Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 17/07/2019 à 19:20, Brian Davis a écrit : 1) Win 10 Enterprise (earlier versions of LyX and MikTeX as reported earlier     a) run as administrator application will generate a pdf of my thesis     b) Shows article.cls as available     c) Enterprise is remaining in half (baked) working

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-17 Thread Joel Kulesza
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:21 AM Brian Davis wrote: > > Odd, strange, not normal... yes, but not impossible or even improbable > it is happening. > > Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting > Different Results - Einstein > > Einstein obviously never used a computer.

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-17 Thread Brian Davis
On 7/17/2019 7:00 AM, Kees Zeelenberg wrote: Op 14-07-19 om 19:20 schreef Richard Kimberly Heck: On 7/14/19 12:26 PM, Brian Davis wrote: without more information. But contrary to what someone said here, MikTeX has an annoying habit of updating itself in the background and breaking things.

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 16/07/2019 à 19:29, Brian Davis a écrit : Win 10 Enterprise box this morning still requires admin mode to generate pdf.  So at least there is stable insanity there. In this case, does the miktex installation work without being admin? IOW, can you compile from command line a simple latex

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 17/07/2019 à 14:00, Kees Zeelenberg a écrit : I have been using MikTeX for over 15 years (with LyX for over 10 years), and have never experienced such an automatic update that some have ascribed to it. To make sure, I have checked on the MikTeX issue tracker, with the following outcome. A

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-17 Thread Baris Erkus
On 17-Jul-19 3:00 PM, Kees Zeelenberg wrote: > Op 14-07-19 om 19:20 schreef Richard Kimberly Heck: >> On 7/14/19 12:26 PM, Brian Davis wrote: >> >> without more information. But contrary to what someone said here, MikTeX >> has an annoying habit of updating itself in the background and breaking >>

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-17 Thread Kees Zeelenberg
Op 14-07-19 om 19:20 schreef Richard Kimberly Heck: On 7/14/19 12:26 PM, Brian Davis wrote: without more information. But contrary to what someone said here, MikTeX has an annoying habit of updating itself in the background and breaking things. We've seen it time and time again. The list

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-16 Thread Baris Erkus
On 16-Jul-19 8:29 PM, Brian Davis wrote: Win 10 Enterprise box this morning still requires admin mode to generate pdf. So at least there is stable insanity there. stable insanity: this one of the best quotes ever. I hope you problems are solved before it get to unstable+chaotic insanity...

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-16 Thread Brian Davis
User directory: ~\AppData\Roaming\LyX2.3\ > > Did you check permissions on this directory? > Permissions were same on the directory. > Is it the same user directory whether you run it in administrator mode or > not? > Another trick question? On windows my understanding is ~ is current user which

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-14 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck
On 7/14/19 3:46 PM, Brian Davis wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 12:22 PM Richard Kimberly Heck > mailto:rikih...@lyx.org>> wrote: > > On 7/14/19 1:10 PM, Brian Davis wrote: > > > > I checked the Windows 10 Pro box and ran LyX in: > > > > non administrator mode and it

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-14 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 14/07/2019 à 20:46, Brian Davis a écrit : I have had a great deal of experience in trying to convince developers of problems.  It is not sarcasm, just statement of fact.  Devs do not believe me until I prove it to them or they experience for themselves. Let's cut to the core of the issue :

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-14 Thread Brian Davis
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 12:22 PM Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > On 7/14/19 1:10 PM, Brian Davis wrote: > > > > I checked the Windows 10 Pro box and ran LyX in: > > > > non administrator mode and it reported: "Unavailable" for Article.cls > > administrator mode and it reported Article.cls as

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-14 Thread Brian Davis
> > Any thoughts by Devs on if this is a real problem knowing that us > > users can't be believed? > > What's with the sarcasm? It doesn't tend to get one help. > > I have had a great deal of experience in trying to convince developers of problems. It is not sarcasm, just statement of fact. Devs

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-14 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck
On 7/14/19 1:10 PM, Brian Davis wrote: > > I checked the Windows 10 Pro box and ran LyX in: > > non administrator mode and it reported: "Unavailable" for Article.cls > administrator mode and it reported Article.cls as available. Can you check what the user directory is in these two cases? You can

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-14 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck
On 7/14/19 12:26 PM, Brian Davis wrote: > Having an epiphany this morning, after a third cup of coffee with the > grounds at the bottom (the stiff stuff).  I thought what if I try > running LyX in administrator mode? > > I switched back to the Win 10 Enterprise with my UW thesis because >

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-14 Thread Brian Davis
I checked the Windows 10 Pro box and ran LyX in: non administrator mode and it reported: "Unavailable" for Article.cls administrator mode and it reported Article.cls as available. Something fishy is going on in Windows 10 privileges and folder access between LyX and MikTeX.

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-14 Thread Brian Davis
@Andrew Parsloe --- When you reinstalled LyX did you retain your preferences? If so, then try renaming the file C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\LyX2.3 to (say) C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\LyX2.3old and then start LyX. This will create a pristine LyX2.3 folder and

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-14 Thread Brian Davis
Having an epiphany this morning, after a third cup of coffee with the grounds at the bottom (the stiff stuff). I thought what if I try running LyX in administrator mode? I switched back to the Win 10 Enterprise with my UW thesis because ultimately that is what I need to get working. I did try

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-13 Thread Andrew Parsloe
On 14/07/2019 5:57 AM, Brian Davis wrote: Performing operation scorched earth (a play by play): Zip Lyx user dir stuff in AppData Uninstall MikTeX Laugh at MikTex Uninstall Delete cruft MikTeX leaves behind in C:\Program Files (x86) Uninstall LyX with check box to remove all user data Reboot

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-13 Thread Brian Davis
Ok I know bottom post, but think I need to inline comment on this > OK. Here is the thing: > > I had similar experiences on my students PCs. The problem maybe related to > Windows+Miktex as follows: > > In the past year Microsoft did some changes to the administrative and > security bits of

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-13 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 13/07/2019 à 21:05, Brian Davis a écrit : I tried again to get it to work on my advisors computer this Wednesday and failed with same error as I am now seeing on my other two laptops, though with varying degrees. So uhhh yeah you could say I am in a hurry for my thesis at least so I can

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-13 Thread Brian Davis
>From Baris Erkus - Hello, I am following your post and would like to help. I am swamped with a paper now, are you in hurry for your thesis? -- ↓↓ Please bottom-post. Start your reply here: - Is that a

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-13 Thread Brian Davis
>From Andrew: - l3backend was the only missing package I was aware of. There are various MiKTeX log files available. You need to dig deep to find them. On my system they're at C:\Users\Andrew\AppData\Local\MiKTeX\2.9\miktex\log See which ones are getting added to when you try to run LyX

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-13 Thread Baris Erkus
On 13-Jul-19 8:57 PM, Brian Davis wrote: > Performing operation scorched earth (a play by play): > > Zip Lyx user dir stuff in AppData > Uninstall MikTeX > Laugh at MikTex Uninstall > Delete cruft MikTeX leaves behind in C:\Program Files (x86) > Uninstall LyX with check box to remove all user data

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-13 Thread Brian Davis
Performing operation scorched earth (a play by play): Zip Lyx user dir stuff in AppData Uninstall MikTeX Laugh at MikTex Uninstall Delete cruft MikTeX leaves behind in C:\Program Files (x86) Uninstall LyX with check box to remove all user data Reboot machine. Install MikTex

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-13 Thread Brian Davis
MikTeX comes with its own kpsewhich. You may check whether MikTeX can find e.g. article.cls by giving the command (in a command prompt window): kpsewhich article.cls Kees As suspected MikTeX sees it c:\Program Files (x86)\MiKTeX 2.9\miktex\bin>kpsewhich.exe article.cls kpsewhich:

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-13 Thread Kees Zeelenberg
Op 12-07-19 om 21:36 schreef Brian Davis: @Andrew Parsloe I tried installing I3backend and "Reconfigure" / Restart Lyx and no dice. I also checked for article.cls and MikTeX states Itxbase is installed but LyX states it is still unavailable. Any other packages? that you may have also

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-13 Thread Kees Zeelenberg
Op 12-07-19 om 19:29 schreef Richard Kimberly Heck: On 7/12/19 11:07 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Sounds like MikTeX updated packages in background :) Sounds like an old and very sad story. Riki MikTeX never updates packages by itself (in the background); you must always do that actively

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-12 Thread Andrew Parsloe
On 13/07/2019 7:36 AM, Brian Davis wrote: @Andrew Parsloe I tried installing I3backend and "Reconfigure" / Restart Lyx and no dice. I also checked for article.cls and MikTeX states Itxbase is installed but LyX states it is still unavailable. Any other packages? that you may have also

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-12 Thread Brian Davis
@Andrew Parsloe I tried installing I3backend and "Reconfigure" / Restart Lyx and no dice. I also checked for article.cls and MikTeX states Itxbase is installed but LyX states it is still unavailable. Any other packages? that you may have also installed? Thx B

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-12 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck
On 7/12/19 11:07 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 06:21:51PM -0500, Brian Davis wrote: >> How is it possible to have 3 working versions of LyX/MikTex on three >> different computers (all Windows) and have them all break within a couple >> of weeks without doing anything (except

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-12 Thread Brian Davis
On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 10:41 PM Baris Erkus wrote: > On 12-Jul-19 2:21 AM, Brian Davis wrote: > > How is it possible to have 3 working versions of LyX/MikTex on three > different computers (all Windows) and have them all break within a couple > of weeks without doing anything (except allowing

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 06:21:51PM -0500, Brian Davis wrote: > How is it possible to have 3 working versions of LyX/MikTex on three > different computers (all Windows) and have them all break within a couple > of weeks without doing anything (except allowing Windows Updates)? Sounds like MikTeX

Re: Is latest Windows 10 (1809 prior to 1903-not installed) Update breaking Lyx 2.33 and MikTex?

2019-07-11 Thread Andrew Parsloe
On 12/07/2019 11:21 AM, Brian Davis wrote: How is it possible to have 3 working versions of LyX/MikTex on three different computers (all Windows) and have them all break within a couple of weeks without doing anything (except allowing Windows Updates)? I have been receiving errors after