[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-26 Thread John Mardinly
I think now, in the weird world of Trumpism, we would call them "Alternative Notes". A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer EMail: [1]john.mardi...@asu.edu Cell: [2]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs) But don’t call the lab….I

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-21 Thread Peter Martin
Bass line B flat to F natural in version 1 seems more apposite than B flat to F sharp in version 2, so I would vote for no change. All best Peter On 15 January 2017 at 13:00, Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: Dear lute netters, please note that the

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-17 Thread Mathias Rösel
> Indeed, and it was Mudarra himself who wrote those words concerning "false > notes" in his fantasia. I'd even be reluctant to translate "falsas" with "false notes" (Mathias, is that why you put it in quotes?) Yes. Mathias "Musica falsa" was a well established alternative term for "musica

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-16 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
And finally, the thesis by Roa Alonso, Francisco Javier (2016) : "Alonso Mudarra, vihuelista en la casa del infantado y canónigo en la catedral de Sevilla" can be downloaded in pdf from here: http://eprints.ucm.es/39306/1/T37818.pdf Have a look at pages 261 - 265 about the Fantasia 10 in

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-16 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
And in English here : http://www.lavihuela.com/Vihuela/My_publications_files/GRIFFITHS%201989%20mudarra.pdf -- > >Am Sonntag, 15. Januar 2017 22:37 CET, Mathias Rösel > schrieb: > > >> > and he wants to say that the false relations sound fine if

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-16 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Dear all, All you want to know about this Fantasia by Mudarra : http://www.lavihuela.com/Vihuela/My_publications_files/GRIFFITHS%201986%20mu%20fantasia.pdf Best, Jean-Marie -- > >Am Sonntag, 15. Januar 2017 22:37 CET, Mathias Rösel > schrieb: > >

[LUTE] Re: Harp alterations was Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-15 Thread Valery SAUVAGE
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Copie à : > Objet : [LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing > > Interesting- to (some) modern players- both HIP and non-HIP; by the way- > that "well played" has to automatically be synonymous with "fast en

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-15 Thread Dan Winheld
Interesting- to (some) modern players- both HIP and non-HIP; by the way- that "well played" has to automatically be synonymous with "fast enough". - And Ralf, thanks for the info concerning falsas, ficta, and the hexachords. I never heard that Mudarra was mocking Ludovico, rather instead that

Re: Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-15 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Sonntag, 15. Januar 2017 22:37 CET, Mathias Rösel schrieb: > > and he wants to say that the false relations sound fine if played fast > > enough. > > There are no "wrong" notes. Wait, wait! Nowhere does Mudarra mention speed at all. It's an easy to fall in

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-15 Thread Mathias Rösel
> Has anyone ever done a study of possible wrong notes in ‘Forlorne Hope?” In > Alonso Mudarra’s Fantasia, there is, according to Pujol, a comment: ‘There > are are few false notes but they do not sound bad if played well’. So it may > be an over reach to assume that unusual sounds may have a

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-15 Thread Rainer
On 15.01.2017 20:19, John Mardinly wrote: Has anyone ever done a study of possible wrong notes in ‘Forlorne Hope?” In Alonso Mudarra’s Fantasia, there is, according to Pujol, a comment: ‘There are are few false notes but they do not sound bad if played well’. So it may be an over reach to

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-15 Thread John Mardinly
Rainer RA From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Matthew Daillie <[6]dail...@club-internet.fr> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 2:20 PM To: Rainer; Lute net Subject: [LUTE]

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-15 Thread Alain Veylit
ary 15, 2017 2:20 PM To: Rainer; Lute net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing Dear Rainer, It doesn't sound awfully wrong to me. Furthermore, if you play just the bass line you will see that the voice moves in exactly the same fashion in bars 5 and 6. Best, Matthew On 15/01/2017 14:00,

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-15 Thread Rainer
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Matthew Daillie <dail...@club-internet.fr> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 2:20 PM To: Rainer; Lute net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing Dear Rainer, It doesn't sound awfully wrong to me. Further

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-15 Thread Matthew Daillie
Dear Rainer, It doesn't sound awfully wrong to me. Furthermore, if you play just the bass line you will see that the voice moves in exactly the same fashion in bars 5 and 6. Best, Matthew On 15/01/2017 14:00, Rainer wrote: Dear lute netters, please note that the tablature snippets in

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-15 Thread G. C.
Look at a4 in 5th measure. Much ado about white's nothing :) G On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Christopher Stetson <[1]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Rainer and all, It appears to me that both examples are identical. Chris. On Sun, Jan 15,

[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

2017-01-15 Thread Christopher Stetson
Dear Rainer and all, It appears to me that both examples are identical. Chris. On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: Dear lute netters, please note that the tablature snippets in this mail may look very strange if you do not