Translating theorem-like statements: 100%
Hi, I have uploaded my translations of the theorems-related modules to the wiki. You can find them on this page: http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/ThmsFr You're welcome to move or improve the page in any way. In particular, the step 2 would need to be adapted to other OSes than Linux: I don't have a Windows PC at hand with LyX installed, so I'm not sure how to replace ~/.lyx/layouts. Regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 100%
On 6/12/2010 10:55 AM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: You're welcome to move or improve the page in any way. In particular, the step 2 would need to be adapted to other OSes than Linux: I don't have a Windows PC at hand with LyX installed, so I'm not sure how to replace ~/.lyx/layouts. Thanks for uploading them. I tweaked step 2 so that it is now OS-agnostic. /Paul
Translating theorem-like statements: 100%
Hi, I have uploaded my translations of the theorems-related modules to the wiki. You can find them on this page: http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/ThmsFr You're welcome to move or improve the page in any way. In particular, the step 2 would need to be adapted to other OSes than Linux: I don't have a Windows PC at hand with LyX installed, so I'm not sure how to replace ~/.lyx/layouts. Regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 100%
On 6/12/2010 10:55 AM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: You're welcome to move or improve the page in any way. In particular, the step 2 would need to be adapted to other OSes than Linux: I don't have a Windows PC at hand with LyX installed, so I'm not sure how to replace ~/.lyx/layouts. Thanks for uploading them. I tweaked step 2 so that it is now OS-agnostic. /Paul
Translating theorem-like statements: 100%
Hi, I have uploaded my translations of the theorems-related modules to the wiki. You can find them on this page: http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/ThmsFr You're welcome to move or improve the page in any way. In particular, the "step 2" would need to be adapted to other OSes than Linux: I don't have a Windows PC at hand with LyX installed, so I'm not sure how to replace "~/.lyx/layouts". Regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 100%
On 6/12/2010 10:55 AM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: You're welcome to move or improve the page in any way. In particular, the "step 2" would need to be adapted to other OSes than Linux: I don't have a Windows PC at hand with LyX installed, so I'm not sure how to replace "~/.lyx/layouts". Thanks for uploading them. I tweaked step 2 so that it is now OS-agnostic. /Paul
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
Paul Rubin wrote: Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: That's certainly what I missed. If there's more to translate, I'll do it, and post about the results. Maybe I could make the translations available on the list and/or wiki then? Yes, please do consider putting them on the wiki. /Paul I'll gladly do this, just a couple of things to check before: 1) I completed my translations, including the labels (which I had skipped at first). In some files there is this line which I'm not sure about: LeftMarginCase ###. Do I have to translate this Case? 2) Among the various theorem-related files, some need no translation at all, namely: - theorems-ams-bytype.module - theorems-ams.module - theorems-order.inc - theorems-starred-equivalents.inc - theorems-starred.module If I pack the translated files in an archive for the wiki, can I safely omit these? I mean, if they are not present in the ~/.lyx/layouts folder, will LyX be able to pick the original ones in /usr/share/lyx/layouts? 3) What would be the best place to put the translations on the wiki? I tried to figure out where I would have searched them, but I found no obvious answer. BTW, everything works fully now. I can even use the theorems(AMS) modules with a non-AMS article class, thus solving my last little numbering issue. -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
On 6/11/2010 2:01 AM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: 1) I completed my translations, including the labels (which I had skipped at first). In some files there is this line which I'm not sure about: LeftMarginCase ###. Do I have to translate this Case? No; this is the on-screen label, so translate it only if you care whether the GUI is in English or French. The LabelString entry dictates what appears in the document, so you'll want to translate that. 2) Among the various theorem-related files, some need no translation at all, namely: - theorems-ams-bytype.module - theorems-ams.module - theorems-order.inc - theorems-starred-equivalents.inc - theorems-starred.module If I pack the translated files in an archive for the wiki, can I safely omit these? I mean, if they are not present in the ~/.lyx/layouts folder, will LyX be able to pick the original ones in /usr/share/lyx/layouts? Yes, LyX will find the standard ones, so you need only bundle those files that you are altering. 3) What would be the best place to put the translations on the wiki? I tried to figure out where I would have searched them, but I found no obvious answer. Best is always a subjective question when it comes to organizing the wiki. :-) There's a page for modules (http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/Modules) that contains theorem-ish modules I contributed; you might add them there. Alternatively, you could start your own page for translations. Cheers, Paul
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
Paul Rubin wrote: Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: That's certainly what I missed. If there's more to translate, I'll do it, and post about the results. Maybe I could make the translations available on the list and/or wiki then? Yes, please do consider putting them on the wiki. /Paul I'll gladly do this, just a couple of things to check before: 1) I completed my translations, including the labels (which I had skipped at first). In some files there is this line which I'm not sure about: LeftMarginCase ###. Do I have to translate this Case? 2) Among the various theorem-related files, some need no translation at all, namely: - theorems-ams-bytype.module - theorems-ams.module - theorems-order.inc - theorems-starred-equivalents.inc - theorems-starred.module If I pack the translated files in an archive for the wiki, can I safely omit these? I mean, if they are not present in the ~/.lyx/layouts folder, will LyX be able to pick the original ones in /usr/share/lyx/layouts? 3) What would be the best place to put the translations on the wiki? I tried to figure out where I would have searched them, but I found no obvious answer. BTW, everything works fully now. I can even use the theorems(AMS) modules with a non-AMS article class, thus solving my last little numbering issue. -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
On 6/11/2010 2:01 AM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: 1) I completed my translations, including the labels (which I had skipped at first). In some files there is this line which I'm not sure about: LeftMarginCase ###. Do I have to translate this Case? No; this is the on-screen label, so translate it only if you care whether the GUI is in English or French. The LabelString entry dictates what appears in the document, so you'll want to translate that. 2) Among the various theorem-related files, some need no translation at all, namely: - theorems-ams-bytype.module - theorems-ams.module - theorems-order.inc - theorems-starred-equivalents.inc - theorems-starred.module If I pack the translated files in an archive for the wiki, can I safely omit these? I mean, if they are not present in the ~/.lyx/layouts folder, will LyX be able to pick the original ones in /usr/share/lyx/layouts? Yes, LyX will find the standard ones, so you need only bundle those files that you are altering. 3) What would be the best place to put the translations on the wiki? I tried to figure out where I would have searched them, but I found no obvious answer. Best is always a subjective question when it comes to organizing the wiki. :-) There's a page for modules (http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/Modules) that contains theorem-ish modules I contributed; you might add them there. Alternatively, you could start your own page for translations. Cheers, Paul
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
Paul Rubin wrote: > Daniel CLEMENT prepas.org> writes: > > > > > > That's certainly what I missed. If there's more to translate, I'll do > > it, and post about the results. Maybe I could make the translations > > available on the list and/or wiki then? > > > > Yes, please do consider putting them on the wiki. > > /Paul > > > I'll gladly do this, just a couple of things to check before: 1) I completed my translations, including the labels (which I had skipped at first). In some files there is this line which I'm not sure about: LeftMargin"Case ###." Do I have to translate this "Case"? 2) Among the various theorem-related files, some need no translation at all, namely: - theorems-ams-bytype.module - theorems-ams.module - theorems-order.inc - theorems-starred-equivalents.inc - theorems-starred.module If I pack the translated files in an archive for the wiki, can I safely omit these? I mean, if they are not present in the ~/.lyx/layouts folder, will LyX be able to pick the original ones in /usr/share/lyx/layouts? 3) What would be the best place to put the translations on the wiki? I tried to figure out where I would have searched them, but I found no obvious answer. BTW, everything works fully now. I can even use the theorems(AMS) modules with a non-AMS article class, thus solving my last little numbering issue. -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
On 6/11/2010 2:01 AM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: 1) I completed my translations, including the labels (which I had skipped at first). In some files there is this line which I'm not sure about: LeftMargin"Case ###." Do I have to translate this "Case"? No; this is the on-screen label, so translate it only if you care whether the GUI is in English or French. The LabelString entry dictates what appears in the document, so you'll want to translate that. 2) Among the various theorem-related files, some need no translation at all, namely: - theorems-ams-bytype.module - theorems-ams.module - theorems-order.inc - theorems-starred-equivalents.inc - theorems-starred.module If I pack the translated files in an archive for the wiki, can I safely omit these? I mean, if they are not present in the ~/.lyx/layouts folder, will LyX be able to pick the original ones in /usr/share/lyx/layouts? Yes, LyX will find the standard ones, so you need only bundle those files that you are altering. 3) What would be the best place to put the translations on the wiki? I tried to figure out where I would have searched them, but I found no obvious answer. Best is always a subjective question when it comes to organizing the wiki. :-) There's a page for modules (http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/Modules) that contains theorem-ish modules I contributed; you might add them there. Alternatively, you could start your own page for translations. Cheers, Paul
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
On 6/9/2010 12:44 PM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: However, I can't get independent numbering with this module. I can do without it... But if I switch my document to an AMS-article, and load AMS theorems modules, I don't get anything translated in preview (but the LyX window does show the French names). Have you put translated copies of thms-ams.inc, thms-starred.inc and thms-proof.inc in your local layouts directory? Also thms-ams-bytype.inc if you want numbering within types? (Basically, you'll want to translate all thms-whatever.inc files, I think.) /Paul
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
Paul A. Rubin wrote: On 6/9/2010 12:44 PM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: However, I can't get independent numbering with this module. I can do without it... But if I switch my document to an AMS-article, and load AMS theorems modules, I don't get anything translated in preview (but the LyX window does show the French names). Have you put translated copies of thms-ams.inc, thms-starred.inc and thms-proof.inc in your local layouts directory? Also thms-ams-bytype.inc if you want numbering within types? (Basically, you'll want to translate all thms-whatever.inc files, I think.) /Paul No! I just took the zipped archive that Ignacio Garcia had posted, and translated his Spanish translations into French (refreshing my Spanish in the process). That's certainly what I missed. If there's more to translate, I'll do it, and post about the results. Maybe I could make the translations available on the list and/or wiki then? Regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: That's certainly what I missed. If there's more to translate, I'll do it, and post about the results. Maybe I could make the translations available on the list and/or wiki then? Yes, please do consider putting them on the wiki. /Paul
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
On 6/9/2010 12:44 PM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: However, I can't get independent numbering with this module. I can do without it... But if I switch my document to an AMS-article, and load AMS theorems modules, I don't get anything translated in preview (but the LyX window does show the French names). Have you put translated copies of thms-ams.inc, thms-starred.inc and thms-proof.inc in your local layouts directory? Also thms-ams-bytype.inc if you want numbering within types? (Basically, you'll want to translate all thms-whatever.inc files, I think.) /Paul
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
Paul A. Rubin wrote: On 6/9/2010 12:44 PM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: However, I can't get independent numbering with this module. I can do without it... But if I switch my document to an AMS-article, and load AMS theorems modules, I don't get anything translated in preview (but the LyX window does show the French names). Have you put translated copies of thms-ams.inc, thms-starred.inc and thms-proof.inc in your local layouts directory? Also thms-ams-bytype.inc if you want numbering within types? (Basically, you'll want to translate all thms-whatever.inc files, I think.) /Paul No! I just took the zipped archive that Ignacio Garcia had posted, and translated his Spanish translations into French (refreshing my Spanish in the process). That's certainly what I missed. If there's more to translate, I'll do it, and post about the results. Maybe I could make the translations available on the list and/or wiki then? Regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: That's certainly what I missed. If there's more to translate, I'll do it, and post about the results. Maybe I could make the translations available on the list and/or wiki then? Yes, please do consider putting them on the wiki. /Paul
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
On 6/9/2010 12:44 PM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: However, I can't get independent numbering with this module. I can do without it... But if I switch my document to an AMS-article, and load AMS theorems modules, I don't get anything translated in preview (but the LyX window does show the French names). Have you put translated copies of thms-ams.inc, thms-starred.inc and thms-proof.inc in your local layouts directory? Also thms-ams-bytype.inc if you want numbering within types? (Basically, you'll want to translate all thms-whatever.inc files, I think.) /Paul
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
Paul A. Rubin wrote: > On 6/9/2010 12:44 PM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: > > However, I can't get independent numbering with this module. I can do > > without it... But if I switch my document to an AMS-article, and load > > AMS theorems modules, I don't get anything translated in preview (but > > the LyX window does show the French names). > > > Have you put translated copies of thms-ams.inc, thms-starred.inc and > thms-proof.inc in your local layouts directory? Also > thms-ams-bytype.inc if you want numbering within types? (Basically, > you'll want to translate all thms-whatever.inc files, I think.) > > /Paul > > > No! I just took the zipped archive that Ignacio Garcia had posted, and translated his Spanish translations into French (refreshing my Spanish in the process). That's certainly what I missed. If there's more to translate, I'll do it, and post about the results. Maybe I could make the translations available on the list and/or wiki then? Regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
Daniel CLEMENT prepas.org> writes: > > That's certainly what I missed. If there's more to translate, I'll do > it, and post about the results. Maybe I could make the translations > available on the list and/or wiki then? > Yes, please do consider putting them on the wiki. /Paul
Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
Hello, Here is just a little summary of what works and the (very) little that doesn't work. PDF with Beamer is fully translated in preview as well as in the LyX window. (I don't know which setting in my ~/.lyx folder interfered...) For printouts, I was able to get Ignacio Garcia's solution working (thanks!) -- for reference: http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg73409.html What was wrong here in my case was a mismatch between modules and document class (I tried an AMS module with a non-AMS article). With the simple theorems module, it's OK. However, I can't get independent numbering with this module. I can do without it... But if I switch my document to an AMS-article, and load AMS theorems modules, I don't get anything translated in preview (but the LyX window does show the French names). So it's practically solved for me, but there remains some things I don't quite understand. Thanks again to those who helped me, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
Hello, Here is just a little summary of what works and the (very) little that doesn't work. PDF with Beamer is fully translated in preview as well as in the LyX window. (I don't know which setting in my ~/.lyx folder interfered...) For printouts, I was able to get Ignacio Garcia's solution working (thanks!) -- for reference: http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg73409.html What was wrong here in my case was a mismatch between modules and document class (I tried an AMS module with a non-AMS article). With the simple theorems module, it's OK. However, I can't get independent numbering with this module. I can do without it... But if I switch my document to an AMS-article, and load AMS theorems modules, I don't get anything translated in preview (but the LyX window does show the French names). So it's practically solved for me, but there remains some things I don't quite understand. Thanks again to those who helped me, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Translating theorem-like statements: 75% solved
Hello, Here is just a little summary of what works and the (very) little that doesn't work. PDF with Beamer is fully translated in preview as well as in the LyX window. (I don't know which setting in my ~/.lyx folder interfered...) For printouts, I was able to get Ignacio Garcia's solution working (thanks!) -- for reference: http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg73409.html What was wrong here in my case was a mismatch between modules and document class (I tried an AMS module with a non-AMS article). With the simple "theorems" module, it's OK. However, I can't get independent numbering with this module. I can do without it... But if I switch my document to an AMS-article, and load AMS theorems modules, I don't get anything translated in preview (but the LyX window does show the French names). So it's practically solved for me, but there remains some things I don't quite understand. Thanks again to those who helped me, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Paul Rubin wrote: Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: ... he provided an archive containing seven .inc and .modules files. I downloaded them. I reviewed each of them, replacing the Spanish translations by the French ones. Then, I placed the modified files in ~/.lyx/layouts/ as per I. Gaarcia's instructions. I expected LyX to use them automatically, but I must be missing some point. Did you reconfigure and restart LyX after installing the translated versions? /Paul I had forgotten to do this. I tried today, but unfortunately it didn't help. Here is the contents of my ~/.lyx/layouts folder: theorems-ams-extended.module theorems-ams.inc theorems.inc theorems-starred-equivalents.inc theorems-starred.inc theorems-starred.module theorems-std.module Maybe I should move the whole /usr/share/lyx/layouts there? I even thought of modifying the original files (probably a bad idea). Moreover, I wonder how the statements will get translated in Beamer, as it doesn't seem to use any of the theorems modules (but there is a choice of theorems in the drop-down box). I'm wondering if there is other places where translations are needed. -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: Paul Rubin wrote: Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: ... he provided an archive containing seven .inc and .modules files. I downloaded them. I reviewed each of them, replacing the Spanish translations by the French ones. Then, I placed the modified files in ~/.lyx/layouts/ as per I. Gaarcia's instructions. I expected LyX to use them automatically, but I must be missing some point. Did you reconfigure and restart LyX after installing the translated versions? /Paul I had forgotten to do this. I tried today, but unfortunately it didn't help. Moreover, I wonder how the statements will get translated in Beamer, as it doesn't seem to use any of the theorems modules (but there is a choice of theorems in the drop-down box). I'm wondering if there is other places where translations are needed. The translation of the theorem related strings in beamer documents don't use the modules mechanism, so you should not load the modules in .lyx/layouts folder for beamer documents. Then, as Richard Heck says: Here's the good news: LyX 2.0 handles this sort of thing automatically. Yes, but it follows useless for beamer presentation Beamer class use automatically the package 'translator' to translate 'definition' 'example' and the like. Therefore, for translating the beamer theorem strings into spanish I need one of these ways: 1) make a spanish '.dict' file 2) adding to the LaTeX preamble commands as they are explained in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/I18nLabels And now it's the strange thing: the package translator provides natively the french '.dict' file (see /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/translator), Then, a french beamer doc should be automatically translated: in fact, here I open the template file fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx and I view 'corollaire' théorème' in LyX window and also in pdf output. Regards Ignacio G.
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Ignacio García ignacio.gmorales at gmail.com writes: And now it's the strange thing: the package translator provides natively the french '.dict' file (see /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/translator), Then, a french beamer doc should be automatically translated: in fact, here I open the template file fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx and I view 'corollaire' théorème' in LyX window and also in pdf output. One more hint. Perhaps you have not installed the package 'translator'. This package is included in the .deb package texlive-latex-extra 2009-7ubuntu3 available in the repositories for Ubuntu Lucid. Regards Ignacio G.
Re: Translating theorem-like statements [PARTLY SOLVED]
Thank you for your help, Ignacio García wrote: Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: [...] The translation of the theorem related strings in beamer documents don't use the modules mechanism, so you should not load the modules in .lyx/layouts folder for beamer documents. I don't do that. (Well, I tried, but it did not work.) Then, as Richard Heck says: Here's the good news: LyX 2.0 handles this sort of thing automatically. I'd rather get this working in 1.6.5... Yes, but it follows useless for beamer presentation Beamer class use automatically the package 'translator' to translate 'definition' 'example' and the like. Therefore, for translating the beamer theorem strings into spanish I need one of these ways: 1) make a spanish '.dict' file 2) adding to the LaTeX preamble commands as they are explained in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/I18nLabels Sure. I'll do that if nothing else works, but as you say, it should not be needed. And now it's the strange thing: the package translator provides natively the french '.dict' file (see /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/translator), I confirm the /translator folder is here. The translator-theorem-dictionary-French.dict looks right. The translator package appears to be loaded automatically by the default (Warsaw) Beamer theme. Then, a french beamer doc should be automatically translated: in fact, here I open the template file fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx and I view 'corollaire' théorème' in LyX window Indeed in my LyX window it's OK too. So, something has to be working there, at least partially... and also in pdf output. Too bad! I can't see the translations in preview... (only 'corollary', 'theorem'...). Regards Ignacio G. When I read this, I had the idea of renaming my ~/.lyx folder. Tried a new French Beamer template and previewed... and bingo! The theorem names were in French. So, something in my ~/.lyx folder interfered with the translations. I think I'll keep the fresh ~/.lyx and carefully restore the settings I need. I'm also pretty confident that it will also solve my second problem (the printed documents, and the solution you described in your April 2009 mail, that I could not get working so far). Regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Paul Rubin wrote: Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: ... he provided an archive containing seven .inc and .modules files. I downloaded them. I reviewed each of them, replacing the Spanish translations by the French ones. Then, I placed the modified files in ~/.lyx/layouts/ as per I. Gaarcia's instructions. I expected LyX to use them automatically, but I must be missing some point. Did you reconfigure and restart LyX after installing the translated versions? /Paul I had forgotten to do this. I tried today, but unfortunately it didn't help. Here is the contents of my ~/.lyx/layouts folder: theorems-ams-extended.module theorems-ams.inc theorems.inc theorems-starred-equivalents.inc theorems-starred.inc theorems-starred.module theorems-std.module Maybe I should move the whole /usr/share/lyx/layouts there? I even thought of modifying the original files (probably a bad idea). Moreover, I wonder how the statements will get translated in Beamer, as it doesn't seem to use any of the theorems modules (but there is a choice of theorems in the drop-down box). I'm wondering if there is other places where translations are needed. -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: Paul Rubin wrote: Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: ... he provided an archive containing seven .inc and .modules files. I downloaded them. I reviewed each of them, replacing the Spanish translations by the French ones. Then, I placed the modified files in ~/.lyx/layouts/ as per I. Gaarcia's instructions. I expected LyX to use them automatically, but I must be missing some point. Did you reconfigure and restart LyX after installing the translated versions? /Paul I had forgotten to do this. I tried today, but unfortunately it didn't help. Moreover, I wonder how the statements will get translated in Beamer, as it doesn't seem to use any of the theorems modules (but there is a choice of theorems in the drop-down box). I'm wondering if there is other places where translations are needed. The translation of the theorem related strings in beamer documents don't use the modules mechanism, so you should not load the modules in .lyx/layouts folder for beamer documents. Then, as Richard Heck says: Here's the good news: LyX 2.0 handles this sort of thing automatically. Yes, but it follows useless for beamer presentation Beamer class use automatically the package 'translator' to translate 'definition' 'example' and the like. Therefore, for translating the beamer theorem strings into spanish I need one of these ways: 1) make a spanish '.dict' file 2) adding to the LaTeX preamble commands as they are explained in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/I18nLabels And now it's the strange thing: the package translator provides natively the french '.dict' file (see /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/translator), Then, a french beamer doc should be automatically translated: in fact, here I open the template file fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx and I view 'corollaire' théorème' in LyX window and also in pdf output. Regards Ignacio G.
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Ignacio García ignacio.gmorales at gmail.com writes: And now it's the strange thing: the package translator provides natively the french '.dict' file (see /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/translator), Then, a french beamer doc should be automatically translated: in fact, here I open the template file fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx and I view 'corollaire' théorème' in LyX window and also in pdf output. One more hint. Perhaps you have not installed the package 'translator'. This package is included in the .deb package texlive-latex-extra 2009-7ubuntu3 available in the repositories for Ubuntu Lucid. Regards Ignacio G.
Re: Translating theorem-like statements [PARTLY SOLVED]
Thank you for your help, Ignacio García wrote: Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: [...] The translation of the theorem related strings in beamer documents don't use the modules mechanism, so you should not load the modules in .lyx/layouts folder for beamer documents. I don't do that. (Well, I tried, but it did not work.) Then, as Richard Heck says: Here's the good news: LyX 2.0 handles this sort of thing automatically. I'd rather get this working in 1.6.5... Yes, but it follows useless for beamer presentation Beamer class use automatically the package 'translator' to translate 'definition' 'example' and the like. Therefore, for translating the beamer theorem strings into spanish I need one of these ways: 1) make a spanish '.dict' file 2) adding to the LaTeX preamble commands as they are explained in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/I18nLabels Sure. I'll do that if nothing else works, but as you say, it should not be needed. And now it's the strange thing: the package translator provides natively the french '.dict' file (see /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/translator), I confirm the /translator folder is here. The translator-theorem-dictionary-French.dict looks right. The translator package appears to be loaded automatically by the default (Warsaw) Beamer theme. Then, a french beamer doc should be automatically translated: in fact, here I open the template file fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx and I view 'corollaire' théorème' in LyX window Indeed in my LyX window it's OK too. So, something has to be working there, at least partially... and also in pdf output. Too bad! I can't see the translations in preview... (only 'corollary', 'theorem'...). Regards Ignacio G. When I read this, I had the idea of renaming my ~/.lyx folder. Tried a new French Beamer template and previewed... and bingo! The theorem names were in French. So, something in my ~/.lyx folder interfered with the translations. I think I'll keep the fresh ~/.lyx and carefully restore the settings I need. I'm also pretty confident that it will also solve my second problem (the printed documents, and the solution you described in your April 2009 mail, that I could not get working so far). Regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Paul Rubin wrote: > Daniel CLEMENT prepas.org> writes: > > > > ... he provided an archive containing seven .inc and .modules files. I > > downloaded them. I reviewed each of them, replacing the Spanish > > translations by the French ones. Then, I placed the modified files in > > ~/.lyx/layouts/ as per I. Gaarcia's instructions. > > > > I expected LyX to use them automatically, but I must be missing some > > point. > > Did you reconfigure and restart LyX after installing the translated versions? > > /Paul I had forgotten to do this. I tried today, but unfortunately it didn't help. Here is the contents of my ~/.lyx/layouts folder: theorems-ams-extended.module theorems-ams.inc theorems.inc theorems-starred-equivalents.inc theorems-starred.inc theorems-starred.module theorems-std.module Maybe I should move the whole /usr/share/lyx/layouts there? I even thought of modifying the original files (probably a bad idea). Moreover, I wonder how the statements will get translated in Beamer, as it doesn't seem to use any of the theorems modules (but there is a choice of theorems in the drop-down box). I'm wondering if there is other places where translations are needed. -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Daniel CLEMENT prepas.org> writes: > > Paul Rubin wrote: > > Daniel CLEMENT prepas.org> writes: > > > > > > ... he provided an archive containing seven .inc and .modules files. I > > > downloaded them. I reviewed each of them, replacing the Spanish > > > translations by the French ones. Then, I placed the modified files in > > > ~/.lyx/layouts/ as per I. Gaarcia's instructions. > > > > > > I expected LyX to use them automatically, but I must be missing some > > > point. > > > > Did you reconfigure and restart LyX after installing the translated > > versions? > > > > /Paul > I had forgotten to do this. I tried today, but unfortunately it didn't > help. > > Moreover, I wonder how the statements will get translated in Beamer, as > it doesn't seem to use any of the theorems modules (but there is a > choice of theorems in the drop-down box). > I'm wondering if there is other places where translations are needed. The translation of the theorem related strings in beamer documents don't use the modules mechanism, so you should not load the modules in .lyx/layouts folder for beamer documents. Then, as Richard Heck says: "Here's the good news: LyX 2.0 handles this sort of thing automatically." Yes, but it follows useless for beamer presentation Beamer class use automatically the package 'translator' to translate 'definition' 'example' and the like. Therefore, for translating the beamer theorem strings into spanish I need one of these ways: 1) make a spanish '.dict' file 2) adding to the LaTeX preamble commands as they are explained in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/I18nLabels And now it's the strange thing: the package translator provides natively the french '.dict' file (see /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/translator), Then, a french beamer doc should be automatically translated: in fact, here I open the template file fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx and I view 'corollaire' théorème' in LyX window and also in pdf output. Regards Ignacio G.
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Ignacio García gmail.com> writes: > And now it's the strange thing: the package translator provides natively > the french '.dict' file (see /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/translator), > Then, a french beamer doc should be automatically translated: in fact, > here I open the template file fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx > and I view 'corollaire' théorème' in LyX window and also in pdf output. One more hint. Perhaps you have not installed the package 'translator'. This package is included in the .deb package texlive-latex-extra 2009-7ubuntu3 available in the repositories for Ubuntu Lucid. Regards Ignacio G.
Re: Translating theorem-like statements [PARTLY SOLVED]
Thank you for your help, Ignacio García wrote: > Daniel CLEMENT prepas.org> writes: [...] > The translation of the theorem related strings in beamer documents don't use > the modules mechanism, so you should not load the modules in .lyx/layouts > folder for beamer documents. I don't do that. (Well, I tried, but it did not work.) > > Then, as Richard Heck says: > "Here's the good news: LyX 2.0 handles this sort of thing automatically." I'd rather get this working in 1.6.5... > > Yes, but it follows useless for beamer presentation > > Beamer class use automatically the package 'translator' to translate > 'definition' 'example' and the like. Therefore, for translating the beamer > theorem strings into spanish I need one of these ways: > > 1) make a spanish '.dict' file > > 2) adding to the LaTeX preamble commands as they are explained in > http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/I18nLabels Sure. I'll do that if nothing else works, but as you say, it should not be needed. > > And now it's the strange thing: the package translator provides natively > the french '.dict' file (see /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/translator), I confirm the /translator folder is here. The translator-theorem-dictionary-French.dict looks right. The translator package appears to be loaded automatically by the default (Warsaw) Beamer theme. > Then, a french beamer doc should be automatically translated: in fact, > here I open the template file fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx > and I view 'corollaire' théorème' in LyX window Indeed in my LyX window it's OK too. So, something has to be working there, at least partially... > and also in pdf output. Too bad! I can't see the translations in preview... (only 'corollary', 'theorem'...). > > Regards > Ignacio G. > When I read this, I had the idea of renaming my ~/.lyx folder. Tried a new French Beamer template and previewed... and bingo! The theorem names were in French. So, something in my ~/.lyx folder interfered with the translations. I think I'll keep the fresh ~/.lyx and carefully restore the settings I need. I'm also pretty confident that it will also solve my second problem (the printed documents, and the solution you described in your April 2009 mail, that I could not get working so far). Regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Translating theorem-like statements
Dear list members, I am struggling a little to get my theorem headers translated into French. The problem is twofold: For printed documents, I can't get the full benefit of the modules features as if I load, e.g. Theorems (AMS), the headers come out in English (not surprisingly, also in English in the LyX window). So I have to revert to ERT and \newtheorem in the preamble. But I'll need to use Beamer int the next months, so I made some tests. I choose File - New with template - fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx. No module needs to be loaded to get theorem, corollary,... in the drop-down box. They appear in French, as well as in the LyX window. Alas, they preview in English. I have reviewed the post on April, 22, 2009 by Michael Solis Chacon and the reply by Ignacio García, but I was unable to get it working: I did translate the .modules and .inc files, but I don't know how to make LyX use them. I'd appreciate if someone had a workaround. TIA - regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
On 06/07/2010 11:01 AM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: Dear list members, I am struggling a little to get my theorem headers translated into French. The problem is twofold: For printed documents, I can't get the full benefit of the modules features as if I load, e.g. Theorems (AMS), the headers come out in English (not surprisingly, also in English in the LyX window). So I have to revert to ERT and \newtheorem in the preamble. But I'll need to use Beamer int the next months, so I made some tests. I choose File - New with template - fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx. No module needs to be loaded to get theorem, corollary,... in the drop-down box. They appear in French, as well as in the LyX window. Alas, they preview in English. Here's the good news: LyX 2.0 handles this sort of thing automatically. So, if you are very, very brave and willing to put up with some issues, you might try it for this purpose. I have reviewed the post on April, 22, 2009 by Michael Solis Chacon and the reply by Ignacio García, but I was unable to get it working: I did translate the .modules and .inc files, but I don't know how to make LyX use them. Please tell me precisely what you did. Richard
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Thank you for replying so quickly. Here are some more details below. Richard Heck wrote: On 06/07/2010 11:01 AM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: Dear list members, I am struggling a little to get my theorem headers translated into French. The problem is twofold: For printed documents, I can't get the full benefit of the modules features as if I load, e.g. Theorems (AMS), the headers come out in English (not surprisingly, also in English in the LyX window). So I have to revert to ERT and \newtheorem in the preamble. But I'll need to use Beamer int the next months, so I made some tests. I choose File - New with template - fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx. No module needs to be loaded to get theorem, corollary,... in the drop-down box. They appear in French, as well as in the LyX window. Alas, they preview in English. Here's the good news: LyX 2.0 handles this sort of thing automatically. So, if you are very, very brave and willing to put up with some issues, you might try it for this purpose. To be honest, I not much of a beta-tester... I am only using version 1.6.5 because it's in the repositories for Ubuntu Lucid. I have reviewed the post on April, 22, 2009 by Michael Solis Chacon and the reply by Ignacio García, but I was unable to get it working: I did translate the .modules and .inc files, but I don't know how to make LyX use them. Please tell me precisely what you did. Richard I tried to mimic the solution offered by Ignacio Garcia for Spanish. In this mail: http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg73409.html ... he provided an archive containing seven .inc and .modules files. I downloaded them. I reviewed each of them, replacing the Spanish translations by the French ones. Then, I placed the modified files in ~/.lyx/layouts/ as per I. Gaarcia's instructions. I expected LyX to use them automatically, but I must be missing some point. -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: ... he provided an archive containing seven .inc and .modules files. I downloaded them. I reviewed each of them, replacing the Spanish translations by the French ones. Then, I placed the modified files in ~/.lyx/layouts/ as per I. Gaarcia's instructions. I expected LyX to use them automatically, but I must be missing some point. Did you reconfigure and restart LyX after installing the translated versions? /Paul
Translating theorem-like statements
Dear list members, I am struggling a little to get my theorem headers translated into French. The problem is twofold: For printed documents, I can't get the full benefit of the modules features as if I load, e.g. Theorems (AMS), the headers come out in English (not surprisingly, also in English in the LyX window). So I have to revert to ERT and \newtheorem in the preamble. But I'll need to use Beamer int the next months, so I made some tests. I choose File - New with template - fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx. No module needs to be loaded to get theorem, corollary,... in the drop-down box. They appear in French, as well as in the LyX window. Alas, they preview in English. I have reviewed the post on April, 22, 2009 by Michael Solis Chacon and the reply by Ignacio García, but I was unable to get it working: I did translate the .modules and .inc files, but I don't know how to make LyX use them. I'd appreciate if someone had a workaround. TIA - regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
On 06/07/2010 11:01 AM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: Dear list members, I am struggling a little to get my theorem headers translated into French. The problem is twofold: For printed documents, I can't get the full benefit of the modules features as if I load, e.g. Theorems (AMS), the headers come out in English (not surprisingly, also in English in the LyX window). So I have to revert to ERT and \newtheorem in the preamble. But I'll need to use Beamer int the next months, so I made some tests. I choose File - New with template - fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx. No module needs to be loaded to get theorem, corollary,... in the drop-down box. They appear in French, as well as in the LyX window. Alas, they preview in English. Here's the good news: LyX 2.0 handles this sort of thing automatically. So, if you are very, very brave and willing to put up with some issues, you might try it for this purpose. I have reviewed the post on April, 22, 2009 by Michael Solis Chacon and the reply by Ignacio García, but I was unable to get it working: I did translate the .modules and .inc files, but I don't know how to make LyX use them. Please tell me precisely what you did. Richard
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Thank you for replying so quickly. Here are some more details below. Richard Heck wrote: On 06/07/2010 11:01 AM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: Dear list members, I am struggling a little to get my theorem headers translated into French. The problem is twofold: For printed documents, I can't get the full benefit of the modules features as if I load, e.g. Theorems (AMS), the headers come out in English (not surprisingly, also in English in the LyX window). So I have to revert to ERT and \newtheorem in the preamble. But I'll need to use Beamer int the next months, so I made some tests. I choose File - New with template - fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx. No module needs to be loaded to get theorem, corollary,... in the drop-down box. They appear in French, as well as in the LyX window. Alas, they preview in English. Here's the good news: LyX 2.0 handles this sort of thing automatically. So, if you are very, very brave and willing to put up with some issues, you might try it for this purpose. To be honest, I not much of a beta-tester... I am only using version 1.6.5 because it's in the repositories for Ubuntu Lucid. I have reviewed the post on April, 22, 2009 by Michael Solis Chacon and the reply by Ignacio García, but I was unable to get it working: I did translate the .modules and .inc files, but I don't know how to make LyX use them. Please tell me precisely what you did. Richard I tried to mimic the solution offered by Ignacio Garcia for Spanish. In this mail: http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg73409.html ... he provided an archive containing seven .inc and .modules files. I downloaded them. I reviewed each of them, replacing the Spanish translations by the French ones. Then, I placed the modified files in ~/.lyx/layouts/ as per I. Gaarcia's instructions. I expected LyX to use them automatically, but I must be missing some point. -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Daniel CLEMENT daniel.clement at prepas.org writes: ... he provided an archive containing seven .inc and .modules files. I downloaded them. I reviewed each of them, replacing the Spanish translations by the French ones. Then, I placed the modified files in ~/.lyx/layouts/ as per I. Gaarcia's instructions. I expected LyX to use them automatically, but I must be missing some point. Did you reconfigure and restart LyX after installing the translated versions? /Paul
Translating theorem-like statements
Dear list members, I am struggling a little to get my theorem headers translated into French. The problem is twofold: For printed documents, I can't get the full benefit of the "modules" features as if I load, e.g. "Theorems (AMS)", the headers come out in English (not surprisingly, also in English in the LyX window). So I have to revert to ERT and \newtheorem in the preamble. But I'll need to use Beamer int the next months, so I made some tests. I choose File - New with template - fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx. No module needs to be loaded to get "theorem", "corollary",... in the drop-down box. They appear in French, as well as in the LyX window. Alas, they preview in English. I have reviewed the post on April, 22, 2009 by Michael Solis Chacon and the reply by Ignacio García, but I was unable to get it working: I did translate the .modules and .inc files, but I don't know how to make LyX use them. I'd appreciate if someone had a workaround. TIA - regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
On 06/07/2010 11:01 AM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: Dear list members, I am struggling a little to get my theorem headers translated into French. The problem is twofold: For printed documents, I can't get the full benefit of the "modules" features as if I load, e.g. "Theorems (AMS)", the headers come out in English (not surprisingly, also in English in the LyX window). So I have to revert to ERT and \newtheorem in the preamble. But I'll need to use Beamer int the next months, so I made some tests. I choose File - New with template - fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx. No module needs to be loaded to get "theorem", "corollary",... in the drop-down box. They appear in French, as well as in the LyX window. Alas, they preview in English. Here's the good news: LyX 2.0 handles this sort of thing automatically. So, if you are very, very brave and willing to put up with some issues, you might try it for this purpose. I have reviewed the post on April, 22, 2009 by Michael Solis Chacon and the reply by Ignacio García, but I was unable to get it working: I did translate the .modules and .inc files, but I don't know how to make LyX use them. Please tell me precisely what you did. Richard
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Thank you for replying so quickly. Here are some more details below. Richard Heck wrote: > On 06/07/2010 11:01 AM, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: > > Dear list members, > > > > I am struggling a little to get my theorem headers translated into > > French. The problem is twofold: > > > > For printed documents, I can't get the full benefit of the "modules" > > features as if I load, > > e.g. "Theorems (AMS)", the headers come out in English (not > > surprisingly, also in English in the LyX window). So I have to revert to > > ERT and \newtheorem in the preamble. > > > > But I'll need to use Beamer int the next months, so I made some tests. I > > choose File - New with template - fr_beamer-conference-ornate-20min.lyx. > > No module needs to be loaded to get "theorem", "corollary",... in the > > drop-down box. They appear in French, as well as in the LyX window. > > Alas, they preview in English. > > > > > Here's the good news: LyX 2.0 handles this sort of thing automatically. > So, if you are very, very brave and willing to put up with some issues, > you might try it for this purpose. To be honest, I not much of a beta-tester... I am only using version 1.6.5 because it's in the repositories for Ubuntu Lucid. > > > I have reviewed the post on April, 22, 2009 by Michael Solis Chacon and the > > reply by > > Ignacio García, but I was unable to get it working: I did translate > > the .modules and .inc files, but I don't know how to make LyX use them. > > > > > Please tell me precisely what you did. > > Richard > > I tried to mimic the solution offered by Ignacio Garcia for Spanish. In this mail: http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg73409.html ... he provided an archive containing seven .inc and .modules files. I downloaded them. I reviewed each of them, replacing the Spanish translations by the French ones. Then, I placed the modified files in ~/.lyx/layouts/ as per I. Gaarcia's instructions. I expected LyX to use them automatically, but I must be missing some point. -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Translating theorem-like statements
Daniel CLEMENT prepas.org> writes: > > ... he provided an archive containing seven .inc and .modules files. I > downloaded them. I reviewed each of them, replacing the Spanish > translations by the French ones. Then, I placed the modified files in > ~/.lyx/layouts/ as per I. Gaarcia's instructions. > > I expected LyX to use them automatically, but I must be missing some > point. Did you reconfigure and restart LyX after installing the translated versions? /Paul
