Re: missing documentation ...?

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Robert Orr wrote: I cant see why one would set both. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but, for instance,when experimenting to get the image just right one might enter both the H and W and some point during the process. So, if one enters both an H and a W parameter,

Re: keyboard customization

found the solution thanks to charles! put \usepackage{eurosym} in your preamble. you can then use \euro{} or \EUR{1000}... there are options and other commands described in the documentation. mamato On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm having problems with

Re: width of table

i am already setting a fixed width. the problem is that using 100 with text%, col%, page% and line% never uses the width i'd expect (ie the same as the surrounding text). mamato On 12/8/05, Paul A. Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how can i make a table who's

Re: width of table

sorry, it wasn't clear in the latter mails, i'm talking about tables... (i'm currently not able to resize images since i dont have imagemagick... even though it's possible with plain (pdf)latex and most file formats :/ ) mamato On 12/13/05, Johan Ingvast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Stephen Harris wrote: - Original Message - From: Enrico Forestieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] because I think it is

Re: width of table

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am already setting a fixed width. the problem is that using 100 with text%, col%, page% and line% never uses the width i'd expect (ie the same as the surrounding text). The problem is that you can't set the width of a table. You're setting the width of a column,

Re: Bibliography problem

K. Elo wrote: and the following is the reason why a \url in the bib file is not needed, because the bst file does it already ... FUNCTION {format.url} { url empty$ { } { \url{ url * } * } if$ } Well, this is already clear to me. I do not think so As I mentioned, I have made

Re: missing documentation ...?

Hi Martin On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: that is pretty clear. now, it would be nice if your explanation was part of the documentation! I didn't follow this thread to closely, but something that may help others is to the information to some of the wiki pages. Perhaps one of

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Formally, that's the PATH environment variable. To be honest, I don't think that I check the contents of this variable when generating the contents of \path_prefix. Clearly I should have Angus, you did a wonderful job. I saw people which started using

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:54 AM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Stephen Harris wrote: - Original Message - From: Enrico Forestieri

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Enrico Forestieri wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Formally, that's the PATH environment variable. To be honest, I don't think that I check the contents of this variable when generating the contents of \path_prefix. Clearly I should have Angus, you did a wonderful job. I

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Stephen Harris wrote: On my computer, the contents of \path_prefix are a subset of the Windows PATH environment variable because I've manually added them. Checking the contents of PATH and comparing it to LyX's \path_prefix to determine accuracy seems awfully smart, like AI. The installer

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: Enrico Forestieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Formally, that's the PATH

[Completely O-T] Re: There's Something About Textclass.ls

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Angus Leeming wrote: That's exactly what I mean. The best laid plans of mice and men..., Stephen The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, Gang aft agley, An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain, For promis'd joy! Still, thou art blest, compar'd wi' me! The

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Stephen Harris wrote: On my computer, the contents of \path_prefix are a

Re: Bibliography problem

Hi, Herbert Voss, 13.12.2005 15:28: yes, \url is only valid with a \usepackage{url} that's all. Well, can you then explain one thing to me: I have a 30-page scientific article written with LyX using the same test.bst I mailed to you. The preamble of this document is _empty_, i.e. no

Re: Bibliography problem

K. Elo wrote: yes, \url is only valid with a \usepackage{url} that's all. Well, can you then explain one thing to me: I have a 30-page scientific article written with LyX using the same test.bst I mailed to you. The preamble of this document is _empty_, i.e. no \usepackage{url} and there

Decimalcomma instead of decimalpoint

How can I automatically get a decimal comma instead of a decimal point in math environments? I've tried \AtBeginDocument{\def\extrasspanish{}} and even \DeclareMathSymbol{,}{\mathpunct}{letters}{3B} \DeclareMathSymbol{.}{\mathord}{letters}{3B} \DeclareMathSymbol{\decimal}{\mathord}{letters}{3A}

Re: Decimalcomma instead of decimalpoint

How can I automatically get a decimal comma instead of a decimal point in math environments? I've tried \AtBeginDocument{\def\extrasspanish{}} and even \DeclareMathSymbol{,}{\mathpunct}{letters}{3B} \DeclareMathSymbol{.}{\mathord}{letters}{3B}

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Stephen Harris wrote: The installer searches the Registry in various ways in order to find the whereabouts of sh.exe, gswinc.exe, python.exe, etc. It's blindingly obvious that it should first ascertain whether these things are already in the PATH. Never mind ;-) By which I meant that I should

Re: width of table

Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am already setting a fixed width. the problem is that using 100 with text%, col%, page% and line% never uses the width i'd expect (ie the same as the surrounding text). [...] For a single-column table, don't set the

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish I were smarter so that it would be blindingly obvious to me too. I envision four(5) scenarios: I see that Angus already answered your questions. I think that your doubts are due to a misconception of the PATH. Please, have a look here

LyX 1.3.7pre5 some progress in diagnosis

I made my way to the backup computer for testing and noticed that LyX1.3.7pre4 was installed on it, and I hadn't fixed it with sh.exe configure. So I uninstalled it and installed 137pre5 and it installed in both C:\LyX and in C:\Program files\LyX just fine. Both installs did exhibit the extra

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:41 PM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Think of both the registry and the PATH environment variable as simply *hints*

Re: Bibliography problem

Hi, thanks for your explanations, they have been helpful. I have now exported the article I mentioned and the .tex preamble looks like this: --- cut here --- \documentclass[a4paper]{report} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} \setcounter{secnumdepth}{3}

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: Enrico Forestieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish I were smarter so that it

Re: missing documentation ...?

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Robert Orr wrote: I cant see why one would set both. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but, for instance,when experimenting to get the image just right one might enter both the H and W and some point during the process. So, if one enters both an H and a W parameter,

Re: keyboard customization

found the solution thanks to charles! put \usepackage{eurosym} in your preamble. you can then use \euro{} or \EUR{1000}... there are options and other commands described in the documentation. mamato On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm having problems with

Re: width of table

i am already setting a fixed width. the problem is that using 100 with text%, col%, page% and line% never uses the width i'd expect (ie the same as the surrounding text). mamato On 12/8/05, Paul A. Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how can i make a table who's

Re: width of table

sorry, it wasn't clear in the latter mails, i'm talking about tables... (i'm currently not able to resize images since i dont have imagemagick... even though it's possible with plain (pdf)latex and most file formats :/ ) mamato On 12/13/05, Johan Ingvast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Stephen Harris wrote: - Original Message - From: Enrico Forestieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] because I think it is

Re: width of table

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am already setting a fixed width. the problem is that using 100 with text%, col%, page% and line% never uses the width i'd expect (ie the same as the surrounding text). The problem is that you can't set the width of a table. You're setting the width of a column,

Re: Bibliography problem

K. Elo wrote: and the following is the reason why a \url in the bib file is not needed, because the bst file does it already ... FUNCTION {format.url} { url empty$ { } { \url{ url * } * } if$ } Well, this is already clear to me. I do not think so As I mentioned, I have made

Re: missing documentation ...?

Hi Martin On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: that is pretty clear. now, it would be nice if your explanation was part of the documentation! I didn't follow this thread to closely, but something that may help others is to the information to some of the wiki pages. Perhaps one of

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Formally, that's the PATH environment variable. To be honest, I don't think that I check the contents of this variable when generating the contents of \path_prefix. Clearly I should have Angus, you did a wonderful job. I saw people which started using

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:54 AM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Stephen Harris wrote: - Original Message - From: Enrico Forestieri

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Enrico Forestieri wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Formally, that's the PATH environment variable. To be honest, I don't think that I check the contents of this variable when generating the contents of \path_prefix. Clearly I should have Angus, you did a wonderful job. I

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Stephen Harris wrote: On my computer, the contents of \path_prefix are a subset of the Windows PATH environment variable because I've manually added them. Checking the contents of PATH and comparing it to LyX's \path_prefix to determine accuracy seems awfully smart, like AI. The installer

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: Enrico Forestieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Formally, that's the PATH

[Completely O-T] Re: There's Something About Textclass.ls

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Angus Leeming wrote: That's exactly what I mean. The best laid plans of mice and men..., Stephen The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, Gang aft agley, An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain, For promis'd joy! Still, thou art blest, compar'd wi' me! The

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Stephen Harris wrote: On my computer, the contents of \path_prefix are a

Re: Bibliography problem

Hi, Herbert Voss, 13.12.2005 15:28: yes, \url is only valid with a \usepackage{url} that's all. Well, can you then explain one thing to me: I have a 30-page scientific article written with LyX using the same test.bst I mailed to you. The preamble of this document is _empty_, i.e. no

Re: Bibliography problem

K. Elo wrote: yes, \url is only valid with a \usepackage{url} that's all. Well, can you then explain one thing to me: I have a 30-page scientific article written with LyX using the same test.bst I mailed to you. The preamble of this document is _empty_, i.e. no \usepackage{url} and there

Decimalcomma instead of decimalpoint

How can I automatically get a decimal comma instead of a decimal point in math environments? I've tried \AtBeginDocument{\def\extrasspanish{}} and even \DeclareMathSymbol{,}{\mathpunct}{letters}{3B} \DeclareMathSymbol{.}{\mathord}{letters}{3B} \DeclareMathSymbol{\decimal}{\mathord}{letters}{3A}

Re: Decimalcomma instead of decimalpoint

How can I automatically get a decimal comma instead of a decimal point in math environments? I've tried \AtBeginDocument{\def\extrasspanish{}} and even \DeclareMathSymbol{,}{\mathpunct}{letters}{3B} \DeclareMathSymbol{.}{\mathord}{letters}{3B}

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Stephen Harris wrote: The installer searches the Registry in various ways in order to find the whereabouts of sh.exe, gswinc.exe, python.exe, etc. It's blindingly obvious that it should first ascertain whether these things are already in the PATH. Never mind ;-) By which I meant that I should

Re: width of table

Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am already setting a fixed width. the problem is that using 100 with text%, col%, page% and line% never uses the width i'd expect (ie the same as the surrounding text). [...] For a single-column table, don't set the

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish I were smarter so that it would be blindingly obvious to me too. I envision four(5) scenarios: I see that Angus already answered your questions. I think that your doubts are due to a misconception of the PATH. Please, have a look here

LyX 1.3.7pre5 some progress in diagnosis

I made my way to the backup computer for testing and noticed that LyX1.3.7pre4 was installed on it, and I hadn't fixed it with sh.exe configure. So I uninstalled it and installed 137pre5 and it installed in both C:\LyX and in C:\Program files\LyX just fine. Both installs did exhibit the extra

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:41 PM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Think of both the registry and the PATH environment variable as simply *hints*

Re: Bibliography problem

Hi, thanks for your explanations, they have been helpful. I have now exported the article I mentioned and the .tex preamble looks like this: --- cut here --- \documentclass[a4paper]{report} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} \setcounter{secnumdepth}{3}

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: Enrico Forestieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish I were smarter so that it

Re: missing documentation ...?

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Robert Orr wrote: I cant see why one would set both. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but, for instance,when experimenting to get the image just right one might enter both the H and W and some point during the process. So, if one enters both an H and a W parameter,

Re: keyboard customization

found the solution thanks to charles! put \usepackage{eurosym} in your preamble. you can then use \euro{} or \EUR{1000}... there are options and other commands described in the documentation. mamato On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i'm having problems with

Re: width of table

i am already setting a fixed width. the problem is that using 100 with text%, col%, page% and line% never uses the width i'd expect (ie the same as the surrounding text). mamato On 12/8/05, Paul A. Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > how can i make a table

Re: width of table

sorry, it wasn't clear in the latter mails, i'm talking about tables... (i'm currently not able to resize images since i dont have imagemagick... even though it's possible with plain (pdf)latex and most file formats :/ ) mamato On 12/13/05, Johan Ingvast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Stephen Harris wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Enrico Forestieri" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: > Sent: Monday, > December 12, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: There's Something About > Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] > > >>>

Re: width of table

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am already setting a fixed width. the problem is that using 100 with text%, col%, page% and line% never uses the width i'd expect (ie the same as the surrounding text). The problem is that you can't set the width of a table. You're setting the width of a column,

Re: Bibliography problem

K. Elo wrote: and the following is the reason why a \url in the bib file is not needed, because the bst file does it already ... FUNCTION {format.url} { url empty$ { "" } { "\url{" url * "}" * } if$ } Well, this is already clear to me. I do not think so As I mentioned, I have

Re: missing documentation ...?

Hi Martin On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Martin A. Hansen wrote: > that is pretty clear. now, it would be nice if your explanation was part of > the documentation! I didn't follow this thread to closely, but something that may help others is to the information to some of the wiki pages. Perhaps one of

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Formally, that's the PATH environment variable. To be honest, I don't think > that I check the contents of this variable when generating the contents of > \path_prefix. Clearly I should have Angus, you did a wonderful job. I saw people which started

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: "Angus Leeming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:54 AM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Stephen Harris wrote: - Original Message - From: "Enrico

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Enrico Forestieri wrote: > Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Formally, that's the PATH environment variable. To be honest, I don't >> think that I check the contents of this variable when generating the >> contents of \path_prefix. Clearly I should have > > Angus, you did a

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Stephen Harris wrote: > On my computer, the contents of \path_prefix are a subset of the > Windows PATH environment variable because I've manually added > them. Checking the contents of PATH and comparing it to LyX's > \path_prefix to determine accuracy seems awfully smart, like AI. The installer

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: "Enrico Forestieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Formally, that's the PATH

[Completely O-T] Re: There's Something About Textclass.ls

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Angus Leeming wrote: > That's exactly what I mean. > > > The best laid plans of mice and men..., > > Stephen > > The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, > Gang aft agley, > An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain, > For promis'd joy! > > Still, thou art blest, compar'd wi'

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: "Angus Leeming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Stephen Harris wrote: On my computer, the contents of \path_prefix are

Re: Bibliography problem

Hi, Herbert Voss, 13.12.2005 15:28: > yes, > \url is only valid with a \usepackage{url} that's all. Well, can you then explain one thing to me: I have a 30-page scientific article written with LyX using the same test.bst I mailed to you. The preamble of this document is _empty_, i.e. no

Re: Bibliography problem

K. Elo wrote: yes, \url is only valid with a \usepackage{url} that's all. Well, can you then explain one thing to me: I have a 30-page scientific article written with LyX using the same test.bst I mailed to you. The preamble of this document is _empty_, i.e. no \usepackage{url} and there

Decimalcomma instead of decimalpoint

How can I automatically get a decimal comma instead of a decimal point in math environments? I've tried \AtBeginDocument{\def\extrasspanish{}} and even \DeclareMathSymbol{,}{\mathpunct}{letters}{"3B} \DeclareMathSymbol{.}{\mathord}{letters}{"3B}

Re: Decimalcomma instead of decimalpoint

> How can I automatically get a decimal comma instead of a decimal point in > math environments? > > I've tried > \AtBeginDocument{\def\extrasspanish{}} > > and even > \DeclareMathSymbol{,}{\mathpunct}{letters}{"3B} > \DeclareMathSymbol{.}{\mathord}{letters}{"3B} >

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Stephen Harris wrote: >> The installer searches the Registry in various ways in order to find the >> whereabouts of sh.exe, gswinc.exe, python.exe, etc. It's blindingly >> obvious that it should first ascertain whether these things are already >> in the PATH. Never mind ;-) By which I meant that

Re: width of table

Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >i am already setting a fixed width. the problem is that using 100 with > >text%, col%, page% and line% never uses the width i'd expect (ie the same as > >the surrounding text). > > > > [...] > For a single-column

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

Stephen Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I wish I were smarter so that it would be blindingly obvious to me too. > I envision four(5) scenarios: I see that Angus already answered your questions. I think that your doubts are due to a misconception of the PATH. Please, have a look here

LyX 1.3.7pre5 some progress in diagnosis

I made my way to the backup computer for testing and noticed that LyX1.3.7pre4 was installed on it, and I hadn't fixed it with "sh.exe configure". So I uninstalled it and installed 137pre5 and it installed in both C:\LyX and in C:\Program files\LyX just fine. Both installs did exhibit the

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: "Angus Leeming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:41 PM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Think of both the registry and the PATH environment variable as simply

Re: Bibliography problem

Hi, thanks for your explanations, they have been helpful. I have now exported the article I mentioned and the .tex preamble looks like this: --- cut here --- \documentclass[a4paper]{report} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} \setcounter{secnumdepth}{3}

Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into]

- Original Message - From: "Enrico Forestieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: There's Something About Textclass.lst [WinXP, installing into] Stephen Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I wish I were smarter so