Jon, Islamic music really is non-harmonic in the sense that it is
more-or-less modal melody plus percussion. Even when two or more tones
sound simultaneously, as in the use of a drone, it's non-harmonic in the
technical sense of functional harmonies.
I concur, I used the term harmonic in the
24, 2003 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: fretted ud ?
The turkish 'ud has never been fretted. same is for any idan from
Morocco to
Iraq.
The only fretted lute they havein Turkey is the Lauta which is
different
and has a longer neck and different tuning.
Turkish Lauta [actually a regional item from
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The turkish 'ud has never been fretted. same is for any idan from Morocco
to
Iraq.
The only fretted
: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: fretted ud ?
I'm looking at the back of a CD cover with the word Ud on the front and a
picture of a Ud with clearly marked frets on it. I was in Turkey in
JUne and saw many uds so I know what one looks like..
I expect the word `absolute' or never
, and maybe fretted idan.
regards,
Davide
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Subject: Re: fretted ud ?
I'm looking at the back of a CD cover with the word Ud on the front and a
picture of a Ud with clearly marked
The turkish 'ud has never been fretted. same is for any idan from Morocco to
Iraq.
The only fretted lute they havein Turkey is the Lauta which is different
and has a longer neck and different tuning.
Turkish Lauta [actually a regional item from Aegean islands and western
Anatolia] is a
,
davide rebuffa
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Hi Ed:
It is my understanding that the Ud is fretless and has only a single
first
Correction from previous tranmitted meassage. I mean to say ` The point IS not all
uds are UNfretted'. Here is the picture: http://bachplucked.com/ud/
Regards,
Michael.
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On Saturday my wife and I wandered into a Turkish music shop here in oz to buy an ud
CD. I asked the Turkish born shop keeper for the best solo ud player of Turkey and he
gave me a recording of Ergin Kizilay playing solo ud music. I dont know whether he
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Hi Michael,
it seems as if the turkey has reimported the european lute (with frets)
which was to a certain degree spread over the osmanian empire (and in
india). I think they coexist together with the arabian form of the ud
without frets and are slightly different built.
Daniel would surely be
: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: fretted ud: still exists - here
Hi Michael,
it seems as if the turkey has reimported the european lute (with frets)
which was to a certain degree spread over the osmanian empire (and in
india). I think they coexist together with the arabian form
Dear All:
So where does the North African kuitra fit into all of this? How is it
different from an ud?
Yours,
Jim
, 2003 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: fretted ud: still exists - here
Hi Michael,
it seems as if the turkey has reimported the european lute (with frets)
which was to a certain degree spread over the osmanian empire (and in
india). I think they coexist together with the arabian form of the ud
without
starting
making 6, 7, and 8 course Lutes into 9, 10, and larger formats.
Vance Wood.
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Does anyone
Visit: http://bachplucked.com/ud/
Regards,
Michael Stitt
Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon Murphy schrieb:
But I think that may be the limit, so far as I know there are no musical
transcriptions available in Cuneiform.
well, there are :)
BTW, has the Arabic retained its
Dear Michael,
thank you for those suggestions! You are right, the letter waw is not to be
linked to the following letter (which, btw, excludes such readings like dhufoor,
pl. of dhafr, girdle, belt). I was well aware of that. Like you, I was pondering
about possible readings and sensible
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Subject: Re: fretted ud
That's the one!!!
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Roman M. Turovsky
http://turovsky.org
http://polyhymnion.org
Dear Roman,
Do you mean this picture which I've just copied from your page
Dear Roman,
Do you mean this picture which I've just copied from your page?:
http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Ud.htm
As you see I also have a much bigger version which is among the
earliest images I collected. Alas in those days I didn't take much
care over keeping notes on the source. But if
That's the one!!!
RT
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Roman M. Turovsky
http://turovsky.org
http://polyhymnion.org
Dear Roman,
Do you mean this picture which I've just copied from your page?:
http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Ud.htm
As you see I also have a much bigger version which is among the
earliest images I
My wife is willing to translate the Classical Arabic, assuming it isn't Persian, but
we keep getting `cannot find the server' Lets hope this is a temporary problem..
Michael Stitt
David Van Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Roman,
Do you mean this picture which I've just copied from your
?
Vance Wood.
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Subject: Re: fretted ud
Dear Roman,
Do you mean this picture which I've just copied from your page
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