Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-08-09 Thread Michael Brown
Great
Then in the HW divison all you need to do is add the uio-generic / hm2-uio 
ip core in qsys at address 0x0004_.
And then the hm2 qip (include) file wire things up and add the config stuff.

If you are working in verilog / systemverilog I made an intermediary 
upgrade of the original DE0_NANO_GHRD project adding the new firmware id 
stuff and made docker compilable before morphing it into an experimental 
CRAMPS I/O based version:

I suggest using that commit as template for adding your new (renamed) 
DE10-NANO project to MK mksocfpga @ github:


https://github.com/the-snowwhite/mksocfpga/tree/fca882b8bc25ff2e2e81b4a0979ee2c6bf7c041e/HW/QuartusProjects/DE0_Nano_SoC_Cramps

On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 18:32:05 UTC+2, mugginsac wrote:
>
> I got a USB OTG cable from Digikey and I am now able to boot the DE10-Nano 
> with an HDMI monitor, keyboard and mouse.
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, mugginsac wrote:
>>
>> Charles,
>>
>> I understand how ignoring HDMI to start may be easier, however, the 
>> reason that I bought the DE10 instead of the DE0 is the HDMI. :-(
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 4:01:07 AM UTC-7, Charles Steinkuehler 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, it would be much easier to load a single FPGA image via U-Boot 
>>> rather than deal with partial reconfiguration. 
>>>
>>> I was planning on just ignoring the HDMI to start.  :) 
>>>
>>> On 8/7/2017 11:05 PM, Michael Brown wrote: 
>>> > BTW 
>>> > It may be possible to boot configuring the fpga from u-boot with 
>>> framebuffer and 
>>> > hm2 cores and then start machinekit hm2_soc_ol driver without 
>>> firmware=xxx.dtbo 
>>> > for easy DE10-Nano fb startup. (uio driver then needs a uio entty in 
>>> dts also to 
>>> > load). 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-08-08 Thread mugginsac
I got a USB OTG cable from Digikey and I am now able to boot the DE10-Nano 
with an HDMI monitor, keyboard and mouse.

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, mugginsac wrote:
>
> Charles,
>
> I understand how ignoring HDMI to start may be easier, however, the reason 
> that I bought the DE10 instead of the DE0 is the HDMI. :-(
>
> Alan
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 4:01:07 AM UTC-7, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it would be much easier to load a single FPGA image via U-Boot 
>> rather than deal with partial reconfiguration. 
>>
>> I was planning on just ignoring the HDMI to start.  :) 
>>
>> On 8/7/2017 11:05 PM, Michael Brown wrote: 
>> > BTW 
>> > It may be possible to boot configuring the fpga from u-boot with 
>> framebuffer and 
>> > hm2 cores and then start machinekit hm2_soc_ol driver without 
>> firmware=xxx.dtbo 
>> > for easy DE10-Nano fb startup. (uio driver then needs a uio entty in 
>> dts also to 
>> > load). 
>> > 
>> > 
>>
>>

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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-08-08 Thread mugginsac
Charles,

I understand how ignoring HDMI to start may be easier, however, the reason 
that I bought the DE10 instead of the DE0 is the HDMI. :-(

Alan

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 4:01:07 AM UTC-7, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
>
> Yes, it would be much easier to load a single FPGA image via U-Boot 
> rather than deal with partial reconfiguration. 
>
> I was planning on just ignoring the HDMI to start.  :) 
>
> On 8/7/2017 11:05 PM, Michael Brown wrote: 
> > BTW 
> > It may be possible to boot configuring the fpga from u-boot with 
> framebuffer and 
> > hm2 cores and then start machinekit hm2_soc_ol driver without 
> firmware=xxx.dtbo 
> > for easy DE10-Nano fb startup. (uio driver then needs a uio entty in dts 
> also to 
> > load). 
> > 
> > 
>
>

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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-08-08 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
Yes, it would be much easier to load a single FPGA image via U-Boot
rather than deal with partial reconfiguration.

I was planning on just ignoring the HDMI to start.  :)

On 8/7/2017 11:05 PM, Michael Brown wrote:
> BTW
> It may be possible to boot configuring the fpga from u-boot with framebuffer 
> and 
> hm2 cores and then start machinekit hm2_soc_ol driver without 
> firmware=xxx.dtbo 
> for easy DE10-Nano fb startup. (uio driver then needs a uio entty in dts also 
> to 
> load).
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 00:40:22 UTC+2, Michael Brown wrote:
> 
> I would like to insert some notes from my own experiments with the DE10 
> Nano:
> 
> I you use the terasic supplied reference project as base you will need to
> customize the device tree --> dtb
> as the qsys system uses different addresses / bridges for the fpga ip 
> cores.
> 
> they can boot with identical u-boot and root file system. (without hdmi,
> piece of cake...)
> 
> If you want to use the hdmi as local xserver xorg based display things 
> get a
> bit more intrigant:
> To be able to use the alt_vip fb core + alt_vipfb.c driver (which keeps
> pooping in and out of the kernel, and also has been obsoleted after 
> quartus
> v.16.1).
> You have to program the fpga from uboot with at least the alt_vip
> framebuffer qsys core and also have it in the devicetree so the the kernel
> is ale to pick it up and initialize it when it boot. (also remember to 
> make
> sure the bridges are offhanded by uboot before starting the kernel, if you
> keep getting a blank screen after boot and /dev/fb0 is there).
> 
> THe intrigant part is then that when machinekit reloads the fpga chances 
> are
> the framebuffer may go haywire, so the most elegant solution would be to
> create a partitioned 2 rev design with one containing only the qsys 
> system +
> a rev 2 containing also the mesa hdl hostmot2 stuff behind a bridge.
> 
> This can the be loaded via a partial reconfiguration .dtbo much like the
> ones currently used except that is does not reconfigure the whole fpga but
> only adds / replaces the Mk Hostmot2 mesa cores.
> ---
> I hope this is clear and understandable
> ---
> I am atm tied up in finishing adding commits for a cramps based atlas soc
> version with functional adc and some more to MK, before I can turn more
> focus to DE10.NANO, for now I can only point towards my own socfpga
> build-scripts on the-snowwhite@github which also contains all the elements
> needed for generating a stretch image with hdmi and 4.9-rt kernet
> framebuffer rootfs, u-boot etc initially made to create the first working
> mksocfpga demo.
> 
> Best Wishes Michael
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, 5 August 2017 18:41:08 UTC+2, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
> 
> Since there seems to be interest, I've gone ahead and ordered a
> DE10-Nano so I can do real-world tests.
> 
> I don't have lots of free time right now, but I ought to at least be
> able to help get a bootable uSD card image generated (if no one beats
> me to it) and migrate the DE0 project for the hostmot2 VHDL code to
> the DE10.
> 
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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-08-07 Thread Michael Brown
BTW
It may be possible to boot configuring the fpga from u-boot with 
framebuffer and hm2 cores and then start machinekit hm2_soc_ol driver 
without firmware=xxx.dtbo for easy DE10-Nano fb startup. (uio driver then 
needs a uio entty in dts also to load).
 

On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 00:40:22 UTC+2, Michael Brown wrote:
>
> I would like to insert some notes from my own experiments with the DE10 
> Nano:
>
> I you use the terasic supplied reference project as base you will need to 
> customize the device tree --> dtb
> as the qsys system uses different addresses / bridges for the fpga ip 
> cores.
>
> they can boot with identical u-boot and root file system. (without hdmi, 
> piece of cake...)
>
> If you want to use the hdmi as local xserver xorg based display things get 
> a bit more intrigant:
> To be able to use the alt_vip fb core + alt_vipfb.c driver (which keeps 
> pooping in and out of the kernel, and also has been obsoleted after quartus 
> v.16.1).
> You have to program the fpga from uboot with at least the alt_vip 
> framebuffer qsys core and also have it in the devicetree so the the kernel 
> is ale to pick it up and initialize it when it boot. (also remember to make 
> sure the bridges are offhanded by uboot before starting the kernel, if you 
> keep getting a blank screen after boot and /dev/fb0 is there).
>
> THe intrigant part is then that when machinekit reloads the fpga chances 
> are the framebuffer may go haywire, so the most elegant solution would be 
> to create a partitioned 2 rev design with one containing only the qsys 
> system + a rev 2 containing also the mesa hdl hostmot2 stuff behind a 
> bridge.
>
> This can the be loaded via a partial reconfiguration .dtbo much like the 
> ones currently used except that is does not reconfigure the whole fpga but 
> only adds / replaces the Mk Hostmot2 mesa cores.
> ---
> I hope this is clear and understandable
> ---
> I am atm tied up in finishing adding commits for a cramps based atlas soc 
> version with functional adc and some more to MK, before I can turn more 
> focus to DE10.NANO, for now I can only point towards my own socfpga 
> build-scripts on the-snowwhite@github which also contains all the elements 
> needed for generating a stretch image with hdmi and 4.9-rt kernet 
> framebuffer rootfs, u-boot etc initially made to create the first working 
> mksocfpga demo. 
>
> Best Wishes Michael
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 5 August 2017 18:41:08 UTC+2, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
>>
>> Since there seems to be interest, I've gone ahead and ordered a 
>> DE10-Nano so I can do real-world tests. 
>>
>> I don't have lots of free time right now, but I ought to at least be 
>> able to help get a bootable uSD card image generated (if no one beats 
>> me to it) and migrate the DE0 project for the hostmot2 VHDL code to 
>> the DE10. 
>>
>> -- 
>> Charles Steinkuehler 
>> cha...@steinkuehler.net 
>>
>

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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-08-07 Thread Michael Brown
I would like to insert some notes from my own experiments with the DE10 
Nano:

I you use the terasic supplied reference project as base you will need to 
customize the device tree --> dtb
as the qsys system uses different addresses / bridges for the fpga ip cores.

they can boot with identical u-boot and root file system. (without hdmi, 
piece of cake...)

If you want to use the hdmi as local xserver xorg based display things get 
a bit more intrigant:
To be able to use the alt_vip fb core + alt_vipfb.c driver (which keeps 
pooping in and out of the kernel, and also has been obsoleted after quartus 
v.16.1).
You have to program the fpga from uboot with at least the alt_vip 
framebuffer qsys core and also have it in the devicetree so the the kernel 
is ale to pick it up and initialize it when it boot. (also remember to make 
sure the bridges are offhanded by uboot before starting the kernel, if you 
keep getting a blank screen after boot and /dev/fb0 is there).

THe intrigant part is then that when machinekit reloads the fpga chances 
are the framebuffer may go haywire, so the most elegant solution would be 
to create a partitioned 2 rev design with one containing only the qsys 
system + a rev 2 containing also the mesa hdl hostmot2 stuff behind a 
bridge.

This can the be loaded via a partial reconfiguration .dtbo much like the 
ones currently used except that is does not reconfigure the whole fpga but 
only adds / replaces the Mk Hostmot2 mesa cores.
---
I hope this is clear and understandable
---
I am atm tied up in finishing adding commits for a cramps based atlas soc 
version with functional adc and some more to MK, before I can turn more 
focus to DE10.NANO, for now I can only point towards my own socfpga 
build-scripts on the-snowwhite@github which also contains all the elements 
needed for generating a stretch image with hdmi and 4.9-rt kernet 
framebuffer rootfs, u-boot etc initially made to create the first working 
mksocfpga demo. 

Best Wishes Michael



On Saturday, 5 August 2017 18:41:08 UTC+2, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
>
> Since there seems to be interest, I've gone ahead and ordered a 
> DE10-Nano so I can do real-world tests. 
>
> I don't have lots of free time right now, but I ought to at least be 
> able to help get a bootable uSD card image generated (if no one beats 
> me to it) and migrate the DE0 project for the hostmot2 VHDL code to 
> the DE10. 
>
> -- 
> Charles Steinkuehler 
> cha...@steinkuehler.net  
>

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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-08-05 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
Since there seems to be interest, I've gone ahead and ordered a
DE10-Nano so I can do real-world tests.

I don't have lots of free time right now, but I ought to at least be
able to help get a bootable uSD card image generated (if no one beats
me to it) and migrate the DE0 project for the hostmot2 VHDL code to
the DE10.

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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-08-05 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
On 8/4/2017 6:51 PM, mugginsac wrote:
> 
> So I have to figure out how to build a RT kernel for the DE10-nano. So I 
> guess 
> the first step is to figure out what the differences are between the kernel 
> for 
> DE0-Nano-SOC and the kernel for DE10-Nano. Also what do I need to download to 
> my 
> machine to start the process.

Unlike x86, there are no "strange" filesystem requirements for ARM
booting (that's all handled by U-Boot), so you can just rsync any
appropriate root filesystem onto your uSD (or eMMC, or whatever).

If you don't specifically need to recompile U-Boot or the kernel, you
can simply use these as-is from any example image for the DE10 and
just replace the rootfs.  This may be helpful to get started, even if
the kernel isn't patched with PREEMPT_RT (you can update the kernel
later once you have a working system).

If you want to build from source, there are lots of differing
instructions which makes things confusing.  There are Angstrom bitbake
recipes, Altera custom Makefiles, and various other instructions
floating around.  I usually build a kernel following the "Building
Kernel & U-Boot Separately From Git Trees", which is page 4 of the
"Compiling Linux" documentation for the GSRD.  One example (make sure
to click over to #4):

https://rocketboards.org/foswiki/Documentation/GSRD160CompilingLinuxArrowSoCKitEdition

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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-08-04 Thread mugginsac
OK, I got a new 1TB hard disk for my D525MW board, installed Debian Stretch 
and the associated development software. I have ordered three of the DB25 
boards that Charles designed. 

I tried to follow the instructions from Robert Nelson's socfpga-kernel-dev 
page on eewiki. I got down to the stuff on u-boot and blew up on the "make 
ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=${CC} socfpga_de0_nano_soc_defconfig" command.

So I have to figure out how to build a RT kernel for the DE10-nano. So I 
guess the first step is to figure out what the differences are between the 
kernel for DE0-Nano-SOC and the kernel for DE10-Nano. Also what do I need 
to download to my machine to start the process.

Alan

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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-07-31 Thread Condit Alan
Charles,

The DE10 won’t boot from the DE0-Nano-SOC MachineKit image. I need to get an 
adapter for USB female to Micro male (or USB OTG) so I can plug in my powered 
USB hub or at the very least a USB keyboard with built in touch pad.  

I guess I will try to set up so I can compile on the DE10-nano. The only linux 
box I have in the house is an i386 and the current cross compiler only runs 
64bit mode.

I may be able to use the 386 box to run linuxcnc in the shop and bring the 
D525MW inside to set up a cross compile environment but the D525MW only has a 
32gb SSD at the moment.

Alan

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Charles Steinkuehler  
> wrote:
> 
> The DE0-Nano image will /probably/ boot on the DE10, but the FPGA will
> not be programmed.  If the DE10 doesn't boot, the issue is almost
> certainly the kernel and/or device tree.  If you use the kernel and
> device tree from the DE10 image on a DE0 image you ought to be able to
> boot with the DE0 uSD.
> 
> Basically, it looks like the DE10 is the DE0 with a larger FPGA and an
> HDMI output...
> 
> ...and all of the Cyclone-V SoC+FPGA parts share the same ARM hard
> processor side, so the kernel/device-tree will be mostly identical for
> things like Ethernet, uSD, flash, SDRAM, etc. as long as the boards
> are not too dramatically different.
> 
> On 7/30/2017 6:07 PM, mugginsac wrote:
>> Charles,
>> 
>> OK, I got my DE10-nano. So let me ask another question, will the 
>> DE0-Nano-Soc 
>> MachineKit image boot on the DE10-Nano board (as a starting point for doing 
>> the 
>> implementation)? Or do I need to start with the DE10-Nano image from Terasic?
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 9:21:19 AM UTC-7, mugginsac wrote:
>> 
>>I placed the order for a DE10-Nano.
>>Alan
>> 
>>On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 2:15:29 PM UTC-7, Charles Steinkuehler 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>I'll try to carve out some time to get an FPGA project setup for the
>>DE10-nano, unless someone else feels up to the task.
>> 
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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-07-30 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
The DE0-Nano image will /probably/ boot on the DE10, but the FPGA will
not be programmed.  If the DE10 doesn't boot, the issue is almost
certainly the kernel and/or device tree.  If you use the kernel and
device tree from the DE10 image on a DE0 image you ought to be able to
boot with the DE0 uSD.

Basically, it looks like the DE10 is the DE0 with a larger FPGA and an
HDMI output...

...and all of the Cyclone-V SoC+FPGA parts share the same ARM hard
processor side, so the kernel/device-tree will be mostly identical for
things like Ethernet, uSD, flash, SDRAM, etc. as long as the boards
are not too dramatically different.

On 7/30/2017 6:07 PM, mugginsac wrote:
> Charles,
> 
> OK, I got my DE10-nano. So let me ask another question, will the DE0-Nano-Soc 
> MachineKit image boot on the DE10-Nano board (as a starting point for doing 
> the 
> implementation)? Or do I need to start with the DE10-Nano image from Terasic?
> 
> Alan
> 
> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 9:21:19 AM UTC-7, mugginsac wrote:
> 
> I placed the order for a DE10-Nano.
> Alan
> 
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 2:15:29 PM UTC-7, Charles Steinkuehler 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'll try to carve out some time to get an FPGA project setup for the
> DE10-nano, unless someone else feels up to the task.
> 
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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-07-30 Thread mugginsac
Charles,

OK, I got my DE10-nano. So let me ask another question, will the 
DE0-Nano-Soc MachineKit image boot on the DE10-Nano board (as a starting 
point for doing the implementation)? Or do I need to start with the 
DE10-Nano image from Terasic?

Alan

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 9:21:19 AM UTC-7, mugginsac wrote:
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> I placed the order for a DE10-Nano.
> Alan
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 2:15:29 PM UTC-7, Charles Steinkuehler 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'll try to carve out some time to get an FPGA project setup for the 
>> DE10-nano, unless someone else feels up to the task. 
>>
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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-07-27 Thread mugginsac
I placed the order for a DE10-Nano.
Alan

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>
> I'll try to carve out some time to get an FPGA project setup for the 
> DE10-nano, unless someone else feels up to the task. 
>
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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-07-26 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
On 7/26/2017 10:31 AM, mugginsac wrote:
> 
> Bas and Charles,
> 
> I think I will go ahead and order the DE10-Nano instead of the DE0-Nano also.

I'll try to carve out some time to get an FPGA project setup for the
DE10-nano, unless someone else feels up to the task.

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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-07-26 Thread mugginsac
On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 1:28:47 PM UTC-7, Bas de Bruijn wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 24 Jul 2017, at 20:56, Charles Steinkuehler  > wrote: 
> > 
> >> On 7/24/2017 1:18 PM, mugginsac wrote: 
> >> I just wondered if the machinekit image for a DE0-Nano-SOC board will 
> run on a 
> >> DE10-Nano? 
> > 
> > No. 
> > 
> > You'll need to import the pinout and HPS (Qsys) files from one of the 
> > DE10 example projects (or otherwise modify things for the DE10 vs. 
> > DE0) and recompile. 
> > 
> > Is anyone using or looking to use a DE10?  I don't (yet) have a DE10, 
> > but I can try to setup a project and get bitfiles created if there's 
> > enough interest and someone is willing to test. 
>
> Funny, was just wondering about this myself today. I'd be willing to 
> purchase a board and test if you start on such a thing. 
>
 
Bas and Charles,

I think I will go ahead and order the DE10-Nano instead of the DE0-Nano 
also.

Alan

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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-07-24 Thread Bas de Bruijn


> On 24 Jul 2017, at 20:56, Charles Steinkuehler  
> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/24/2017 1:18 PM, mugginsac wrote:
>> I just wondered if the machinekit image for a DE0-Nano-SOC board will run on 
>> a 
>> DE10-Nano?
> 
> No.
> 
> You'll need to import the pinout and HPS (Qsys) files from one of the
> DE10 example projects (or otherwise modify things for the DE10 vs.
> DE0) and recompile.
> 
> Is anyone using or looking to use a DE10?  I don't (yet) have a DE10,
> but I can try to setup a project and get bitfiles created if there's
> enough interest and someone is willing to test.

Funny, was just wondering about this myself today. I'd be willing to purchase a 
board and test if you start on such a thing.

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Re: [Machinekit] Will DE0-Nano image work on a DE10-Nano board?

2017-07-24 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
On 7/24/2017 1:18 PM, mugginsac wrote:
> I just wondered if the machinekit image for a DE0-Nano-SOC board will run on 
> a 
> DE10-Nano?

No.

You'll need to import the pinout and HPS (Qsys) files from one of the
DE10 example projects (or otherwise modify things for the DE10 vs.
DE0) and recompile.

Is anyone using or looking to use a DE10?  I don't (yet) have a DE10,
but I can try to setup a project and get bitfiles created if there's
enough interest and someone is willing to test.

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