Re: availability of qpxmath (was 'Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)')
On 2010-11-26, Liviu Andronic wrote: > (reviving an old discussion, again) > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Guenter Milde wrote: >> qpxmath >> pxfonts Pagella Pagella txfonts* txfonts* txfonts* pxfonts yes > Why is qpxmath so hard to grab? Most probably, because it is said to be an experimental package by its authors. > It is as if it is part of TeXLive by > some fortunate coincidence in package texlive-lang-polish. I installed it via the texlive-lang-polish Debian package. > While for Miktex, on Windows, I haven't yet found a way to install it > (through the package manager). > Any ideas how to do this? Unfortunately not (I don't run Windows). Günter
availability of qpxmath (was 'Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)')
(reviving an old discussion, again) On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Guenter Milde wrote: > qpxmath > pxfonts Pagella Pagella txfonts* txfonts* txfonts* pxfonts yes > Why is qpxmath so hard to grab? It is as if it is part of TeXLive by some fortunate coincidence in package texlive-lang-polish. While for Miktex, on Windows, I haven't yet found a way to install it (through the package manager). Any ideas how to do this? Regards Liviu
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
On 2010-09-25, Liviu Andronic wrote: > (an old subject) > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Julio Rojas wrote: >> But qpx seems a rather old package, compared to mathpazo. Isn't it a >> little dated? > At least on my document qpxmath (hence, pxfonts) catches more math > symbols than mathpazo, which takes several replacements from CM. According to the "Free Math Font Survey", mathpazo takes all non-alphanumeric symbols from CM (which is not a good match). = = === === Paket Text GreekCM-sym AMS symbols Calligr Blkbdbold = = === === mathpazo Palatino pazo cm ams cm pazo yes pxfonts Palatino \* txfonts*txfonts*txfonts* pxfonts yes = = === === and qpxmath pxfonts Pagella Pagella txfonts*txfonts*txfonts* pxfonts yes Günter
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
(an old subject) On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Julio Rojas wrote: > But qpx seems a rather old package, compared to mathpazo. Isn't it a > little dated? > At least on my document qpxmath (hence, pxfonts) catches more math symbols than mathpazo, which takes several replacements from CM. Regards Liviu
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
BTW, all interested parties can check: ftp://ftp.tug.ctan.org/hefferon/tug2009/gyre.pdf - Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Julio Rojas wrote: > But qpx seems a rather old package, compared to mathpazo. Isn't it a > little dated? > - > Julio Rojas > jcredbe...@gmail.com > > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Guenter Milde wrote: >> qpxmath >
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
But qpx seems a rather old package, compared to mathpazo. Isn't it a little dated? - Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Guenter Milde wrote: > qpxmath
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
On 2010-08-12, Julio Rojas wrote: > I have created a sample document with math included and tgpagella > doesn't render math environments. At the end, I had to use: > \usepackage{mathpazo,tgpagella} > In order to have have mathpazo characters in math environments. You can also try {qpxmath,tgpagella} (where qpxmath is Pagellas own math extension from times where it still was called Quasi-Palatino). > Tgpagella seems to be narrower, but not by much. It saves some space > but this is far from dramatic. Pagella should be identic in the base characters but e.g. the small caps differ (although both, Pagella and mathpazo, provide *true* small caps). Günter
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
Syntax is a beautiful typeface, but in my experience the digital implementation looks nothing like the specimen in Bringhurst. For a thesis, I would recommend exclusive use of MinionPro. Headlines can be done in all caps and small caps, or in bold. Math symbols and Greek are included. Works very well with \usepackage{microtype}. Eran As a big fan of Robert Bringhurst's book The Elements of Typographic Style, I will follow him and suggest the sanserif typeface Syntax, designed by Hans Eduard Meier. Unlike most sanserifs, it is based on Renaissance forms like Garamond, as is Palatino. An illustration in his book shows how good it looks with Minion. Bruce
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
Of course, nothing is perfect. I had an error while loading mnsymbol. I'll create a new thread for this problem. - Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Julio Rojas wrote: > OMG!!! I just installed MinionPro and though I expended one hour, it > was completely worthwhile... Astonishingly beautiful. > - > Julio Rojas > jcredbe...@gmail.com > > > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Julio Rojas wrote: >> It really looks nice!!! Do anybody know how to install it in MikTeX? >> It doesn't appear in the package manager, or at least it doesn't if >> called "syntax". >> - >> Julio Rojas >> jcredbe...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Bruce Pourciau >> wrote: >>> Hans Eduard Meier >> >
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
OMG!!! I just installed MinionPro and though I expended one hour, it was completely worthwhile... Astonishingly beautiful. - Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Julio Rojas wrote: > It really looks nice!!! Do anybody know how to install it in MikTeX? > It doesn't appear in the package manager, or at least it doesn't if > called "syntax". > - > Julio Rojas > jcredbe...@gmail.com > > > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Bruce Pourciau > wrote: >> Hans Eduard Meier >
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
It really looks nice!!! Do anybody know how to install it in MikTeX? It doesn't appear in the package manager, or at least it doesn't if called "syntax". - Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Bruce Pourciau wrote: > Hans Eduard Meier
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
On Aug 11, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Rob Oakes wrote: The letter forms of Palatino may be the most refined ever created. But, I've never really been able to find a sans-serif and mono-spaced font that matches well. (At least not per my aesthetic taste.) For that reason, I don't use it often. As a big fan of Robert Bringhurst's book The Elements of Typographic Style, I will follow him and suggest the sanserif typeface Syntax, designed by Hans Eduard Meier. Unlike most sanserifs, it is based on Renaissance forms like Garamond, as is Palatino. An illustration in his book shows how good it looks with Minion. Bruce
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
I have created a sample document with math included and tgpagella doesn't render math environments. At the end, I had to use: \usepackage{mathpazo,tgpagella} In order to have have mathpazo characters in math environments. Tgpagella seems to be narrower, but not by much. It saves some space but this is far from dramatic. - Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:30:27 +0200 > Julio Rojas wrote: >> BTW, I have tried using tgpagella and mathpazo in one document, but >> saw no differences. Are there any? I use quite a lot of math, but the >> document I'm trying with is just text. >> > As far as I remember Pagella is more complete than Palladio/Palatino > and in some cases will avoid replacements from CM or similar. > Liviu >
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:30:27 +0200 Julio Rojas wrote: > BTW, I have tried using tgpagella and mathpazo in one document, but > saw no differences. Are there any? I use quite a lot of math, but the > document I'm trying with is just text. > As far as I remember Pagella is more complete than Palladio/Palatino and in some cases will avoid replacements from CM or similar. Liviu
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
BTW, I have tried using tgpagella and mathpazo in one document, but saw no differences. Are there any? I use quite a lot of math, but the document I'm trying with is just text. Best regards. - Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > Hello Rob > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:31:06 -0600 > Rob Oakes wrote: >> The letter forms of Palatino may be the most refined ever created. >> But, I've never really been able to find a sans-serif and mono-spaced >> font that matches well. (At least not per my aesthetic taste.) For >> that reason, I don't use it often. A good designer friend says that >> Univers (or if you really need to go there, Helvetica) are >> appropriate pairings. I think he consumed too many magic mushrooms >> in his youth. (I actually agree with the Univers pairing. It offers >> good typographical contrast and the final effect really is quite >> nice, just not for really long texts.) >> > I'm very curious, have you tried to pair Palatino with Optima? > To me it looks as if they were designed with the same eye (literary > true, since they were both created by Hermann Zapf). In my documents I > use > \usepackage{tgpagella} > \renewcommand*\sfdefault{uop} > > and while Optima is not installed by default, > it's easy to get it into TeXLive 07 [1]. I never liked Palatino > with Helvetica, but I'll experiment with Univers. > > As for the Sweave > (monospace) part, I change the default in "verbatim" to > "fontfamily=courier", which tends to be a shade of grey and thus to set > apart the code from the rest of the text (at least the way I > perceive it). > > Should you have an opinion on the Palatino and Optima combination, > please let us know. > Liviu > > PS To continue the non-essential rant department, I also include package > microtype in my preamble, although I am not yet sure what's its net > impact on my documents. > > [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg77584.html >
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
Hello Rob On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:31:06 -0600 Rob Oakes wrote: > The letter forms of Palatino may be the most refined ever created. > But, I've never really been able to find a sans-serif and mono-spaced > font that matches well. (At least not per my aesthetic taste.) For > that reason, I don't use it often. A good designer friend says that > Univers (or if you really need to go there, Helvetica) are > appropriate pairings. I think he consumed too many magic mushrooms > in his youth. (I actually agree with the Univers pairing. It offers > good typographical contrast and the final effect really is quite > nice, just not for really long texts.) > I'm very curious, have you tried to pair Palatino with Optima? To me it looks as if they were designed with the same eye (literary true, since they were both created by Hermann Zapf). In my documents I use \usepackage{tgpagella} \renewcommand*\sfdefault{uop} and while Optima is not installed by default, it's easy to get it into TeXLive 07 [1]. I never liked Palatino with Helvetica, but I'll experiment with Univers. As for the Sweave (monospace) part, I change the default in "verbatim" to "fontfamily=courier", which tends to be a shade of grey and thus to set apart the code from the rest of the text (at least the way I perceive it). Should you have an opinion on the Palatino and Optima combination, please let us know. Liviu PS To continue the non-essential rant department, I also include package microtype in my preamble, although I am not yet sure what's its net impact on my documents. [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg77584.html
Re: lyx: Font derail (with semi-related ranting)
Hi Morten, << Since this discussion is turning to matters of taste, what do you think about the font choices? The default font is obviously dated, if elegant. What do you people use? >> Take care with calling Computer Modern dated. I personally don't like it, but a lot of people do. I'd use stronger language -- such as calling it rigid, pompous or and ghastly -- but that got me in trouble last time. So I'll refrain. There's no reason to start forest unnecessary forest fires.) It works very nicely for mathematics and it has a cult following. Beside, fonts never really become "dated". Look at Helvetica, or Gill Sans. They've been around for 60 and 80 years, respectively, and are not going anywhere. Helvetica is everywhere and Gill Sans is (more or less) the default Sans Serif for Mac computers. Not bad for old timers. As far as my personal preferences go, I'm a big fan of Minion and Myriad Pro fonts. I use Minion for body text and Myriad as a sans serif. I haven't quite found a mono spaced font that I like. Yet. Courier Std works in a pinch. (If anyone has any other ideas, I would love to hear them.) I leave Latin Modern for math. Customizing math fonts in xelatex is a pain that no one should suffer willingly, so I don't bother. Regarding files, I use the OpenType variants available with xelatex. There is also a MinionPro package that can be used with other tex variants (http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/minionpro/MinionPro.pdf). It will even customize the math fonts for you. Re: Palatino. I absolutely love Palatino and second Liviu's recommendations. The letter forms of Palatino may be the most refined ever created. But, I've never really been able to find a sans-serif and mono-spaced font that matches well. (At least not per my aesthetic taste.) For that reason, I don't use it often. A good designer friend says that Univers (or if you really need to go there, Helvetica) are appropriate pairings. I think he consumed too many magic mushrooms in his youth. (I actually agree with the Univers pairing. It offers good typographical contrast and the final effect really is quite nice, just not for really long texts.) Re: Margins and Details If you're using Minion, be sure to set appropriate margins. Minion is slightly narrower than Palatino and related fonts, and your margins should be adjusted accordingly. Re: General Advice However ... I'd worry about fonts and appearance until the end. The choice of font should complement the subject of your thesis, and it is usually impossible to choose before it has been written. Book design follows the writing of the book, not before. (I'm speaking from experience, rather than trying to be preachy. I've been working on a book about Open Source writing and I've wasted inordinate amounts of time fretting about fonts, margins, and headings. This is why authors should also not be their own book designers.) With the disclaimer, I would start looking at every book you see. Spend time in the bookstore browsing titles that are similar to your thesis and look at how they lay things out. In the frontmatter, it will usually say who designed the book and what typefaces were used. If you find a pairing that you really like, by all means, steal it. There is no reason to re-invent wheels if you don't have to. Also, note how wide the margins are and whether they use fully justified text, or ragged right. (These things really do matter, a lot. Designer types have done lots of research about these things.) With all that said, the default package pairings in LaTeX are really quite good. Consider using one of those. The LaTeX companion has an overview and I would highly recommend you take a look. Just wait until you are finished, though, and know what type of effect you want to achieve. It will save you hours of tinkering. For working drafts, use Latin Modern. Cheers, Rob