael Thames and Matanya Ophee are one and
>the same person - the timing is just too weird: one goes, the other one
>arrives...
>But I don't recall M.O. mentioning being a luthier or M.T. mentioning
>publishi
Personally, I think that Michael Thames and Matanya Ophee are one and
the same person - the timing is just too weird: one goes, the other one
arrives...
But I don't recall M.O. mentioning being a luthier or M.T. mentioning
publishing. Maybe it's a case of split personality?
Alain
Howard Posner
Get your tickets to this flame war early...
Matanio Opheo wrote:
> If you are saying that some Austrians used Italianized names, you are
> breaking the lock on an open door. We know that already. If you
> intimate that just because one Austrian football coach working in
> Italy had an Italianized
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