RE: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8

[Mark.Bravington]

Hi Manveru

I don't think using a slow CTAN mirror was really the issue. If I compare the 
Miktex installation on the machine where I LyxWinInstalled, vs on my other 
machine where I standard-Lyx-installed, there are now thousands of extra 
directories created on the former (eg 1000 new directories in tex\latex). 
Because of their creation dates, I'm pretty sure LyxWinInstall is responsible. 
It seems to have asked Miktex to do a complete install of every conceivable 
package. However, I know Lyx can run fine with a much smaller set, and that's 
what I'm really asking about / suggesting here. I reckon my questions below 
still apply.

(In fact, despite my optimism in yesterday's email, the Miktex mega-update did 
in fact crash partway thru its 5-hour marathon. I haven't noticed a problem 
yet, but that's probably because the un-updated packages are fine anyway...)

Defaulting to a CTAN mirror in Germany is a minor aspect, I think-- though it 
might be preferable to not have a default, and force the user to choose. I 
freely admit to knowing very little about Miktex or Tex generally (which is one 
reason why I think Lyx is so wonderful-- I don't have to learn that stuff!).

Mark Bravington
CSIRO CMIS
Marine Lab
Hobart
Australia
 
 From: Manveru [manv...@manveru.pl]
 Sent: 21 December 2010 17:49
 To: Bravington, Mark (CMIS, Hobart)
 Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Subject: Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8
 
 2010/12/20 Mark Bravington mark.braving...@csiro.au:
  I'm just going through a similar painful process with Lyx 1.6.8 and
  LyxWinInstaller. I certainly appreciate the efforts of the LyxWinInstaller
  developers, but I do think there is a big problem with the current 
  version-- and
  it doesn't warn you properly.
 
  My story is this. I have existing Lyx 1.6.7 and Miktex installations that 
  work
  absolutely fine together. I want to upgrade Lyx to 1.6.8. Because I was 
  worried
  that the standard LyX installer might decide to re-install Miktex from 
  scratch
  or something like that (I can't remember whether it actually does, but I 
  didn't
  want to find out the hard way), I tried WinInstaller instead-- I thought it
  would be quicker. Because I hadn't used it before, I chose the Small 
  variant.
  The WinInstaller webpage seems to say it won't try to re-install Miktex if 
  it
  doesn't have to, but WinInstaller still decided it needed to update 100s of
  Miktex packages. From Germany!
 
  (I live in Australia. I have no idea where I last installed Miktex packages
  from, so I trusted the box that said use same place as last time 
  (Germany)?...
  which it clearly)
 
  It's going to take about 5 hours, and there are scary warnings on this 
  thread
  about what will happen if I just stop the process. This time, I'll probably 
  be
  lucky: work pays for the download, it's morning so I don't need to turn the
  computer off overnight, and the connection probably won't go down over the
  5-hour period. None of these need be true if I am at home (so I guess I will
  avoid WinInstaller altogether on my home machine). For something this slow, 
  I
  don't think just wait until it finishes is OK advice.
 
  From what little I can remember of the last time I installed a new Lyx 
  version
  with the standard installer, the whole process was much quicker, whether or 
  not
  it actually did re-install Miktex. (It was still slow enough that I wanted 
  an
  alternative that didn't fiddle with Miktex, but not this one...)
 
  So... some questions/requests!
 
  Is this extremely slow process going to happen again if I use WinInstaller 
  in
  update mode next time?

[Might be a bit faster if I chose a better mirror site, but not much I suspect]

 
  Is there any way to tell WinInstaller, don't bother to update every single
  miktex package ever written-- I'll wait for that to happen during normal Lyx
  usage, if  when a package is actually needed? [Since I already had a 
  perfectly
  good Miktex installation for my Lyx needs.]

[I'd still like to know...]

 
  Can the introductory documentation please warn that just saying yes is 
  going
  to lead to an incredible delay? [Maybe it's there already, but it wasn't 
  obvious
  to me.]

[Still applies I think...]

 
  Again, I do appreciate the efforts, and probably there is something simple 
  that
  the developers can do to fix it -- but I am currently wishing I hadn't used
  WinInstaller!
 
 But slow MikTeX update is not a WinInstaller fault, rather yours. You
 do not switch MikTeX to CTAN mirror near you. It is always safe to do
 that on every MikTeX update. This is a process implements by MikTeX
 author, not any of LyX authors.
 
 --
 Manveru
 jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
  gg: 1624001
http://www.manveru.pl
 

RE: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8

[Mark.Bravington]

Hi Manveru

I don't think using a slow CTAN mirror was really the issue. If I compare the 
Miktex installation on the machine where I LyxWinInstalled, vs on my other 
machine where I standard-Lyx-installed, there are now thousands of extra 
directories created on the former (eg 1000 new directories in tex\latex). 
Because of their creation dates, I'm pretty sure LyxWinInstall is responsible. 
It seems to have asked Miktex to do a complete install of every conceivable 
package. However, I know Lyx can run fine with a much smaller set, and that's 
what I'm really asking about / suggesting here. I reckon my questions below 
still apply.

(In fact, despite my optimism in yesterday's email, the Miktex mega-update did 
in fact crash partway thru its 5-hour marathon. I haven't noticed a problem 
yet, but that's probably because the un-updated packages are fine anyway...)

Defaulting to a CTAN mirror in Germany is a minor aspect, I think-- though it 
might be preferable to not have a default, and force the user to choose. I 
freely admit to knowing very little about Miktex or Tex generally (which is one 
reason why I think Lyx is so wonderful-- I don't have to learn that stuff!).

Mark Bravington
CSIRO CMIS
Marine Lab
Hobart
Australia
 
 From: Manveru [manv...@manveru.pl]
 Sent: 21 December 2010 17:49
 To: Bravington, Mark (CMIS, Hobart)
 Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Subject: Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8
 
 2010/12/20 Mark Bravington mark.braving...@csiro.au:
  I'm just going through a similar painful process with Lyx 1.6.8 and
  LyxWinInstaller. I certainly appreciate the efforts of the LyxWinInstaller
  developers, but I do think there is a big problem with the current 
  version-- and
  it doesn't warn you properly.
 
  My story is this. I have existing Lyx 1.6.7 and Miktex installations that 
  work
  absolutely fine together. I want to upgrade Lyx to 1.6.8. Because I was 
  worried
  that the standard LyX installer might decide to re-install Miktex from 
  scratch
  or something like that (I can't remember whether it actually does, but I 
  didn't
  want to find out the hard way), I tried WinInstaller instead-- I thought it
  would be quicker. Because I hadn't used it before, I chose the Small 
  variant.
  The WinInstaller webpage seems to say it won't try to re-install Miktex if 
  it
  doesn't have to, but WinInstaller still decided it needed to update 100s of
  Miktex packages. From Germany!
 
  (I live in Australia. I have no idea where I last installed Miktex packages
  from, so I trusted the box that said use same place as last time 
  (Germany)?...
  which it clearly)
 
  It's going to take about 5 hours, and there are scary warnings on this 
  thread
  about what will happen if I just stop the process. This time, I'll probably 
  be
  lucky: work pays for the download, it's morning so I don't need to turn the
  computer off overnight, and the connection probably won't go down over the
  5-hour period. None of these need be true if I am at home (so I guess I will
  avoid WinInstaller altogether on my home machine). For something this slow, 
  I
  don't think just wait until it finishes is OK advice.
 
  From what little I can remember of the last time I installed a new Lyx 
  version
  with the standard installer, the whole process was much quicker, whether or 
  not
  it actually did re-install Miktex. (It was still slow enough that I wanted 
  an
  alternative that didn't fiddle with Miktex, but not this one...)
 
  So... some questions/requests!
 
  Is this extremely slow process going to happen again if I use WinInstaller 
  in
  update mode next time?

[Might be a bit faster if I chose a better mirror site, but not much I suspect]

 
  Is there any way to tell WinInstaller, don't bother to update every single
  miktex package ever written-- I'll wait for that to happen during normal Lyx
  usage, if  when a package is actually needed? [Since I already had a 
  perfectly
  good Miktex installation for my Lyx needs.]

[I'd still like to know...]

 
  Can the introductory documentation please warn that just saying yes is 
  going
  to lead to an incredible delay? [Maybe it's there already, but it wasn't 
  obvious
  to me.]

[Still applies I think...]

 
  Again, I do appreciate the efforts, and probably there is something simple 
  that
  the developers can do to fix it -- but I am currently wishing I hadn't used
  WinInstaller!
 
 But slow MikTeX update is not a WinInstaller fault, rather yours. You
 do not switch MikTeX to CTAN mirror near you. It is always safe to do
 that on every MikTeX update. This is a process implements by MikTeX
 author, not any of LyX authors.
 
 --
 Manveru
 jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
  gg: 1624001
http://www.manveru.pl
 

RE: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8

[Mark.Bravington]

Hi Manveru

I don't think using a slow CTAN mirror was really the issue. If I compare the 
Miktex installation on the machine where I LyxWinInstalled, vs on my other 
machine where I standard-Lyx-installed, there are now thousands of extra 
directories created on the former (eg >1000 new directories in tex\latex). 
Because of their creation dates, I'm pretty sure LyxWinInstall is responsible. 
It seems to have asked Miktex to do a complete install of every conceivable 
package. However, I know Lyx can run fine with a much smaller set, and that's 
what I'm really asking about / suggesting here. I reckon my questions below 
still apply.

(In fact, despite my optimism in yesterday's email, the Miktex mega-update did 
in fact crash partway thru its 5-hour marathon. I haven't noticed a problem 
yet, but that's probably because the un-updated packages are fine anyway...)

Defaulting to a CTAN mirror in Germany is a minor aspect, I think-- though it 
might be preferable to not have a default, and force the user to choose. I 
freely admit to knowing very little about Miktex or Tex generally (which is one 
reason why I think Lyx is so wonderful-- I don't have to learn that stuff!).

Mark Bravington
CSIRO CMIS
Marine Lab
Hobart
Australia
> 
> From: Manveru [manv...@manveru.pl]
> Sent: 21 December 2010 17:49
> To: Bravington, Mark (CMIS, Hobart)
> Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Subject: Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8
> 
> 2010/12/20 Mark Bravington <mark.braving...@csiro.au>:
> > I'm just going through a similar painful process with Lyx 1.6.8 and
> > LyxWinInstaller. I certainly appreciate the efforts of the LyxWinInstaller
> > developers, but I do think there is a big problem with the current 
> > version-- and
> > it doesn't warn you properly.
> >
> > My story is this. I have existing Lyx 1.6.7 and Miktex installations that 
> > work
> > absolutely fine together. I want to upgrade Lyx to 1.6.8. Because I was 
> > worried
> > that the standard LyX installer might decide to re-install Miktex from 
> > scratch
> > or something like that (I can't remember whether it actually does, but I 
> > didn't
> > want to find out the hard way), I tried WinInstaller instead-- I thought it
> > would be quicker. Because I hadn't used it before, I chose the "Small" 
> > variant.
> > The WinInstaller webpage seems to say it won't try to re-install Miktex if 
> > it
> > doesn't have to, but WinInstaller still decided it needed to update 100s of
> > Miktex packages. From Germany!
> >
> > (I live in Australia. I have no idea where I last installed Miktex packages
> > from, so I trusted the box that said "use same place as last time 
> > (Germany)?"...
> > which it clearly)
> >
> > It's going to take about 5 hours, and there are scary warnings on this 
> > thread
> > about what will happen if I just stop the process. This time, I'll probably 
> > be
> > lucky: work pays for the download, it's morning so I don't need to turn the
> > computer off overnight, and the connection probably won't go down over the
> > 5-hour period. None of these need be true if I am at home (so I guess I will
> > avoid WinInstaller altogether on my home machine). For something this slow, 
> > I
> > don't think "just wait until it finishes" is OK advice.
> >
> > From what little I can remember of the last time I installed a new Lyx 
> > version
> > with the standard installer, the whole process was much quicker, whether or 
> > not
> > it actually did re-install Miktex. (It was still slow enough that I wanted 
> > an
> > alternative that didn't fiddle with Miktex, but not this one...)
> >
> > So... some questions/requests!
> >
> > Is this extremely slow process going to happen again if I use WinInstaller 
> > in
> > "update" mode next time?

[Might be a bit faster if I chose a better mirror site, but not much I suspect]

> >
> > Is there any way to tell WinInstaller, "don't bother to update every single
> > miktex package ever written-- I'll wait for that to happen during normal Lyx
> > usage, if & when a package is actually needed"? [Since I already had a 
> > perfectly
> > good Miktex installation for my Lyx needs.]

[I'd still like to know...]

> >
> > Can the introductory documentation please warn that "just saying yes" is 
> > going
> > to lead to an incredible delay? [Maybe it's there already, but it wasn't 
> > obvious
> > to me.]

[Still applies I think...]

> >
> > Again, I do appreciate

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8

[Manveru]

2010/12/20 Mark Bravington mark.braving...@csiro.au:
 I'm just going through a similar painful process with Lyx 1.6.8 and
 LyxWinInstaller. I certainly appreciate the efforts of the LyxWinInstaller
 developers, but I do think there is a big problem with the current version-- 
 and
 it doesn't warn you properly.

 My story is this. I have existing Lyx 1.6.7 and Miktex installations that work
 absolutely fine together. I want to upgrade Lyx to 1.6.8. Because I was 
 worried
 that the standard LyX installer might decide to re-install Miktex from scratch
 or something like that (I can't remember whether it actually does, but I 
 didn't
 want to find out the hard way), I tried WinInstaller instead-- I thought it
 would be quicker. Because I hadn't used it before, I chose the Small 
 variant.
 The WinInstaller webpage seems to say it won't try to re-install Miktex if it
 doesn't have to, but WinInstaller still decided it needed to update 100s of
 Miktex packages. From Germany!

 (I live in Australia. I have no idea where I last installed Miktex packages
 from, so I trusted the box that said use same place as last time 
 (Germany)?...
 which it clearly)

 It's going to take about 5 hours, and there are scary warnings on this thread
 about what will happen if I just stop the process. This time, I'll probably be
 lucky: work pays for the download, it's morning so I don't need to turn the
 computer off overnight, and the connection probably won't go down over the
 5-hour period. None of these need be true if I am at home (so I guess I will
 avoid WinInstaller altogether on my home machine). For something this slow, I
 don't think just wait until it finishes is OK advice.

 From what little I can remember of the last time I installed a new Lyx version
 with the standard installer, the whole process was much quicker, whether or 
 not
 it actually did re-install Miktex. (It was still slow enough that I wanted an
 alternative that didn't fiddle with Miktex, but not this one...)

 So... some questions/requests!

 Is this extremely slow process going to happen again if I use WinInstaller in
 update mode next time?

 Is there any way to tell WinInstaller, don't bother to update every single
 miktex package ever written-- I'll wait for that to happen during normal Lyx
 usage, if  when a package is actually needed? [Since I already had a 
 perfectly
 good Miktex installation for my Lyx needs.]

 Can the introductory documentation please warn that just saying yes is going
 to lead to an incredible delay? [Maybe it's there already, but it wasn't 
 obvious
 to me.]

 Again, I do appreciate the efforts, and probably there is something simple 
 that
 the developers can do to fix it -- but I am currently wishing I hadn't used
 WinInstaller!

But slow MikTeX update is not a WinInstaller fault, rather yours. You
do not switch MikTeX to CTAN mirror near you. It is always safe to do
that on every MikTeX update. This is a process implements by MikTeX
author, not any of LyX authors.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
     gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8

[Manveru]

2010/12/20 Mark Bravington mark.braving...@csiro.au:
 I'm just going through a similar painful process with Lyx 1.6.8 and
 LyxWinInstaller. I certainly appreciate the efforts of the LyxWinInstaller
 developers, but I do think there is a big problem with the current version-- 
 and
 it doesn't warn you properly.

 My story is this. I have existing Lyx 1.6.7 and Miktex installations that work
 absolutely fine together. I want to upgrade Lyx to 1.6.8. Because I was 
 worried
 that the standard LyX installer might decide to re-install Miktex from scratch
 or something like that (I can't remember whether it actually does, but I 
 didn't
 want to find out the hard way), I tried WinInstaller instead-- I thought it
 would be quicker. Because I hadn't used it before, I chose the Small 
 variant.
 The WinInstaller webpage seems to say it won't try to re-install Miktex if it
 doesn't have to, but WinInstaller still decided it needed to update 100s of
 Miktex packages. From Germany!

 (I live in Australia. I have no idea where I last installed Miktex packages
 from, so I trusted the box that said use same place as last time 
 (Germany)?...
 which it clearly)

 It's going to take about 5 hours, and there are scary warnings on this thread
 about what will happen if I just stop the process. This time, I'll probably be
 lucky: work pays for the download, it's morning so I don't need to turn the
 computer off overnight, and the connection probably won't go down over the
 5-hour period. None of these need be true if I am at home (so I guess I will
 avoid WinInstaller altogether on my home machine). For something this slow, I
 don't think just wait until it finishes is OK advice.

 From what little I can remember of the last time I installed a new Lyx version
 with the standard installer, the whole process was much quicker, whether or 
 not
 it actually did re-install Miktex. (It was still slow enough that I wanted an
 alternative that didn't fiddle with Miktex, but not this one...)

 So... some questions/requests!

 Is this extremely slow process going to happen again if I use WinInstaller in
 update mode next time?

 Is there any way to tell WinInstaller, don't bother to update every single
 miktex package ever written-- I'll wait for that to happen during normal Lyx
 usage, if  when a package is actually needed? [Since I already had a 
 perfectly
 good Miktex installation for my Lyx needs.]

 Can the introductory documentation please warn that just saying yes is going
 to lead to an incredible delay? [Maybe it's there already, but it wasn't 
 obvious
 to me.]

 Again, I do appreciate the efforts, and probably there is something simple 
 that
 the developers can do to fix it -- but I am currently wishing I hadn't used
 WinInstaller!

But slow MikTeX update is not a WinInstaller fault, rather yours. You
do not switch MikTeX to CTAN mirror near you. It is always safe to do
that on every MikTeX update. This is a process implements by MikTeX
author, not any of LyX authors.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
     gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8

[Manveru]

2010/12/20 Mark Bravington :
> I'm just going through a similar painful process with Lyx 1.6.8 and
> LyxWinInstaller. I certainly appreciate the efforts of the LyxWinInstaller
> developers, but I do think there is a big problem with the current version-- 
> and
> it doesn't warn you properly.
>
> My story is this. I have existing Lyx 1.6.7 and Miktex installations that work
> absolutely fine together. I want to upgrade Lyx to 1.6.8. Because I was 
> worried
> that the standard LyX installer might decide to re-install Miktex from scratch
> or something like that (I can't remember whether it actually does, but I 
> didn't
> want to find out the hard way), I tried WinInstaller instead-- I thought it
> would be quicker. Because I hadn't used it before, I chose the "Small" 
> variant.
> The WinInstaller webpage seems to say it won't try to re-install Miktex if it
> doesn't have to, but WinInstaller still decided it needed to update 100s of
> Miktex packages. From Germany!
>
> (I live in Australia. I have no idea where I last installed Miktex packages
> from, so I trusted the box that said "use same place as last time 
> (Germany)?"...
> which it clearly)
>
> It's going to take about 5 hours, and there are scary warnings on this thread
> about what will happen if I just stop the process. This time, I'll probably be
> lucky: work pays for the download, it's morning so I don't need to turn the
> computer off overnight, and the connection probably won't go down over the
> 5-hour period. None of these need be true if I am at home (so I guess I will
> avoid WinInstaller altogether on my home machine). For something this slow, I
> don't think "just wait until it finishes" is OK advice.
>
> From what little I can remember of the last time I installed a new Lyx version
> with the standard installer, the whole process was much quicker, whether or 
> not
> it actually did re-install Miktex. (It was still slow enough that I wanted an
> alternative that didn't fiddle with Miktex, but not this one...)
>
> So... some questions/requests!
>
> Is this extremely slow process going to happen again if I use WinInstaller in
> "update" mode next time?
>
> Is there any way to tell WinInstaller, "don't bother to update every single
> miktex package ever written-- I'll wait for that to happen during normal Lyx
> usage, if & when a package is actually needed"? [Since I already had a 
> perfectly
> good Miktex installation for my Lyx needs.]
>
> Can the introductory documentation please warn that "just saying yes" is going
> to lead to an incredible delay? [Maybe it's there already, but it wasn't 
> obvious
> to me.]
>
> Again, I do appreciate the efforts, and probably there is something simple 
> that
> the developers can do to fix it -- but I am currently wishing I hadn't used
> WinInstaller!

But slow MikTeX update is not a WinInstaller fault, rather yours. You
do not switch MikTeX to CTAN mirror near you. It is always safe to do
that on every MikTeX update. This is a process implements by MikTeX
author, not any of LyX authors.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
     gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8

[Mark Bravington]

I'm just going through a similar painful process with Lyx 1.6.8 and
LyxWinInstaller. I certainly appreciate the efforts of the LyxWinInstaller
developers, but I do think there is a big problem with the current version-- and
it doesn't warn you properly.

My story is this. I have existing Lyx 1.6.7 and Miktex installations that work
absolutely fine together. I want to upgrade Lyx to 1.6.8. Because I was worried
that the standard LyX installer might decide to re-install Miktex from scratch
or something like that (I can't remember whether it actually does, but I didn't
want to find out the hard way), I tried WinInstaller instead-- I thought it
would be quicker. Because I hadn't used it before, I chose the Small variant.
The WinInstaller webpage seems to say it won't try to re-install Miktex if it
doesn't have to, but WinInstaller still decided it needed to update 100s of
Miktex packages. From Germany!

(I live in Australia. I have no idea where I last installed Miktex packages
from, so I trusted the box that said use same place as last time (Germany)?...
which it clearly)

It's going to take about 5 hours, and there are scary warnings on this thread
about what will happen if I just stop the process. This time, I'll probably be
lucky: work pays for the download, it's morning so I don't need to turn the
computer off overnight, and the connection probably won't go down over the
5-hour period. None of these need be true if I am at home (so I guess I will
avoid WinInstaller altogether on my home machine). For something this slow, I
don't think just wait until it finishes is OK advice.

From what little I can remember of the last time I installed a new Lyx version
with the standard installer, the whole process was much quicker, whether or not
it actually did re-install Miktex. (It was still slow enough that I wanted an
alternative that didn't fiddle with Miktex, but not this one...)

So... some questions/requests!

Is this extremely slow process going to happen again if I use WinInstaller in
update mode next time?

Is there any way to tell WinInstaller, don't bother to update every single
miktex package ever written-- I'll wait for that to happen during normal Lyx
usage, if  when a package is actually needed? [Since I already had a perfectly
good Miktex installation for my Lyx needs.]

Can the introductory documentation please warn that just saying yes is going
to lead to an incredible delay? [Maybe it's there already, but it wasn't obvious
to me.]

Again, I do appreciate the efforts, and probably there is something simple that
the developers can do to fix it -- but I am currently wishing I hadn't used
WinInstaller!

thanks
Mark Bravington
mark dot bravington at csiro dot au
CSIRO Marine Lab
Hobart
Tas 7001
Australia

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8

[Mark Bravington]

I'm just going through a similar painful process with Lyx 1.6.8 and
LyxWinInstaller. I certainly appreciate the efforts of the LyxWinInstaller
developers, but I do think there is a big problem with the current version-- and
it doesn't warn you properly.

My story is this. I have existing Lyx 1.6.7 and Miktex installations that work
absolutely fine together. I want to upgrade Lyx to 1.6.8. Because I was worried
that the standard LyX installer might decide to re-install Miktex from scratch
or something like that (I can't remember whether it actually does, but I didn't
want to find out the hard way), I tried WinInstaller instead-- I thought it
would be quicker. Because I hadn't used it before, I chose the Small variant.
The WinInstaller webpage seems to say it won't try to re-install Miktex if it
doesn't have to, but WinInstaller still decided it needed to update 100s of
Miktex packages. From Germany!

(I live in Australia. I have no idea where I last installed Miktex packages
from, so I trusted the box that said use same place as last time (Germany)?...
which it clearly)

It's going to take about 5 hours, and there are scary warnings on this thread
about what will happen if I just stop the process. This time, I'll probably be
lucky: work pays for the download, it's morning so I don't need to turn the
computer off overnight, and the connection probably won't go down over the
5-hour period. None of these need be true if I am at home (so I guess I will
avoid WinInstaller altogether on my home machine). For something this slow, I
don't think just wait until it finishes is OK advice.

From what little I can remember of the last time I installed a new Lyx version
with the standard installer, the whole process was much quicker, whether or not
it actually did re-install Miktex. (It was still slow enough that I wanted an
alternative that didn't fiddle with Miktex, but not this one...)

So... some questions/requests!

Is this extremely slow process going to happen again if I use WinInstaller in
update mode next time?

Is there any way to tell WinInstaller, don't bother to update every single
miktex package ever written-- I'll wait for that to happen during normal Lyx
usage, if  when a package is actually needed? [Since I already had a perfectly
good Miktex installation for my Lyx needs.]

Can the introductory documentation please warn that just saying yes is going
to lead to an incredible delay? [Maybe it's there already, but it wasn't obvious
to me.]

Again, I do appreciate the efforts, and probably there is something simple that
the developers can do to fix it -- but I am currently wishing I hadn't used
WinInstaller!

thanks
Mark Bravington
mark dot bravington at csiro dot au
CSIRO Marine Lab
Hobart
Tas 7001
Australia

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8

[Mark Bravington]

I'm just going through a similar painful process with Lyx 1.6.8 and
LyxWinInstaller. I certainly appreciate the efforts of the LyxWinInstaller
developers, but I do think there is a big problem with the current version-- and
it doesn't warn you properly.

My story is this. I have existing Lyx 1.6.7 and Miktex installations that work
absolutely fine together. I want to upgrade Lyx to 1.6.8. Because I was worried
that the standard LyX installer might decide to re-install Miktex from scratch
or something like that (I can't remember whether it actually does, but I didn't
want to find out the hard way), I tried WinInstaller instead-- I thought it
would be quicker. Because I hadn't used it before, I chose the "Small" variant.
The WinInstaller webpage seems to say it won't try to re-install Miktex if it
doesn't have to, but WinInstaller still decided it needed to update 100s of
Miktex packages. From Germany!

(I live in Australia. I have no idea where I last installed Miktex packages
from, so I trusted the box that said "use same place as last time (Germany)?"...
which it clearly)

It's going to take about 5 hours, and there are scary warnings on this thread
about what will happen if I just stop the process. This time, I'll probably be
lucky: work pays for the download, it's morning so I don't need to turn the
computer off overnight, and the connection probably won't go down over the
5-hour period. None of these need be true if I am at home (so I guess I will
avoid WinInstaller altogether on my home machine). For something this slow, I
don't think "just wait until it finishes" is OK advice.

>From what little I can remember of the last time I installed a new Lyx version
with the standard installer, the whole process was much quicker, whether or not
it actually did re-install Miktex. (It was still slow enough that I wanted an
alternative that didn't fiddle with Miktex, but not this one...)

So... some questions/requests!

Is this extremely slow process going to happen again if I use WinInstaller in
"update" mode next time?

Is there any way to tell WinInstaller, "don't bother to update every single
miktex package ever written-- I'll wait for that to happen during normal Lyx
usage, if & when a package is actually needed"? [Since I already had a perfectly
good Miktex installation for my Lyx needs.]

Can the introductory documentation please warn that "just saying yes" is going
to lead to an incredible delay? [Maybe it's there already, but it wasn't obvious
to me.]

Again, I do appreciate the efforts, and probably there is something simple that
the developers can do to fix it -- but I am currently wishing I hadn't used
WinInstaller!

thanks
Mark Bravington
mark dot bravington at csiro dot au
CSIRO Marine Lab
Hobart
Tas 7001
Australia

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[asm23]

Joost Verburg wrote:

Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the 
alternative installer), the installer will *automatically* change 
this option to Yes. (it seems very strange)


I hope that the installer informs you before doing this change and 
that the old config is restored back.


The standard installer doesn't change this setting. MiKTeX's default is 
Ask me first and it provides an option to change this on the window 
that is displayed when the first package is installed.


Joost



Ok, I think the alternative installer changes this setting...

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[asm23]

Joost Verburg wrote:

Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the 
alternative installer), the installer will *automatically* change 
this option to Yes. (it seems very strange)


I hope that the installer informs you before doing this change and 
that the old config is restored back.


The standard installer doesn't change this setting. MiKTeX's default is 
Ask me first and it provides an option to change this on the window 
that is displayed when the first package is installed.


Joost



Ok, I think the alternative installer changes this setting...

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[asm23]

Joost Verburg wrote:

Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the 
alternative installer), the installer will *automatically* change 
this option to "Yes". (it seems very strange)


I hope that the installer informs you before doing this change and 
that the old config is restored back.


The standard installer doesn't change this setting. MiKTeX's default is 
"Ask me first" and it provides an option to change this on the window 
that is displayed when the first package is installed.


Joost



Ok, I think the alternative installer changes this setting...

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Asm_gmail schrieb:


I have found the problem, and find a way to work around it.

Actually, I first installed the latest version of basic MikTex 2.7 . 
During setup, I choose the update option in MikTex's Setting dialog 
Install missing pages, of --- Ask me first.


But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the 
alternative installer), the installer will *automatically* change this 
option to Yes. (it seems very strange)


This is done purposely Otherwise you will be prompted about 40 times to 
agree to the package installation. By omitting the prompt, you can go 
drinking a coffee while the packages are installed consecutively.


I hope that the installer informs you before doing this change and that 
the old config is restored back.


Abdel.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Joost Verburg]

Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the 
alternative installer), the installer will *automatically* change 
this option to Yes. (it seems very strange)


I hope that the installer informs you before doing this change and that 
the old config is restored back.


The standard installer doesn't change this setting. MiKTeX's default is 
Ask me first and it provides an option to change this on the window 
that is displayed when the first package is installed.


Joost

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Asm_gmail schrieb:


I have found the problem, and find a way to work around it.

Actually, I first installed the latest version of basic MikTex 2.7 . 
During setup, I choose the update option in MikTex's Setting dialog 
Install missing pages, of --- Ask me first.


But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the 
alternative installer), the installer will *automatically* change this 
option to Yes. (it seems very strange)


This is done purposely Otherwise you will be prompted about 40 times to 
agree to the package installation. By omitting the prompt, you can go 
drinking a coffee while the packages are installed consecutively.


I hope that the installer informs you before doing this change and that 
the old config is restored back.


Abdel.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Joost Verburg]

Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the 
alternative installer), the installer will *automatically* change 
this option to Yes. (it seems very strange)


I hope that the installer informs you before doing this change and that 
the old config is restored back.


The standard installer doesn't change this setting. MiKTeX's default is 
Ask me first and it provides an option to change this on the window 
that is displayed when the first package is installed.


Joost

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Asm_gmail schrieb:


I have found the problem, and find a way to work around it.

Actually, I first installed the latest version of basic MikTex 2.7 . 
During setup, I choose the update option in MikTex's Setting dialog 
"Install missing pages", of ---> "Ask me first".


But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the 
alternative installer), the installer will *automatically* change this 
option to "Yes". (it seems very strange)


This is done purposely Otherwise you will be prompted about 40 times to 
agree to the package installation. By omitting the prompt, you can go 
drinking a coffee while the packages are installed consecutively.


I hope that the installer informs you before doing this change and that 
the old config is restored back.


Abdel.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Joost Verburg]

Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the 
alternative installer), the installer will *automatically* change 
this option to "Yes". (it seems very strange)


I hope that the installer informs you before doing this change and that 
the old config is restored back.


The standard installer doesn't change this setting. MiKTeX's default is 
"Ask me first" and it provides an option to change this on the window 
that is displayed when the first package is installed.


Joost

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[asm23]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Hello LyXers,

I uploaded version 4.15 of the LyXWinInstaller that fixes two bugs:
- add missing Python file to be able to import CSV-files to LyX
- fix bug that PDF and EPS images weren't show in LyX

In case you are affected by these bugs, you have to reinstall LyX using 
this new installer version.


The installer can be downloaded from:
https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5117release_id=15475 


and soon also from
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.6.0
(under the name AltInstaller)

(More infos about the installer can be found here:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyXWinInstaller )

sorry for the inconvenience and regards
Uwe


HI, Uwe. I'm totally annoying of installing the Lyx 1.6.
My system is Windows xp, I have Miktex 2.7 be installed already.

I have tried
LyX-1.6.0-1-Installer.exe
or
LyX-160-4-15-AltInstaller-Small.exe
But none of them can be properly installed.

Here is my problem:
-
If I have the networks.

Every time during the last period of installing, it will connect to the 
internet and downloading something Lyx seems missing.(I think the python 
will do this, and download it behind the screen).


But it takes *several hours*!!! I can't wait it for too long, So, I just 
disconnect my networks, then, the installation finished.


When I first start the Lyx. It will try to reconfigure and try to 
connect to the internet to download something. ( In my task manager, 
cmd.exe, python.exe and latex.exe was running , but No GUI was shown.)
It's also a long long time, there is no progress nor a stop button to 
pause the precessing. So, I just disconnect the networks again. And the 
Lyx screen appeared on my screen. Then, I works fine.


Later, each time I start the Lyx, it will do some annoying configuration 
in console mode(before the main GUI appears), and it will cost an 
endless time. So, I just disconnect the networks to let the main GUI 
window comes out.


-
If I have *no* networks.

The installation can't be finished. The console window will be pending 
until I click the X button.


Every time I start Lyx, I also see the cmd.exe, python.exe and latex.exe 
and Lyx.exe are running in the task manager, But all these programs were 
running behind the screen. No GUI were shown for ever...


-

I thought it was some thing wrong with the Python script, Because it 
will always got the state that the configuration was not finished. So, 
it will run configuration every time lyx started.


I'm hoping you other senior developers can solve this problem.
Thank you very much.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Uwe Stöhr]

 I'm totally annoying of installing the Lyx 1.6.
 My system is Windows xp, I have Miktex 2.7 be installed already.

 I have tried
 LyX-1.6.0-1-Installer.exe
 or
 LyX-160-4-15-AltInstaller-Small.exe
 But none of them can be properly installed.

 Here is my problem:

 Every time during the last period of installing, it will connect to the 
internet and downloading
 something Lyx seems missing.(I think the python will do this, and download it 
behind the screen).

 But it takes *several hours*!!! I can't wait it for too long, So, I just 
disconnect my networks,
 then, the installation finished.

This was a bad choice. When LyX is installed, its configure script checks the existing LaTeX system. 
So it asks latex.exe if several LaTeX-packages are available. latex.exe then automatically downloads 
the missing packages asked by LyX. Depending on your Internet connection, this can indeed take hours 
(usually it takes 10 minutes with a DSL connection).
When you abort this process, you kill the configuration script of LyX and still have an incomplete 
LaTeX installation and therefore get problems.


So you have to with the time until the downloading and installation is done. The Alternative 
installer therefore displays the current download and installation state in a console Window.


To speed up the installation a bit I suggest to uninstall MiKTeX _completely_ and reinstall it using 
the basic MiKTeX installation you can download from here:

http://miktex.org/2.7/setup
(Then you have the latest version that fixed some nasty bugs. Otherwise the lyX installer would do 
the update for you, but this takes longer than reinstalling MiKTeX.)

Then reinstall LyX and wait the needed time. This is all you can do.

regards Uwe

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Asm_gmail]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

 I'm totally annoying of installing the Lyx 1.6.
 My system is Windows xp, I have Miktex 2.7 be installed already.

 I have tried
 LyX-1.6.0-1-Installer.exe
 or
 LyX-160-4-15-AltInstaller-Small.exe
 But none of them can be properly installed.

 Here is my problem:

 Every time during the last period of installing, it will connect to 
the internet and downloading
 something Lyx seems missing.(I think the python will do this, and 
download it behind the screen).


 But it takes *several hours*!!! I can't wait it for too long, So, I 
just disconnect my networks,

 then, the installation finished.

This was a bad choice. When LyX is installed, its configure script 
checks the existing LaTeX system. So it asks latex.exe if several 
LaTeX-packages are available. latex.exe then automatically downloads 
the missing packages asked by LyX. Depending on your Internet 
connection, this can indeed take hours (usually it takes 10 minutes 
with a DSL connection).
When you abort this process, you kill the configuration script of LyX 
and still have an incomplete LaTeX installation and therefore get 
problems.


So you have to with the time until the downloading and installation is 
done. The Alternative installer therefore displays the current 
download and installation state in a console Window.


To speed up the installation a bit I suggest to uninstall MiKTeX 
_completely_ and reinstall it using the basic MiKTeX installation you 
can download from here:

http://miktex.org/2.7/setup
(Then you have the latest version that fixed some nasty bugs. 
Otherwise the lyX installer would do the update for you, but this 
takes longer than reinstalling MiKTeX.)

Then reinstall LyX and wait the needed time. This is all you can do.

regards Uwe


HI, Uwe, Thank you for your reply, and Thank you for your suggestion.

I have found the problem, and find a way to work around it.

Actually, I first installed the latest version of basic MikTex 2.7 . 
During setup, I choose the update option in MikTex's Setting dialog 
Install missing pages, of --- Ask me first.


But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the alternative 
installer), the installer will *automatically* change this option to 
Yes. (it seems very strange) So the installation takes a long time if 
I have a low speed of network or even pending when I have No internet 
connection.


So, the trick is : (If you have no network or low speed of networks)

1,kill the last step configuration of installation of Lyx.
2,Setting the MikTex update option  *back* to Ask me first.
3,start Lyx to let it initialize configuration , and When some message 
box prompt to ask whether downloading missing packages. I always choose 
cancel.

4,After step 3, the Lyx can work now.

By the way, Even I make a full installation of basic MikTex 2.7, there 
are still several missing packages required by Lyx. Maybe, They can be 
downloaded when I have a network or a higher speed connection(using the 
reconfigure menu). But without these required packages, the Lyx can 
works well.



I'm struggling with this installation problem for about 24 Hours, All 
what I can do is install and reinstall of different packages again 
and again :-(
So, you can think how depressed I feel. Anyway, I surely solved this 
problem at last.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Uwe Stöhr]

Asm_gmail schrieb:


I have found the problem, and find a way to work around it.

Actually, I first installed the latest version of basic MikTex 2.7 . 
During setup, I choose the update option in MikTex's Setting dialog 
Install missing pages, of --- Ask me first.


But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the alternative 
installer), the installer will *automatically* change this option to 
Yes. (it seems very strange)


This is done purposely Otherwise you will be prompted about 40 times to agree to the package 
installation. By omitting the prompt, you can go drinking a coffee while the packages are installed 
consecutively.



So, the trick is : (If you have no network or low speed of networks)

1,kill the last step configuration of installation of Lyx.
2,Setting the MikTex update option  *back* to Ask me first.
3,start Lyx to let it initialize configuration , and When some message 
box prompt to ask whether downloading missing packages. I always choose 
cancel.

4,After step 3, the Lyx can work now.


This is not working. Because then you don't have a fully working LyX installation. You are then for 
example not able to compile the documentation files like LyX's User's Guide and you cannot use all 
LyX features, for example subfloats and other key features.


By the way, Even I make a full installation of basic MikTex 2.7, there 
are still several missing packages required by Lyx.


These are packages only available at special inter pages, mostly class and style files for 
scientific journals.


I'm struggling with this installation problem for about 24 Hours, All 
what I can do is install and reinstall of different packages again 
and again :-(
So, you can think how depressed I feel. Anyway, I surely solved this 
problem at last.


I don't understand why you cannot just wait untill all missing LaTeX-packages are installed. I mean 
you don't need to sit in front of your computer while this is done, you can also do other things in 
the meantime.


regards Uwe

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[asm23]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Asm_gmail schrieb:


I have found the problem, and find a way to work around it.

Actually, I first installed the latest version of basic MikTex 2.7 . 
During setup, I choose the update option in MikTex's Setting dialog 
Install missing pages, of --- Ask me first.


But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the 
alternative installer), the installer will *automatically* change this 
option to Yes. (it seems very strange)


This is done purposely Otherwise you will be prompted about 40 times to 
agree to the package installation. By omitting the prompt, you can go 
drinking a coffee while the packages are installed consecutively.



So, the trick is : (If you have no network or low speed of networks)

1,kill the last step configuration of installation of Lyx.
2,Setting the MikTex update option  *back* to Ask me first.
3,start Lyx to let it initialize configuration , and When some message 
box prompt to ask whether downloading missing packages. I always 
choose cancel.

4,After step 3, the Lyx can work now.


This is not working. Because then you don't have a fully working LyX 
installation. You are then for example not able to compile the 
documentation files like LyX's User's Guide and you cannot use all LyX 
features, for example subfloats and other key features.


By the way, Even I make a full installation of basic MikTex 2.7, 
there are still several missing packages required by Lyx.


These are packages only available at special inter pages, mostly class 
and style files for scientific journals.


I'm struggling with this installation problem for about 24 Hours, All 
what I can do is install and reinstall of different packages again 
and again :-(
So, you can think how depressed I feel. Anyway, I surely solved this 
problem at last.


I don't understand why you cannot just wait untill all missing 
LaTeX-packages are installed. I mean you don't need to sit in front of 
your computer while this is done, you can also do other things in the 
meantime.


regards Uwe

Thanks, follow your advice, I completely updated the whole missing 
packages of Lyx, it takes *One hour*.(  a lot of patience need..)


But still I can't compile the tutorial.lyx.

A MessageBox reported that File does not exist..pdf, so, What's 
wrong with this problem? Thanks.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[asm23]

Another bug is that after reconfigure of Lyx.
The MiKTex server will always be *modified* to 
ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/..;


So, I need to manually choose another faster one.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[asm23]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Hello LyXers,

I uploaded version 4.15 of the LyXWinInstaller that fixes two bugs:
- add missing Python file to be able to import CSV-files to LyX
- fix bug that PDF and EPS images weren't show in LyX

In case you are affected by these bugs, you have to reinstall LyX using 
this new installer version.


The installer can be downloaded from:
https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5117release_id=15475 


and soon also from
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.6.0
(under the name AltInstaller)

(More infos about the installer can be found here:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyXWinInstaller )

sorry for the inconvenience and regards
Uwe


HI, Uwe. I'm totally annoying of installing the Lyx 1.6.
My system is Windows xp, I have Miktex 2.7 be installed already.

I have tried
LyX-1.6.0-1-Installer.exe
or
LyX-160-4-15-AltInstaller-Small.exe
But none of them can be properly installed.

Here is my problem:
-
If I have the networks.

Every time during the last period of installing, it will connect to the 
internet and downloading something Lyx seems missing.(I think the python 
will do this, and download it behind the screen).


But it takes *several hours*!!! I can't wait it for too long, So, I just 
disconnect my networks, then, the installation finished.


When I first start the Lyx. It will try to reconfigure and try to 
connect to the internet to download something. ( In my task manager, 
cmd.exe, python.exe and latex.exe was running , but No GUI was shown.)
It's also a long long time, there is no progress nor a stop button to 
pause the precessing. So, I just disconnect the networks again. And the 
Lyx screen appeared on my screen. Then, I works fine.


Later, each time I start the Lyx, it will do some annoying configuration 
in console mode(before the main GUI appears), and it will cost an 
endless time. So, I just disconnect the networks to let the main GUI 
window comes out.


-
If I have *no* networks.

The installation can't be finished. The console window will be pending 
until I click the X button.


Every time I start Lyx, I also see the cmd.exe, python.exe and latex.exe 
and Lyx.exe are running in the task manager, But all these programs were 
running behind the screen. No GUI were shown for ever...


-

I thought it was some thing wrong with the Python script, Because it 
will always got the state that the configuration was not finished. So, 
it will run configuration every time lyx started.


I'm hoping you other senior developers can solve this problem.
Thank you very much.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Uwe Stöhr]

 I'm totally annoying of installing the Lyx 1.6.
 My system is Windows xp, I have Miktex 2.7 be installed already.

 I have tried
 LyX-1.6.0-1-Installer.exe
 or
 LyX-160-4-15-AltInstaller-Small.exe
 But none of them can be properly installed.

 Here is my problem:

 Every time during the last period of installing, it will connect to the 
internet and downloading
 something Lyx seems missing.(I think the python will do this, and download it 
behind the screen).

 But it takes *several hours*!!! I can't wait it for too long, So, I just 
disconnect my networks,
 then, the installation finished.

This was a bad choice. When LyX is installed, its configure script checks the existing LaTeX system. 
So it asks latex.exe if several LaTeX-packages are available. latex.exe then automatically downloads 
the missing packages asked by LyX. Depending on your Internet connection, this can indeed take hours 
(usually it takes 10 minutes with a DSL connection).
When you abort this process, you kill the configuration script of LyX and still have an incomplete 
LaTeX installation and therefore get problems.


So you have to with the time until the downloading and installation is done. The Alternative 
installer therefore displays the current download and installation state in a console Window.


To speed up the installation a bit I suggest to uninstall MiKTeX _completely_ and reinstall it using 
the basic MiKTeX installation you can download from here:

http://miktex.org/2.7/setup
(Then you have the latest version that fixed some nasty bugs. Otherwise the lyX installer would do 
the update for you, but this takes longer than reinstalling MiKTeX.)

Then reinstall LyX and wait the needed time. This is all you can do.

regards Uwe

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Asm_gmail]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

 I'm totally annoying of installing the Lyx 1.6.
 My system is Windows xp, I have Miktex 2.7 be installed already.

 I have tried
 LyX-1.6.0-1-Installer.exe
 or
 LyX-160-4-15-AltInstaller-Small.exe
 But none of them can be properly installed.

 Here is my problem:

 Every time during the last period of installing, it will connect to 
the internet and downloading
 something Lyx seems missing.(I think the python will do this, and 
download it behind the screen).


 But it takes *several hours*!!! I can't wait it for too long, So, I 
just disconnect my networks,

 then, the installation finished.

This was a bad choice. When LyX is installed, its configure script 
checks the existing LaTeX system. So it asks latex.exe if several 
LaTeX-packages are available. latex.exe then automatically downloads 
the missing packages asked by LyX. Depending on your Internet 
connection, this can indeed take hours (usually it takes 10 minutes 
with a DSL connection).
When you abort this process, you kill the configuration script of LyX 
and still have an incomplete LaTeX installation and therefore get 
problems.


So you have to with the time until the downloading and installation is 
done. The Alternative installer therefore displays the current 
download and installation state in a console Window.


To speed up the installation a bit I suggest to uninstall MiKTeX 
_completely_ and reinstall it using the basic MiKTeX installation you 
can download from here:

http://miktex.org/2.7/setup
(Then you have the latest version that fixed some nasty bugs. 
Otherwise the lyX installer would do the update for you, but this 
takes longer than reinstalling MiKTeX.)

Then reinstall LyX and wait the needed time. This is all you can do.

regards Uwe


HI, Uwe, Thank you for your reply, and Thank you for your suggestion.

I have found the problem, and find a way to work around it.

Actually, I first installed the latest version of basic MikTex 2.7 . 
During setup, I choose the update option in MikTex's Setting dialog 
Install missing pages, of --- Ask me first.


But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the alternative 
installer), the installer will *automatically* change this option to 
Yes. (it seems very strange) So the installation takes a long time if 
I have a low speed of network or even pending when I have No internet 
connection.


So, the trick is : (If you have no network or low speed of networks)

1,kill the last step configuration of installation of Lyx.
2,Setting the MikTex update option  *back* to Ask me first.
3,start Lyx to let it initialize configuration , and When some message 
box prompt to ask whether downloading missing packages. I always choose 
cancel.

4,After step 3, the Lyx can work now.

By the way, Even I make a full installation of basic MikTex 2.7, there 
are still several missing packages required by Lyx. Maybe, They can be 
downloaded when I have a network or a higher speed connection(using the 
reconfigure menu). But without these required packages, the Lyx can 
works well.



I'm struggling with this installation problem for about 24 Hours, All 
what I can do is install and reinstall of different packages again 
and again :-(
So, you can think how depressed I feel. Anyway, I surely solved this 
problem at last.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Uwe Stöhr]

Asm_gmail schrieb:


I have found the problem, and find a way to work around it.

Actually, I first installed the latest version of basic MikTex 2.7 . 
During setup, I choose the update option in MikTex's Setting dialog 
Install missing pages, of --- Ask me first.


But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the alternative 
installer), the installer will *automatically* change this option to 
Yes. (it seems very strange)


This is done purposely Otherwise you will be prompted about 40 times to agree to the package 
installation. By omitting the prompt, you can go drinking a coffee while the packages are installed 
consecutively.



So, the trick is : (If you have no network or low speed of networks)

1,kill the last step configuration of installation of Lyx.
2,Setting the MikTex update option  *back* to Ask me first.
3,start Lyx to let it initialize configuration , and When some message 
box prompt to ask whether downloading missing packages. I always choose 
cancel.

4,After step 3, the Lyx can work now.


This is not working. Because then you don't have a fully working LyX installation. You are then for 
example not able to compile the documentation files like LyX's User's Guide and you cannot use all 
LyX features, for example subfloats and other key features.


By the way, Even I make a full installation of basic MikTex 2.7, there 
are still several missing packages required by Lyx.


These are packages only available at special inter pages, mostly class and style files for 
scientific journals.


I'm struggling with this installation problem for about 24 Hours, All 
what I can do is install and reinstall of different packages again 
and again :-(
So, you can think how depressed I feel. Anyway, I surely solved this 
problem at last.


I don't understand why you cannot just wait untill all missing LaTeX-packages are installed. I mean 
you don't need to sit in front of your computer while this is done, you can also do other things in 
the meantime.


regards Uwe

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[asm23]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Asm_gmail schrieb:


I have found the problem, and find a way to work around it.

Actually, I first installed the latest version of basic MikTex 2.7 . 
During setup, I choose the update option in MikTex's Setting dialog 
Install missing pages, of --- Ask me first.


But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the 
alternative installer), the installer will *automatically* change this 
option to Yes. (it seems very strange)


This is done purposely Otherwise you will be prompted about 40 times to 
agree to the package installation. By omitting the prompt, you can go 
drinking a coffee while the packages are installed consecutively.



So, the trick is : (If you have no network or low speed of networks)

1,kill the last step configuration of installation of Lyx.
2,Setting the MikTex update option  *back* to Ask me first.
3,start Lyx to let it initialize configuration , and When some message 
box prompt to ask whether downloading missing packages. I always 
choose cancel.

4,After step 3, the Lyx can work now.


This is not working. Because then you don't have a fully working LyX 
installation. You are then for example not able to compile the 
documentation files like LyX's User's Guide and you cannot use all LyX 
features, for example subfloats and other key features.


By the way, Even I make a full installation of basic MikTex 2.7, 
there are still several missing packages required by Lyx.


These are packages only available at special inter pages, mostly class 
and style files for scientific journals.


I'm struggling with this installation problem for about 24 Hours, All 
what I can do is install and reinstall of different packages again 
and again :-(
So, you can think how depressed I feel. Anyway, I surely solved this 
problem at last.


I don't understand why you cannot just wait untill all missing 
LaTeX-packages are installed. I mean you don't need to sit in front of 
your computer while this is done, you can also do other things in the 
meantime.


regards Uwe

Thanks, follow your advice, I completely updated the whole missing 
packages of Lyx, it takes *One hour*.(  a lot of patience need..)


But still I can't compile the tutorial.lyx.

A MessageBox reported that File does not exist..pdf, so, What's 
wrong with this problem? Thanks.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[asm23]

Another bug is that after reconfigure of Lyx.
The MiKTex server will always be *modified* to 
ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/..;


So, I need to manually choose another faster one.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[asm23]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Hello LyXers,

I uploaded version 4.15 of the LyXWinInstaller that fixes two bugs:
- add missing Python file to be able to import CSV-files to LyX
- fix bug that PDF and EPS images weren't show in LyX

In case you are affected by these bugs, you have to reinstall LyX using 
this new installer version.


The installer can be downloaded from:
https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5117_id=15475 


and soon also from
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.6.0
(under the name AltInstaller)

(More infos about the installer can be found here:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyXWinInstaller )

sorry for the inconvenience and regards
Uwe


HI, Uwe. I'm totally annoying of installing the Lyx 1.6.
My system is Windows xp, I have Miktex 2.7 be installed already.

I have tried
"LyX-1.6.0-1-Installer.exe"
or
"LyX-160-4-15-AltInstaller-Small.exe"
But none of them can be properly installed.

Here is my problem:
-
If I have the networks.

Every time during the last period of installing, it will connect to the 
internet and downloading something Lyx seems missing.(I think the python 
will do this, and download it behind the screen).


But it takes *several hours*!!! I can't wait it for too long, So, I just 
disconnect my networks, then, the installation finished.


When I first start the Lyx. It will try to reconfigure and try to 
connect to the internet to download something. ( In my task manager, 
cmd.exe, python.exe and latex.exe was running , but No GUI was shown.)
It's also a long long time, there is no progress nor a "stop" button to 
pause the precessing. So, I just disconnect the networks again. And the 
Lyx screen appeared on my screen. Then, I works fine.


Later, each time I start the Lyx, it will do some annoying configuration 
in console mode(before the main GUI appears), and it will cost an 
endless time. So, I just disconnect the networks to let the main GUI 
window comes out.


-
If I have *no* networks.

The installation can't be finished. The console window will be pending 
until I click the "X" button.


Every time I start Lyx, I also see the cmd.exe, python.exe and latex.exe 
and Lyx.exe are running in the task manager, But all these programs were 
running behind the screen. No GUI were shown for ever...


-

I thought it was some thing wrong with the Python script, Because it 
will always got the state that the configuration was not finished. So, 
it will run configuration every time lyx started.


I'm hoping you other senior developers can solve this problem.
Thank you very much.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Uwe Stöhr]

> I'm totally annoying of installing the Lyx 1.6.
> My system is Windows xp, I have Miktex 2.7 be installed already.
>
> I have tried
> "LyX-1.6.0-1-Installer.exe"
> or
> "LyX-160-4-15-AltInstaller-Small.exe"
> But none of them can be properly installed.
>
> Here is my problem:
>
> Every time during the last period of installing, it will connect to the 
internet and downloading
> something Lyx seems missing.(I think the python will do this, and download it 
behind the screen).
>
> But it takes *several hours*!!! I can't wait it for too long, So, I just 
disconnect my networks,
> then, the installation finished.

This was a bad choice. When LyX is installed, its configure script checks the existing LaTeX system. 
So it asks latex.exe if several LaTeX-packages are available. latex.exe then automatically downloads 
the missing packages asked by LyX. Depending on your Internet connection, this can indeed take hours 
(usually it takes 10 minutes with a DSL connection).
When you abort this process, you kill the configuration script of LyX and still have an incomplete 
LaTeX installation and therefore get problems.


So you have to with the time until the downloading and installation is done. The Alternative 
installer therefore displays the current download and installation state in a console Window.


To speed up the installation a bit I suggest to uninstall MiKTeX _completely_ and reinstall it using 
the basic MiKTeX installation you can download from here:

http://miktex.org/2.7/setup
(Then you have the latest version that fixed some nasty bugs. Otherwise the lyX installer would do 
the update for you, but this takes longer than reinstalling MiKTeX.)

Then reinstall LyX and wait the needed time. This is all you can do.

regards Uwe

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Asm_gmail]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

> I'm totally annoying of installing the Lyx 1.6.
> My system is Windows xp, I have Miktex 2.7 be installed already.
>
> I have tried
> "LyX-1.6.0-1-Installer.exe"
> or
> "LyX-160-4-15-AltInstaller-Small.exe"
> But none of them can be properly installed.
>
> Here is my problem:
>
> Every time during the last period of installing, it will connect to 
the internet and downloading
> something Lyx seems missing.(I think the python will do this, and 
download it behind the screen).

>
> But it takes *several hours*!!! I can't wait it for too long, So, I 
just disconnect my networks,

> then, the installation finished.

This was a bad choice. When LyX is installed, its configure script 
checks the existing LaTeX system. So it asks latex.exe if several 
LaTeX-packages are available. latex.exe then automatically downloads 
the missing packages asked by LyX. Depending on your Internet 
connection, this can indeed take hours (usually it takes 10 minutes 
with a DSL connection).
When you abort this process, you kill the configuration script of LyX 
and still have an incomplete LaTeX installation and therefore get 
problems.


So you have to with the time until the downloading and installation is 
done. The Alternative installer therefore displays the current 
download and installation state in a console Window.


To speed up the installation a bit I suggest to uninstall MiKTeX 
_completely_ and reinstall it using the basic MiKTeX installation you 
can download from here:

http://miktex.org/2.7/setup
(Then you have the latest version that fixed some nasty bugs. 
Otherwise the lyX installer would do the update for you, but this 
takes longer than reinstalling MiKTeX.)

Then reinstall LyX and wait the needed time. This is all you can do.

regards Uwe


HI, Uwe, Thank you for your reply, and Thank you for your suggestion.

I have found the problem, and find a way to work around it.

Actually, I first installed the latest version of basic MikTex 2.7 . 
During setup, I choose the update option in MikTex's Setting dialog 
"Install missing pages", of ---> "Ask me first".


But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the alternative 
installer), the installer will *automatically* change this option to 
"Yes". (it seems very strange) So the installation takes a long time if 
I have a low speed of network or even pending when I have No internet 
connection.


So, the trick is : (If you have no network or low speed of networks)

1,kill the last step configuration of installation of Lyx.
2,Setting the MikTex update option  *back* to "Ask me first".
3,start Lyx to let it initialize configuration , and When some message 
box prompt to ask whether downloading missing packages. I always choose 
"cancel".

4,After step 3, the Lyx can work now.

By the way, Even I make a full installation of "basic MikTex 2.7", there 
are still several missing packages required by Lyx. Maybe, They can be 
downloaded when I have a network or a higher speed connection(using the 
reconfigure menu). But without these "required packages", the Lyx can 
works well.



I'm struggling with this installation problem for about 24 Hours, All 
what I can do is "install" and "reinstall" of different packages again 
and again :-(
So, you can think how depressed I feel. Anyway, I surely solved this 
problem at last.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Uwe Stöhr]

Asm_gmail schrieb:


I have found the problem, and find a way to work around it.

Actually, I first installed the latest version of basic MikTex 2.7 . 
During setup, I choose the update option in MikTex's Setting dialog 
"Install missing pages", of ---> "Ask me first".


But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the alternative 
installer), the installer will *automatically* change this option to 
"Yes". (it seems very strange)


This is done purposely Otherwise you will be prompted about 40 times to agree to the package 
installation. By omitting the prompt, you can go drinking a coffee while the packages are installed 
consecutively.



So, the trick is : (If you have no network or low speed of networks)

1,kill the last step configuration of installation of Lyx.
2,Setting the MikTex update option  *back* to "Ask me first".
3,start Lyx to let it initialize configuration , and When some message 
box prompt to ask whether downloading missing packages. I always choose 
"cancel".

4,After step 3, the Lyx can work now.


This is not working. Because then you don't have a fully working LyX installation. You are then for 
example not able to compile the documentation files like LyX's User's Guide and you cannot use all 
LyX features, for example subfloats and other key features.


By the way, Even I make a full installation of "basic MikTex 2.7", there 
are still several missing packages required by Lyx.


These are packages only available at special inter pages, mostly class and style files for 
scientific journals.


I'm struggling with this installation problem for about 24 Hours, All 
what I can do is "install" and "reinstall" of different packages again 
and again :-(
So, you can think how depressed I feel. Anyway, I surely solved this 
problem at last.


I don't understand why you cannot just wait untill all missing LaTeX-packages are installed. I mean 
you don't need to sit in front of your computer while this is done, you can also do other things in 
the meantime.


regards Uwe

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[asm23]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Asm_gmail schrieb:


I have found the problem, and find a way to work around it.

Actually, I first installed the latest version of basic MikTex 2.7 . 
During setup, I choose the update option in MikTex's Setting dialog 
"Install missing pages", of ---> "Ask me first".


But when I install the Lyx (both the standard version or the 
alternative installer), the installer will *automatically* change this 
option to "Yes". (it seems very strange)


This is done purposely Otherwise you will be prompted about 40 times to 
agree to the package installation. By omitting the prompt, you can go 
drinking a coffee while the packages are installed consecutively.



So, the trick is : (If you have no network or low speed of networks)

1,kill the last step configuration of installation of Lyx.
2,Setting the MikTex update option  *back* to "Ask me first".
3,start Lyx to let it initialize configuration , and When some message 
box prompt to ask whether downloading missing packages. I always 
choose "cancel".

4,After step 3, the Lyx can work now.


This is not working. Because then you don't have a fully working LyX 
installation. You are then for example not able to compile the 
documentation files like LyX's User's Guide and you cannot use all LyX 
features, for example subfloats and other key features.


By the way, Even I make a full installation of "basic MikTex 2.7", 
there are still several missing packages required by Lyx.


These are packages only available at special inter pages, mostly class 
and style files for scientific journals.


I'm struggling with this installation problem for about 24 Hours, All 
what I can do is "install" and "reinstall" of different packages again 
and again :-(
So, you can think how depressed I feel. Anyway, I surely solved this 
problem at last.


I don't understand why you cannot just wait untill all missing 
LaTeX-packages are installed. I mean you don't need to sit in front of 
your computer while this is done, you can also do other things in the 
meantime.


regards Uwe

Thanks, follow your advice, I completely updated the whole missing 
packages of Lyx, it takes *One hour*.(  a lot of patience need..)


But still I can't compile the "tutorial.lyx".

A MessageBox reported that" File does not exist..pdf", so, What's 
wrong with this problem? Thanks.

Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[asm23]

Another bug is that after reconfigure of Lyx.
The MiKTex server will always be *modified* to 
"ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/..;


So, I need to manually choose another faster one.

[correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Uwe Stöhr]

Hello LyXers,

I uploaded version 4.15 of the LyXWinInstaller that fixes two bugs:
- add missing Python file to be able to import CSV-files to LyX
- fix bug that PDF and EPS images weren't show in LyX

In case you are affected by these bugs, you have to reinstall LyX using this 
new installer version.

The installer can be downloaded from:
https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5117release_id=15475
and soon also from
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.6.0
(under the name AltInstaller)

(More infos about the installer can be found here:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyXWinInstaller )

sorry for the inconvenience and regards
Uwe

[correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Uwe Stöhr]

Hello LyXers,

I uploaded version 4.15 of the LyXWinInstaller that fixes two bugs:
- add missing Python file to be able to import CSV-files to LyX
- fix bug that PDF and EPS images weren't show in LyX

In case you are affected by these bugs, you have to reinstall LyX using this 
new installer version.

The installer can be downloaded from:
https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5117release_id=15475
and soon also from
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.6.0
(under the name AltInstaller)

(More infos about the installer can be found here:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyXWinInstaller )

sorry for the inconvenience and regards
Uwe

[correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0

[Uwe Stöhr]

Hello LyXers,

I uploaded version 4.15 of the LyXWinInstaller that fixes two bugs:
- add missing Python file to be able to import CSV-files to LyX
- fix bug that PDF and EPS images weren't show in LyX

In case you are affected by these bugs, you have to reinstall LyX using this 
new installer version.

The installer can be downloaded from:
https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5117_id=15475
and soon also from
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.6.0
(under the name AltInstaller)

(More infos about the installer can be found here:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyXWinInstaller )

sorry for the inconvenience and regards
Uwe