structure of page
1 (with the same basic material now altered in each phrase).
Of all the composers who exist or whoever existed, John Cage seems the
most unlikely candidate for portraying psycho turmoil in his music yet
there really is something anxious and nervy going on. Extensive
(4,7,2,5,4,7,2,3,5) which, at least or only, means
phrase structure, and page 2 follows the phrase structure of page 1 (with
the same basic material now altered in each phrase).
Of all the composers who exist or whoever existed, John Cage seems the most
unlikely candidate for portraying psycho
or whoever existed, John Cage seems the most
unlikely candidate for portraying psycho turmoil in his music yet there
really is something anxious and nervy going on. Extensive biographical
research (skimming the wikipedia entry) reveals that Cage's marriage was
failing at this time and he
I think this could work as a lute piece... as a sort of prelude.
It's written in conventional music notation but suggestive of many
(anxious) interpretations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCp531yj2oI
Stuart
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On Dec 20, 2012, at 4:22 PM, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote:
I think this could work as a lute piece... as a sort of prelude.
And if you want a sort of Cage suite, I've found that 2'33 works as well on
the lute as it does on piano/
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And there was a moment of silence in response to that...
David
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On Dec 20, 2012, at 4:22 PM, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote:
I think this could work as a lute piece... as a sort of
4'33 - RIP
Rainer adS
On 21.12.2012 01:42, howard posner wrote:
On Dec 20, 2012, at 4:22 PM, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote:
I think this could work as a lute piece... as a sort of prelude.
And if you want a sort of Cage suite, I've found that 2'33 works as well on
the lute
On Dec 20, 2012, at 5:45 PM, adS rainer.aus-dem-spr...@gmx.de wrote:
4'33 -
You're absolutely right, but when I do it, it's two minutes shorter because I
skip the first movement--I've never liked it, unlike the other two.
BTW, there's video of the full orchestral version at:
Dear Thomas;
Please define serious composer.
Gary Digman
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From: Thomas Schall
Date: 19 Dec 2003 17:36:47 +0100
To: Howard Posner
Subject: Re: John Cage on Lute
If I could
,
Gary
Digman
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To: Lute Net
Subject: John Cage on Lute
Dear Doctor Oakroot,
To say that someone is missing the point pre
Beuys is a very interesting person, yes - I wondered if the value of his
works is detected on the sum they were and are insured.
There is a funny story about his Fettfleck (just a piece of grease) on
the floor of a museum which the charwoman cleaned ...
Thomas
Am Sam, 2003-12-20 um 15.00
Thomas Schall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strawinski's comment propably meant any time Cage spends with nothing is
better than if he would produce tones ...
Probably?
young man must be'
Best, Jon
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Tom,
You are well informed on aspects of Cage's life and music and deliver your
OK, I was going to shut up. But I've seen particular pieces mentioned on
this thread (there was a comment on a cow-bell being an improvement on a
European composer of a recent period - pardon that I don't check back on the
message as to which one).
I am disappointed.
To say that something you
I'm sorry to say that I'd rather have expected some kind of a moderate
statement the way
this list has been used to hear from you.
To say that something you do not understand or do not find what you expect to
find in it
is not art or is not beautiful or uplifting (and what else you said)
one composition
by John Cage, which consists of four and a half minutes (or
thereabouts) of silence. To me that is utterly ridiculous. Others
may, of course, disagree. How they feel about it is entirely up to
them. Yet I would take their point of view more seriously, if I knew
that they regularly
Stuart LeBlanc wrote:
Not so tough a question. A Beethoven symphony expresses the human condition
in all its complexity. A cowbell expresses the location of a cow.
That aside, a very appropriate commentary. I'm reminded of Henry Miller's
remark:
In America, everybody has the
Stewart wrote:
Many thanks indeed for your message. It has troubled me greatly that
we have disagreed over this issue, when we have seen eye to eye on
everything else which has come up for discussion. For that reason I
had decided earlier this evening not to pursue the thread any
further.
that I want to learn how to drive a garbage truck so I can make music.
Gary Digman
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:41:10 -
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Subject: Re: John Cage on Lute
Dear Michael,
It is possible that John Cage achieved
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Stuart LeBlanc wrote:
Not so tough a question. A Beethoven symphony expresses the human
condition
in all its complexity. A cowbell expresses the location of a cow
Dear Michael,
It is possible that John Cage achieved something as a composer, but,
if he did, it has escaped me. Cutting strings, performing in
silence, and all those other sad gimmicks are utterly abhorrent. No
doubt he is making some clever, meaningful point, as purport the
forlorn heaps
Would this piece need much practise? I consider to start my next recital
with it.
L.
Dear Michael,
It is possible that John Cage achieved something as a composer, but,
if he did, it has escaped me. Cutting strings, performing in
silence, and all those other sad gimmicks are utterly
Amen. (Ditto Boulez, who is worse because he is still alive and in control
of the money bag that could be used for real composers.)
RT
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http://polyhymnion.org
Dear Michael,
It is possible that John Cage achieved something as a composer
If I could regard this as a joke it would be a fine idea but if I recall
right Cage really thought to be a serious composer.
Reminds me on a german band (I think it was Einstuerzende Neubauten)
which recorded a similar piece called Nichts (nothing) in the 80's.
Strawinski's comment propably
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cannot find it it's either
above my understanding or bad.
Best wishes
Thomas
Am Fre, 2003-12-19 um 17.58 schrieb Doctor Oakroot:
Stupid lute list - gotta send everything twice, lol
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Roman Turovsky at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Was the piece that requires no playing? I forget the title, something like
4.32. Just sit for 4
Am 19 Dec 2003 um 18:45 hat Thomas Schall geschrieben:
By the way: I like modern music - but cum grano salis - I try to
detect form and content in any piece. If I cannot find it it's either
above my understanding or bad. Best wishes Thomas
Dear Thomas, all,
as John Cage was inspired by (Zen
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Someone's missing the point :)
The point of 4'33 is what happens in the room when the audience
is
exposed to it - it's music as performance art
Sure, Vance, I take your point about the rubbish being bought for large sums
of money. But it takes two to tango. After all, no one is forced to pay x
amount of dollars for something. And when I think of all the junk that classical,
etc., composers got away with (and for which they, too, got
. In Europe,
everybody has the opportunity to become nobody.
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Subject: John Cage
Though I was never, even in my most radical student days, an admirer of
Cage's music
, complete in itself, in a world where
there are so many nasty things. People of all ages and all nations
may be uplifted by music. Call it escapism, if you will, but the
destructive ideas of John Cage and his ilk have no place in the
world of lutes. He should be barred.
Best wishes,
Stewart
to
take their music where it may not have otherwise gone. Cage was passionate
about the use of chance in his works ... maybe that was his convention.
In May of 1973, I was fortunate to be able to spend a day with John Cage
hunting morel mushrooms (one of his favorite endeavors in later years
Thomas,
By the way: I like modern music - but cum grano salis - I try to
detect form and content in any piece. If I cannot find it it's either
above my understanding or bad.
Best wishes
Thomas
I concur. I've heard form and content in rock (although not much lately),
and also heard random
Does any one know whether John Cage wrote for the lute in his life time?
I heard something about a contemporary composer who wrote a Passaicialle where after
each return of the bass motif, a course was cut with sizzors until all strings were no
more. Then silence
of the piece but I remember it worked fine and natural on a lute.
Best wishes
Thomas
Am Don, 2003-12-18 um 22.39 schrieb Michael Stitt:
Does any one know whether John Cage wrote for the lute in his life time?
I heard something about a contemporary composer who wrote a Passaicialle where after
Am Don, 2003-12-18 um 22.39 schrieb Michael Stitt:
Does any one know whether John Cage wrote for the lute in his life time?
I heard something about a contemporary composer who wrote a Passaicialle
where after each return of the bass motif, a course was cut with sizzors
until all strings
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