I'd be glad to know what real priorities are.
Ohem feature request time? ;-)
I'd really like to have xfig figures "native" support. I already had a
look at the figinset stuff, but hacking around there is clearly beyond
my abilities...
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mean it, but it's Friday
anyway ;-)
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be dropped entirely at some point in the future.
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ideas?
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d job for
the things I need to do: write texts with math. But I won't stop
complaining either since I don't like to see valuable resources
(the developer's - i.e. YOUR! - work) wasted.
Andre'
PS: It's Friday, you know ;-)
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This works for me.
That's what it says on the webpage, but I tried last night and it didn't
work.
I had the same problem a couple of days ago.
After I removed ~/.cvspass and the old lyx sources on my harddisk
everything worked fine (don't ask me why, I don't know).
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at the actual lyx sources? I doubt it ;-)
It's far more difficult than it ought to be given the structured nature
of the "data"...
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It probably should point to '../resources'
PPS: Is there an "official" effort to convert LyX to the STL?
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The attached patch adds a new 'command' called
[[ Aerm... sorry... I should learn to handle Pine... ]]
'command-sequence'
This allows a key sequence to be bound to a seqeunce of other lyx-commands
Example:
\bind "F12" "command-sequence math-insert alpha; math-insert beta;"
Every single
, let's be a little productive instead, huh?
I knew it was Friday ;-)
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experience with GUI stuff, so I fear I am not
the right person for fiddling with menus. I'll have a look at the
roadmap, maybe I find something that fits better.
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linked against this kernel lib.
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everything' method does not work at all for complicated dialogs...
Anyway, all the time I wonder how the development should proceed. Moving
around large chunks of code in a code base full of dependencies is No Fun...
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://www.snafu.de/~wehe/data_conv.html
Or sue MicroSoft to disclose their APIs ;-)
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a \varepsilon, they have to type
\varepsilon and they will see a nicely rendered \varepsilon, since the
font happens to know this one. On paper you get what you asked for.
IMO this is much cleaner than the current 'let LyX try to be smart' solution.
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t always annoyed
me that LyX didn't display it ;-)
What's wrong then with the 'clean solution'? You type a \varepsilon,
you see a \varepsilon, you get a \varepsilon?
Regards,
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Since I have never used a few of the functions I had to change
I'd like to ask you to apply it and test it with your own docs.
Any comment is welcome.
Regards,
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ve_as file.tex " to get a conversion)
After two hours of head scratching I gave up. I have not found out how
all these classes relate to each other and I still don't know why this
pile of spaghetti is needed at all ;-)
So if anybody could help...
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to work (assuming your X is running of course).
Andre'
PS: Is there a one-to-one correspondence between mini-buffers and
anything else?
PPS: Using the -nw commandline option segfaults every version of LyX
hanging around on my harddisk...
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tion until I sit down (under the
influence of alcoholic beverage) to write it up on Sunday evening...
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. Maybe you could write down step by
step what you are doing. You don't try to run LaTeX directly on the .lyx
file, do you? That's not possible (well, at least you don't get good
results ;-) )
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LyX files are _not_ LaTeX format or even remotely LaTeX compatible.
Maybe we should put a line into the header of .lyx file saying exactly
that. .lyx files look a bit .tex-ish, don't they?
And now that the 'created by' line is gone we've got even some space to
waste ;---)
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'...
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*.
That's what Mondays are for!
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Compliments, what compliments? Those were very (not so) subtle jokes and
you didn't notice.
Jokes on a Friday? Come on, Jose', you should know better!
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contains the code that is
necessary to get the feature working. Since it does not remove anything
I am fairly sure that I did not break anything.
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everything into {}. Otherwise it is taken care of 'automatically' ;-)
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ming of the internal functions is currently such a mess that I don't
want to make this directly known to the user.
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port foo translates directly to --execute "buffer-export foo"
already.
Maybe I should have stressed this a bit more in my 'announcement'...
So cheer up, boys, and ask Santa for something else ;-)
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Oh I see. In this case, could you put i586 instead of i386 in the name,
please?
Why should one put 'i586' into the name of a package that is supposed to
work on the i386 architecture?
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is well supported we can then generalise ie. walk before we
can run.
Allan. (ARRae)
Well. You do not need to run once you've learned how to fly ;-)
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of you ;-)
It's just one of your virtual lifes that you are losing ;-)
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Yup. Even more sense in an XML world.
How would a LyX file format look like in an XML world?
Something like MathML? Anybody with working experience?
Does anybody know of a .tex - .mml translator?
Andre'
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It looks like
http://www.tug.org/applications/tex4ht/mn.html
could be quite helpful...
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If this lyx DTD is close to that used by TeX4ht, somebody else has done
the work already ;-)
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directory src/kernel. There's a very good design doc there also -- I
think Asger has this on his web site as well.
I can't find the included .eps picture. ANy idea?
Andre'
PS: I am really sorry if I sounded too harsh (again) yesterday.
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. (is caught by LyX, but anyway...)
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o a few
other places as well...
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In lastfile.[Ch]. Both of the could go IMO since they are not used
anywhere else. It's pure bloat.
Actually I think num_files could go as well since it can be obtained
by calling files.size().
Should I prepare a patch?
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PS: External 8bit is another matter... Interoperation...
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the remaining 8-space indentation to
tabs. Does this sound wrong?
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Lars Is this also treu after reading the file again? What keynap are
This is about the third or fourth mail from Lars that gets cited in the
list although I did not receive the original. Since the question looks
like Lars asked me (it was my problem) I should have received at least
one copy,
And another two responses from Lars missed...
Concerning 'lastfile.[Ch]'. I see no obvious reason to have an arbitrary
upper limit on the number of lastfiles. If anybody wants to have 50
files - let him have it. The menu is not in sync with the
implementation of LastFiles anyway...
If you drop
I tried it in wine but it does not even want to start.
*shrug*.
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of virtual memory. The gcc/egcs faq has very 'helpful' recommendations:
Optimize less (or dont't optimize at all), use only small
functions.
Well. The second part *is* helpful...
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So you'd like to ditch the giant switch statement and replace it with a
function table instead? A vector indexed by function number or a hash_map
perhaps? This is easy enough to implement.
And could have some more advantages. You could 'register' new functions
at run time. You do not need a
And could have some more advantages. You could 'register' new functions
at run time. You do not need a monolithic 2MB+ binary when you
use only 10% of the functionality.
Just load 'modules' dynamically on demand...
Gawd, I wish I knew how to code that! If I did, I'd contribute
I just had a look on what happened during the last two weeks.
One question: Why do we need a 'new' in support/filetools.C:326?
Couldn't this be replaced by a simple putenv(envstr.c_str()) ?
The man page mentions ENOMEM. I'd take that as a hint that LyX does not
need to alloc memory itself...
First of all I have to thank all of you for your work on LyX.
Well, this may sound a bit strange for those used to my usual statements,
but I am quite serious. Yesterday when I came home I found my girlfriend
fiddling with the German ,,version`` of LyX preparing slides for a
lecture she is
I just checked out the latest CVS, started autogen.sh and got
the following message
automake: src/mathed/Makefile.am: `libmathed.o' is not a standard libtool
library name
The same for libinsets.o.
make afterwards complains about finding "no rule to make target
`support/libsupport.o' needed by
while (...)
if (...)
...;
else
...;
looks *very* suspicious to me. I'd definitely add braces around if-else.
Difficult to check when compiling does not work, though...
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Can't remember if someone mentioned this already:
The current CVS does not compile (for me).
Spacing.h:
using std::istringstream;
How is this supposed to work if no sstream.h is present? Shouldn't this
line be moved up a couple of lines?
Andre'
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After much sporadic thought on the subject I've decided that Alejandro was
right. We shouldn't have a Communicator class but do everything with
lyxfuncs.
Fine ;-)
How do we define/interpret property strings?
objectname prop1="" prop2="..." ... /
I have started fiddling around with a new 'XMLish' file format.
Currently the writer is about 60% done (at least float and tables
are broken), the reader perhaps 20%.
I'd like to hear your comments and suggestions especially about syntax
and style. I've "translated" (well, my current built of
http://freshmeat.net/appindex/1999/12/09/944757708.html
Looks interesting. And it's LGPL'd ...
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Apart from HTML 4.0, Mnemonic will support the W3C standards XML and
CSS, which are both handled in some form already in the current
version (though please do not expect miracles yet). There will also be
support for mathematics typesetting in the form of MathML and TeX. The
user interface is
Why don't we - as a kind of publicity gag and to attract more users and
developers - prepare some blurb/project in this field and claim
compliance?
I surely do not want to claim anything I can't deliver. Even as a 'kind
of publicity gag'.
Andre'
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three + my weight against two ;-)
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I'm sure Lgb can find a way to exempt in this case.
Be warned though, beer is NOT cheap in Norway.
Can't we make it a free weekend by borrowing in advance from the money we're
going to make on the IPO of LyX, Inc.?
I fear even a good IPO of LyX, Inc. won't make enough money for a full
Silly question, what is that string::npos?
This is the index of the last character in the string plus one.
At least I think so ;-)
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On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 03:58:02PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
| + for (int i = 0; i datetmp_len; i++) {
In C++ it is adviced to use preincrement instead of postincrement:
Could anyone please enlighten me and tell me why preincrement is preferred
over postincrement?
Do the other developers fell that way?
I answer the question 'do others feel that way':
Yes. C is poison in a C++ project.
Andre'
PS: I wonder why LyX isn't dead ;-)
PPS: Lars, I still don't get your mails because of your ø in the From: header
I believe there is a way to specify encoding
This is the call to gs but what will happen next if that is succesful?
Gs takes over and will die sooner or later. A couple of lines above the
execlp the process was 'fork'ed, and the parent (the 'real' LyX proCess)
lives on in the other branch (pid != 0).
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In other hand... Why LyX uses a specific file format for the document?
Because nobody did the work to implement something else.
I know the controversy on using tex as a primary file format, but... Why
not to use other file format wide used as XML? So you can use libs for
manipulating it
I have difficulties to contact www.lyx.org and www.devel.lyx.org for a
couple of days now. All DNS servers around insist that these are non-existent
domains. On the other hand I found that www.lyx.*com* is registered by
someone I don't know (Start.co.uk PLC).
That's a bit peculiar, isn't it?
The intent is to avoid the pressure on releasing new lyx versions
because of bugs. I'm not sure yet on the naming scheme (1.1.4+,
1.1.4.1, 1.1.4fix1...).
1.1.4fix1 would fit best into the ...pre... naming scheme...
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The string interface is too simple for the kind of information that should
be passed around.
What kind of information can not be passed around as strings?
We have considered extending the string interface
with various ways of encoding the information, but that would require
slow and
You argue that debugging is important. Three words: Debugging is boring.
I know. But sometimes necessary. Not that I try to code poorly just to
have the fun of debugging ;-|
If we use XTL, there will be less debugging than if we have to write
our own parser. Just take a look at any parser
is at easy if it can possibly get. But maybe you are right and XTL is
Read:
..is as easy as it ...
I think I'll have another beer to get sober...
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reLyX man page, the current reLyX BUGS page, or the reLyX section of the
User's Guide (which is currently very small). The last seems like the place
most likely to be read by people who have a problem. The bad news, as I
I think, the man page is a better place. That's the place where I'd
I don't know. How can reLyX tell that it's a \protect that LyX put in, and
not one that the coder put in?
Urmh... would the following work?
Put \def\lyxprotect{\protect} in the preamble and use '\lyxprotect' for
the 'helpers'. reLyX could then ignore \lyxprotect and copy \protect...
Andre'
We should have registered the LyX trademark. Unfortunately that costs.
Well... I'd offer 50 DM (around US $25 nowadays) if this could help
somehow. But transfering money is expensive too... I think I have the
equivalent in British Pounds and French Franc as well, but I've never
seen a Finnish
I tried to use the mingw32 environment on Win98, too to produce a real
Win-Executable.
*scratch head* I'd like to try that, too... but:
How does one specify the usage of a certain compiler when running ./configure?
For my own project I use mingw32 for crosscompiling from Linux to
Windows,
I wonder how the weather looks like in Norway in early June.
Warm enough to sleep in a tent even if you have two X chromosomes?
Andre'
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I'd like to use development/Code_rules in some modified version for
internal (more or less educational) purposes. I would of course include a
small header concerning the origin of the document.
Does anybody feel that this is not a good thing do?
Andre'
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I'm another LyX beginner whit a lot of questions and few C++ programming =
knowledge. I want to know if I can import raster graphics into Lyx. I =
did't found this option on the "insert image" tool.
You can convert your images to eps using various tools and include the
resulting eps (gimp,
I thought about this before, it would be nice for the wishlist to have the
ability to insert any gfx file and have it converted to either ps or eps
automagically ;-)
It has been on my own wish list for a long time, too.
But the usual 'problems' keep popping up: no time, no fun,
and anything
Is it true that there is no lyxfunc that simply inserts its argument as
text in the current buffer (similar to the behaviour of LFUN_UNKNOWN_ACTION?
Or am I just optically chaleenged?
Andre'
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Amir autogen.sh should test automake's version. 1.3 doesn't
Amir understand the "-c" option, so it fails saying it didn't find
Amir automake.
Autogen.sh is supposed to be used by developpers, which in turn are
supposed to check what tools they have installed. Nuff' said.
*grin* Friday
Type
Ctrl-M \mathrm\frac n down m
Preview dvi - everything ok.
Save, quit, restart lyx, reload file - \mathrm is gone.
I had a quick look around in mathed. Well... I have no clue.
Andre'
PS: It wasn't me who found this behaviour...
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I just tried again to get 'guiless LyX' running (for batch things like
--export latex etc).
Currently the main obstacle is the relation between buffers and paragraphs.
Usually when we are doing something big with buffers (like exporting to
LaTeX) we do something on buffer level, hit the
Guess what ;-)
I am playing around with a Buffer * member in LyXParagraph and it works
fairly smooth until it comes to insets that need buffer-level
information like InsetQuotes (needs the languages).
I know that there are plans to have paragraph level language support
within the next couple
Shouldn't this be a Buffer method?
Andre'
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No, because it needs cursor position
No, it needs a single character from a certain paragraph.
The cursor position is just a means to get that paragraph
(and not a nice one I'd add..)
which is at the BufferView level.
The method is used just once (in trans_mgr.C). And there it is clear
which
Bigger problem: Lars is currently trying to nuke current_view.
From what I've seen today this sounds very reasonable. The only problem
I can see is that our changes clash. But I am used to this already ;-)
Andre'
PS: I don't get mails from Lars since our mailserver rejects plain
'ø' in mail
This mean that there are many necessary updates when doing copy/paste.
Ok. I just figured out that the mass of insets does not want to know
about their whereabouts, so it's probably not wise to tell them.
I think it would suffice to handle the quotes inset seperately.
Andre'
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It's possible. Have a look at
http://mathematik.htwm.de/Software/LyX/nogui.html
This page mentions some things that are broken. With one exception they
don't affect 'ordinary' usage of LyX (at least I hope so).
Andre'
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I just run 'cvs update' but it seems something went wrong.
The and marks that used to mark clashes are not balanced, so I
can't tell what needs fixing. Furthermore some functions are broken
(something like
func1(...)
{
for (...)
func2(...)
{
without closing braces.
I think it should
It's possible. Have a look at
http://mathematik.htwm.de/Software/LyX/nogui.html
Thanks to my inability to handle CVS and 'patch' I re-did part of the
patch this morning but I left out the things I broke yesterday so the
patch should not change any current behaviour of LyX. It rather
I think it would be cleaner if we had a global LyXFunc object that
gets BufferView and Minibuffer pointer/ref passed to Dispatch.
The current use of owner-view() (442 times) and owner-GetMiniBuffer()
(78 times) and no other use of 'owner' suggests that 'owner' is not the
thing that's actually
- it would be better to use buffer() instead of buffer_ in paragraph.C
(personnal preference).
Sure.
- in LyXFont::getXFontstruct(), it would be better to return a static
default XFontStruct when there is no gui, this would avoid most of the
special code. It might be even better
shouldn't we have another command line option for this,
Probably.
or you are waiting for the full implementation?
More or less, yes. I do not want the patch rejected for cosmetical
issues. Remember the discussion of --export/--execute...
I don't disagree with the resource entry
I attach a small patch to insets/figinset.C. It just uses
std::vectorFigref * instead of Figref** and similar
std::vectorfigdata * instead of figdata** and removes about 70
lines of 'not so C++ish' code.
Andre'
snip -
Index:
Therefore I
would like to suggest that the LyX webmaster includes a pointer to Sylvans
repository possibly directly on the homepage or at least at a prominent place.
Seconded ;-)
Andre'
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You probably remember Wolfgang Riedel's report on a strange feature:
You can write \mathrm{\frac{m}{s}} and everything works as expected until
the file is reloaded (in the next session e.g.). Then the \mathrm is
gone. If you use \frac{\mathrm{m}}{\mathrm{s}} everything stays alright.
This
I found a bug that can be reproduced as shown below:
I can confirm this for a fairly recent 1.1.5cvs.
Maybe it is time to add a big warning to 1.1.4 and refer people to older
versions...
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buffer.C:3270: Please submit a full bug report.
buffer.C:3270: See URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/bugs.html for
buffer.C:3270: instructions.
make[3]: *** [buffer.o] Error 1
gcc version is
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/2.96/specs
gcc version 2.96 2312
Should we be on it?
*shrug* ... spread the word I'd say.
Andre'
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