[LUTE] Re: four and twenty

2018-01-29 Thread guy_and_liz Smith
hurt. On the other hand, I am firmly in favor of returning thorn to the English alphabet. Guy -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:34 AM To: lutelist Net Subject: [LUTE]

[LUTE] Re: four and twenty

2018-01-29 Thread John Mardinly
Ah, but Voyager is still going strong after 40 years. Voyager and its ‘Golden Record' are still going ~38,000 mph, about 13 billion miles from our sun. One of the musical selections chosen by Carl Sagan was a performance of Holborne's ‘Fairie Rownde' by David Munrow and The Early

[LUTE] Re: four and twenty

2018-01-29 Thread Roman Turovsky
both languages derive it seems to come between ten and eleven - decem, undecim. No obvious logic. Not that this has much to do with the lute. Monica Original Message From: arc...@verizon.net Date: 29/01/2018 13:43 To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subj: [LUTE] Re: four and twenty Rainer &

[LUTE] Re: four and twenty

2018-01-29 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Because of the constant clinging to weird units, we already lost an expensive Mars probe :) Am 29.01.2018 um 12:55 schrieb Christopher Stetson: And, to continue Monica's thoughts, the change Rainer is speaking of took place long before there were any standards for teachers at all.

[LUTE] Re: four and twenty

2018-01-29 Thread howard posner
> On Jan 29, 2018, at 1:37 AM, Rainer wrote: > > I always thought that there must have been (sort of) an official reform. > > At least teachers must have a common opinion what to teach children. > > Apparently there was none in England. Nothing is official in the

[LUTE] Re: four and twenty

2018-01-29 Thread John Mardinly
The speedometer in my car reads out in ‘furlongs per fortnight', but what does this have to do with lutes? A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters Francisco Goya On Jan 29, 2018, at 2:37 AM, Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: A

[LUTE] Re: four and twenty

2018-01-29 Thread Christopher Wilke
Two other survivors of the American attempt at the metric conversion: booze and tools. Alcohol is sold in metric units whether domestic or imported - typically 750ml (nearly all wine bottles), 1 liter and 1.75 (why not just make it 2 liters?). Tools like wrenches, etc. are often

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-29 Thread Rainer
On 29.01.2018 15:44, Daniel Shoskes wrote: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence" Christopher Hitchens This is much older: “Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.” See

[LUTE] Re: four and twenty

2018-01-29 Thread mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu
. Not that this has much to do with the lute. Monica Original Message From: arc...@verizon.net Date: 29/01/2018 13:43 To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subj: [LUTE] Re: four and twenty Rainer & other linguaphiles-- I find it interesting that different languages have different &q

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-29 Thread Daniel Shoskes
typical sweet and gentle manner. RA From: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of howard posner <[5]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 12:55 AM To: Lute net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The

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2018-01-29 Thread Leonard Williams
Rainer & other linguaphiles-- I find it interesting that different languages have different "breakpoints" in the teens: Spanish between 15 and 16 (quince, dieciseis), Italian 16 and 17 (seidici, diciassette), English 12 and 13 (twelve, thirteen)--the ones I know. What's that

[LUTE] Re: four and twenty

2018-01-29 Thread Christopher Stetson
And, to continue Monica's thoughts, the change Rainer is speaking of took place long before there were any standards for teachers at all. it also depends on time and place. In the United States, we have certainly had standards for teachers for several decades, including grammar,

[LUTE] Re: four and twenty

2018-01-29 Thread mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu
There is never likely to be any official reform of the English language. And teachers don't have a common opinion on what to teach children. The policy is to leave children to find everything out for themselves. As ever Monica Original Message From: rads.bera_g...@t-online.de Date:

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-29 Thread howard posner
ts of my > observations, in your typical sweet and gentle manner. > > RA > > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of > howard posner <howardpos...@ca.rr.com> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 12:55 AM > To: Lute

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-28 Thread howard posner
> On Jan 28, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > I'll play the role of diplomat here. > I find that most lute players tend toward crabbiness Would you like to share your raw data on this, or is it being peer reviewed for publication? > since we play an >

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-28 Thread G. C.
Ron wrote: In the past, I have observed (as I do) that the lion's share of posts cropping up on the lute list fall into one of three categories: 1) Selfies (look at my new video, instrument, cat...), 2) Discussions about strings (animal intestines good, plastic bad), and 3)

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-28 Thread Rainer
Oops - of course I said Farewell to Mr. Swine. Rainer On 28.01.2018 19:24, G. C. wrote: Lieber Rainer, lass doch nicht die besoffenen Kommentare eines vollkommen unbekanten Narres, zu solche dramatische Konsequenz führen. Wir brauchen dich noch alle! Viele Grüsse G.

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-28 Thread G. C.
Lieber Rainer, lass doch nicht die besoffenen Kommentare eines vollkommen unbekanten Narres, zu solche dramatische Konsequenz führen. Wir brauchen dich noch alle! Viele Grüsse G. On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote:

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-28 Thread Rainer
Timothy Swain (an old, old former lutenist who cannot help but be astonished by ridiculous matters being brought up...) I think it's time to leave the mailing list now. Farewell Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-28 Thread Timothy Swain
The ridiculous spate of Lute emails! Do you not recognize phrases that are used for (somewhat poetic) purposes? I use that phrase occasionally: I betray myself by writing this! Let's leave off unimportant, rollicking, fatuous, plainly unimportant affairs such as this & get on to

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-28 Thread Matthew Daillie
The posts on this forum might answer your question Rainer: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/3903/19th-century-english-texts-occasionally-use-germanic-style-number-words-such-as Best, Matthew On 28/01/2018 11:11, Rainer wrote: Dear lute-netters, some of you certainly know (have)

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-28 Thread Rainer
According to http://blog.zeit.de/mathe/allgemein/zahlen-sprechweise-deutsch-englisch/ there was a reform in England in the 16th century - obviously plain nonsense - and a similar reform in Norway in 1951 - probably true. French is much worse: quatre-vingt-dix-neuf Rainer On

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-28 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
oren www.vfll.de www.lektoren.de/profil/joachim-luedtke -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690 Datum: 2018-01-28T11:32:11+0100 Von: "Rainer" <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> An: "Lute net" <

[LUTE] Re: Four and Twenty Fiddlers: The Violin at the English Court, 1540-1690

2018-01-28 Thread Rainer
I forgot to mention that the old-fashioned way was still used by Collins, Dickens and even by Conan Doyle after 1880. I have no idea if that was old fashioned at their time, though. Rainer On 28.01.2018 11:11, Rainer wrote: Dear lute-netters, some of you certainly know (have) Peter Holman's