[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

2014-05-19 Thread Thomas Walker
Benjamin-- Interesting, I've been ruminating on the same question. Based on both repertoire iconography, it does seem that the double-headed lute could answer for a wide range of 17th century tunings solo works, as well as be entirely suited for 17th c. chamber continuo...at

[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

2014-05-18 Thread Mathias Rösel
When I think of 12 course lutes, I think of the ones described by Mace, with two peg boxes. But the lute Baron is holding looks like a regular 11 course lute with an extra course, right? That's right. Seems like there were two types of 12 course lutes. As regards surviving lutes, I'm only

[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

2014-05-18 Thread Are Vidar Boye Hansen
But on the other hand, it does seem plausible to me that builders experimented with adding one extra course to 11 course lutes, before they came up with the bass rider. Maybe Baron played one such experimental instrument? Are On 2014-05-18 18:07, Mathias Rösel wrote: When I think of 12

[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

2014-05-18 Thread Mathias Rösel
But on the other hand, it does seem plausible to me that builders experimented with adding one extra course to 11 course lutes, before they came up with the bass rider. Maybe Baron played one such experimental instrument? Can't see why one should assume that. The lute he holds on the

[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

2014-05-18 Thread Stephan Olbertz
There was a painting showing a 12c lute with a single peg box in the Schaezlerpalais in Augsburg, where the lectures of the recent German lute society meeting were located. I forgot the painter, though... Stephan Am 18.05.2014, 20:38 Uhr, schrieb Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de:

[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

2014-05-17 Thread Rob MacKillop
I used to have one. There is a lot of repertoire for it, though arguably none of it 'big' repertoire. There is a little bit in the Wemyss ms, Panmure 4, and there is a large number of German pieces - Reusner, for example: the printed pieces in his books are for eleven courses, but the

[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

2014-05-17 Thread Christopher Wilke
Rob, On Sat, 5/17/14, Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com wrote: Many German mss (including Weiss) have music which uses just twelve courses, enough to make me wonder if there was in Germany a 12c instrument in currency. Baron is pictured with a

[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

2014-05-17 Thread Rob MacKillop
Well, there we go :-) I'd forgotten about the Baron. Thanks, Chris. No need to think of the instrument as an almost 13c or overgrown 11c. If Baron had one, is it out of the realms of possibility that Weiss had one? The London manuscript (if I remember correctly) has a number of sonatas

[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

2014-05-17 Thread Bernd Haegemann
On 17.05.2014 22:56, Christopher Wilke wrote: Rob, On Sat, 5/17/14, Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com wrote: Many German mss (including Weiss) have music which uses just twelve courses, enough to make me wonder if there was in Germany a 12c

[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

2014-05-17 Thread G. Crona
- Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de Well, I wouldn't buy a twelve pointer to play that boring stuff :-) So IYV Baron=Boring? G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

2014-05-17 Thread Are Vidar Boye Hansen
When I think of 12 course lutes, I think of the ones described by Mace, with two peg boxes. But the lute Baron is holding looks like a regular 11 course lute with an extra course, right? Seems like there were two types of 12 course lutes. Are On 2014-05-17 20:01, Rob MacKillop wrote: I used