[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-11 Thread Arthur Ness
Reportedly he and his companion traveled over the Alps to Innsbruck during a blizzard. He was with Philippe Camerarius, an associate of Martin Luther who had recently been freed from being imprisoned by the Roman Inquisition. They traveled through Siena where they stayed at the

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-11 Thread Tristan von Neumann
That is a lazy excuse :) Please go on about the brushwork. On 11.11.19 15:28, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: It would be too complicated for a layman. You have to simmer in paint for years to understand how style works. In a nutshell - brushwork tells all. RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-11 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
It's also well possible that he met with highway men! :) -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again Datum: 2019-11-11T13:03:31+0100 Von: "David Van Edwards" An: "Joachim Lüdtke" But it would have to have been

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-11 Thread Roman Turovsky
I have a 50 year experience in visual arts, so... Stylistically is absolutely post-1600. It is also worth looking at such material culture elements as clothing, same anachronism. RT On 11/10/2019 11:50 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: You just repeated yourself... You cannot say "is from the

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-11 Thread David Van Edwards
But it would have to have been on the way back! Was that in Winter too? ;) David At 12:48 +0100 11/11/19, Joachim Lüdtke wrote: Well, in winter 1565, while his lute books were set and printed in Venice, Melchior together with some fellow Germans went over the Alps,

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-11 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Well, in winter 1565, while his lute books were set and printed in Venice, Melchior together with some fellow Germans went over the Alps, in deep snow and at freezing temperature. Some piece of hard-frozen snow or ice may have hit him during the passage … ;) Joachim dler's portrait, again

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-11 Thread Tristan von Neumann
So it is on Arthur, who brought this up, to deliver some insight about his sources or reasoning. Arthur? :) The painting seems to show a composer though. Who could it be? The scroll doesn't reveal much... :) T* On 11.11.19 12:01, David Van Edwards wrote: Even the museum don't say it is

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-11 Thread David Van Edwards
Even the museum don't say it is German, the artists suggested are Italian http://samling.nasjonalmuseet.no/en/object/NG.M.01341# But Melchior did visit Italy in 1565, 9 years before his undoubted portrait by Stimmer. And the resemblance is possible but slight. The main difference is the top

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-11 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Please Joachim :) There is nothing to be learned if just those broad statements are uttered. What makes you think that it is not a contemporary portrait? On 11.11.19 11:23, Joachim Lüdtke wrote: Well, he can. You can say; the traffic light is green, not red. And: it is not a contemporary