Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
Yago schrieb: Uwe, in the page 2 you have on top an specific trigonometric example (Blancos) without brackets. As I stated in my last email this document is not correct because it violates the norm ISO 31 although the document states that it follows it. And more, when I say that the brackets are no necessary is because LaTeX add a little space between the function and his argument. So the reality is that LaTeX don't type, cos2vt but, cos 2vt with a little more space after "cos" and this is very comprehensive for everybody. This is nevertheless against the possibility to omit the braces only for 1 or 2 characters in the argument as defined in the norm. Don't you own a math or physics book or at least a school book? There you ca see how it is done. Please don't mention me the Wikipedia because this resource isn't at all a "canon" for nothing. The Wikipedia is the most impartial resource you can find. When you think there's something wrong you can correct it and cite other resources like books and norms. And furthermore, as everybody is writing it, mathematicians, as well as engineers, physicists, etc., the typesetting follows the common rules to avoid misunderstandings. (You are a military officer and know that most conflicts arise only out of misunderstandings.) regards Uwe
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
Uwe, in the page 2 you have on top an specific trigonometric example (Blancos) without brackets. And more, when I say that the brackets are no necessary is because LaTeX add a little space between the function and his argument. So the reality is that LaTeX don't type, cos2vt but, cos 2vt with a little more space after "cos" and this is very comprehensive for everybody. Please don't mention me the Wikipedia because this resource isn't at all a "canon" for nothing. Regards Yago. - Original Message - From: "Uwe Stöhr" To: "Yago" Cc: "LyX-Users" Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Vertical spacing of matrices Yago schrieb: See the page Nr. 2 in the document ortomatem.pdf refered in the Lyx's Math Manual, There is no such reference. I googled this: http://www.tex-tipografia.com/archive/ortomatem.pdf There the also using round brackets on page 2 (Disposición de fórmulas aisladas) page and 13 They write there for example cos2vt This is inexact wrong because this could mean cos(2)*v*t or cos(2*v)*t Moreover this is against the the character omitting rules, see below. in the same document;and the reference to the ISO 31 in the page Nr. 18 about the round brackets. In the norm it is defined that you _can_ but needn't to omit the brackets. But omitting the brackets leads to inexact result: tan2pt versus tan2pt In the first case I meant tan(2)*p*t, in the second I meant tan(2*p)*t. So you see the problem. Besides this, look at http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funci%C3%B3n_matem%C3%A1tica all other Wikipedia entries state the same. Typesetting rules are important to be able to communicate with each other. You can take any math book, look at webpages, school books, and also another LyX user told you as mathematician that your notation is incorrect. So it's up to you to change it or to ignore this. regards Uwe
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
Yago schrieb: See the page Nr. 2 in the document ortomatem.pdf refered in the Lyx's Math Manual, There is no such reference. I googled this: http://www.tex-tipografia.com/archive/ortomatem.pdf There the also using round brackets on page 2 (Disposición de fórmulas aisladas) page and 13 They write there for example cos2vt This is inexact wrong because this could mean cos(2)*v*t or cos(2*v)*t Moreover this is against the the character omitting rules, see below. in the same document;and the reference to the ISO 31 in the page Nr. 18 about the round brackets. In the norm it is defined that you _can_ but needn't to omit the brackets. But omitting the brackets leads to inexact result: tan2pt versus tan2pt In the first case I meant tan(2)*p*t, in the second I meant tan(2*p)*t. So you see the problem. Besides this, look at http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funci%C3%B3n_matem%C3%A1tica all other Wikipedia entries state the same. Typesetting rules are important to be able to communicate with each other. You can take any math book, look at webpages, school books, and also another LyX user told you as mathematician that your notation is incorrect. So it's up to you to change it or to ignore this. regards Uwe
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
See the page Nr. 2 in the document ortomatem.pdf refered in the Lyx's Math Manual, or pages Nrs. 6, 8 and 13 in the same document;and the reference to the ISO 31 in the page Nr. 18 about the round brackets. All the trigonometric functions without brackets I suppose not only for naval military uses and not for my personal use. - Original Message - From: "Uwe Stöhr" To: "Yago" Cc: "LyX-Users" Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Vertical spacing of matrices > Yago schrieb: > >> For example when you say, >> >> (when the "sin" would not be upright, it would even mean s*i*n*1/2) >> >> you don't remember the "lineal functions" (archs) in a circle that are >> typed with the first letter upright, like this: >> >> Sin AM > > I meant upright (the opposite of italic) and not uppercase. > > Nevertheless, Bruce also described what I meant in his today's post in this > email thread: You are > using your own typesetting rules making communication with the rest of the > world complicted. > > The appendix of LyX's Math manual consists of a list of math typesetting > rules. You might at least > have a look at them in case you have to read math in books that are not > specially written for naval > military. > > regards Uwe
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
Yago schrieb: For example when you say, (when the "sin" would not be upright, it would even mean s*i*n*1/2) you don't remember the "lineal functions" (archs) in a circle that are typed with the first letter upright, like this: Sin AM I meant upright (the opposite of italic) and not uppercase. Nevertheless, Bruce also described what I meant in his today's post in this email thread: You are using your own typesetting rules making communication with the rest of the world complicted. The appendix of LyX's Math manual consists of a list of math typesetting rules. You might at least have a look at them in case you have to read math in books that are not specially written for naval military. regards Uwe
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
Uwe thank you any other time for your comments, but I think you are wrong about the strict rules to typeset formulas, at least in the trigonometric formulas. For example when you say, (when the "sin" would not be upright, it would even mean s*i*n*1/2) you don't remember the "lineal functions" (archs) in a circle that are typed with the first letter upright, like this: Sin AM without brackets; a little more space between "Sin" and "AM" is all that it is needed. The trigonometrical functions are the lineal functions in a circle with the radius equal to the unity of mesaure. Then: Sin AM/R=sin a (R = radius) where "a" is the angle that subtends the "AM" arch. And also in this case that suffits the space between "Sin" and "AM/R" and "sin" and "a" to understand correctly the formula. And more, in the trigonometric formulas the strict notation "sin(a)" is normally not used but "sin a", like "sin 2a", "sin (A+B)" and so on, and I think that there aren't confussion about this. And if you type this formulas in LaTeX math mode an aditional space is added between the function and the argument. If you want to search a little that exists more secondary circular functions (due to spanish mariner Mendoza) not used today named "Sin v AM" (Seno verso), "Cos v AM" (Coseno verso), and also "Ver AM" (Verso of AM) or "Cov AM" (Coverso of AM) and "Sub v AM" (Subverso of AM). Without brackets. Regards Yago. - Original Message - From: "Uwe Stöhr" To: "Yago" Cc: "LyX-Users" Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Vertical spacing of matrices Yago schrieb: Respect to your second kindly comment, in the Spanish Navy Naval Military School (I am Commander in the Spanish Navy, Hydrographer) the brackets are omited in the notation to the half addition or difference of trigonometrical functions because the formula, sin1/2(A+B) in purity is the product of sin1/2 (I suppose in radians) and the addition of the angles A and B (also in radians). There are strict rules in math how to typeset formulas. sin1/2 means sin*1/2 (when the "sin" would not be upright, it would even mean s*i*n*1/2) So "sin" is in your typesetting a variable or an operator but not a function. A function has to have an argument. For arguments round brackets are used: sin(0.5(a+b)) When you have several levels of brackets it is allowed to use brackets for the outer ones: sin[0.5(a+b)] although this is quite unusual. Normally one uses larger round brackets for the outer level and smaller ones for the inner level as explained in LyX's Math manual. Reading sin1/2(a+b) I first thought that you mean sqrt(sin(a+b)) although the 1/2 would then have to be set as superscript. You definitively need a bracket behind sin and the like, no matter where you are working. Math is the same all over the world and it is important that everybody can understand what you are writing. regards Uwe
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: Yago schrieb: Respect to your second kindly comment, in the Spanish Navy Naval Military School (I am Commander in the Spanish Navy, Hydrographer) the brackets are omited in the notation to the half addition or difference of trigonometrical functions because the formula, sin1/2(A+B) in purity is the product of sin1/2 (I suppose in radians) and the addition of the angles A and B (also in radians). There are strict rules in math how to typeset formulas. sin1/2 means sin*1/2 (when the "sin" would not be upright, it would even mean s*i*n*1/2) So "sin" is in your typesetting a variable or an operator but not a function. A function has to have an argument. For arguments round brackets are used: sin(0.5(a+b)) When you have several levels of brackets it is allowed to use brackets for the outer ones: sin[0.5(a+b)] although this is quite unusual. Normally one uses larger round brackets for the outer level and smaller ones for the inner level as explained in LyX's Math manual. Reading sin1/2(a+b) I first thought that you mean sqrt(sin(a+b)) although the 1/2 would then have to be set as superscript. You definitively need a bracket behind sin and the like, no matter where you are working. Math is the same all over the world and it is important that everybody can understand what you are writing. regards Uwe A mathematician would read sin1/2(A+B) as the sine of 1 divided by 2(A +B), unless, of course, the context -- say a navel military text -- suggested a different reading. Uwe is right: mathematicians all agree on the typographical rules for typesetting and writing mathematics so there will be no ambiguity in communicating. But when the communication takes place within a closed world, like our navel military formula, I suppose that world can get away with having its own rules, for brevity say. Bruce
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
Yago schrieb: Respect to your second kindly comment, in the Spanish Navy Naval Military School (I am Commander in the Spanish Navy, Hydrographer) the brackets are omited in the notation to the half addition or difference of trigonometrical functions because the formula, sin1/2(A+B) in purity is the product of sin1/2 (I suppose in radians) and the addition of the angles A and B (also in radians). There are strict rules in math how to typeset formulas. sin1/2 means sin*1/2 (when the "sin" would not be upright, it would even mean s*i*n*1/2) So "sin" is in your typesetting a variable or an operator but not a function. A function has to have an argument. For arguments round brackets are used: sin(0.5(a+b)) When you have several levels of brackets it is allowed to use brackets for the outer ones: sin[0.5(a+b)] although this is quite unusual. Normally one uses larger round brackets for the outer level and smaller ones for the inner level as explained in LyX's Math manual. Reading sin1/2(a+b) I first thought that you mean sqrt(sin(a+b)) although the 1/2 would then have to be set as superscript. You definitively need a bracket behind sin and the like, no matter where you are working. Math is the same all over the world and it is important that everybody can understand what you are writing. regards Uwe
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
Uwe, thank you very much for your comments about my reply to Luca. In my case I have finished a book about trigonometry with 386 pages and obviously there are a lot of formulas and his deduction. All my problem with the method that I sended is reduced to copy and paste for the tables and matrices with too much rows. Respect to your second kindly comment, in the Spanish Navy Naval Military School (I am Commander in the Spanish Navy, Hydrographer) the brackets are omited in the notation to the half addition or difference of trigonometrical functions because the formula, sin1/2(A+B) in purity is the product of sin1/2 (I suppose in radians) and the addition of the angles A and B (also in radians). But in astronomical navigation this has no sense when we use, normally, the Delambre Analogies for the position triangle calculus, so we omit the brackets. Regards Yago. - Original Message - From: "Uwe Stöhr" To: "Yago" Cc: "LyX-Users" Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: Re: Vertical spacing of matrices Yago schrieb: Without new commands, for matrix you can use the command \vspace like in the attachedd file that presents the Delambre Analogies in a matrix. This is indeed also a solution but might need more time when you have many rows and columns. Looking at you file I noticed that you are using terms like cos1/2(A+B) This is incorrect typesetting. The correct one is this: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GausssFormulas.html (the 1/2 in in the argument of the function) regards Uwe
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
Yago schrieb: Without new commands, for matrix you can use the command \vspace like in the attachedd file that presents the Delambre Analogies in a matrix. This is indeed also a solution but might need more time when you have many rows and columns. Looking at you file I noticed that you are using terms like cos1/2(A+B) This is incorrect typesetting. The correct one is this: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GausssFormulas.html (the 1/2 in in the argument of the function) regards Uwe
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
Without new commands, for matrix you can use the command \vspace like in the attachedd file that presents the Delambre Analogies in a matrix. - Original Message - From: "Uwe Stöhr" To: "Luca Carlon" Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Vertical spacing of matrices Luca Carlon schrieb: I noticed it increses the space for tables in floats too. Isn't it possible to do this only for matrices? No because a table is actually an array as well as a matrix is an array. What you can do is to define your own short command that you can use before and after the matrices, see the attached file. You can also define two keyboard shortcuts that inserts these commands. regards Uwe Analogias_Delambre_Matriz.lyx Description: application/lyx
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
Luca Carlon schrieb: I noticed it increses the space for tables in floats too. Isn't it possible to do this only for matrices? No because a table is actually an array as well as a matrix is an array. What you can do is to define your own short command that you can use before and after the matrices, see the attached file. You can also define two keyboard shortcuts that inserts these commands. regards Uwe newfile3.lyx Description: application/lyx
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
Uwe Stöhr writes: > You can use the commands \arraycolsep and \arraystretch. Have a look at the Math manual, section 4, > that you find in LyX's Help menu. > > regards Uwe Thanks! This is great! Anyway, I noticed it increses the space for tables in floats too. Isn't it possible to do this only for matrices? It's not too comfortable to change i continuously... Thanks again! Luca
Re: Vertical spacing of matrices
Luca Carlon schrieb: Hi! I'm writing some matrices where I put inside some quite big terms (dfracs for instance). I noticed that it is frequent that some term is too close, almost overlapping, to the element over it. Is it possible somehow to increase the vertical spacing? You can use the commands \arraycolsep and \arraystretch. Have a look at the Math manual, section 4, that you find in LyX's Help menu. regards Uwe
Vertical spacing of matrices
Hi! I'm writing some matrices where I put inside some quite big terms (dfracs for instance). I noticed that it is frequent that some term is too close, almost overlapping, to the element over it. Is it possible somehow to increase the vertical spacing? Thanks!
