subject:"\[LUTE\] Re\: Wolf Hall"

   Neumann wrote:
   and though there are no original lute pieces in it, the soundtrack
   contains many real lutes.
   (quoting the film "Bill" 2015)
   The duelling banjos track, with lute was a little bit relevant as well
   as kinda funny. Not entirely my favorite though. 6.5 out of 10.
   G.

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

   [1]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0787524/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_3

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

   I suppose this one falls in the plain nonsence cathegory?
   Rainer wrote:
   Good point.
   Whenever anything that has to do with physics or (shudder) mathematics
   appears in a movie it is normally plain nonsense.
   Of course, this doesn't matter for non-mathematicians (or physicists).
   Rainer
   OF course, I am a mathematician :)
   On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
   wrote:

 On 06.09.2017 22:05, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

 How about "A Serious Man"? :)
 [2]https://elkjerkyforthesoul.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/mathe
 matics6.jpg

 Looks OK :)
 By the way, does anybody out there know if Beethoven really couldn't
 multiply?
 I don't trust the Internet, I have 3 or 4 biographies and I can't
 remember this was mentioned.
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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall


On 06.09.2017 22:05, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

How about "A Serious Man"? :)

https://elkjerkyforthesoul.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/mathematics6.jpg


Looks OK :)

By the way, does anybody out there know if Beethoven really couldn't multiply?
I don't trust the Internet, I have 3 or 4 biographies and I can't remember this 
was mentioned.

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How about "A Serious Man"? :)

https://elkjerkyforthesoul.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/mathematics6.jpg



Am 06.09.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Rainer:



Of course, this doesn't matter for non-mathematicians (or physicists).

Rainer

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

2017-09-06 Thread theoj89294

   "A Little Chaos" (court of France's Louis' XIV, directed by the late
   Alan Rickman, 2014) would have been SOOO amazing had they invested in a
   real french style baroque lute player. Instead, the 'lute' music cameo
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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall


On 06.09.2017 21:44, Martin Shepherd wrote:

Yes - you've reminded me that one of the defects of the otherwise excellent 
"Inspector Morse" series was the total lack of accuracy (to put it mildly) in 
the portrayal of what academics do, how they teach, and the nature of their subject 
matter, whether it be cell biology, history or psychology.

Oh, and the kind of houses they can afford to live in...


Newton died rich :)

Rainer





M

On 06/09/2017 21:34, Rainer wrote:



Whenever anything that has to do with physics or (shudder) mathematics appears 
in a movie it is normally plain nonsense.

Of course, this doesn't matter for non-mathematicians (or physicists).

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

2017-09-06 Thread Steven Farrelly-Jackson

   I've always rather liked this scene from Ken Russell's The Devils.
   [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQcNkzs8bn0
   Aside from the fictional elements, any thoughts as to authenticity of
   performance?

   On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Rainer <[2]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
   wrote:

 On 06.09.2017 20:54, Sean Smith wrote:

 I think it's safe to say we pay attention to details of movies when
 they overlap our areas of specific interest.

 Good point.
 Whenever anything that has to do with physics or (shudder)
 mathematics appears in a movie it is normally plain nonsense.
 Of course, this doesn't matter for non-mathematicians (or
 physicists).
 Rainer
 OF course, I am a mathematician :)

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

2017-09-06 Thread Martin Shepherd

Yes - you've reminded me that one of the defects of the otherwise 
excellent "Inspector Morse" series was the total lack of accuracy (to 
put it mildly) in the portrayal of what academics do, how they teach, 
and the nature of their subject matter, whether it be cell biology, 
history or psychology.


Oh, and the kind of houses they can afford to live in...

M

On 06/09/2017 21:34, Rainer wrote:



Whenever anything that has to do with physics or (shudder) mathematics 
appears in a movie it is normally plain nonsense.


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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

   Yes, they used Tielman Susato for the dance numbers. There was a lot of
   other music not listed in IMDB though. And lots of lutes.

   On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
   wrote:

 On 06.09.2017 21:05, G. C. wrote:

 I see what you mean by Elgar and Mozart though :)
 [1][2]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0127536/soundtrack?ref_=tt_ql
 _trv_7

 Rondeas I and VII
 from "Dansereyr" 1551
 Shudder
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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall


On 06.09.2017 20:54, Sean Smith wrote:


I think it’s safe to say we pay attention to details of movies when they 
overlap our areas of specific interest.



Good point.

Whenever anything that has to do with physics or (shudder) mathematics appears 
in a movie it is normally plain nonsense.

Of course, this doesn't matter for non-mathematicians (or physicists).

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall


On 06.09.2017 21:05, G. C. wrote:

I see what you mean by Elgar and Mozart though :)
[1]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0127536/soundtrack?ref_=tt_ql_trv_7


Rondeas I and VII
from "Dansereyr" 1551

Shudder

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

2017-09-06 Thread Nancy Carlin

Yes, I have a friend who is a retired airline pilot and he says similar 
things about scenes showing the wrong type of cokpits.

Nancy

I think it’s safe to say we pay attention to details of movies when they 
overlap our areas of specific interest. When I started doing optics I suddenly 
noticed that every characters' eyeglasses were of neutral power unless thick 
ones were part of the plot. It may not ruin the show but I mentally tally it 
and it always helps erode the Movie Magic. If it were a movie about eyeglasses, 
however related, I’d hope more attention were given. But I’d hardly expect it.

I know, Suspension of Belief is important but I save that for the “faster than 
light travel” and “against all odds” tropes.

Sean




On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Martin Shepherd  wrote:

It's not just music.  A friend of mine who is something of an expert in 
historical costume has a thing or two to say about some horrors - though 
costume is sometimes done very well.  Another friend who makes historical glass 
will tell you that film makers won't tolerate historical (clear) glass because 
it is invisible - so incorrectly tinted glass has to be used instead.

But I agree the music thing is baffling - you'd think that even someone who knew nothing 
about music could do a bit of research to find music from the period, but apparently they 
don't bother, I suspect partly because they think of any music pre-1900 as being 
"medieval" so either they use anything at random from seven centuries of music 
of they simply use Elgar or Mozart instead.

Actually I can see that using music which is totally "unhistorical" could be very 
atmospheric, referencing as it could the "progress" of human civilization - but maybe I'm 
asking too much here.

M


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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

   At least when I visited the Santiago de Compostela Cathedral I was able
   to purchase a CD of the organ, performing Joaquin Sanchez, Domingo
   Losada, Gabriel Manalt and Manuel Gesto Garcia.

   On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Martin Shepherd <[1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk>
   wrote:

   That really is appalling when you consider the great riches of Spanish
   music by Juan del Encina, Cabezon, Guerrero, Victoria, et al - sorry
   some of these might be Portuguese!
   M
   On 06/09/2017 20:57, John Mardinly wrote:

More than movies: I recently visited the Sevilla Cathedral, where
Alonso Mudarra had been Canon from 1546-1580, and the electronic
self-guide devices had all background music from Handel's Messiah
 and
Xerxes. No Spanish renaissance music. Appalling.

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

2017-09-06 Thread mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk

Also of course Morales and Guerrero. When I visited the organist was 
playing Widor's toccata.
Monica

Original Message
From: john.mardi...@asu.edu
Date: 06/09/2017 18:57 
To: "Tristan von Neumann"<tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
Cc: "lutelist Net"<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subj: [LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

More than movies: I recently visited the Sevilla Cathedral, where
   Alonso Mudarra had been Canon from 1546-1580, and the electronic
   self-guide devices had all background music from Handel's Messiah 
and
   Xerxes. No Spanish renaissance music. Appalling.

   On Sep 6, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Tristan von Neumann
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

   Hello Rainer, and fellow cinephile Lutists,
   This is a long standing topic of mine...
   Movies mess up the music and/or historical facts nearly all the 
time...
   I wonder why that is? There's really good and authentic music for
   almost all purposes available, yet the makers choose some pseudo
   historical orchestral music, sometimes most hilariously acted as if
   played on real Renaissance instruments.
   Also, the absence of music in many scenes is irritating, where
   historical environments would certainly have had some musicians
   playing.
   However, some movies seem curiously real, though they are designed 
to
   be anachronistic.
   One of my favorites is "Bill", a Pythonesque (yet much more
   heartwarming) comedy about the dark years of Shakespeare.
   This is a must see, and though there are no original lute pieces in 
it,
   the soundtrack contains many real lutes.
   The movie is much better than "Shakespeare in Love" and much 
funnier,
   yet very respectful, and gets more facts right, for example: the 
Queen
   is already old and grumpy.
   The story is complex and extremely witty. Also, much detail is put 
into
   lesser figures. My favorite is the palace guard who comments on his
   favorite entertainment music or trumpet calls, though he can only 
hear
   them from outside the hall.
   Do not watch the trailer, or at least keep in mind that the music in 
it
   does not appear in the movie.
   Which is everyone's favourite Period Movie when it comes to well 
placed
   authentic music?
   Cheers!
   Tristan
   Am 06.09.2017 um 17:41 schrieb Rainer:

 This reminds me of "Shakespeare in Love" which I recently watched 
a
 second time on German TV - with very mixed feelings :)
 Of course there are many weird ideas. The queen would never enter 
a
 public theatre.

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

2017-09-06 Thread Martin Shepherd

That really is appalling when you consider the great riches of Spanish 
music by Juan del Encina, Cabezon, Guerrero, Victoria, et al - sorry 
some of these might be Portuguese!


M

On 06/09/2017 20:57, John Mardinly wrote:

More than movies: I recently visited the Sevilla Cathedral, where
Alonso Mudarra had been Canon from 1546-1580, and the electronic
self-guide devices had all background music from Handel's Messiah and
Xerxes. No Spanish renaissance music. Appalling.





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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

   I see what you mean by Elgar and Mozart though :)
   [1]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0127536/soundtrack?ref_=tt_ql_trv_7

   On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:54 PM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

The tv-series "The Tudor's" had fine authentic golden age music.
 So did
Elizabeth I and it's sequel
[1][3]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414055/?ref_=fn_al_ch_1a
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More than movies: I recently visited the Sevilla Cathedral, where
Alonso Mudarra had been Canon from 1546-1580, and the electronic
self-guide devices had all background music from Handel's Messiah and
Xerxes. No Spanish renaissance music. Appalling.

On Sep 6, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Tristan von Neumann
<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

Hello Rainer, and fellow cinephile Lutists,
This is a long standing topic of mine...
Movies mess up the music and/or historical facts nearly all the time...
I wonder why that is? There's really good and authentic music for
almost all purposes available, yet the makers choose some pseudo
historical orchestral music, sometimes most hilariously acted as if
played on real Renaissance instruments.
Also, the absence of music in many scenes is irritating, where
historical environments would certainly have had some musicians
playing.
However, some movies seem curiously real, though they are designed to
be anachronistic.
One of my favorites is "Bill", a Pythonesque (yet much more
heartwarming) comedy about the dark years of Shakespeare.
This is a must see, and though there are no original lute pieces in it,
the soundtrack contains many real lutes.
The movie is much better than "Shakespeare in Love" and much funnier,
yet very respectful, and gets more facts right, for example: the Queen
is already old and grumpy.
The story is complex and extremely witty. Also, much detail is put into
lesser figures. My favorite is the palace guard who comments on his
favorite entertainment music or trumpet calls, though he can only hear
them from outside the hall.
Do not watch the trailer, or at least keep in mind that the music in it
does not appear in the movie.
Which is everyone's favourite Period Movie when it comes to well placed
authentic music?
Cheers!
Tristan
Am 06.09.2017 um 17:41 schrieb Rainer:

This reminds me of "Shakespeare in Love" which I recently watched a
second time on German TV - with very mixed feelings :)
Of course there are many weird ideas. The queen would never enter a
public theatre.

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

   The tv-series "The Tudor's" had fine authentic golden age music. So did
   Elizabeth I and it's sequel
   [1]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414055/?ref_=fn_al_ch_1a
   G.

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

2017-09-06 Thread Sean Smith

I think it’s safe to say we pay attention to details of movies when they 
overlap our areas of specific interest. When I started doing optics I suddenly 
noticed that every characters' eyeglasses were of neutral power unless thick 
ones were part of the plot. It may not ruin the show but I mentally tally it 
and it always helps erode the Movie Magic. If it were a movie about eyeglasses, 
however related, I’d hope more attention were given. But I’d hardly expect it. 

I know, Suspension of Belief is important but I save that for the “faster than 
light travel” and “against all odds” tropes. 

Sean

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Martin Shepherd  wrote:
> 
> It's not just music.  A friend of mine who is something of an expert in 
> historical costume has a thing or two to say about some horrors - though 
> costume is sometimes done very well.  Another friend who makes historical 
> glass will tell you that film makers won't tolerate historical (clear) glass 
> because it is invisible - so incorrectly tinted glass has to be used instead.
> 
> But I agree the music thing is baffling - you'd think that even someone who 
> knew nothing about music could do a bit of research to find music from the 
> period, but apparently they don't bother, I suspect partly because they think 
> of any music pre-1900 as being "medieval" so either they use anything at 
> random from seven centuries of music of they simply use Elgar or Mozart 
> instead.
> 
> Actually I can see that using music which is totally "unhistorical" could be 
> very atmospheric, referencing as it could the "progress" of human 
> civilization - but maybe I'm asking too much here.
> 
> M
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

   How does Benjamin Britten's âGloriana' fall in this discussion?

   On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Martin Shepherd <[1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk>
   wrote:

   It's not just music.  A friend of mine who is something of an expert in
   historical costume has a thing or two to say about some horrors -
   though costume is sometimes done very well.  Another friend who makes
   historical glass will tell you that film makers won't tolerate
   historical (clear) glass because it is invisible - so incorrectly
   tinted glass has to be used instead.
   But I agree the music thing is baffling - you'd think that even someone
   who knew nothing about music could do a bit of research to find music
   from the period, but apparently they don't bother, I suspect partly
   because they think of any music pre-1900 as being "medieval" so either
   they use anything at random from seven centuries of music of they
   simply use Elgar or Mozart instead.
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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

2017-09-06 Thread Martin Shepherd

It's not just music.  A friend of mine who is something of an expert in 
historical costume has a thing or two to say about some horrors - though 
costume is sometimes done very well.  Another friend who makes 
historical glass will tell you that film makers won't tolerate 
historical (clear) glass because it is invisible - so incorrectly tinted 
glass has to be used instead.


But I agree the music thing is baffling - you'd think that even someone 
who knew nothing about music could do a bit of research to find music 
from the period, but apparently they don't bother, I suspect partly 
because they think of any music pre-1900 as being "medieval" so either 
they use anything at random from seven centuries of music of they simply 
use Elgar or Mozart instead.


Actually I can see that using music which is totally "unhistorical" 
could be very atmospheric, referencing as it could the "progress" of 
human civilization - but maybe I'm asking too much here.


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Thank you, that was a pretty convincing explanation.
And also very sad...

Am 06.09.2017 um 19:24 schrieb Ron Andrico:

>Movies mess up the music and/or historical facts nearly all the
time...
I wonder why that is?  - on behalf of Tristan von Neumann

In my experience, film directors and, more specifically, the large
herds of their minions are always, always, always more concerned with
images, dialogue, actions, and sounds that they think will sell to the
average viewer.   In Hollywoodland, so-called authenticity comes across
as nothing more than pedantic, which is OK for a 15 second clip now and
again.  And it's just a plain fact that music directors have very
little interest in any music they did not discover for themselves.
That's why you hear Mozart in Tudor film dramatizations, and screaming
power chords setting the tone for Louis XIV.

Besides, it's common knowledge that in order to get your music into
film, you have to be very well connected.  It rarely matters whether
the music is appropriate - or even good.

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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

2017-09-06 Thread Matthew Daillie


On 06/09/2017 19:14, Rainer wrote:

Tous les Matins du Monde?

Rainer 


French film shot in the early 90s about Marin Marais and Sainte-Colombe. 
Jordi Savall made a small fortune from the soundtrack which was also 
released on CD. Unfortunately, from what I can remember, the attempts of 
some of the actors to be competent musicians (Jean-Pierre Marielle in 
particular) were totally preposterous. The performance of the music 
itself was of a high standard.


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Tous les Matins du Monde?

Rainer

On 06.09.2017 19:01, mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Surely it has to be "Tous le matins du mond"?
The music was authentic but the plot was not.
Monica


Original Message
From: rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
Date: 06/09/2017 16:25
To: "lutelist Net"<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subj: [LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

On 06.09.2017 18:07, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

Which is everyone's favourite Period Movie when it comes to well

placed authentic music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTwkQEHBUQk

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2017-09-06 Thread mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk

Surely it has to be "Tous le matins du mond"?
The music was authentic but the plot was not.
Monica


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Date: 06/09/2017 16:25 
To: "lutelist Net"<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
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On 06.09.2017 18:07, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
> Which is everyone's favourite Period Movie when it comes to well 
placed authentic music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTwkQEHBUQk

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LOL. Thank you for that outrageous example of what I was talking about :)

But seriously, any good Renaissance music in movies?

"Your Highness" is a fantasy spoof, yet it had nice authentic 
Renaissance dances in the party scene, though nobody would have 
complained about anything in a fantasy movie.


Am 06.09.2017 um 18:25 schrieb Rainer:

On 06.09.2017 18:07, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
Which is everyone's favourite Period Movie when it comes to well 
placed authentic music?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTwkQEHBUQk





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[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall

2017-09-06 Thread Daniel Shoskes

Le Roi Danse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMvpvDjFvHA 


> On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Tristan von Neumann  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello Rainer, and fellow cinephile Lutists,
> 
> This is a long standing topic of mine...
> Movies mess up the music and/or historical facts nearly all the time...
> I wonder why that is? There's really good and authentic music for almost all 
> purposes available, yet the makers choose some pseudo historical orchestral 
> music, sometimes most hilariously acted as if played on real Renaissance 
> instruments.
> Also, the absence of music in many scenes is irritating, where historical 
> environments would certainly have had some musicians playing.
> 
> However, some movies seem curiously real, though they are designed to be 
> anachronistic.
> One of my favorites is "Bill", a Pythonesque (yet much more heartwarming) 
> comedy about the dark years of Shakespeare.
> This is a must see, and though there are no original lute pieces in it, the 
> soundtrack contains many real lutes.
> The movie is much better than "Shakespeare in Love" and much funnier, yet 
> very respectful, and gets more facts right, for example: the Queen is already 
> old and grumpy.
> The story is complex and extremely witty. Also, much detail is put into 
> lesser figures. My favorite is the palace guard who comments on his favorite 
> entertainment music or trumpet calls, though he can only hear them from 
> outside the hall.
> Do not watch the trailer, or at least keep in mind that the music in it does 
> not appear in the movie.
> 
> Which is everyone's favourite Period Movie when it comes to well placed 
> authentic music?
> 
> Cheers!
> Tristan
> 
> Am 06.09.2017 um 17:41 schrieb Rainer:
> 
>> This reminds me of "Shakespeare in Love" which I recently watched a second 
>> time on German TV - with very mixed feelings :)
>> Of course there are many weird ideas. The queen would never enter a public 
>> theatre.
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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On 06.09.2017 18:07, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

Which is everyone's favourite Period Movie when it comes to well placed 
authentic music?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTwkQEHBUQk

Rainer




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Hello Ido,

this might be of interest to you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYiYd9RcK5M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-rejaoP7U

Cheers!
Tristan

Am 06.09.2017 um 18:18 schrieb Ido Shdaimah:

Still waiting for a movie that uses historical forms of English, with
correct pronunciation. Wouldn't it be wonderful to experience the
Canterbury Tales visually whilst hearing the original Middle English?

On Sep 6, 2017 19:08, "Tristan von Neumann"
<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:






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2017-09-06 Thread Ido Shdaimah

   Still waiting for a movie that uses historical forms of English, with
   correct pronunciation. Wouldn't it be wonderful to experience the
   Canterbury Tales visually whilst hearing the original Middle English?

   On Sep 6, 2017 19:08, "Tristan von Neumann"
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

 Hello Rainer, and fellow cinephile Lutists,
 This is a long standing topic of mine...
 Movies mess up the music and/or historical facts nearly all the
 time...
 I wonder why that is? There's really good and authentic music for
 almost all purposes available, yet the makers choose some pseudo
 historical orchestral music, sometimes most hilariously acted as if
 played on real Renaissance instruments.
 Also, the absence of music in many scenes is irritating, where
 historical environments would certainly have had some musicians
 playing.
 However, some movies seem curiously real, though they are designed
 to be anachronistic.
 One of my favorites is "Bill", a Pythonesque (yet much more
 heartwarming) comedy about the dark years of Shakespeare.
 This is a must see, and though there are no original lute pieces in
 it, the soundtrack contains many real lutes.
 The movie is much better than "Shakespeare in Love" and much
 funnier, yet very respectful, and gets more facts right, for
 example: the Queen is already old and grumpy.
 The story is complex and extremely witty. Also, much detail is put
 into lesser figures. My favorite is the palace guard who comments on
 his favorite entertainment music or trumpet calls, though he can
 only hear them from outside the hall.
 Do not watch the trailer, or at least keep in mind that the music in
 it does not appear in the movie.
 Which is everyone's favourite Period Movie when it comes to well
 placed authentic music?
 Cheers!
 Tristan
 Am 06.09.2017 um 17:41 schrieb Rainer:

 This reminds me of "Shakespeare in Love" which I recently watched a
 second time on German TV - with very mixed feelings :)
 Of course there are many weird ideas. The queen would never enter a
 public theatre.

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Hello Rainer, and fellow cinephile Lutists,

This is a long standing topic of mine...
Movies mess up the music and/or historical facts nearly all the time...
I wonder why that is? There's really good and authentic music for almost 
all purposes available, yet the makers choose some pseudo historical 
orchestral music, sometimes most hilariously acted as if played on real 
Renaissance instruments.
Also, the absence of music in many scenes is irritating, where 
historical environments would certainly have had some musicians playing.


However, some movies seem curiously real, though they are designed to be 
anachronistic.
One of my favorites is "Bill", a Pythonesque (yet much more 
heartwarming) comedy about the dark years of Shakespeare.
This is a must see, and though there are no original lute pieces in it, 
the soundtrack contains many real lutes.
The movie is much better than "Shakespeare in Love" and much funnier, 
yet very respectful, and gets more facts right, for example: the Queen 
is already old and grumpy.
The story is complex and extremely witty. Also, much detail is put into 
lesser figures. My favorite is the palace guard who comments on his 
favorite entertainment music or trumpet calls, though he can only hear 
them from outside the hall.
Do not watch the trailer, or at least keep in mind that the music in it 
does not appear in the movie.


Which is everyone's favourite Period Movie when it comes to well placed 
authentic music?


Cheers!
Tristan

Am 06.09.2017 um 17:41 schrieb Rainer:



This reminds me of "Shakespeare in Love" which I recently watched a 
second time on German TV - with very mixed feelings :)


Of course there are many weird ideas. The queen would never enter a 
public theatre.







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