lute cryptography

2003-10-24 Thread Jerzy ZAK
Dear LUTENISTS, Can anybody explain the kinde of notation as below - is it a new, 21st C lute tablature? - or point to some handbook or a web page. With thanks in advance. Jerzy -t -f {1574_no_30_Fuggerin_Danz__Folget_der_Hupffauff/MN} b 0cdda 1cdd x a b

Re: Historical cost of lutes.

2003-11-13 Thread Jerzy ZAK
Today, a good lute runs, say, from 0.5 - 1.0 months' salary (depending, of course, on both salary level and lute cost). .. and a country, Herbert !!! In some European countries it runs from 4 months ('student lute') to 2 years' salary, ...but it's getting better. Jerzy

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-03 Thread Jerzy ZAK
On Wednesday, Dec 3, 2003, at 23:04 Europe/Warsaw, Matanya Ophee wrote: But should new material come to light, there is no chance it will enter into general circulation any time soon. Viz. the availability to the Francesco Castelfranco new discoveries. And this is only one of the more

Proportio/Tripla

2003-12-04 Thread Jerzy ZAK
On Thursday, Dec 4, 2003, at 18:15 Europe/Warsaw, Roman Turovsky wrote: ... Well, there are some potential linguistic pitfalls, stemming from the differences between American and British versions of English, as well as considerable differences in thinking patterns: people tend to be A BIT

Re: Recent discoveries (Facsimeles etc.)

2003-12-04 Thread Jerzy ZAK
Dear Matanya, Thank you for your answer. On Thursday, Dec 4, 2003, at 19:43 Europe/Warsaw, Matanya Ophee wrote: At 06:14 PM 12/4/2003 +0100, Jerzy ZAK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Matanya, ... But time showed that some people prefer wasting time - ours, mine, on personal quarrels

LUTE list

2003-12-11 Thread Jerzy ZAK
Well, I see it is not a lute discussion list. Does anybody know some other? Jerzy On Friday, Dec 12, 2003, at 03:33 Europe/Warsaw, Michael Thames wrote: Vance, You seem to be obsessed with this Nazi thing. I never mentioned race, = or Jews, or Germans etc. I actually

Re: (serious/popular)

2003-12-13 Thread Jerzy ZAK
Thanks for joinin, Peter, On Friday, Dec 12, 2003, at 12:31 Europe/Warsaw, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Jurek (Jerzy), ... There were real stars among both groups, whose names became known to the history, and thousands of others forgotten.' .. Look at for example the editions of

to RT ... / failure notice

2003-12-16 Thread Jerzy ZAK
I am sorry I use the List address for private communication but some of my emails (not only to Roman) are comming back for reasons I don't understand. Do you, Roman, have some idea why this happens with your server??? If you have some other address, please let me know. Jurek

Re: OT, but maybe interesting

2003-12-30 Thread Jerzy ZAK
Dear Thomas, I passed your news of the Cologne musicologist Sebnem Yavuz about the Gregorian chant to my wife who is a theologian. Here I summerise what she told me - rather surprised by the ''discovery'' of facts that are well known ''in the profession'' since long. ''The Gregorian chant is

Re: OT, but maybe interesting

2003-12-30 Thread Jerzy ZAK
Dear Thomas and Mathias, Unfortunately massmedia prey on topics like 'Jesus, Qumran und der Vatican' or 'Verschlußsache Jesus' - the books, however not easy to read, were bestsellers in Germany for years in early 90's, you may remember that. There is a market for stories like 'good Boethius

Re: Django 7.37 released

2004-01-11 Thread Jerzy ZAK
Dear Alain, I appreciate you work much, but I would do much more... if you had a mac version some time, too ;-) After having a look at your PDF with Siena_155, let me ask you one thing. Having a piece of 51 bars isn't it possible in Django to fit it on three pages, and not on three plus one

Re: equal temperament

2004-01-30 Thread Jerzy ZAK
On Friday, January 30, 2004, at 04:01 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: The WTC then becomes an interesting exercise in *composing* in different keys (because each key has its own character), rather than an exercise in *playing* in any key (which is trivial). I'm sorry - writing for writing. Try

Re: also....

2004-03-22 Thread Jerzy ZAK
Roman, You are completly unreachable to me at both your known addresses. Will you please ask both the @verizon.net and @att.net if one can ever communicate with you from @poczta.wp.pl. I wouldn't like to bother this forum with such problems any more, so lets find answer on both sides... To

Re: Thoroughbass Playing ...

2004-03-23 Thread Jerzy ZAK
On Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004, at 14:40 Europe/Warsaw, Roman Turovsky wrote: .. IMO: Baroque Lute is ill-suited to any group endeavor, excepted accompanying a single voice singing maximum at mezza voce. It is destined to be a PRIVATE instrument, like clavichord, as I said elsewhere. What is

Re: Thoroughbass Playing ...

2004-03-23 Thread Jerzy ZAK
On Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004, at 19:40 Europe/Warsaw, Roman Turovsky wrote: ... someone else's execrable music (like Hasse's for example). RT ... I fail to recall any of his music RT ... Sugar as an anti-depressant??? Not for me. RT I perfectly understand your point. How you can like

Re: Tiorbino composers?

2004-03-26 Thread Jerzy ZAK
On Friday, Mar 26, 2004, at 08:11 Europe/Warsaw, Howard Posner wrote: ... in the latest Grove if memory serves, that Castaldi's pieces are among the few for tiorbino, which is either a statement that that there are others, or typical academic mealy-mouthed caution. Besard 1617 comes to

Ballard 1614

2005-04-18 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear All, Does anybody know what is the present publishing/editorial situation of the Robert Ballard, Deuxiesme Livre de Luth, Paris, 1614. The old Pohlmann says the original print is ONLY in St Petersburg (formerly Leningrad). For the next few days I'll have no occasion to check it up in

[LUTE] Re: Unquiet Thoughts

2005-09-14 Thread Jerzy Zak
...Dowland must be turning in his grave. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy Well, for the first time Dowland must have moaned when he got his First Book of Songes from the printer and saw all the errors. Now he must keep turning in his grave very often seeing all those modern ''e-editions'' done

[LUTE] new/modern music for lute

2005-10-20 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear List, I have a question if there is any listing of a new /modern /contemporary music for 'lute instruments', both renaissance and baroque, solo and ensemble, published, in manuscript or just performed? Some time ago I had a small catalogue-like publication (ed. by T. Satoh?), if I

[LUTE] Re: back from Tehran

2006-01-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2006-01-24, at 10:57, LGS-Europe wrote: ... from different countries, and frightfully former Eastern Europe-like 'classical' music. Dear David, I beg your pardon, please, but you mean by ''Eastern Europe-like 'classical' music''? Jurek _ To get on or off this list see

[LUTE] Re: OT: politcal correctness (was: back from Tehran)

2006-01-25 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2006-01-25, at 10:29, LGS-Europe wrote: Dear David, I beg your pardon, please, but you mean by ''Eastern Europe-like 'classical' music''? I had no idea I had to be politically correct on this forum. You gave only a partial quote, as I wrote _former_ Eastern Europe-like 'classical'

[LUTE] Re: Flight Case Update

2006-02-23 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2006-02-23, at 12:08, Benjamin Narvey wrote: My 19c theorbo ... Jurek __ -- Zdjêcia 10x15 tylko 38gr! Zamawiaj odbitki cyfrowe przez Internet. Pobierz swój kod promocyjny tutaj. http://gazeta.empikfoto.pl To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Microphone - Amplifier

2006-06-13 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear All, I know this is not a musical question, but nither entirely OT. What system/elements would you suggest for a fairly good amplification system for a lute (or any historical instrument). In another words, what's reasonably best to mic, transfer (wire/transmitter), amplify, c. without

[LUTE] Re: Spinacino

2007-05-12 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Arthur, Nice to get so quick responce from you. I'm teaching in Krakow since 1993 and am there every week, since I live in Warsaw for quite a long time now. My personal sentiments, as a player, were always closer to Reusner, Le Sage, Bronikowski or Rust which I located at the

[LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties

2007-11-26 Thread Jerzy Zak
May be the other contrepartie has been ''(re)constructed'' ;-)) ? Jurek On 2007-11-26, at 18:08, Arthur Ness wrote: Only two Visee contreparties are in Paris sources. There is the wonderful finding tool that Christian Meyer and his associates are making for our use. It is

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 13 course rider/swan

2007-11-30 Thread Jerzy Zak
'Edlinger' and must say all the discussion on temperament not long ago on the Lute-Liste in this case would have to be put into fairy-tales. Jurek ___ - Original Message From: Jerzy Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Barocklautenliste Lutelist' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November

[LUTE] Re: Piccinini notation query

2007-12-02 Thread Jerzy Zak
For me the simple answer is: -- three quick note / one long / three quick note / one long / etc... Unless sombody knows another source with a more precise notation of the piece, there is no authoritative solution to the question. To my knowledge that generation of lutenists had no way to notate

[LUTE]

2008-01-25 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear List, No browser can open an address beginning with: ed2k:// like in this: ed2k://|file|hurel.zip|32417611|382 This is taken from page: http://luthlibrairie.free.fr/?Baroque:Fran%26ccedil%3Baise somewhere under: Fac simile disponible en P2P Jurek To get on or

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
Hm..., how many of you are playing continuo on a theorbo in 'd', if it's so obvoius? Jurek ___ On 2008-01-31, at 17:25, LGS-Europe wrote: I've already very clearly explained how small theorboes (ie up to low 80s) were tuned (and even given sources for tablature) and

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-01-31, at 18:20, LGS-Europe wrote: Hm..., how many of you are playing continuo on a theorbo in 'd', if it's so obvoius? I don't. I keep mine (76cm) in a, first two courses down. All gut, 415 to 466 tested. I don't see the point why not. I haven't seen valid and or historical

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-01-31, at 20:42, Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote: A small price to pay for being able to play a three-note chord over middle C in first position? That's the point and the most promising bit. However the price seems to me not small, indeed, and therefore my quest for someone maybe

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-01-31, at 20:15, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Are these markings in historical tabulatures too? I do not remember i saw one. I was thinking of the French ornamentation markings: offhand the only one I can think of without searching through the music is a slanted line separating vertical

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Howard, On 2008-01-31, at 18:59, howard posner wrote: On Jan 31, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Jerzy Zak wrote: Hm..., how many of you are playing continuo on a theorbo in 'd', if it's so obvoius? I'm not sure what the it in your question is. Martyn Hodgson in his recent reply stated quite

[LUTE] a liste-machine

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
Strange, I'm not receiving messages I am sending to the Liste - Am I doing something wrog? Jurek To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: a liste-machine

2008-02-01 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-02-01, at 11:26, Ron Fletcher wrote: Hi Jerzy, Your message has arrived on the list, so it should work in reverse. Check your Junk-Mail folder. List messages to you could be treated as spam. You may need to re-set your spam-filter to allow these messages to reach your Inbox. Ron

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time

2008-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Stewart and Jaroslaw, In a way you are both right advocating legitimate interpretations, theoretically opposite. But they overlap and that common region is in much degree subjective, depending on context, historicall or personal styles, even some national propensities (compare the

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G/A? Plus some guidelines

2008-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
Martyn, All this is very persuasive, but what about the story of a double re- entrant instrument with double strings and the second course in octaves, in G or A? From my sketchy calculations it appeares it must be an instrument of about 74 cm (stopped), considering on one side the

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-04 Thread Jerzy Zak
the next phrase at the lower octave - in short double reentrant. Personally, I rather like the octave leap at the end of the bar MH Jerzy Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martyn, All this is very persuasive, but what about the story of a double re- entrant instrument

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino - surprising new evidence

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
In fact my first performance of Castaldi's Capricci (in the same programma with Pittoni) was with the tiorbino part played on harpsichord - as it now appeares not to far from historical practice. Very interesting, thanks, Rob. Jurek ___ On 2008-02-05, at 10:55, Rob Lute wrote: I

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-02-05, at 15:15, Arthur Ness wrote: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/divideos.html Thank you, Arthur, Then it is 1 galliard measure = 1/4 of a pavan measure. In mensural notation (not modern, often changing values) it might be: 3 half notes of a galliard (one measure) = 1 half

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-02-05, at 17:33, LGS-Europe wrote: Recorder and viol players are often shocked at the slowness of speeds requested by lutenists for broken consort music (Morley 1599 et al), and a compromise has to be reached. One of the top lute players once confessed to me why he is no longer

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
Thank you Jean-Marie, After reading you and looking again to the Arthur's exemples, I should have written: 1 galliard measure (one beat) = 1/2 of a pavan measure (one beat) and in an original mensural notation would be: 3 half notes of a galliard (one beat to a measure) = 1 whole note of a

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino - surprising new evidence

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-02-05, at 14:21, tiorba wrote: In fact my first performance of Castaldi's Capricci (in the same programma with Pittoni) was with the tiorbino part played on harpsichord - as it now appeares not to far from historical practice. Very interesting, thanks, Rob. Jurek It's indeed

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
- From: Jerzy Zak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:31 PM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: Playing in time Thank you Jean-Marie, After reading you and looking again to the Arthur's exemples, I should have written: 1 galliard measure (one beat) = 1/2 of a pavan measure (one

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
I couldn't quickly find a fitting example of a XVIth c. pair pavan- galliard, but I have at hand Terzi's 1st book of tab. and their on p. 115-117: Ballo Tedesco… / Il Saltarello del prescrito ballo. They are closly related thematically and it immadiately appeares that one bar/ measure of

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino, by Castaldi

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
Tremendous thanks for this, Diego. Transcibing such in an old and foreign language text from an original would be a nightmare for me. Jurek _ On 2008-02-05, at 21:56, Diego Cantalupi wrote: That's the (difficult) text. I'll try to upload he page later ALLA NOBILE, SPLENDIDA E

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino - surprising no evidence

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Diego, On 2008-02-05, at 21:51, Diego Cantalupi wrote: Changing instrumentation in music of the time is as natural as breathing. Almost all title pages of printed music testify to it. Not so easy... it's very difficult, if not impossible, to find any music for theorbo in mensural

[LUTE] Krakow SAM 2008

2008-06-02 Thread Jerzy Zak
from ca. 1760’s, as probably the latest. Here follow extracted fragments, but you are invited to see the original web page given above. Jurek (Jerzy Zak) Ladies and Gentlemen, Summer Music Academy will celebrate its first jubilee. It is with pleasure

[LUTE] Roman's email

2008-09-02 Thread Jerzy Zak
Roman, Aren't there some problems with your email account? jz To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weyrauch

2008-09-29 Thread Jerzy Zak
But he is a regular guitarist, with all its goods and bads… Probably thinks we are silly fools ;-)) But the video is OK, if you like anything played efficiently. J ___ On 2008-09-29, at 14:35, Stephan Olbertz wrote: Does anyone know what this exactly is?

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-23 Thread Jerzy Zak
Weiss and Logy on archlute! Well, of course, everything is explanable, I can understand any individual approach. In the end music as an art or entertainment is 'free'. Also history is a very plastic phenomenon, what endless discussions at least on this list only testify. But why there is

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-23 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-10-24, at 03:49, Roman Turovsky wrote: From: Jerzy Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't happen to often, I'm afraid). But why the real baroque lute is such a black sheep, why such a distaste, reluctance or even aversion? Why the few maniacs only use baroque lute tuning for a continuo

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
Mathias, My post was only techincally glued to your reply, I know you are into the baroque lute. On 2008-10-24, at 12:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One can buy Weiss or Logi on an archlute if it's for fun or pleasure. Equally well one can try Pulenc on theorbo or Kapsperger on modern harp,

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
Matthias, On 2008-10-24, at 12:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do like accompanying a singer though. RT Here you are, though you don't like it: H Albert, G Voigtländer, J.H. Schein, H. Schütz, Ch Bernhard, A. Krieger, J. Rist, T Selle, A Hammerschmidt, J Nauwach, C Ch Dedekind, J

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
is almost inaudible in such setting, and discussions about poliphony of it's part or consecutive fifths is aimless. Very often even without gamba. J __ RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lutelist Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
But I havn't heared any complains when a trio of a singer, lute and gamba are glorifying the Dowland's name. To be honest, to my ears the lute is almost inaudible in such setting, and discussions about poliphony of it's part or consecutive fifths is aimless. Very often even without gamba. In

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
Obviously, it's good to know about the two or three Losy's pieces and a couple of Reusner's one transfered to theorbo. But I hope you are not going to say the d-m lute, after this discovery, is practically useless and everything can be reintabulated to an archlute now - ? If I remember

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
Of course, Jean-Marie, my to obvious omission, but still, the period coinsiding with the 11/13-c lute repertoire is extremely unfavorable for the archlute as the solo instrument. Perhaps Italians were still playing it, but mostly in Italy - vide Arigoni dynasty (no single piece of music I

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
That's something! A bit more detailes, Roman, please. J __ On 2008-10-24, at 20:23, Roman Turovsky wrote: And in the 18th century- Antonio Scotti, Melchiorre Chiesa, Antonio Tinazzoli, Giuseppe Vaccari and Lodovico Fontanelli. RT - Original Message - From: Jean-Marie Poirier

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
Of course, Orlando Christoforetti in his preface to Dalla Casa _Sonate_ gives even more names. Presumably in this respect you could cite half of the address books from all Italian cities and viliges. It is as usefull for us as news from the moon, until you'll point out to the hard copy of

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
the Chilesotti debacle... RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lutelist Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo Of course, Orlando Christoforetti in his preface to Dalla Casa _Sonate_

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
wouldn't let anyone see them, a bit like the Chilesotti debacle... RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lutelist Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo Of course, Orlando Christoforetti in his

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-10-24, at 23:14, Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote: If I remember well, beside of one Pignatelli MS (PL-Kj), I have never heard about this manuscript. Please, tell me more about it! PL-Kj Mus. Ms. 40591 V.A. Coelho, Authority, Autonomy, and Interpretation in Seventeenth- Century

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-26 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-10-25, at 13:57, G. Crona wrote: - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] V.A. Coelho, Authority, Autonomy, and Interpretation in Seventeenth- Century Italian Music, in: _Performance on the Lute, Guitar and Vihuela_, ed. by V.A. Coelho, Cambridge University

[LUTE] Re: schmeltzer chaconne

2008-11-18 Thread Jerzy Zak
Timo, But in case you are looking rather for the J.G. Muffat's beautiful Passacaglia in A major, the only copy I know of is in A-KR L 83, p. (or f.) 89. Best, Jurek - On 2008-11-18, at 18:53, Peedu Timo wrote: No, it isn't, but thanks for everybody for leading me to very

[LUTE] Re: Bach Telemann

2009-01-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
David, Can you give the TWV numbers for Telemann, like there are BWV for Bach? J ___ On 2009-01-24, at 09:33, David Tayler wrote: My new CD is up on Magnatune--as always, free to listen! dt http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/voicesofmusic-bachtelemann/ To get on or off this list

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-01-29 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear David and All, Strange discussion or rather no dscussion... It's good point about today preference for a short appogiatura among lutenists playing baroque music. Very often it sounds as if a luteplayer were playing those small notes in Giuliani or Carulli ;-)) I don't know if it's

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-01-29 Thread Jerzy Zak
Mathias, As you asked David, I'll refrain from answering that particular questio. But something not so far removed comes to my mind. Some of you may know the famous French work by Jean-Féry Rebel, namely Les elemens and its first part, Le Cahos. Here you can clik and listen to the first

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-01-29 Thread Jerzy Zak
well-ordered French universe. On Jan 29, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Jerzy Zak wrote: Some of you may know the famous French work by Jean-Féry Rebel, namely Les elemens and its first part, Le Cahos. Here you can clik and listen to the first chord of it: http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue

[LUTE] Re: French trill

2009-01-30 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Mathias, So lets to the point and your Allemande. I don't pretend my method is right but if I'd have such a problem for the first time I'd first chack the source as I do not always trust the CNRS editions wich I just catched.The volume was published in 1972, the 'Tableau des signes

[LUTE] Re: French trill

2009-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Mathias, On 2009-02-01, at 00:23, Mathias Rösel wrote: Dear Jerzy, checking the source would be great, but unfortunately I share your plight, not owning a copy or facsimile of Vm7 6214. I have to rely on the CNRS edition. I wasn't familiar with the dating by Rave. The sisters Bocquet

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-02-01 Thread Jerzy Zak
The problem is, it is a long note and a simple ''shake/trill'' concisting of three notes (as one can surmise from Mersenne twisting description) biginning from the main note, is not enough. It is a long note and long notes invite something extra, something special. The well known Lacrimae

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-02-01 Thread Jerzy Zak
called historical music. J ___ Andreas Am 01.02.2009 um 17:52 schrieb Jerzy Zak: The problem is, it is a long note and a simple ''shake/trill'' concisting of three notes (as one can surmise from Mersenne twisting description) biginning from the main note, is not enough. It is a long note

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-02-01 Thread Jerzy Zak
Of course, the paradox concernes us, creators and consumers of music and our vision of the modern phenomenon called ''historical music''. It is a fancy interplay between science and art, it's a modern thing in music history -- isn't it?, and in a way quite logically it's ''modern music''

[LUTE] French trill + New thrill

2009-02-02 Thread Jerzy Zak
OK, then live music is always (?) fresh and ''currant'' (instead of ''modern''), whatever you'd say about its origin or background. Now, concerning the ''replication of the past'' versus ''continuation of the school'', don't you think that since long -- perhaps 20 or 30 years -- lutemakers

[LUTE] Re: Old Satoh Vinyl Recording

2009-02-02 Thread Jerzy Zak
Becouse people quite often don't hear while listening. But if you'll tell them you are playing on gut, then it is entirely different story. J ___ On 2009-02-02, at 19:28, howard posner wrote: How do gut strings mask incompetence? However gut has been used lately to mask various

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
If it's still about ''French trill'', I'd insist -- it's ''ours trill'', however long would be someone's explanations and justifications. Therefore the HIP performance is always ''modern'' or ''currant'' or ''today'' (without going into the present day entangled terminology). In a way

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
David T, David R, On 2009-02-03, at 17:30, David Rastall wrote: On Feb 3, 2009, at 1:19 AM, David Tayler wrote: I'm old fashioned, I guess; I think the old ways are better. You mean your father and grandfather's or the Bocquet and Mouton way? As I'd objectively appreciate and trust the

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Silvius Leopold W.

2009-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
I hope so. Regards J _ On 2009-02-03, at 23:24, Markus Lutz wrote: Hello Bernd and Jurek, I only understand: Weiss, Grodkow, Jerzy Zak ... So Grodkow now finally celebrates Weiss as son of the town, isn't it? Best regards Markus Bernd Haegemann schrieb: Wow, while we are talking

[LUTE] Re: SLW, again

2009-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
No J _ On 2009-02-04, at 00:18, Edward Martin wrote: Is there an English translation? ed At 11:05 PM 2/3/2009 +0100, Jerzy Zak wrote: --===AVGMAIL-4988C134=== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

[LUTE] Re: SLW, again

2009-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
It is absolutely mad and crazy text, I have never said such stupidities as the author relates. I see one has to be extremaly carefull about those gazetteers of popular local papers. But all in all they generated a positive movement arround Weiss and the lute. Of course this is the

[LUTE] Re: players getting better--was Trench Fill

2009-02-04 Thread Jerzy Zak
Michal, Welcome to the list! J __ On 2009-02-04, at 17:27, Michał Jasionowski wrote: 2009/2/3 [1]chriswi...@yahoo.com Unfortunately for human society, the strongest, best, most sensible evolutionary advances in any field are hopelessly pitted against an even more

[LUTE] Re: Haynes Book, was French trill?

2009-02-04 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2009-02-04, at 21:30, David Tayler wrote: BTW, the tremolo is more interesting than the vibrato in early recordings. People stopped using it. And it sure sounds better without it. I'd trade vibrato for tremolo any day. Nobody talks about that, but it is the biggest single change in

[LUTE] Re: Haynes Book, was French trill?

2009-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
Excuse me, but are we talking about some rare forgotten curiosity of someones articulation or a term on par with vibrato, considering modern termonology. Until now I thought 'tremolo' is a fast repetition of one or two notes, as in scoring (orchestration/ instrumentation) for bowed strings,

[LUTE] Re: tremolo was Tench Frill

2009-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
David, you prevailed me, you are a true visionary. J __ On 2009-02-05, at 11:30, David Tayler wrote: as strong as the rattle of dice in a box was the way it was described :) dt At 12:23 AM 2/5/2009, you wrote: On 2009-02-04, at 21:30, David Tayler wrote: BTW, the tremolo is more

[LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill

2009-02-07 Thread Jerzy Zak
Quite funny -- Karamazov (by accident of course!) in context of dilettantism on the list now... ;-)) J On 2009-02-07, at 09:55, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: ;-) Honest, Roman ? JM === 07-02-2009 01:48:26 === Musicality. RT - Original Message - From: Mark Wheeler

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread Jerzy Zak
Anthony, I'm really fascinted by your detailed analyzis of all technicall matters concerning lute construction, stringing and playing. I wish I had such an eye on all this things. But in my experience, after some 40 years of observations of teaching music playing (including my own

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2009-02-08 Thread Jerzy Zak
Karamazov and Dilettantism! Really fascinating. Is anybody brave enough to throw an exegesis on the combination? Is Karamazov a perversely hidden dilettante dressed up in attributes of great virtuoso or is he an evangelist of true and clean expression, just the instrument (a bit moded but

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread Jerzy Zak
Anthony, On 2009-02-08, at 19:16, Anthony Hind wrote: Indeed, there are signs that there were disagreements, between lutenists of past times. About the practice of using Bologna lutes... Some lutenists like Mace and Jacques Gautier, who seem to... The description by Mace of J.

[LUTE] Re: RH position, was: Dilettantism

2009-02-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
I like your comment very much. I might only add that if the sound idea is ''before'' the instrument, then in between is the hand. So, to put it a bit facetiously, if one has a 'heavy hand'', the tension of strings, and therefore a hand position, is no problem... ;-)) There is of course no

[LUTE] Re: Lost Berlin Manuscripts

2009-04-06 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Luca, Wouldn't it be more usefull to get hold of a younger publication?: Dieter Kursch, Lenz Meierott (ed.) - Berliner Lautentabulaturen in Krakau, Schott 1992. Leaving aside all the old legends from the pre-1980's, you'll get from the book detailed descriptions with incipits of all

[LUTE] Re: Lost Berlin Manuscripts

2009-04-06 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Luca, A short list of them you can see here: http://www-bnus.u-strasbg.fr/Smt/pl.htm Jurek -- Dear Luca, Wouldn't it be more usefull to get hold of a younger publication?: Dieter Kursch, Lenz Meierott (ed.) - Berliner Lautentabulaturen in Krakau, Schott 1992.

[LUTE] Erzlaute

2009-07-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
What is an Erzlaute? The other instruments pecified on the page are organ, harpsichord, violins, cello, guitar, theorbE. jz ___ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
, Roman Turovsky wrote: I think it is a contraption that inserts a metal platelet between hammers and strings, and creates a sort of a whorehouse harpsichord. It was much loved by both Dessau and Eisler. RT (fan of both) - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com To: lute

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
-10, at 00:03, Roman Turovsky wrote: I think it is a contraption that inserts a metal platelet between hammers and strings, and creates a sort of a whorehouse harpsichord. It was much loved by both Dessau and Eisler. RT (fan of both) - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2009-07-10, at 12:11, David Tayler wrote: The problem here is that single stringing is historical, .. Yeee... There are men who loves chaos, they need it to breath, to florish, in the best possible terms. Others cannot live without order, alwaye seeking knowledge and establishing

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2009-07-10, at 14:09, David van Ooijen wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Jerzy Zakjurek...@gmail.com wrote: http://tinyurl.com/muyoco Single stringing is historical ;-))) As is playing from empty scores. ;-) David That's right! I know one wired gamba player and composer(!)

[LUTE] Re: The Glogauer Liederbuch

2009-07-10 Thread Jerzy Zak
Try to contact Dr Pawel Gancarczyk pawel.gancarc...@ispan.pl from IS PAN (The Institute of Art - Polish Academy of Science) http://www.ispan.pl/eng/instituteofart.htm In his choice of publications (Wybor publikacji) you can find in English e.g.:

[LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Jerzy Zak
. It is possible. Thanks for the observation, Jurek On 2009-07-10, at 16:27, Karl-L. Eggert wrote: J, if you count the pegs on Adamo´s Lute there will be some more than 13 or 14. Karl - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Jerzy Zak
:54, Roman Turovsky wrote: The englaving is unusually precise. Look for the strange slots cut in the walls of the pegbox. especially the bass side. It sure looks like an angelique to me. RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com To: Karl-L. Eggert karl.l.egg...@t

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