Re: Suggestion

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 12/7/23 14:38, Christopher Menzel wrote:
On Dec 6, 2023, at 10:28 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck 
 wrote:


On 12/6/23 15:55, Christopher Menzel wrote:
On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck 
 wrote:

On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:

Hello,

Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and 
zoom out?
It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl 
-, and

ctl + or Up ctl +

Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.

Riki
They work under MacOS as well (2.4.0~beta5). And you can add those 
options yourself to the “View” menu by making a copy of stdmenus.inc 
(found in the “ui” subdirectory of your LyX hierarchy — probably 
/usr/local/share in LInux?), sticking it in a directory called “ui" 
your local .lyx directory (~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4 
under MacOS) and adding the lines


Separator
Item "Zoom In|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
Item "Zoom Out|-" "buffer-zoom-out"


LyX will complain that the accelerator is not in the menu text. But 
maybe one could do:


Item "Zoom In (+)|+" "buffer-zoom-in"


to the section of the file containing the View menu items.


Ah, yes, I didn’t see the complaint because I wasn’t firing up LyX 
from the command line. But the code I suggested still works just fine 
under both MacOS and Linux, for me anyway.


Yes, it should work, just with the complaint.

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Re: Suggestion

[Christopher Menzel]

On Dec 6, 2023, at 10:28 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  wrote:
> 
> On 12/6/23 15:55, Christopher Menzel wrote:
>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  
>>> wrote:
>>> On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
 It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
 ctl + or Up ctl +
>>> Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.
>>> 
>>> Riki
>> They work under MacOS as well (2.4.0~beta5). And you can add those options 
>> yourself to the “View” menu by making a copy of stdmenus.inc (found in the 
>> “ui” subdirectory of your LyX hierarchy — probably /usr/local/share in 
>> LInux?), sticking it in a directory called “ui" your local .lyx directory 
>> (~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4 under MacOS) and adding the lines
>> 
>> Separator
>> Item "Zoom In|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
>> Item "Zoom Out|-" "buffer-zoom-out"
> 
> LyX will complain that the accelerator is not in the menu text. But maybe one 
> could do:
> 
> Item "Zoom In (+)|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
> 
>> to the section of the file containing the View menu items.

Ah, yes, I didn’t see the complaint because I wasn’t firing up LyX from the 
command line. But the code I suggested still works just fine under both MacOS 
and Linux, for me anyway.

-chris


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Re: Suggestion

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 12/7/23 03:50, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Don't the new controls for zoom show the bindings in their tooltip? 
They should.


If you left-click on the zoom number itself, you get a little menu. But 
it's not easily discoverable. Right-clicking anywhere on the bottom bit 
gives you a choice of what's shown there.


It seems typical for zoom controls to be in the View menu on other apps.

Riki




Le 7 décembre 2023 05:28:06 GMT+01:00, Richard Kimberly Heck 
 a écrit :


On 12/6/23 15:55, Christopher Menzel wrote:

On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck
 wrote: On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick
Dupre via lyx-users wrote:

Hello, Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an
option to zoom in, and zoom out? It could be also a
short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
ctl + or Up ctl + 


Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me,
too. Riki 


They work under MacOS as well (2.4.0~beta5). And you can add
those options yourself to the “View” menu by making a copy of
stdmenus.inc (found in the “ui” subdirectory of your LyX
hierarchy — probably /usr/local/share in LInux?), sticking it
in a directory called “ui" your local .lyx directory
(~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4 under MacOS) and adding
the lines Separator Item "Zoom In|+" "buffer-zoom-in" Item
"Zoom Out|-" "buffer-zoom-out" 


LyX will complain that the accelerator is not in the menu text.
But maybe one could d0: Item "Zoom In (+)|+" "buffer-zoom-in"

to the section of the file containing the View menu items. 


It's probably worth having this in the View menu by default. It's
not terribly crowded, unlike some of the other menus. But we can't
do it now, because we can't add new strings until 2.4.0 is out. Riki




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Re: Suggestion

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Don't the new controls for zoom show the bindings in their tooltip? They should.

Jmarc

Le 7 décembre 2023 05:28:06 GMT+01:00, Richard Kimberly Heck 
 a écrit :
>On 12/6/23 15:55, Christopher Menzel wrote:
>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  
>>> wrote:
>>> On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
 It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
 ctl + or Up ctl +
>>> Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.
>>> 
>>> Riki
>> They work under MacOS as well (2.4.0~beta5). And you can add those options 
>> yourself to the “View” menu by making a copy of stdmenus.inc (found in the 
>> “ui” subdirectory of your LyX hierarchy — probably /usr/local/share in 
>> LInux?), sticking it in a directory called “ui" your local .lyx directory 
>> (~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4 under MacOS) and adding the lines
>> 
>> Separator
>> Item "Zoom In|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
>> Item "Zoom Out|-" "buffer-zoom-out"
>
>LyX will complain that the accelerator is not in the menu text. But maybe one 
>could d0:
>
>Item "Zoom In (+)|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
>
>> to the section of the file containing the View menu items.
>
>It's probably worth having this in the View menu by default. It's not terribly 
>crowded, unlike some of the other menus. But we can't do it now, because we 
>can't add new strings until 2.4.0 is out.
>
>Riki
>
>
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Re: Suggestion

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 12/6/23 15:55, Christopher Menzel wrote:

On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  wrote:
On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:

Hello,

Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
ctl + or Up ctl +

Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.

Riki

They work under MacOS as well (2.4.0~beta5). And you can add those options yourself 
to the “View” menu by making a copy of stdmenus.inc (found in the “ui” subdirectory 
of your LyX hierarchy — probably /usr/local/share in LInux?), sticking it in a 
directory called “ui" your local .lyx directory (~/Library/Application 
Support/LyX-2.4 under MacOS) and adding the lines

Separator
Item "Zoom In|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
Item "Zoom Out|-" "buffer-zoom-out"


LyX will complain that the accelerator is not in the menu text. But 
maybe one could d0:


Item "Zoom In (+)|+" "buffer-zoom-in"


to the section of the file containing the View menu items.


It's probably worth having this in the View menu by default. It's not 
terribly crowded, unlike some of the other menus. But we can't do it 
now, because we can't add new strings until 2.4.0 is out.


Riki


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Re: Suggestion

[Christopher Menzel]

> On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  wrote:
> On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
>> It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
>> ctl + or Up ctl +
> 
> Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.
> 
> Riki

They work under MacOS as well (2.4.0~beta5). And you can add those options 
yourself to the “View” menu by making a copy of stdmenus.inc (found in the “ui” 
subdirectory of your LyX hierarchy — probably /usr/local/share in LInux?), 
sticking it in a directory called “ui" your local .lyx directory 
(~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4 under MacOS) and adding the lines

Separator
Item "Zoom In|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
Item "Zoom Out|-" "buffer-zoom-out"

to the section of the file containing the View menu items.

-chris

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Re: Suggestion

[Patrick Dupre via lyx-users]

> On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
> > It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
> > ctl + or Up ctl +
>
> Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.
Yes
I found: it is Alt- and Alt+

>
> Riki
>
>
>
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Re: Suggestion

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:

Hello,

Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
ctl + or Up ctl +


Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.

Riki


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Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Georg Baum]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
 
 my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in
 an external
 editor would help?

 As it happens, this is the subject of:
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7404
 
 Georg even provided a patch, and I suspect it requires not much
 programming to polish up that patch for inclusion.

Indeed, at least a a part of the requested feature should be easy to 
integrate. However, I still don't have enough time, so if anybody wants to 
chime in it would be most welcome (and of course I'll happily answer any 
question).

 I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on
 whatever we get,
 and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is possible.
 I.e., we'd have
 a sort of generic ERT--LyX routine.

 I think this would be a nice touch, indeed.

Should already work: Copy ERT, then Edit-Paste special-from LaTeX, then 
delete ERT. I guess you could even bind a command sequence to a custom key 
shortcut, so that you can type LaTeX, and having it interpreted by a single 
key combination.


Georg

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Georg Baum]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
 
 my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in
 an external
 editor would help?

 As it happens, this is the subject of:
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7404
 
 Georg even provided a patch, and I suspect it requires not much
 programming to polish up that patch for inclusion.

Indeed, at least a a part of the requested feature should be easy to 
integrate. However, I still don't have enough time, so if anybody wants to 
chime in it would be most welcome (and of course I'll happily answer any 
question).

 I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on
 whatever we get,
 and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is possible.
 I.e., we'd have
 a sort of generic ERT--LyX routine.

 I think this would be a nice touch, indeed.

Should already work: Copy ERT, then Edit-Paste special-from LaTeX, then 
delete ERT. I guess you could even bind a command sequence to a custom key 
shortcut, so that you can type LaTeX, and having it interpreted by a single 
key combination.


Georg

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Georg Baum]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Richard Heck  wrote:
> 
>> my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in
>> an external
>> editor would help?
>>
> As it happens, this is the subject of:
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7404
> 
> Georg even provided a patch, and I suspect it requires not much
> programming to polish up that patch for inclusion.

Indeed, at least a a part of the requested feature should be easy to 
integrate. However, I still don't have enough time, so if anybody wants to 
chime in it would be most welcome (and of course I'll happily answer any 
question).

>> I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on
>> whatever we get,
>> and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is possible.
>> I.e., we'd have
>> a sort of generic ERT-->LyX routine.
>>
> I think this would be a nice touch, indeed.

Should already work: Copy ERT, then Edit->Paste special->from LaTeX, then 
delete ERT. I guess you could even bind a command sequence to a custom key 
shortcut, so that you can type LaTeX, and having it interpreted by a single 
key combination.


Georg

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Guenter Milde]

On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
shortkey-list. 

(Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX - but
this is a large part of the LyX user base.)

Günter

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/10/2015 04:42 AM, Madhusudan Singh wrote:

TeXmacs is a good alternative.

Hiding away preamble stuff has always been sufficiently problematic 
for me for me not to take to LyX.


Do you mean that you can't see the preamble stuff in the LyX document? 
There is an easy solution to this, if so.


Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/10/2015 04:13 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:

On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:


Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
shortkey-list.


Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

So something along the lines of:
- activate math-like completion as in \
- propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
- run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
- if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
everything right and cover all potential complications...


The idea of having an ERT-like box that supported completion, syntax 
highlighting, etc,
is one I've had before. But then we're talking about integrating 
something like a LaTeX
edtior into LyX, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, from LyX's 
point of view,
especially given that, like most FOSS projects, we are very short of 
programming time.
And, as Benedict says, if one really wants to do that kind of thing, 
then at least a very
good alternative is an Input inset, which one can then edit with a real 
editor (Kile, in
my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in 
an external
editor would help? I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on 
whatever we get,
and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is 
possible. I.e., we'd have
a sort of generic ERT--LyX routine. I *think* that some parts of what 
is required here

already exist in the Advanced FR machinery.

Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
 On 06/10/2015 04:13 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:

 On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such
 features.

 I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
 search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

 The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
 insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
 these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
 shortkey-list.

 Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
 implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
 less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

 So something along the lines of:
 - activate math-like completion as in \
 - propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
 of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
 - run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
 - if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

 But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
 everything right and cover all potential complications...


 The idea of having an ERT-like box that supported completion, syntax
 highlighting, etc,
 is one I've had before. But then we're talking about integrating something
 like a LaTeX
 edtior into LyX, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, from LyX's point
 of view,
 especially given that, like most FOSS projects, we are very short of
 programming time.
 And, as Benedict says, if one really wants to do that kind of thing, then at
 least a very
 good alternative is an Input inset, which one can then edit with a real
 editor (Kile, in

 my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in an
 external
 editor would help?

As it happens, this is the subject of:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7404

Georg even provided a patch, and I suspect it requires not much
programming to polish up that patch for inclusion.


 I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on
 whatever we get,
 and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is possible.
 I.e., we'd have
 a sort of generic ERT--LyX routine.

I think this would be a nice touch, indeed.

Regards,
Liviu


 I *think* that some parts of what is
 required here
 already exist in the Advanced FR machinery.

 Richard




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http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:
 On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

 I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
 search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

 The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
 insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
 these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
 shortkey-list.

Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

So something along the lines of:
- activate math-like completion as in \
- propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
- run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
- if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
everything right and cover all potential complications...

Liviu


 (Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX - but
 this is a large part of the LyX user base.)

 Günter




-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Madhusudan Singh]

TeXmacs is a good alternative.

Hiding away preamble stuff has always been sufficiently problematic for me
for me not to take to LyX.

I have not much used TeXmacs but it has a lot of this and more.

For my documents, I stick to LaTeX with a live preview. Just can't beat
that kind of power.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:
  On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:
 
  Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
  understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such
 features.
 
  I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
  search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.
 
  The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
  insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
  these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
  shortkey-list.
 
 Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
 implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
 less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

 So something along the lines of:
 - activate math-like completion as in \
 - propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
 of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
 - run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
 - if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

 But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
 everything right and cover all potential complications...

 Liviu


  (Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX -
 but
  this is a large part of the LyX user base.)
 
  Günter
 



 --
 Do you think you know what math is?
 http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
 Or what it means to be intelligent?
 http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
 Think again:
 http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Guenter Milde]

On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
shortkey-list. 

(Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX - but
this is a large part of the LyX user base.)

Günter

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:
 On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

 I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
 search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

 The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
 insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
 these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
 shortkey-list.

Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

So something along the lines of:
- activate math-like completion as in \
- propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
- run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
- if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
everything right and cover all potential complications...

Liviu


 (Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX - but
 this is a large part of the LyX user base.)

 Günter




-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Madhusudan Singh]

TeXmacs is a good alternative.

Hiding away preamble stuff has always been sufficiently problematic for me
for me not to take to LyX.

I have not much used TeXmacs but it has a lot of this and more.

For my documents, I stick to LaTeX with a live preview. Just can't beat
that kind of power.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:
  On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:
 
  Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
  understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such
 features.
 
  I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
  search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.
 
  The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
  insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
  these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
  shortkey-list.
 
 Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
 implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
 less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

 So something along the lines of:
 - activate math-like completion as in \
 - propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
 of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
 - run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
 - if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

 But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
 everything right and cover all potential complications...

 Liviu


  (Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX -
 but
  this is a large part of the LyX user base.)
 
  Günter
 



 --
 Do you think you know what math is?
 http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
 Or what it means to be intelligent?
 http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
 Think again:
 http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/10/2015 04:13 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:

On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:


Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
shortkey-list.


Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

So something along the lines of:
- activate math-like completion as in \
- propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
- run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
- if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
everything right and cover all potential complications...


The idea of having an ERT-like box that supported completion, syntax 
highlighting, etc,
is one I've had before. But then we're talking about integrating 
something like a LaTeX
edtior into LyX, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, from LyX's 
point of view,
especially given that, like most FOSS projects, we are very short of 
programming time.
And, as Benedict says, if one really wants to do that kind of thing, 
then at least a very
good alternative is an Input inset, which one can then edit with a real 
editor (Kile, in
my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in 
an external
editor would help? I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on 
whatever we get,
and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is 
possible. I.e., we'd have
a sort of generic ERT--LyX routine. I *think* that some parts of what 
is required here

already exist in the Advanced FR machinery.

Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/10/2015 04:42 AM, Madhusudan Singh wrote:

TeXmacs is a good alternative.

Hiding away preamble stuff has always been sufficiently problematic 
for me for me not to take to LyX.


Do you mean that you can't see the preamble stuff in the LyX document? 
There is an easy solution to this, if so.


Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
 On 06/10/2015 04:13 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:

 On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such
 features.

 I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
 search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

 The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
 insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
 these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
 shortkey-list.

 Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
 implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
 less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

 So something along the lines of:
 - activate math-like completion as in \
 - propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
 of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
 - run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
 - if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

 But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
 everything right and cover all potential complications...


 The idea of having an ERT-like box that supported completion, syntax
 highlighting, etc,
 is one I've had before. But then we're talking about integrating something
 like a LaTeX
 edtior into LyX, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, from LyX's point
 of view,
 especially given that, like most FOSS projects, we are very short of
 programming time.
 And, as Benedict says, if one really wants to do that kind of thing, then at
 least a very
 good alternative is an Input inset, which one can then edit with a real
 editor (Kile, in

 my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in an
 external
 editor would help?

As it happens, this is the subject of:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7404

Georg even provided a patch, and I suspect it requires not much
programming to polish up that patch for inclusion.


 I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on
 whatever we get,
 and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is possible.
 I.e., we'd have
 a sort of generic ERT--LyX routine.

I think this would be a nice touch, indeed.

Regards,
Liviu


 I *think* that some parts of what is
 required here
 already exist in the Advanced FR machinery.

 Richard




-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Guenter Milde]

On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

> Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
> understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
shortkey-list. 

(Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX - but
this is a large part of the LyX user base.)

Günter

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde  wrote:
> On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:
>
>> Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
>> understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.
>
> I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
> search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.
>
> The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
> insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
> these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
> shortkey-list.
>
Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

So something along the lines of:
- activate math-like completion as in "\"
- propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
- run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
- if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
everything right and cover all potential complications...

Liviu


> (Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX - but
> this is a large part of the LyX user base.)
>
> Günter
>



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Madhusudan Singh]

TeXmacs is a good alternative.

Hiding away preamble stuff has always been sufficiently problematic for me
for me not to take to LyX.

I have not much used TeXmacs but it has a lot of this and more.

For my documents, I stick to LaTeX with a live preview. Just can't beat
that kind of power.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Liviu Andronic 
wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde  wrote:
> > On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:
> >
> >> Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
> >> understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such
> features.
> >
> > I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
> > search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.
> >
> > The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
> > insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
> > these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
> > shortkey-list.
> >
> Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
> implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
> less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.
>
> So something along the lines of:
> - activate math-like completion as in "\"
> - propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
> of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
> - run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
> - if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT
>
> But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
> everything right and cover all potential complications...
>
> Liviu
>
>
> > (Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX -
> but
> > this is a large part of the LyX user base.)
> >
> > Günter
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Do you think you know what math is?
> http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
> Or what it means to be intelligent?
> http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
> Think again:
> http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library
>

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/10/2015 04:13 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde  wrote:

On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:


Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
shortkey-list.


Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

So something along the lines of:
- activate math-like completion as in "\"
- propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
- run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
- if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
everything right and cover all potential complications...


The idea of having an ERT-like box that supported completion, syntax 
highlighting, etc,
is one I've had before. But then we're talking about integrating 
something like a LaTeX
edtior into LyX, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, from LyX's 
point of view,
especially given that, like most FOSS projects, we are very short of 
programming time.
And, as Benedict says, if one really wants to do that kind of thing, 
then at least a very
good alternative is an Input inset, which one can then edit with a real 
editor (Kile, in
my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in 
an external
editor would help? I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on 
whatever we get,
and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is 
possible. I.e., we'd have
a sort of generic ERT-->LyX routine. I *think* that some parts of what 
is required here

already exist in the Advanced F machinery.

Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/10/2015 04:42 AM, Madhusudan Singh wrote:

TeXmacs is a good alternative.

Hiding away preamble stuff has always been sufficiently problematic 
for me for me not to take to LyX.


Do you mean that you can't see the preamble stuff in the LyX document? 
There is an easy solution to this, if so.


Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Richard Heck  wrote:
> On 06/10/2015 04:13 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:
>>>
 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such
 features.
>>>
>>> I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
>>> search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.
>>>
>>> The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
>>> insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
>>> these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
>>> shortkey-list.
>>>
>> Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
>> implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
>> less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.
>>
>> So something along the lines of:
>> - activate math-like completion as in "\"
>> - propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
>> of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
>> - run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
>> - if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT
>>
>> But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
>> everything right and cover all potential complications...
>
>
> The idea of having an ERT-like box that supported completion, syntax
> highlighting, etc,
> is one I've had before. But then we're talking about integrating something
> like a LaTeX
> edtior into LyX, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, from LyX's point
> of view,
> especially given that, like most FOSS projects, we are very short of
> programming time.
> And, as Benedict says, if one really wants to do that kind of thing, then at
> least a very
> good alternative is an Input inset, which one can then edit with a real
> editor (Kile, in

> my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in an
> external
> editor would help?
>
As it happens, this is the subject of:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7404

Georg even provided a patch, and I suspect it requires not much
programming to polish up that patch for inclusion.


> I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on
> whatever we get,
> and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is possible.
> I.e., we'd have
> a sort of generic ERT-->LyX routine.
>
I think this would be a nice touch, indeed.

Regards,
Liviu


> I *think* that some parts of what is
> required here
> already exist in the Advanced F machinery.
>
> Richard
>



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX. 

Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
feedback from new users, in my opinion.

 I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source 
 LaTEX file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival 
 against the other LaTEX editors.
 I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
 would like to change or add code directly to the source file.
 
 Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where 
 I can find it?

This is an often requested feature. See for example:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
seamless two-way communication.

Best,

Scott

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Christopher Menzel]

Hi Ricardo,

Can you provide an example of a situation where the feature in question 
would be useful? I composed in raw LaTeX for 20 years but since 
switching pretty much full-time to LyX several years ago I have yet to 
find a situation that LyX (plus perhaps a little ERT 
http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/ERT)  couldn't handle with aplomb.


-chris

Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.
I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

Keep the good work!

Best regards,
Ricardo Gaspar

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/09/2015 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.

Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
feedback from new users, in my opinion.


I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

This is an often requested feature. See for example:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
seamless two-way communication.


Yes, the basic problem is that this is highly non-trivial, though not 
impossible, and it isn't
really compatible with the idea behind LyX. Contrary to how it is often 
advertised, LyX is
NOT a LaTeX frontend. LaTeX is only one of the formats we natively 
export (though by far

the most important).

The ability to edit the LaTeX would basically involve offering the user 
the LaTeX source
for some fragment of text, then running tex2lyx on whatever the user 
ended up with, then
replacing the relevant fragment of text witih the result. This is still 
harder than it sounds,
since tex2lyx outputs some text (a LyX file, basically), and what we 
really need is the data
structure that LyX would create upon reading that file. This could be 
done, though, by reading
the new text into a temporary Buffer and doing some kind of cut and 
paste behind the scenes.
But there's not really any guarantee that what LyX would export at that 
point would actually
be the same as what the user entered: That kind of 'roundtrip' is a 
goal, not a reality.


Alternatively, the LaTeX the user created could become ERT. But then 
maybe such a user

should just use LaTeX.

Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Benedict Holland]

I have to plug emacs for native lyx support. That application is awesome at
parsing raw Latex. As Richard said, this is the antithesis of why anyone
would use Lyx. I have become a huge fan of seamlessly integrating my latex
documents, mostly tables, using the input command and editing the .tex file
using emacs. Since there is already excellent Latex editors, I don't
understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

~Ben

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

 On 06/09/2015 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

 Hi there,

 I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.

 Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
 keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
 interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
 the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
 feedback from new users, in my opinion.

  I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source
 LaTEX file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival
 against the other LaTEX editors.
 I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes
 I would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

 Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site
 where I can find it?

 This is an often requested feature. See for example:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

 The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
 hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
 to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
 seamless two-way communication.


 Yes, the basic problem is that this is highly non-trivial, though not
 impossible, and it isn't
 really compatible with the idea behind LyX. Contrary to how it is often
 advertised, LyX is
 NOT a LaTeX frontend. LaTeX is only one of the formats we natively export
 (though by far
 the most important).

 The ability to edit the LaTeX would basically involve offering the user
 the LaTeX source
 for some fragment of text, then running tex2lyx on whatever the user ended
 up with, then
 replacing the relevant fragment of text witih the result. This is still
 harder than it sounds,
 since tex2lyx outputs some text (a LyX file, basically), and what we
 really need is the data
 structure that LyX would create upon reading that file. This could be
 done, though, by reading
 the new text into a temporary Buffer and doing some kind of cut and paste
 behind the scenes.
 But there's not really any guarantee that what LyX would export at that
 point would actually
 be the same as what the user entered: That kind of 'roundtrip' is a goal,
 not a reality.

 Alternatively, the LaTeX the user created could become ERT. But then maybe
 such a user
 should just use LaTeX.

 Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX. 

Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
feedback from new users, in my opinion.

 I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source 
 LaTEX file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival 
 against the other LaTEX editors.
 I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
 would like to change or add code directly to the source file.
 
 Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where 
 I can find it?

This is an often requested feature. See for example:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
seamless two-way communication.

Best,

Scott

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Christopher Menzel]

Hi Ricardo,

Can you provide an example of a situation where the feature in question 
would be useful? I composed in raw LaTeX for 20 years but since 
switching pretty much full-time to LyX several years ago I have yet to 
find a situation that LyX (plus perhaps a little ERT 
http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/ERT)  couldn't handle with aplomb.


-chris

Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.
I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

Keep the good work!

Best regards,
Ricardo Gaspar

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/09/2015 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.

Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
feedback from new users, in my opinion.


I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

This is an often requested feature. See for example:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
seamless two-way communication.


Yes, the basic problem is that this is highly non-trivial, though not 
impossible, and it isn't
really compatible with the idea behind LyX. Contrary to how it is often 
advertised, LyX is
NOT a LaTeX frontend. LaTeX is only one of the formats we natively 
export (though by far

the most important).

The ability to edit the LaTeX would basically involve offering the user 
the LaTeX source
for some fragment of text, then running tex2lyx on whatever the user 
ended up with, then
replacing the relevant fragment of text witih the result. This is still 
harder than it sounds,
since tex2lyx outputs some text (a LyX file, basically), and what we 
really need is the data
structure that LyX would create upon reading that file. This could be 
done, though, by reading
the new text into a temporary Buffer and doing some kind of cut and 
paste behind the scenes.
But there's not really any guarantee that what LyX would export at that 
point would actually
be the same as what the user entered: That kind of 'roundtrip' is a 
goal, not a reality.


Alternatively, the LaTeX the user created could become ERT. But then 
maybe such a user

should just use LaTeX.

Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Benedict Holland]

I have to plug emacs for native lyx support. That application is awesome at
parsing raw Latex. As Richard said, this is the antithesis of why anyone
would use Lyx. I have become a huge fan of seamlessly integrating my latex
documents, mostly tables, using the input command and editing the .tex file
using emacs. Since there is already excellent Latex editors, I don't
understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

~Ben

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

 On 06/09/2015 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

 Hi there,

 I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.

 Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
 keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
 interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
 the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
 feedback from new users, in my opinion.

  I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source
 LaTEX file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival
 against the other LaTEX editors.
 I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes
 I would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

 Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site
 where I can find it?

 This is an often requested feature. See for example:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

 The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
 hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
 to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
 seamless two-way communication.


 Yes, the basic problem is that this is highly non-trivial, though not
 impossible, and it isn't
 really compatible with the idea behind LyX. Contrary to how it is often
 advertised, LyX is
 NOT a LaTeX frontend. LaTeX is only one of the formats we natively export
 (though by far
 the most important).

 The ability to edit the LaTeX would basically involve offering the user
 the LaTeX source
 for some fragment of text, then running tex2lyx on whatever the user ended
 up with, then
 replacing the relevant fragment of text witih the result. This is still
 harder than it sounds,
 since tex2lyx outputs some text (a LyX file, basically), and what we
 really need is the data
 structure that LyX would create upon reading that file. This could be
 done, though, by reading
 the new text into a temporary Buffer and doing some kind of cut and paste
 behind the scenes.
 But there's not really any guarantee that what LyX would export at that
 point would actually
 be the same as what the user entered: That kind of 'roundtrip' is a goal,
 not a reality.

 Alternatively, the LaTeX the user created could become ERT. But then maybe
 such a user
 should just use LaTeX.

 Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX. 

Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
feedback from new users, in my opinion.

> I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source 
> LaTEX file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival 
> against the other LaTEX editors.
> I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
> would like to change or add code directly to the source file.
> 
> Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where 
> I can find it?

This is an often requested feature. See for example:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
seamless two-way communication.

Best,

Scott

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Christopher Menzel]

Hi Ricardo,

Can you provide an example of a situation where the feature in question 
would be useful? I composed in raw LaTeX for 20 years but since 
switching pretty much full-time to LyX several years ago I have yet to 
find a situation that LyX (plus perhaps a little ERT 
)  couldn't handle with aplomb.


-chris

Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.
I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

Keep the good work!

Best regards,
Ricardo Gaspar

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/09/2015 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.

Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
feedback from new users, in my opinion.


I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

This is an often requested feature. See for example:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
seamless two-way communication.


Yes, the basic problem is that this is highly non-trivial, though not 
impossible, and it isn't
really compatible with the idea behind LyX. Contrary to how it is often 
advertised, LyX is
NOT a LaTeX frontend. LaTeX is only one of the formats we natively 
export (though by far

the most important).

The ability to edit the LaTeX would basically involve offering the user 
the LaTeX source
for some fragment of text, then running tex2lyx on whatever the user 
ended up with, then
replacing the relevant fragment of text witih the result. This is still 
harder than it sounds,
since tex2lyx outputs some text (a LyX file, basically), and what we 
really need is the data
structure that LyX would create upon reading that file. This could be 
done, though, by reading
the new text into a temporary Buffer and doing some kind of cut and 
paste behind the scenes.
But there's not really any guarantee that what LyX would export at that 
point would actually
be the same as what the user entered: That kind of 'roundtrip' is a 
goal, not a reality.


Alternatively, the LaTeX the user created could become ERT. But then 
maybe such a user

should just use LaTeX.

Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Benedict Holland]

I have to plug emacs for native lyx support. That application is awesome at
parsing raw Latex. As Richard said, this is the antithesis of why anyone
would use Lyx. I have become a huge fan of seamlessly integrating my latex
documents, mostly tables, using the input command and editing the .tex file
using emacs. Since there is already excellent Latex editors, I don't
understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

~Ben

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Richard Heck  wrote:

> On 06/09/2015 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.
>>>
>> Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
>> keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
>> interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
>> the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
>> feedback from new users, in my opinion.
>>
>>  I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source
>>> LaTEX file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival
>>> against the other LaTEX editors.
>>> I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes
>>> I would like to change or add code directly to the source file.
>>>
>>> Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site
>>> where I can find it?
>>>
>> This is an often requested feature. See for example:
>> http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
>> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260
>>
>> The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
>> hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
>> to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
>> seamless two-way communication.
>>
>
> Yes, the basic problem is that this is highly non-trivial, though not
> impossible, and it isn't
> really compatible with the idea behind LyX. Contrary to how it is often
> advertised, LyX is
> NOT a LaTeX frontend. LaTeX is only one of the formats we natively export
> (though by far
> the most important).
>
> The ability to edit the LaTeX would basically involve offering the user
> the LaTeX source
> for some fragment of text, then running tex2lyx on whatever the user ended
> up with, then
> replacing the relevant fragment of text witih the result. This is still
> harder than it sounds,
> since tex2lyx outputs some text (a LyX file, basically), and what we
> really need is the data
> structure that LyX would create upon reading that file. This could be
> done, though, by reading
> the new text into a temporary Buffer and doing some kind of cut and paste
> behind the scenes.
> But there's not really any guarantee that what LyX would export at that
> point would actually
> be the same as what the user entered: That kind of 'roundtrip' is a goal,
> not a reality.
>
> Alternatively, the LaTeX the user created could become ERT. But then maybe
> such a user
> should just use LaTeX.
>
> Richard
>
>

Re: suggestion: searchbar for insert special character

[Diego Queiroz]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:

 I tried to insert a special character ½, and found it difficult to locate.
  I
 use kcharselect (from kde) to find it.  It has a search bar.  Just type in
 the
 term 'half', and it's the first thing shown (on my machine).

 My suggestion is add a searchbar to the insert special character.

 BTW, I can use kcharselect to locate a unicode character.  But, I don't
 think it
 would generally work to just paste in a unicode character to a LaTeX
 document,
 correct?


Usually, you can freely copy/paste some unicode chars to/from LyX (specially
symbols).
LyX automatically inserts all necessary packages and converts the char to
the correspondent LaTeX code.

To check, just try to copy/paste your ½ character to a new LyX document
and look to the source.
LyX includes the textcomp package and use the command \textonehalf{}.

Also, a good hint to search for unknown symbols in LaTeX is to use a image
classificator (like this one http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html).


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: suggestion: searchbar for insert special character

[Diego Queiroz]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:

 I tried to insert a special character ½, and found it difficult to locate.
  I
 use kcharselect (from kde) to find it.  It has a search bar.  Just type in
 the
 term 'half', and it's the first thing shown (on my machine).

 My suggestion is add a searchbar to the insert special character.

 BTW, I can use kcharselect to locate a unicode character.  But, I don't
 think it
 would generally work to just paste in a unicode character to a LaTeX
 document,
 correct?


Usually, you can freely copy/paste some unicode chars to/from LyX (specially
symbols).
LyX automatically inserts all necessary packages and converts the char to
the correspondent LaTeX code.

To check, just try to copy/paste your ½ character to a new LyX document
and look to the source.
LyX includes the textcomp package and use the command \textonehalf{}.

Also, a good hint to search for unknown symbols in LaTeX is to use a image
classificator (like this one http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html).


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: suggestion: searchbar for insert special character

[Diego Queiroz]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Neal Becker  wrote:

> I tried to insert a special character ½, and found it difficult to locate.
>  I
> use kcharselect (from kde) to find it.  It has a search bar.  Just type in
> the
> term 'half', and it's the first thing shown (on my machine).
>
> My suggestion is add a searchbar to the insert special character.
>
> BTW, I can use kcharselect to locate a unicode character.  But, I don't
> think it
> would generally work to just paste in a unicode character to a LaTeX
> document,
> correct?
>
>
Usually, you can freely copy/paste some unicode chars to/from LyX (specially
symbols).
LyX automatically inserts all necessary packages and converts the char to
the correspondent LaTeX code.

To check, just try to copy/paste your "½" character to a new LyX document
and look to the source.
LyX includes the textcomp package and use the command \textonehalf{}.

Also, a good hint to search for unknown symbols in LaTeX is to use a image
classificator (like this one http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html).


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Suggestion for LyX

[rgheck]

On 11/26/2009 07:36 AM, Izwandy Idris wrote:

Hi there,

I'm a new user of LyX and I found it very interesting (though I'm still 
struggling to get familiar with it). I'm currently writing my thesis and need 
to incorporate citation. At present, I'm using Refworks for my referencing 
works and changing to BibTex is quite a problem for me since I'm used to 
Refworks and moving to another referencing software will take more time than I 
have. Is there any way that I can still used Refworks (particularly Write n 
Cite option) in LyX instead of BibTex?

   
Questions like this should be sent to the LyX user's list. This list is 
for issues with the documentation. I'm cc'ing it over there.


In any event, because LyX acts a frontend to LaTeX, you have to use the 
BibTeX format for your references. RefWorks does export to BibTeX 
format, though, so you can use it with LyX. Just export to BibTeX 
periodically, and then you can enter your citations in LyX using 
InsertCitation.


That said, however, programs like JabRef that handle BibTeX natively are 
extremely easy to use. I'd recommend you install JabRef 
(http://jabref.sourceforge.net/), export your RefWorks database to 
BibTeX, and then open the resulting *.bib file in JabRef. It'll take you 
several seconds to figure it out.


Richard

Re: Suggestion for LyX

[Erez Yerushalmi]

Another recommendation is to take a look at a program called Zotero.
http://www.zotero.org/
In my opinion, it is nicer than Refworks or WritenCite
They have a nice video explaining the main idea of Zotero.

Erez

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 On 11/26/2009 07:36 AM, Izwandy Idris wrote:

 Hi there,

 I'm a new user of LyX and I found it very interesting (though I'm still
 struggling to get familiar with it). I'm currently writing my thesis and
 need to incorporate citation. At present, I'm using Refworks for my
 referencing works and changing to BibTex is quite a problem for me since I'm
 used to Refworks and moving to another referencing software will take more
 time than I have. Is there any way that I can still used Refworks
 (particularly Write n Cite option) in LyX instead of BibTex?



 Questions like this should be sent to the LyX user's list. This list is for
 issues with the documentation. I'm cc'ing it over there.

 In any event, because LyX acts a frontend to LaTeX, you have to use the
 BibTeX format for your references. RefWorks does export to BibTeX format,
 though, so you can use it with LyX. Just export to BibTeX periodically, and
 then you can enter your citations in LyX using InsertCitation.

 That said, however, programs like JabRef that handle BibTeX natively are
 extremely easy to use. I'd recommend you install JabRef (
 http://jabref.sourceforge.net/), export your RefWorks database to BibTeX,
 and then open the resulting *.bib file in JabRef. It'll take you several
 seconds to figure it out.

 Richard




-- 
Erez Yerushalmi
PhD Student, Economics
Warwick University, UK
homepage: http://go.warwick.ac.uk/ep/pg/ecrfaw

RE: Suggestion for LyX

[Rob Oakes]

I'd also throw in a plug for Mendeley (http://www.mendeley.com/).  It
combines the best of many programs into one.  You can use it with Zotero to
pull references from the web and with LyX via the BibTeX sync.  More
importantly, it makes it easy to organize your reference library and sync
PDFs across multiple computers.  I've only started to play with the
collaboration features, but so far I've been pretty impressed.
 
I've been using Mendeley for a book project for about a month and a half,
and it has made many things a lot easier.  While it isn't open source, it is
free (as in beer) and cross platform.

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

-Original Message-
From: Erez Yerushalmi [mailto:erezyerusha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 9:14 AM
To: lyx-users
Cc: Izwandy Idris
Subject: Re: Suggestion for LyX

Another recommendation is to take a look at a program called Zotero.
http://www.zotero.org/
In my opinion, it is nicer than Refworks or WritenCite
They have a nice video explaining the main idea of Zotero.

Erez

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 On 11/26/2009 07:36 AM, Izwandy Idris wrote:

 Hi there,

 I'm a new user of LyX and I found it very interesting (though I'm still
 struggling to get familiar with it). I'm currently writing my thesis and
 need to incorporate citation. At present, I'm using Refworks for my
 referencing works and changing to BibTex is quite a problem for me since
I'm
 used to Refworks and moving to another referencing software will take
more
 time than I have. Is there any way that I can still used Refworks
 (particularly Write n Cite option) in LyX instead of BibTex?



 Questions like this should be sent to the LyX user's list. This list is
for
 issues with the documentation. I'm cc'ing it over there.

 In any event, because LyX acts a frontend to LaTeX, you have to use the
 BibTeX format for your references. RefWorks does export to BibTeX format,
 though, so you can use it with LyX. Just export to BibTeX periodically,
and
 then you can enter your citations in LyX using InsertCitation.

 That said, however, programs like JabRef that handle BibTeX natively are
 extremely easy to use. I'd recommend you install JabRef (
 http://jabref.sourceforge.net/), export your RefWorks database to BibTeX,
 and then open the resulting *.bib file in JabRef. It'll take you several
 seconds to figure it out.

 Richard




-- 
Erez Yerushalmi
PhD Student, Economics
Warwick University, UK
homepage: http://go.warwick.ac.uk/ep/pg/ecrfaw

Re: Suggestion for LyX

[rgheck]

On 11/26/2009 07:36 AM, Izwandy Idris wrote:

Hi there,

I'm a new user of LyX and I found it very interesting (though I'm still 
struggling to get familiar with it). I'm currently writing my thesis and need 
to incorporate citation. At present, I'm using Refworks for my referencing 
works and changing to BibTex is quite a problem for me since I'm used to 
Refworks and moving to another referencing software will take more time than I 
have. Is there any way that I can still used Refworks (particularly Write n 
Cite option) in LyX instead of BibTex?

   
Questions like this should be sent to the LyX user's list. This list is 
for issues with the documentation. I'm cc'ing it over there.


In any event, because LyX acts a frontend to LaTeX, you have to use the 
BibTeX format for your references. RefWorks does export to BibTeX 
format, though, so you can use it with LyX. Just export to BibTeX 
periodically, and then you can enter your citations in LyX using 
InsertCitation.


That said, however, programs like JabRef that handle BibTeX natively are 
extremely easy to use. I'd recommend you install JabRef 
(http://jabref.sourceforge.net/), export your RefWorks database to 
BibTeX, and then open the resulting *.bib file in JabRef. It'll take you 
several seconds to figure it out.


Richard

Re: Suggestion for LyX

[Erez Yerushalmi]

Another recommendation is to take a look at a program called Zotero.
http://www.zotero.org/
In my opinion, it is nicer than Refworks or WritenCite
They have a nice video explaining the main idea of Zotero.

Erez

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 On 11/26/2009 07:36 AM, Izwandy Idris wrote:

 Hi there,

 I'm a new user of LyX and I found it very interesting (though I'm still
 struggling to get familiar with it). I'm currently writing my thesis and
 need to incorporate citation. At present, I'm using Refworks for my
 referencing works and changing to BibTex is quite a problem for me since I'm
 used to Refworks and moving to another referencing software will take more
 time than I have. Is there any way that I can still used Refworks
 (particularly Write n Cite option) in LyX instead of BibTex?



 Questions like this should be sent to the LyX user's list. This list is for
 issues with the documentation. I'm cc'ing it over there.

 In any event, because LyX acts a frontend to LaTeX, you have to use the
 BibTeX format for your references. RefWorks does export to BibTeX format,
 though, so you can use it with LyX. Just export to BibTeX periodically, and
 then you can enter your citations in LyX using InsertCitation.

 That said, however, programs like JabRef that handle BibTeX natively are
 extremely easy to use. I'd recommend you install JabRef (
 http://jabref.sourceforge.net/), export your RefWorks database to BibTeX,
 and then open the resulting *.bib file in JabRef. It'll take you several
 seconds to figure it out.

 Richard




-- 
Erez Yerushalmi
PhD Student, Economics
Warwick University, UK
homepage: http://go.warwick.ac.uk/ep/pg/ecrfaw

RE: Suggestion for LyX

[Rob Oakes]

I'd also throw in a plug for Mendeley (http://www.mendeley.com/).  It
combines the best of many programs into one.  You can use it with Zotero to
pull references from the web and with LyX via the BibTeX sync.  More
importantly, it makes it easy to organize your reference library and sync
PDFs across multiple computers.  I've only started to play with the
collaboration features, but so far I've been pretty impressed.
 
I've been using Mendeley for a book project for about a month and a half,
and it has made many things a lot easier.  While it isn't open source, it is
free (as in beer) and cross platform.

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

-Original Message-
From: Erez Yerushalmi [mailto:erezyerusha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 9:14 AM
To: lyx-users
Cc: Izwandy Idris
Subject: Re: Suggestion for LyX

Another recommendation is to take a look at a program called Zotero.
http://www.zotero.org/
In my opinion, it is nicer than Refworks or WritenCite
They have a nice video explaining the main idea of Zotero.

Erez

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 On 11/26/2009 07:36 AM, Izwandy Idris wrote:

 Hi there,

 I'm a new user of LyX and I found it very interesting (though I'm still
 struggling to get familiar with it). I'm currently writing my thesis and
 need to incorporate citation. At present, I'm using Refworks for my
 referencing works and changing to BibTex is quite a problem for me since
I'm
 used to Refworks and moving to another referencing software will take
more
 time than I have. Is there any way that I can still used Refworks
 (particularly Write n Cite option) in LyX instead of BibTex?



 Questions like this should be sent to the LyX user's list. This list is
for
 issues with the documentation. I'm cc'ing it over there.

 In any event, because LyX acts a frontend to LaTeX, you have to use the
 BibTeX format for your references. RefWorks does export to BibTeX format,
 though, so you can use it with LyX. Just export to BibTeX periodically,
and
 then you can enter your citations in LyX using InsertCitation.

 That said, however, programs like JabRef that handle BibTeX natively are
 extremely easy to use. I'd recommend you install JabRef (
 http://jabref.sourceforge.net/), export your RefWorks database to BibTeX,
 and then open the resulting *.bib file in JabRef. It'll take you several
 seconds to figure it out.

 Richard




-- 
Erez Yerushalmi
PhD Student, Economics
Warwick University, UK
homepage: http://go.warwick.ac.uk/ep/pg/ecrfaw

Re: Suggestion for LyX

[rgheck]

On 11/26/2009 07:36 AM, Izwandy Idris wrote:

Hi there,

I'm a new user of LyX and I found it very interesting (though I'm still 
struggling to get familiar with it). I'm currently writing my thesis and need 
to incorporate citation. At present, I'm using Refworks for my referencing 
works and changing to BibTex is quite a problem for me since I'm used to 
Refworks and moving to another referencing software will take more time than I 
have. Is there any way that I can still used Refworks (particularly Write n 
Cite option) in LyX instead of BibTex?

   
Questions like this should be sent to the LyX user's list. This list is 
for issues with the documentation. I'm cc'ing it over there.


In any event, because LyX acts a frontend to LaTeX, you have to use the 
BibTeX format for your references. RefWorks does export to BibTeX 
format, though, so you can use it with LyX. Just export to BibTeX 
periodically, and then you can enter your citations in LyX using 
"Insert>Citation".


That said, however, programs like JabRef that handle BibTeX natively are 
extremely easy to use. I'd recommend you install JabRef 
(http://jabref.sourceforge.net/), export your RefWorks database to 
BibTeX, and then open the resulting *.bib file in JabRef. It'll take you 
several seconds to figure it out.


Richard

Re: Suggestion for LyX

[Erez Yerushalmi]

Another recommendation is to take a look at a program called Zotero.
http://www.zotero.org/
In my opinion, it is nicer than Refworks or WritenCite
They have a nice video explaining the main idea of Zotero.

Erez

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, rgheck  wrote:

> On 11/26/2009 07:36 AM, Izwandy Idris wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I'm a new user of LyX and I found it very interesting (though I'm still
>> struggling to get familiar with it). I'm currently writing my thesis and
>> need to incorporate citation. At present, I'm using Refworks for my
>> referencing works and changing to BibTex is quite a problem for me since I'm
>> used to Refworks and moving to another referencing software will take more
>> time than I have. Is there any way that I can still used Refworks
>> (particularly Write n Cite option) in LyX instead of BibTex?
>>
>>
>>
> Questions like this should be sent to the LyX user's list. This list is for
> issues with the documentation. I'm cc'ing it over there.
>
> In any event, because LyX acts a frontend to LaTeX, you have to use the
> BibTeX format for your references. RefWorks does export to BibTeX format,
> though, so you can use it with LyX. Just export to BibTeX periodically, and
> then you can enter your citations in LyX using "Insert>Citation".
>
> That said, however, programs like JabRef that handle BibTeX natively are
> extremely easy to use. I'd recommend you install JabRef (
> http://jabref.sourceforge.net/), export your RefWorks database to BibTeX,
> and then open the resulting *.bib file in JabRef. It'll take you several
> seconds to figure it out.
>
> Richard
>
>


-- 
Erez Yerushalmi
PhD Student, Economics
Warwick University, UK
homepage: http://go.warwick.ac.uk/ep/pg/ecrfaw

RE: Suggestion for LyX

[Rob Oakes]

I'd also throw in a plug for Mendeley (http://www.mendeley.com/).  It
combines the best of many programs into one.  You can use it with Zotero to
pull references from the web and with LyX via the BibTeX sync.  More
importantly, it makes it easy to organize your reference library and sync
PDFs across multiple computers.  I've only started to play with the
collaboration features, but so far I've been pretty impressed.
 
I've been using Mendeley for a book project for about a month and a half,
and it has made many things a lot easier.  While it isn't open source, it is
free (as in beer) and cross platform.

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

-Original Message-
From: Erez Yerushalmi [mailto:erezyerusha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 9:14 AM
To: lyx-users
Cc: Izwandy Idris
Subject: Re: Suggestion for LyX

Another recommendation is to take a look at a program called Zotero.
http://www.zotero.org/
In my opinion, it is nicer than Refworks or WritenCite
They have a nice video explaining the main idea of Zotero.

Erez

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, rgheck <rgh...@bobjweil.com> wrote:

> On 11/26/2009 07:36 AM, Izwandy Idris wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I'm a new user of LyX and I found it very interesting (though I'm still
>> struggling to get familiar with it). I'm currently writing my thesis and
>> need to incorporate citation. At present, I'm using Refworks for my
>> referencing works and changing to BibTex is quite a problem for me since
I'm
>> used to Refworks and moving to another referencing software will take
more
>> time than I have. Is there any way that I can still used Refworks
>> (particularly Write n Cite option) in LyX instead of BibTex?
>>
>>
>>
> Questions like this should be sent to the LyX user's list. This list is
for
> issues with the documentation. I'm cc'ing it over there.
>
> In any event, because LyX acts a frontend to LaTeX, you have to use the
> BibTeX format for your references. RefWorks does export to BibTeX format,
> though, so you can use it with LyX. Just export to BibTeX periodically,
and
> then you can enter your citations in LyX using "Insert>Citation".
>
> That said, however, programs like JabRef that handle BibTeX natively are
> extremely easy to use. I'd recommend you install JabRef (
> http://jabref.sourceforge.net/), export your RefWorks database to BibTeX,
> and then open the resulting *.bib file in JabRef. It'll take you several
> seconds to figure it out.
>
> Richard
>
>


-- 
Erez Yerushalmi
PhD Student, Economics
Warwick University, UK
homepage: http://go.warwick.ac.uk/ep/pg/ecrfaw

Re: Suggestion

[Christian Ridderström]

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Andrew Sullivan wrote:


On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 08:39:24AM -0400, Manoj Rajagopalan wrote:
, 
 thunderbird, kmail etc. allow you to move incoming mails into custom folders 
 based on criteria like To:,Cc: fields etc.


Or the List-*: mail headers, which were designed partly for just that
purpose.


In case the above wasn't clear enough, the emails already contain 
'headers' such as these:


Mailing-List: contact lyx-users-h...@lists.lyx.org; run by ezmlm
List-Post: mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
List-Help: mailto:lyx-users-h...@lists.lyx.org
Delivered-To: mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

You just need to make your client recognize any of them..

/Christian



A




--
Christian Ridderström   Mobile: +46-8 768 39 44

Re: Suggestion

[Christian Ridderström]

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Andrew Sullivan wrote:


On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 08:39:24AM -0400, Manoj Rajagopalan wrote:
, 
 thunderbird, kmail etc. allow you to move incoming mails into custom folders 
 based on criteria like To:,Cc: fields etc.


Or the List-*: mail headers, which were designed partly for just that
purpose.


In case the above wasn't clear enough, the emails already contain 
'headers' such as these:


Mailing-List: contact lyx-users-h...@lists.lyx.org; run by ezmlm
List-Post: mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
List-Help: mailto:lyx-users-h...@lists.lyx.org
Delivered-To: mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

You just need to make your client recognize any of them..

/Christian



A




--
Christian Ridderström   Mobile: +46-8 768 39 44

Re: Suggestion

[Christian Ridderström]

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Andrew Sullivan wrote:


On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 08:39:24AM -0400, Manoj Rajagopalan wrote:
, 
> thunderbird, kmail etc. allow you to move incoming mails into custom folders 
> based on criteria like To:,Cc: fields etc.


Or the List-*: mail headers, which were designed partly for just that
purpose.


In case the above wasn't clear enough, the emails already contain 
'headers' such as these:


Mailing-List: contact lyx-users-h...@lists.lyx.org; run by ezmlm
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
Delivered-To: mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

You just need to make your client recognize any of them..

/Christian



A




--
Christian Ridderström   Mobile: +46-8 768 39 44

Re: Suggestion

[Erez Yerushalmi]

Hi,
I use google mail to collect university mail and private mail.
Google has a 'label' option.
So all my LyX mail gets a lyx label, which makes it easy to manage.

I think it is the same idea as you're talking about, but I don't need the
server side as you mention...

Maybe this can help...

Best Regards,  erez



On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:07 AM, K. Elo mailli...@nic.fi wrote:

 Dear list members!

 I suppose most of us are members in other mailing lists, too, and thus
 receive several mails per day from these lists. Now, several lists add a
 list identifier at the beginning of the topic (e.g. [List] Title).

 What do you think, would such an identifier make sense for this list?
 The implementation must follow at the server side before a posting is
 forwarded to the list, but this should be quite easy to implement. If an
 identifier would be added, the topic of this mail would be e.g.
 [Lyx-Users] Suggestion.

 Kind regards,
 Kimmo





-- 
Erez Yerushalmi
PhD Student
Warwick University, UK
homepage: http://go.warwick.ac.uk/ep/pg/ecrfaw

Re: Suggestion

[Manoj Rajagopalan]

On Friday 14 August 2009 2:07:43 am K. Elo wrote:
 Dear list members!

 I suppose most of us are members in other mailing lists, too, and thus
 receive several mails per day from these lists. Now, several lists add a
 list identifier at the beginning of the topic (e.g. [List] Title).

 What do you think, would such an identifier make sense for this list?
 The implementation must follow at the server side before a posting is
 forwarded to the list, but this should be quite easy to implement. If an
 identifier would be added, the topic of this mail would be e.g.
 [Lyx-Users] Suggestion.

 Kind regards,
 Kimmo


This is a great idea but till such time it is implemented you could try 
creating your own client-side filters. Most email clients like outlook express, 
thunderbird, kmail etc. allow you to move incoming mails into custom folders 
based on criteria like To:,Cc: fields etc.

-- Manoj

Re: Suggestion

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 08:39:24AM -0400, Manoj Rajagopalan wrote:
, 
 thunderbird, kmail etc. allow you to move incoming mails into custom folders 
 based on criteria like To:,Cc: fields etc.

Or the List-*: mail headers, which were designed partly for just that
purpose.

A

-- 
Andrew Sullivan
a...@shinkuro.com
Shinkuro, Inc.

Re: Suggestion

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 14, K. Elo did say:

 Subject: Suggestion
 
 Dear list members!
 
 I suppose most of us are members in other mailing lists, too, and thus
 receive several mails per day from these lists. Now, several lists add a
 list identifier at the beginning of the topic (e.g. [List] Title).
 
 What do you think, would such an identifier make sense for this list?
 The implementation must follow at the server side before a posting is
 forwarded to the list, but this should be quite easy to implement. If an
 identifier would be added, the topic of this mail would be e.g.
 [Lyx-Users] Suggestion.

I for one would NOT find that convenient Elo...

I read my mail (and usenetgroups) with a threaded reader that uses
the headers to group all the messages in thread order. Since I also
use filters to sort them into folders I have no need for the info
embedded in the identifier you suggest. And because it would be on the 
left hand side of the subject header it would reduce the functionality
of the threaded index view of my mail client. 

= To illustrate what I mean, I've included a snippage of what an 80
= column threaded index view of my lyx folder looks like (see below)
= - Note: that view includes an example of a modified subject that was
= - still part of the same thread. Sometimes that happens because
= - someone who doesn't know (or doesn't care) how threaded readers
= - work, hits reply and edits the subject as a shortcut to starting a
= - new discussion in which if the thread runs deep enough, I could
= - miss the one interesting message hiding in a thread I'm no longer 
= - reading... 

On the other hand if they went with appending it to the righthand end
of the subject, so that this topic would show up as:
Suggestion [Lyx-Users] rather than as [Lyx-Users] Suggestion,
then it wouldn't bother me at all... But you might miss it if the
subject was too long... Guess there is no way to keep us both happy. sigh 

# begin snippage ###

 ALPINE 2.00 MESSAGE INDEX [H] Incoming-Folders LyXstuff  Msg 1,908 of 2,145

1906 Jul 31 Marcelo Acuña(4K) . Re: Drag and Drop
1907 Jul 31 Nikos Alexandris (3K) . \-Re: Drag and Drop
1908 Jul 31 Michael Joyner ᏩᏯ(7K) .   \-Re: Drag and Drop
1909 Jul 31 Nikos Alexandris (4K) . \-Re: Drag and Drop
1910 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K) .   \-Re: Drag and Drop
  A 1911 Jul 31 Johannes Knaus   (4K) . |-Re: Drag and Drop
1912 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K) . | |-Re: Drag and Dr
1913 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K)   | | \-Re: Drag and 
*   1914 Aug  1 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook   (5K) . | |-Re: Drag and Dr
  A 1915 Aug  1 Steve Litt   (6K) . | | \-Keyboard Cent
*   1916 Aug  5 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook   (5K)   | |   \-Re: Keyboar
1917 Aug  6 Helge Hafting(6K) . | \-Re: Drag and Dr
1918 Aug  6 Nikos Alexandris (3K) . |   |-Re: Drag and 
1919 Aug  6 Johannes Knaus   (3K) . |   | \-Re: Drag an
1920 Aug  6 Johannes Knaus   (4K)   |   |   \-Re: Drag 
1921 Aug  6 Marcelo Acuña(4K)   |   \-Re: Drag and 
1922 Jul 31 Steve Litt   (4K)   \-Re: Drag and Drop

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___jtw...@ttlc.net
|  '   `

Re: Suggestion

[Erez Yerushalmi]

Hi,
I use google mail to collect university mail and private mail.
Google has a 'label' option.
So all my LyX mail gets a lyx label, which makes it easy to manage.

I think it is the same idea as you're talking about, but I don't need the
server side as you mention...

Maybe this can help...

Best Regards,  erez



On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:07 AM, K. Elo mailli...@nic.fi wrote:

 Dear list members!

 I suppose most of us are members in other mailing lists, too, and thus
 receive several mails per day from these lists. Now, several lists add a
 list identifier at the beginning of the topic (e.g. [List] Title).

 What do you think, would such an identifier make sense for this list?
 The implementation must follow at the server side before a posting is
 forwarded to the list, but this should be quite easy to implement. If an
 identifier would be added, the topic of this mail would be e.g.
 [Lyx-Users] Suggestion.

 Kind regards,
 Kimmo





-- 
Erez Yerushalmi
PhD Student
Warwick University, UK
homepage: http://go.warwick.ac.uk/ep/pg/ecrfaw

Re: Suggestion

[Manoj Rajagopalan]

On Friday 14 August 2009 2:07:43 am K. Elo wrote:
 Dear list members!

 I suppose most of us are members in other mailing lists, too, and thus
 receive several mails per day from these lists. Now, several lists add a
 list identifier at the beginning of the topic (e.g. [List] Title).

 What do you think, would such an identifier make sense for this list?
 The implementation must follow at the server side before a posting is
 forwarded to the list, but this should be quite easy to implement. If an
 identifier would be added, the topic of this mail would be e.g.
 [Lyx-Users] Suggestion.

 Kind regards,
 Kimmo


This is a great idea but till such time it is implemented you could try 
creating your own client-side filters. Most email clients like outlook express, 
thunderbird, kmail etc. allow you to move incoming mails into custom folders 
based on criteria like To:,Cc: fields etc.

-- Manoj

Re: Suggestion

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 08:39:24AM -0400, Manoj Rajagopalan wrote:
, 
 thunderbird, kmail etc. allow you to move incoming mails into custom folders 
 based on criteria like To:,Cc: fields etc.

Or the List-*: mail headers, which were designed partly for just that
purpose.

A

-- 
Andrew Sullivan
a...@shinkuro.com
Shinkuro, Inc.

Re: Suggestion

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 14, K. Elo did say:

 Subject: Suggestion
 
 Dear list members!
 
 I suppose most of us are members in other mailing lists, too, and thus
 receive several mails per day from these lists. Now, several lists add a
 list identifier at the beginning of the topic (e.g. [List] Title).
 
 What do you think, would such an identifier make sense for this list?
 The implementation must follow at the server side before a posting is
 forwarded to the list, but this should be quite easy to implement. If an
 identifier would be added, the topic of this mail would be e.g.
 [Lyx-Users] Suggestion.

I for one would NOT find that convenient Elo...

I read my mail (and usenetgroups) with a threaded reader that uses
the headers to group all the messages in thread order. Since I also
use filters to sort them into folders I have no need for the info
embedded in the identifier you suggest. And because it would be on the 
left hand side of the subject header it would reduce the functionality
of the threaded index view of my mail client. 

= To illustrate what I mean, I've included a snippage of what an 80
= column threaded index view of my lyx folder looks like (see below)
= - Note: that view includes an example of a modified subject that was
= - still part of the same thread. Sometimes that happens because
= - someone who doesn't know (or doesn't care) how threaded readers
= - work, hits reply and edits the subject as a shortcut to starting a
= - new discussion in which if the thread runs deep enough, I could
= - miss the one interesting message hiding in a thread I'm no longer 
= - reading... 

On the other hand if they went with appending it to the righthand end
of the subject, so that this topic would show up as:
Suggestion [Lyx-Users] rather than as [Lyx-Users] Suggestion,
then it wouldn't bother me at all... But you might miss it if the
subject was too long... Guess there is no way to keep us both happy. sigh 

# begin snippage ###

 ALPINE 2.00 MESSAGE INDEX [H] Incoming-Folders LyXstuff  Msg 1,908 of 2,145

1906 Jul 31 Marcelo Acuña(4K) . Re: Drag and Drop
1907 Jul 31 Nikos Alexandris (3K) . \-Re: Drag and Drop
1908 Jul 31 Michael Joyner ᏩᏯ(7K) .   \-Re: Drag and Drop
1909 Jul 31 Nikos Alexandris (4K) . \-Re: Drag and Drop
1910 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K) .   \-Re: Drag and Drop
  A 1911 Jul 31 Johannes Knaus   (4K) . |-Re: Drag and Drop
1912 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K) . | |-Re: Drag and Dr
1913 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K)   | | \-Re: Drag and 
*   1914 Aug  1 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook   (5K) . | |-Re: Drag and Dr
  A 1915 Aug  1 Steve Litt   (6K) . | | \-Keyboard Cent
*   1916 Aug  5 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook   (5K)   | |   \-Re: Keyboar
1917 Aug  6 Helge Hafting(6K) . | \-Re: Drag and Dr
1918 Aug  6 Nikos Alexandris (3K) . |   |-Re: Drag and 
1919 Aug  6 Johannes Knaus   (3K) . |   | \-Re: Drag an
1920 Aug  6 Johannes Knaus   (4K)   |   |   \-Re: Drag 
1921 Aug  6 Marcelo Acuña(4K)   |   \-Re: Drag and 
1922 Jul 31 Steve Litt   (4K)   \-Re: Drag and Drop

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|o   o   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___jtw...@ttlc.net
|  '   `

Re: Suggestion

[Erez Yerushalmi]

Hi,
I use google mail to collect university mail and private mail.
Google has a 'label' option.
So all my LyX mail gets a lyx label, which makes it easy to manage.

I think it is the same idea as you're talking about, but I don't need the
server side as you mention...

Maybe this can help...

Best Regards,  erez



On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:07 AM, K. Elo  wrote:

> Dear list members!
>
> I suppose most of us are members in other mailing lists, too, and thus
> receive several mails per day from these lists. Now, several lists add a
> list identifier at the beginning of the topic (e.g. "[List] Title").
>
> What do you think, would such an identifier make sense for this list?
> The implementation must follow at the server side before a posting is
> forwarded to the list, but this should be quite easy to implement. If an
> identifier would be added, the topic of this mail would be e.g.
> "[Lyx-Users] Suggestion".
>
> Kind regards,
> Kimmo
>
>
>


-- 
Erez Yerushalmi
PhD Student
Warwick University, UK
homepage: http://go.warwick.ac.uk/ep/pg/ecrfaw

Re: Suggestion

[Manoj Rajagopalan]

On Friday 14 August 2009 2:07:43 am K. Elo wrote:
> Dear list members!
>
> I suppose most of us are members in other mailing lists, too, and thus
> receive several mails per day from these lists. Now, several lists add a
> list identifier at the beginning of the topic (e.g. "[List] Title").
>
> What do you think, would such an identifier make sense for this list?
> The implementation must follow at the server side before a posting is
> forwarded to the list, but this should be quite easy to implement. If an
> identifier would be added, the topic of this mail would be e.g.
> "[Lyx-Users] Suggestion".
>
> Kind regards,
> Kimmo


This is a great idea but till such time it is implemented you could try 
creating your own client-side filters. Most email clients like outlook express, 
thunderbird, kmail etc. allow you to move incoming mails into custom folders 
based on criteria like To:,Cc: fields etc.

-- Manoj

Re: Suggestion

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 08:39:24AM -0400, Manoj Rajagopalan wrote:
, 
> thunderbird, kmail etc. allow you to move incoming mails into custom folders 
> based on criteria like To:,Cc: fields etc.

Or the List-*: mail headers, which were designed partly for just that
purpose.

A

-- 
Andrew Sullivan
a...@shinkuro.com
Shinkuro, Inc.

Re: Suggestion

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Aug 14, K. Elo did say:

> Subject: Suggestion
> 
> Dear list members!
> 
> I suppose most of us are members in other mailing lists, too, and thus
> receive several mails per day from these lists. Now, several lists add a
> list identifier at the beginning of the topic (e.g. "[List] Title").
> 
> What do you think, would such an identifier make sense for this list?
> The implementation must follow at the server side before a posting is
> forwarded to the list, but this should be quite easy to implement. If an
> identifier would be added, the topic of this mail would be e.g.
> "[Lyx-Users] Suggestion".

I for one would NOT find that convenient Elo...

I read my mail (and usenetgroups) with a threaded reader that uses
the headers to group all the messages in thread order. Since I also
use filters to sort them into folders I have no need for the info
embedded in the identifier you suggest. And because it would be on the 
left hand side of the subject header it would reduce the functionality
of the threaded index view of my mail client. 

=> To illustrate what I mean, I've included a snippage of what an 80
=> column threaded index view of my lyx folder looks like (see below)
=> -> Note: that view includes an example of a modified subject that was
=> -> still part of the same thread. Sometimes that happens because
=> -> someone who doesn't know (or doesn't care) how threaded readers
=> -> work, hits reply and edits the subject as a shortcut to starting a
=> -> new discussion in which if the thread runs deep enough, I could
=> -> miss the one interesting message hiding in a thread I'm no longer 
=> -> reading... 

On the other hand if they went with appending it to the righthand end
of the subject, so that this topic would show up as:
"Suggestion [Lyx-Users]" rather than as "[Lyx-Users] Suggestion",
then it wouldn't bother me at all... But you might miss it if the
subject was too long... Guess there is no way to keep us both happy.  

# begin snippage ###

 ALPINE 2.00 MESSAGE INDEX [H]  LyXstuff  Msg 1,908 of 2,145

1906 Jul 31 Marcelo Acuña(4K) . Re: Drag and Drop
1907 Jul 31 Nikos Alexandris (3K) . \-Re: Drag and Drop
1908 Jul 31 Michael Joyner ᏩᏯ(7K) .   \-Re: Drag and Drop
1909 Jul 31 Nikos Alexandris (4K) . \-Re: Drag and Drop
1910 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K) .   \-Re: Drag and Drop
  A 1911 Jul 31 Johannes Knaus   (4K) . |-Re: Drag and Drop
1912 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K) . | |-Re: Drag and Dr
1913 Jul 31 Abdelrazak Younes(3K)   | | \-Re: Drag and 
*   1914 Aug  1 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook   (5K) . | |-Re: Drag and Dr
  A 1915 Aug  1 Steve Litt   (6K) . | | \-Keyboard Cent
*   1916 Aug  5 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook   (5K)   | |   \-Re: Keyboar
1917 Aug  6 Helge Hafting(6K) . | \-Re: Drag and Dr
1918 Aug  6 Nikos Alexandris (3K) . |   |-Re: Drag and 
1919 Aug  6 Johannes Knaus   (3K) . |   | \-Re: Drag an
1920 Aug  6 Johannes Knaus   (4K)   |   |   \-Re: Drag 
1921 Aug  6 Marcelo Acuña(4K)   |   \-Re: Drag and 
1922 Jul 31 Steve Litt   (4K)   \-Re: Drag and Drop

-- 
|^^^   ^^^
|  Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|^J(tWdy)P
|   ___<>
|  '   `

Re: Suggestion for bibliography

[rgheck]

James Mansion wrote:
I find it distracting to have to go to the bibliography section and 
use the (handy!) bibiography editor and then go back to where I was to 
add a Citation.


It would be really handy if the Add Citation dialog had an option to 
create a new one and pop in a reference to it in one go.


The Bibliography environment is not really what you want. It's more a 
one-off sort of thing. If you're doing this as often as you seem to be, 
then you should be using BibTeX. Get a copy of JabRef and start creating 
your database. Include it via the InsetTOCBibliography, and then 
you'll have access to it at every citation. You'll also be able to use 
it in other documents. You can keep JabRef open alongside LyX for when 
you need to add a new citation. But after a while, you'll build up a 
database, and you won't have to add things very often.


rh

Re: Suggestion for bibliography

[rgheck]

James Mansion wrote:
I find it distracting to have to go to the bibliography section and 
use the (handy!) bibiography editor and then go back to where I was to 
add a Citation.


It would be really handy if the Add Citation dialog had an option to 
create a new one and pop in a reference to it in one go.


The Bibliography environment is not really what you want. It's more a 
one-off sort of thing. If you're doing this as often as you seem to be, 
then you should be using BibTeX. Get a copy of JabRef and start creating 
your database. Include it via the InsetTOCBibliography, and then 
you'll have access to it at every citation. You'll also be able to use 
it in other documents. You can keep JabRef open alongside LyX for when 
you need to add a new citation. But after a while, you'll build up a 
database, and you won't have to add things very often.


rh

Re: Suggestion for bibliography

[rgheck]

James Mansion wrote:
I find it distracting to have to go to the bibliography section and 
use the (handy!) bibiography editor and then go back to where I was to 
add a Citation.


It would be really handy if the Add Citation dialog had an option to 
create a new one and pop in a reference to it in one go.


The Bibliography environment is not really what you want. It's more a 
one-off sort of thing. If you're doing this as often as you seem to be, 
then you should be using BibTeX. Get a copy of JabRef and start creating 
your database. Include it via the Inset>TOC>Bibliography, and then 
you'll have access to it at every citation. You'll also be able to use 
it in other documents. You can keep JabRef open alongside LyX for when 
you need to add a new citation. But after a while, you'll build up a 
database, and you won't have to add things very often.


rh

Re: Suggestion

[Paul A. Rubin]

Alex Streit wrote:

Hi all,

I am using LyX 1.3.6 (Mac), although I've noticed the same behaviour on
Linux and Windows builds.

One thing that keeps getting me is that I find the selection behaviour
un-intuitive. Because it is very much a character - to - character
selection, which makes it hard to select and rearrange whole paragraphs or
whole sections or even just a whole line.

For example, say I had a list and I wanted to move the first item to the
bottom.

I either have to:
- place the caret at the first position of the first line, select all the
characters in that line, cut them, move to the bottom, manually add a new
line, then paste the selection. The disadvantage is that the bullet point is
not included in the selection, so if I paste it elsewhere I have to make
sure I prepare a bullet point first.
- alternatively i place the caret at the first position of the first line
and then move back one character (which places the caret at the end of the
line preceeding it)


Or you can just place the cursor there directly.


and then select the characters. This will now include
the bullet point in the selection (which is what I would expect), but the
last end-of-line (well, end of paragraph) is not included, so I still have
to insert that, or select up to the start of the next line or something.


If I select from the end of the preceding entry to the end of the entry 
being moved, when I paste at the new location I get both a new bullet 
and an end-of-paragraph.



I don't know about others that use lyx, but I think that if lyx behaved a
little more like traditional word processors when it came to selections at
the start and end of lines I would be much happier.

I have to say, though, that I love lyx and this is only a suggestion.

-alex



Is there actually a standard behavior for these sorts of operations? 
I just cobbled together a bullet list in Word Perfect and tried moving 
an entry.  As with LyX, you can't literally include the bullet in the 
selection.  If I place the cursor at the start of an entry and cut from 
there to the end of the line, an empty line (with bullet) remains, and 
after placing the cursor at the insertion point I need to hit Enter to 
get a new bullet before pasting. Personally, I prefer LyX's automatic 
removal of the empty line.


If I cut from the start of the entry to the start of the next entry, the 
empty line is not there, but I still need to hit Enter at the insertion 
point to start a new bullet.


On the other hand, if I cut from the end of the preceding entry to the 
end of the entry that is moving, then I can paste at the insertion point 
and get a new bullet automatically (same as LyX).


I guess I'm not clear on what is nonstandard about what LyX is doing.

Paul

Re: Suggestion

[Roy Schestowitz]

_/ On Tue 08 Nov 2005 15:09:51 GMT, [Paul A. Rubin] wrote : \_


Alex Streit wrote:

Hi all,

I am using LyX 1.3.6 (Mac), although I've noticed the same behaviour on
Linux and Windows builds.



Yes, all are rather uniform in terms of their behaviour.



One thing that keeps getting me is that I find the selection behaviour
un-intuitive. Because it is very much a character - to - character
selection, which makes it hard to select and rearrange whole paragraphs or
whole sections or even just a whole line.



I  noticed  that too, but never complained. I re-adjusted my mind and  got
accustomed *over time*. This behaviour is attributed to the LaTeX/LyX for-
mat  underneath, yet a few tweaks could probably correct this.  Selections
do  not include the structural information that precedes them, e.g.  Sec-
tion.



For example, say I had a list and I wanted to move the first item to the
bottom.

I either have to:
- place the caret at the first position of the first line, select all the
characters in that line, cut them, move to the bottom, manually add a new
line, then paste the selection. The disadvantage is that the bullet point is
not included in the selection, so if I paste it elsewhere I have to make
sure I prepare a bullet point first.
- alternatively i place the caret at the first position of the first line
and then move back one character (which places the caret at the end of the
line preceeding it)


Or you can just place the cursor there directly.


and then select the characters. This will now include
the bullet point in the selection (which is what I would expect), but the
last end-of-line (well, end of paragraph) is not included, so I still have
to insert that, or select up to the start of the next line or something.


If I select from the end of the preceding entry to the end of the 
entry being moved, when I paste at the new location I get both a new 
bullet and an end-of-paragraph.



I don't know about others that use lyx, but I think that if lyx behaved a
little more like traditional word processors when it came to selections at
the start and end of lines I would be much happier.

I have to say, though, that I love lyx and this is only a suggestion.



I think that committing changes as such would only confuse existing users.
Having said that, I agree that this behaviour, which affects not only bul-
leted lists, is irrational and can deter new LyX users.


Is there actually a standard behavior for these sorts of 
operations? I just cobbled together a bullet list in Word Perfect and 
tried moving an entry.  As with LyX, you can't literally include the 
bullet in the selection.  If I place the cursor at the start of an 
entry and cut from there to the end of the line, an empty line (with 
bullet) remains, and after placing the cursor at the insertion point 
I need to hit Enter to get a new bullet before pasting. Personally, I 
prefer LyX's automatic removal of the empty line.


If I cut from the start of the entry to the start of the next entry, 
the empty line is not there, but I still need to hit Enter at the 
insertion point to start a new bullet.


On the other hand, if I cut from the end of the preceding entry to 
the end of the entry that is moving, then I can paste at the 
insertion point and get a new bullet automatically (same as LyX).


I guess I'm not clear on what is nonstandard about what LyX is doing.

Paul



I can agree with you, Paul, but what people have become to accept as 'cor-
rect' is not necessarily most helpful. If a user highlights the content of
a  bulletpoint,  he/she probably wants to grab the text as-is, i.e.  as  a
bullet. It is valuable to form some expectation of what the user wishes to
do  next and take the necessary steps (without popping up some doggy or  a
paperclip, of course).

Roy

Re: Suggestion

[Georg Baum]

Am Dienstag, 8. November 2005 17:47 schrieb Roy Schestowitz:

 I  noticed  that too, but never complained. I re-adjusted my mind and  
got
 accustomed *over time*. This behaviour is attributed to the LaTeX/LyX 
for-
 mat  underneath, yet a few tweaks could probably correct this.  
Selections
 do  not include the structural information that precedes them, e.g.  
Sec-
 tion.

IIRC this will be fixed in the upcoming 1.4.0 release.

Roy and Paul, I did not read your suggestions completely, but they look 
sensible at a frist glance. Please file them an enhancement request at 
http://bugzilla.lyx.org so that they will not be forgotten.


Georg

Re: Suggestion

[Paul A. Rubin]

Alex Streit wrote:

Hi all,

I am using LyX 1.3.6 (Mac), although I've noticed the same behaviour on
Linux and Windows builds.

One thing that keeps getting me is that I find the selection behaviour
un-intuitive. Because it is very much a character - to - character
selection, which makes it hard to select and rearrange whole paragraphs or
whole sections or even just a whole line.

For example, say I had a list and I wanted to move the first item to the
bottom.

I either have to:
- place the caret at the first position of the first line, select all the
characters in that line, cut them, move to the bottom, manually add a new
line, then paste the selection. The disadvantage is that the bullet point is
not included in the selection, so if I paste it elsewhere I have to make
sure I prepare a bullet point first.
- alternatively i place the caret at the first position of the first line
and then move back one character (which places the caret at the end of the
line preceeding it)


Or you can just place the cursor there directly.


and then select the characters. This will now include
the bullet point in the selection (which is what I would expect), but the
last end-of-line (well, end of paragraph) is not included, so I still have
to insert that, or select up to the start of the next line or something.


If I select from the end of the preceding entry to the end of the entry 
being moved, when I paste at the new location I get both a new bullet 
and an end-of-paragraph.



I don't know about others that use lyx, but I think that if lyx behaved a
little more like traditional word processors when it came to selections at
the start and end of lines I would be much happier.

I have to say, though, that I love lyx and this is only a suggestion.

-alex



Is there actually a standard behavior for these sorts of operations? 
I just cobbled together a bullet list in Word Perfect and tried moving 
an entry.  As with LyX, you can't literally include the bullet in the 
selection.  If I place the cursor at the start of an entry and cut from 
there to the end of the line, an empty line (with bullet) remains, and 
after placing the cursor at the insertion point I need to hit Enter to 
get a new bullet before pasting. Personally, I prefer LyX's automatic 
removal of the empty line.


If I cut from the start of the entry to the start of the next entry, the 
empty line is not there, but I still need to hit Enter at the insertion 
point to start a new bullet.


On the other hand, if I cut from the end of the preceding entry to the 
end of the entry that is moving, then I can paste at the insertion point 
and get a new bullet automatically (same as LyX).


I guess I'm not clear on what is nonstandard about what LyX is doing.

Paul

Re: Suggestion

[Roy Schestowitz]

_/ On Tue 08 Nov 2005 15:09:51 GMT, [Paul A. Rubin] wrote : \_


Alex Streit wrote:

Hi all,

I am using LyX 1.3.6 (Mac), although I've noticed the same behaviour on
Linux and Windows builds.



Yes, all are rather uniform in terms of their behaviour.



One thing that keeps getting me is that I find the selection behaviour
un-intuitive. Because it is very much a character - to - character
selection, which makes it hard to select and rearrange whole paragraphs or
whole sections or even just a whole line.



I  noticed  that too, but never complained. I re-adjusted my mind and  got
accustomed *over time*. This behaviour is attributed to the LaTeX/LyX for-
mat  underneath, yet a few tweaks could probably correct this.  Selections
do  not include the structural information that precedes them, e.g.  Sec-
tion.



For example, say I had a list and I wanted to move the first item to the
bottom.

I either have to:
- place the caret at the first position of the first line, select all the
characters in that line, cut them, move to the bottom, manually add a new
line, then paste the selection. The disadvantage is that the bullet point is
not included in the selection, so if I paste it elsewhere I have to make
sure I prepare a bullet point first.
- alternatively i place the caret at the first position of the first line
and then move back one character (which places the caret at the end of the
line preceeding it)


Or you can just place the cursor there directly.


and then select the characters. This will now include
the bullet point in the selection (which is what I would expect), but the
last end-of-line (well, end of paragraph) is not included, so I still have
to insert that, or select up to the start of the next line or something.


If I select from the end of the preceding entry to the end of the 
entry being moved, when I paste at the new location I get both a new 
bullet and an end-of-paragraph.



I don't know about others that use lyx, but I think that if lyx behaved a
little more like traditional word processors when it came to selections at
the start and end of lines I would be much happier.

I have to say, though, that I love lyx and this is only a suggestion.



I think that committing changes as such would only confuse existing users.
Having said that, I agree that this behaviour, which affects not only bul-
leted lists, is irrational and can deter new LyX users.


Is there actually a standard behavior for these sorts of 
operations? I just cobbled together a bullet list in Word Perfect and 
tried moving an entry.  As with LyX, you can't literally include the 
bullet in the selection.  If I place the cursor at the start of an 
entry and cut from there to the end of the line, an empty line (with 
bullet) remains, and after placing the cursor at the insertion point 
I need to hit Enter to get a new bullet before pasting. Personally, I 
prefer LyX's automatic removal of the empty line.


If I cut from the start of the entry to the start of the next entry, 
the empty line is not there, but I still need to hit Enter at the 
insertion point to start a new bullet.


On the other hand, if I cut from the end of the preceding entry to 
the end of the entry that is moving, then I can paste at the 
insertion point and get a new bullet automatically (same as LyX).


I guess I'm not clear on what is nonstandard about what LyX is doing.

Paul



I can agree with you, Paul, but what people have become to accept as 'cor-
rect' is not necessarily most helpful. If a user highlights the content of
a  bulletpoint,  he/she probably wants to grab the text as-is, i.e.  as  a
bullet. It is valuable to form some expectation of what the user wishes to
do  next and take the necessary steps (without popping up some doggy or  a
paperclip, of course).

Roy

Re: Suggestion

[Georg Baum]

Am Dienstag, 8. November 2005 17:47 schrieb Roy Schestowitz:

 I  noticed  that too, but never complained. I re-adjusted my mind and  
got
 accustomed *over time*. This behaviour is attributed to the LaTeX/LyX 
for-
 mat  underneath, yet a few tweaks could probably correct this.  
Selections
 do  not include the structural information that precedes them, e.g.  
Sec-
 tion.

IIRC this will be fixed in the upcoming 1.4.0 release.

Roy and Paul, I did not read your suggestions completely, but they look 
sensible at a frist glance. Please file them an enhancement request at 
http://bugzilla.lyx.org so that they will not be forgotten.


Georg

Re: Suggestion

[Paul A. Rubin]

Alex Streit wrote:

Hi all,

I am using LyX 1.3.6 (Mac), although I've noticed the same behaviour on
Linux and Windows builds.

One thing that keeps getting me is that I find the selection behaviour
un-intuitive. Because it is very much a character - to - character
selection, which makes it hard to select and rearrange whole paragraphs or
whole sections or even just a whole line.

For example, say I had a list and I wanted to move the first item to the
bottom.

I either have to:
- place the caret at the first position of the first line, select all the
characters in that line, cut them, move to the bottom, manually add a new
line, then paste the selection. The disadvantage is that the bullet point is
not included in the selection, so if I paste it elsewhere I have to make
sure I prepare a bullet point first.
- alternatively i place the caret at the first position of the first line
and then move back one character (which places the caret at the end of the
line preceeding it)


Or you can just place the cursor there directly.


and then select the characters. This will now include
the bullet point in the selection (which is what I would expect), but the
last end-of-line (well, end of paragraph) is not included, so I still have
to insert that, or select up to the start of the next line or something.


If I select from the end of the preceding entry to the end of the entry 
being moved, when I paste at the new location I get both a new bullet 
and an end-of-paragraph.



I don't know about others that use lyx, but I think that if lyx behaved a
little more like traditional word processors when it came to selections at
the start and end of lines I would be much happier.

I have to say, though, that I love lyx and this is only a suggestion.

-alex



Is there actually a "standard" behavior for these sorts of operations? 
I just cobbled together a bullet list in Word Perfect and tried moving 
an entry.  As with LyX, you can't literally include the bullet in the 
selection.  If I place the cursor at the start of an entry and cut from 
there to the end of the line, an empty line (with bullet) remains, and 
after placing the cursor at the insertion point I need to hit Enter to 
get a new bullet before pasting. Personally, I prefer LyX's automatic 
removal of the empty line.


If I cut from the start of the entry to the start of the next entry, the 
empty line is not there, but I still need to hit Enter at the insertion 
point to start a new bullet.


On the other hand, if I cut from the end of the preceding entry to the 
end of the entry that is moving, then I can paste at the insertion point 
and get a new bullet automatically (same as LyX).


I guess I'm not clear on what is "nonstandard" about what LyX is doing.

Paul

Re: Suggestion

[Roy Schestowitz]

_/ On Tue 08 Nov 2005 15:09:51 GMT, [Paul A. Rubin] wrote : \_


Alex Streit wrote:

Hi all,

I am using LyX 1.3.6 (Mac), although I've noticed the same behaviour on
Linux and Windows builds.



Yes, all are rather uniform in terms of their behaviour.



One thing that keeps getting me is that I find the selection behaviour
un-intuitive. Because it is very much a character - to - character
selection, which makes it hard to select and rearrange whole paragraphs or
whole sections or even just a whole line.



I  noticed  that too, but never complained. I re-adjusted my mind and  got
accustomed *over time*. This behaviour is attributed to the LaTeX/LyX for-
mat  underneath, yet a few tweaks could probably correct this.  Selections
do  not include the structural information that precedes them, e.g.  "Sec-
tion".



For example, say I had a list and I wanted to move the first item to the
bottom.

I either have to:
- place the caret at the first position of the first line, select all the
characters in that line, cut them, move to the bottom, manually add a new
line, then paste the selection. The disadvantage is that the bullet point is
not included in the selection, so if I paste it elsewhere I have to make
sure I prepare a bullet point first.
- alternatively i place the caret at the first position of the first line
and then move back one character (which places the caret at the end of the
line preceeding it)


Or you can just place the cursor there directly.


and then select the characters. This will now include
the bullet point in the selection (which is what I would expect), but the
last end-of-line (well, end of paragraph) is not included, so I still have
to insert that, or select up to the start of the next line or something.


If I select from the end of the preceding entry to the end of the 
entry being moved, when I paste at the new location I get both a new 
bullet and an end-of-paragraph.



I don't know about others that use lyx, but I think that if lyx behaved a
little more like traditional word processors when it came to selections at
the start and end of lines I would be much happier.

I have to say, though, that I love lyx and this is only a suggestion.



I think that committing changes as such would only confuse existing users.
Having said that, I agree that this behaviour, which affects not only bul-
leted lists, is irrational and can deter new LyX users.


Is there actually a "standard" behavior for these sorts of 
operations? I just cobbled together a bullet list in Word Perfect and 
tried moving an entry.  As with LyX, you can't literally include the 
bullet in the selection.  If I place the cursor at the start of an 
entry and cut from there to the end of the line, an empty line (with 
bullet) remains, and after placing the cursor at the insertion point 
I need to hit Enter to get a new bullet before pasting. Personally, I 
prefer LyX's automatic removal of the empty line.


If I cut from the start of the entry to the start of the next entry, 
the empty line is not there, but I still need to hit Enter at the 
insertion point to start a new bullet.


On the other hand, if I cut from the end of the preceding entry to 
the end of the entry that is moving, then I can paste at the 
insertion point and get a new bullet automatically (same as LyX).


I guess I'm not clear on what is "nonstandard" about what LyX is doing.

Paul



I can agree with you, Paul, but what people have become to accept as 'cor-
rect' is not necessarily most helpful. If a user highlights the content of
a  bulletpoint,  he/she probably wants to grab the text as-is, i.e.  as  a
bullet. It is valuable to form some expectation of what the user wishes to
do  next and take the necessary steps (without popping up some doggy or  a
paperclip, of course).

Roy

Re: Suggestion

[Georg Baum]

Am Dienstag, 8. November 2005 17:47 schrieb Roy Schestowitz:

> I  noticed  that too, but never complained. I re-adjusted my mind and  
got
> accustomed *over time*. This behaviour is attributed to the LaTeX/LyX 
for-
> mat  underneath, yet a few tweaks could probably correct this.  
Selections
> do  not include the structural information that precedes them, e.g.  
"Sec-
> tion".

IIRC this will be fixed in the upcoming 1.4.0 release.

Roy and Paul, I did not read your suggestions completely, but they look 
sensible at a frist glance. Please file them an enhancement request at 
http://bugzilla.lyx.org so that they will not be forgotten.


Georg

Re: suggestion about External material

[Angus Leeming]

Gunnar G wrote:

 Hello.
 
 When I use the insert -- External material dialog in a document, I
 usually insert the same kind of material every time through out the
 entire document. I rarely use the Chessdiagram so I must every time
 change it to something else. This is annoying. Could it not be so that
 it remembers what was selected the last time, and show this option
 automatically?

Something like this will happen in 1.4.x.

-- 
Angus

Re: suggestion about External material

[Angus Leeming]

Gunnar G wrote:

 Hello.
 
 When I use the insert -- External material dialog in a document, I
 usually insert the same kind of material every time through out the
 entire document. I rarely use the Chessdiagram so I must every time
 change it to something else. This is annoying. Could it not be so that
 it remembers what was selected the last time, and show this option
 automatically?

Something like this will happen in 1.4.x.

-- 
Angus

Re: suggestion about "External material"

[Angus Leeming]

Gunnar G wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> When I use the "insert" --> "External material" dialog in a document, I
> usually insert the same kind of material every time through out the
> entire document. I rarely use the Chessdiagram so I must every time
> change it to something else. This is annoying. Could it not be so that
> it remembers what was selected the last time, and show this option
> automatically?

Something like this will happen in 1.4.x.

-- 
Angus

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Herbert Voss]

Jade wrote:

I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents. 
It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon 
as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more 
complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little 
hard. 
nonsense,
you are not the first one who wants to right a thesis
Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define 
themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does 
for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/ 
subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?
LaTeX knows by default:
part | chapter | section | subsection | subsubsection |
paragraph | subparagraph
and more is not senseful or do you mean that
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1   looks really nice??
Herbert

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Janus Sandsgaard]

On Wednesday 31 December 2003 00:36, Jade wrote:

 Thanks for making such a nice program !

Yeah. Always great to hear from people, who find their way to LyX. This is the 
ultimate tool for doing academic reports etc.

 I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents.
 It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as
 soon as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little
 more complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a
 little hard.

What do you miss in writing a thesis? Can't you use report og other?

-j

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Re: Suggestion about classes

[Ingar Pareliussen]

 I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents.
 It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon
 as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more
 complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little
 hard.

 Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define
 themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does
 for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/
 subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?

We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. And this is the
hardest bit, most lyx/latex classes have a high typographical standard.
Letting the user shoot him/herself in the (layout-)foot ;-), is probably a
bad ide.

However, if you have lot of time on your hands and really want such a
feature; mail me, I have some ideas how to proceed :-).

If you want to write a thesis use the memoir or the koma-report class. If
you want some fancy fliers use kword. Ot rather use the correct tool for
the task.

If none of the lyx classes fit your need, take a look at:
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/?action=/tex-archive/macros/latex/
and then have a look customization (part 6) in help menu in LyX. If you
need help, just ask the lyx-list.

Ingar

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Herbert Voss]

Ingar Pareliussen wrote:
I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents.
It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon
as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more
complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little
hard.
Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define
themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does
for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/
subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?


We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
no, it is easy, because you have to define it in LaTeX
and then only to add this to the LyX layout file.
complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. And this is the
hardest bit, most lyx/latex classes have a high typographical standard.
Letting the user shoot him/herself in the (layout-)foot ;-), is probably a
bad ide.
I suppose, that you do not really understand the difference
between a LaTeX classfile and a corresponding LyX layout file.
If you want to write a thesis use the memoir or the koma-report class. If
you want some fancy fliers use kword. Ot rather use the correct tool for
the task.
no, he should look for an existing thesis class, there are a lot
of such specific document classes in the net.
Herert

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Ingar Pareliussen]

Dear Herbert,

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Herbert Voss wrote:
  We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
  probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
  to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is

 no, it is easy, because you have to define it in LaTeX
 and then only to add this to the LyX layout file.

Are you advocating changing the layout file, putting LaTeX code in the
layout file instead of changing the LaTeX class file ? Wouldn't that get
very ugly, and difficult to maintain ? I thought it cleaner to make the
classfile and layout file from codesnippets, like makebst makes bst's.

I do see that distributing the file would involve distributing the
classfile as well, which would make a bit more work than only distributing
the LaTeX file. And ofcource no need to run texhash. Is there any more
reasons to not change the LaTeX-class file and put the LaTeX code in the
layout file ?

  complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. And this is the
  hardest bit, most lyx/latex classes have a high typographical standard.
  Letting the user shoot him/herself in the (layout-)foot ;-), is probably a
  bad ide.

 I suppose, that you do not really understand the difference
 between a LaTeX classfile and a corresponding LyX layout file.

I thought I understood them, however, how can I know if I understand them
or not ? I have changed both LaTeX-class files and LyX-layout files, So I
guess I know what they do, but if there are some deeper meaning I might
not have understood them. :-)

Ingar

Re: Suggestion about classes

[James Frye]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Ingar Pareliussen wrote:

 We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
 probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
 to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
 complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. 

Well, we could argue about what constitutes good typography, and whether
Lyx/Latex/Tex actually implements it or just Knuth's tastes, but the only
typographical standards that're relevant to a thesis are the requirements
of your grad school.  If they want (as mine does) a 12-point font,
double-spaced with page numbers in the upper right corner, 1.2 inches from
the top, then that's what you give them.

 However, if you have lot of time on your hands and really want such a
 feature; mail me, I have some ideas how to proceed :-).

Having been through it, I don't think it would be that hard to do most of
the simple stuff - some way to set margins, page number positions, heading
styles, etc - *IF* one had adequate documentation. Most of my time was
actually spent in trial  error, checking out this package or that to see
if it would really do what I needed.  Even some instructions would help.

James

(I've actually been trying to make a template out of mine.  It's pure
latex, not Lyx, but if anyone's interested I could tar it up and send it.  
Maybe next week, depending on how the skiing is...)

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Herbert Voss]

Jade wrote:

I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents. 
It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon 
as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more 
complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little 
hard. 
nonsense,
you are not the first one who wants to right a thesis
Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define 
themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does 
for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/ 
subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?
LaTeX knows by default:
part | chapter | section | subsection | subsubsection |
paragraph | subparagraph
and more is not senseful or do you mean that
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1   looks really nice??
Herbert

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Janus Sandsgaard]

On Wednesday 31 December 2003 00:36, Jade wrote:

 Thanks for making such a nice program !

Yeah. Always great to hear from people, who find their way to LyX. This is the 
ultimate tool for doing academic reports etc.

 I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents.
 It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as
 soon as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little
 more complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a
 little hard.

What do you miss in writing a thesis? Can't you use report og other?

-j

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Re: Suggestion about classes

[Ingar Pareliussen]

 I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents.
 It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon
 as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more
 complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little
 hard.

 Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define
 themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does
 for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/
 subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?

We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. And this is the
hardest bit, most lyx/latex classes have a high typographical standard.
Letting the user shoot him/herself in the (layout-)foot ;-), is probably a
bad ide.

However, if you have lot of time on your hands and really want such a
feature; mail me, I have some ideas how to proceed :-).

If you want to write a thesis use the memoir or the koma-report class. If
you want some fancy fliers use kword. Ot rather use the correct tool for
the task.

If none of the lyx classes fit your need, take a look at:
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/?action=/tex-archive/macros/latex/
and then have a look customization (part 6) in help menu in LyX. If you
need help, just ask the lyx-list.

Ingar

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Herbert Voss]

Ingar Pareliussen wrote:
I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents.
It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon
as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more
complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little
hard.
Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define
themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does
for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/
subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?


We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
no, it is easy, because you have to define it in LaTeX
and then only to add this to the LyX layout file.
complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. And this is the
hardest bit, most lyx/latex classes have a high typographical standard.
Letting the user shoot him/herself in the (layout-)foot ;-), is probably a
bad ide.
I suppose, that you do not really understand the difference
between a LaTeX classfile and a corresponding LyX layout file.
If you want to write a thesis use the memoir or the koma-report class. If
you want some fancy fliers use kword. Ot rather use the correct tool for
the task.
no, he should look for an existing thesis class, there are a lot
of such specific document classes in the net.
Herert

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Ingar Pareliussen]

Dear Herbert,

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Herbert Voss wrote:
  We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
  probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
  to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is

 no, it is easy, because you have to define it in LaTeX
 and then only to add this to the LyX layout file.

Are you advocating changing the layout file, putting LaTeX code in the
layout file instead of changing the LaTeX class file ? Wouldn't that get
very ugly, and difficult to maintain ? I thought it cleaner to make the
classfile and layout file from codesnippets, like makebst makes bst's.

I do see that distributing the file would involve distributing the
classfile as well, which would make a bit more work than only distributing
the LaTeX file. And ofcource no need to run texhash. Is there any more
reasons to not change the LaTeX-class file and put the LaTeX code in the
layout file ?

  complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. And this is the
  hardest bit, most lyx/latex classes have a high typographical standard.
  Letting the user shoot him/herself in the (layout-)foot ;-), is probably a
  bad ide.

 I suppose, that you do not really understand the difference
 between a LaTeX classfile and a corresponding LyX layout file.

I thought I understood them, however, how can I know if I understand them
or not ? I have changed both LaTeX-class files and LyX-layout files, So I
guess I know what they do, but if there are some deeper meaning I might
not have understood them. :-)

Ingar

Re: Suggestion about classes

[James Frye]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Ingar Pareliussen wrote:

 We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
 probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
 to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
 complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. 

Well, we could argue about what constitutes good typography, and whether
Lyx/Latex/Tex actually implements it or just Knuth's tastes, but the only
typographical standards that're relevant to a thesis are the requirements
of your grad school.  If they want (as mine does) a 12-point font,
double-spaced with page numbers in the upper right corner, 1.2 inches from
the top, then that's what you give them.

 However, if you have lot of time on your hands and really want such a
 feature; mail me, I have some ideas how to proceed :-).

Having been through it, I don't think it would be that hard to do most of
the simple stuff - some way to set margins, page number positions, heading
styles, etc - *IF* one had adequate documentation. Most of my time was
actually spent in trial  error, checking out this package or that to see
if it would really do what I needed.  Even some instructions would help.

James

(I've actually been trying to make a template out of mine.  It's pure
latex, not Lyx, but if anyone's interested I could tar it up and send it.  
Maybe next week, depending on how the skiing is...)

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Herbert Voss]

Jade wrote:

I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents. 
It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon 
as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more 
complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little 
hard. 
nonsense,
you are not the first one who wants to right a thesis
Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define 
themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does 
for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/ 
subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?
LaTeX knows by default:
part | chapter | section | subsection | subsubsection |
paragraph | subparagraph
and more is not senseful or do you mean that
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1   looks really nice??
Herbert

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Janus Sandsgaard]

On Wednesday 31 December 2003 00:36, Jade wrote:

> Thanks for making such a nice program !

Yeah. Always great to hear from people, who find their way to LyX. This is the 
ultimate tool for doing academic reports etc.

> I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents.
> It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as
> soon as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little
> more complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a
> little hard.

What do you miss in writing a thesis? Can't you use "report" og other?

-j

-- 
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Re: Suggestion about classes

[Ingar Pareliussen]

> I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents.
> It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon
> as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more
> complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little
> hard.
>
> Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define
> themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does
> for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/
> subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?

We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. And this is the
hardest bit, most lyx/latex classes have a high typographical standard.
Letting the user shoot him/herself in the (layout-)foot ;-), is probably a
bad ide.

However, if you have lot of time on your hands and really want such a
feature; mail me, I have some ideas how to proceed :-).

If you want to write a thesis use the memoir or the koma-report class. If
you want some fancy fliers use kword. Ot rather use the correct tool for
the task.

If none of the lyx classes fit your need, take a look at:
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/?action=/tex-archive/macros/latex/
and then have a look customization (part 6) in help menu in LyX. If you
need help, just ask the lyx-list.

Ingar

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Herbert Voss]

Ingar Pareliussen wrote:
I think Lyx lacks classes in order to make different kinds of documents.
It's very easy to make an article, a book or whaterver you want, but as soon
as you want to make somthing else (eg : a thesis, ...), it's a little more
complicated and if you are not a programer or a Latex user, it's a little
hard.
Would it be hard to propose a system that would allow users to define
themselves the classes they want, in a simple way (eg : like OpenOffice does
for exemple, so I could define 9 parts/ chapters/ titles/ sections/
subsections/ subsubsection/ subsubsubsubsection and so on...) ?


We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
no, it is easy, because you have to define it in LaTeX
and then only to add this to the LyX layout file.
complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. And this is the
hardest bit, most lyx/latex classes have a high typographical standard.
Letting the user shoot him/herself in the (layout-)foot ;-), is probably a
bad ide.
I suppose, that you do not really understand the difference
between a LaTeX classfile and a corresponding LyX layout file.
If you want to write a thesis use the memoir or the koma-report class. If
you want some fancy fliers use kword. Ot rather use the correct tool for
the task.
no, he should look for an existing thesis class, there are a lot
of such specific document classes in the net.
Herert

Re: Suggestion about classes

[Ingar Pareliussen]

Dear Herbert,

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Herbert Voss wrote:
> > We have discussed such a system earlier, and to put it bluntly, it is
> > probably never going to happen. It is not impossible, but it is very hard
> > to do. First it needs to construct the latex and lyx class files, which is
>
> no, it is easy, because you have to define it in LaTeX
> and then only to add this to the LyX layout file.

Are you advocating changing the layout file, putting LaTeX code in the
layout file instead of changing the LaTeX class file ? Wouldn't that get
very ugly, and difficult to maintain ? I thought it cleaner to make the
classfile and layout file from "codesnippets", like makebst makes bst's.

I do see that distributing the file would involve distributing the
classfile as well, which would make a bit more work than only distributing
the LaTeX file. And ofcource no need to run texhash. Is there any more
reasons to not change the LaTeX-class file and put the LaTeX code in the
layout file ?

> > complicated. It then needs to advocate good layout. And this is the
> > hardest bit, most lyx/latex classes have a high typographical standard.
> > Letting the user shoot him/herself in the (layout-)foot ;-), is probably a
> > bad ide.
>
> I suppose, that you do not really understand the difference
> between a LaTeX classfile and a corresponding LyX layout file.

I thought I understood them, however, how can I know if I understand them
or not ? I have changed both LaTeX-class files and LyX-layout files, So I
guess I know what they do, but if there are some deeper meaning I might
not have understood them. :-)

Ingar