Re: Final make install on 5.8.0 RC3
On Sunday, July 21, 2002, at 05:18 PM, Geoffrey F. Green wrote: On 7/21/02 8:07 PM, David Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is known and it is sadly because Apples libc does not contain a threadsafe localtime, the bug is entereted with apple but no reply yet! So what are the chances that this will be fixed by a future 10.1 update or in Jaguar, Edward? I'm not Edward, and I probably know about 1/100th as much as he does on this topic, but in case he doesn't respond: http://www.apple.com/macosx/jaguar/unix.html states that much of FreeBSD 4.4 has been backported to Darwin, so perhaps that includes a threadsafe localtime? In addition, the page notes that Reentrant variants of standard functions in the C library, such as strtok_r, help you port thread-safe versions of UNIX applications. Can't say if that's meaningful to this discussion or not, but I thought I'd mention it because it sounds relevant. I think you are giving me too much credit, as I wasn't even aware of the thread-safe localtime bug (if you know the Radar number, I'd like to look it up). I'm not on the team that is in charge of Perl; I'm just an interested Perl user at Apple. If the thread-safe localtime bug is an important issue to you, I recommend you add your comments to the above mentioned Radar. The more visible this issue becomes, the higher priority it well get. Ed
Re: Final make install on 5.8.0 RC3
On Monday, July 22, 2002, at 11:19 AM, David Wheeler wrote: On 7/22/02 7:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] claimed: I think you are giving me too much credit, as I wasn't even aware of the thread-safe localtime bug (if you know the Radar number, I'd like to look it up). I'm not on the team that is in charge of Perl; I'm just an interested Perl user at Apple. Bummer. This seems like it'd be a good place for such a team hang out, so I guess I just kind of assumed it was you. Oh, well. Here's more information from Artur, for those who want to check the bug: I reported the bug to apple and it has radar bug 2850918, however seems like radar is down so I can't check it. 2850918 has be closed, as Jaguar contains a suite of thread-safe time routines, including localtime_r(). Does 5.8.0 know to use the _r versions? If the thread-safe localtime bug is an important issue to you, I recommend you add your comments to the above mentioned Radar. The more visible this issue becomes, the higher priority it well get. Okay. There are a few bugs like this (the dbm library issue, a lack of strptime, a couple of broken options in strftime), so maybe I'll add some comments to the relevant radar numbers over the next few days. Yes, please do. The Berkeley DB issue is still unresolved, though others may be already fixed in Jaguar. Edward Moy Apple
Re: Final make install on 5.8.0 RC3
On 22/7/02 at 12:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Moy) wrote: On Monday, July 22, 2002, at 11:19 AM, David Wheeler wrote: On 7/22/02 7:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] claimed: I think you are giving me too much credit, as I wasn't even aware of the thread-safe localtime bug (if you know the Radar number, I'd like to look it up). I'm not on the team that is in charge of Perl; I'm just an interested Perl user at Apple. Bummer. This seems like it'd be a good place for such a team hang out, so I guess I just kind of assumed it was you. Oh, well. Here's more information from Artur, for those who want to check the bug: I reported the bug to apple and it has radar bug 2850918, however seems like radar is down so I can't check it. 2850918 has be closed, as Jaguar contains a suite of thread-safe time routines, including localtime_r(). Does 5.8.0 know to use the _r versions? If the thread-safe localtime bug is an important issue to you, I recommend you add your comments to the above mentioned Radar. The more visible this issue becomes, the higher priority it well get. Okay. There are a few bugs like this (the dbm library issue, a lack of strptime, a couple of broken options in strftime), so maybe I'll add some comments to the relevant radar numbers over the next few days. Yes, please do. The Berkeley DB issue is still unresolved, though others may be already fixed in Jaguar. On the subject of Jaguar, I can't seem to find any info on the version of Perl that will ship with it (or an estimation). If it's not breaking any NDA's, can anybody say (or point me in the right direction)? Regards, Phil.
Re: Final make install on 5.8.0 RC3
On 7/22/02 4:42 PM, phildobbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of Jaguar, I can't seem to find any info on the version of Perl that will ship with it (or an estimation). If it's not breaking any NDA's, can anybody say (or point me in the right direction)? If you'd asked a few days ago, I could have done a quick perl -V on one of the dozens of machines at MW-NY. Ah well. In any event, Finlay Doobie noted a few days ago that: There were plans [to update Perl], but last time I checked Apple's perl module had been severely screwed up by someone who no longer works at the company, and nobody had been bothered to step in and fix it. See http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg02468.html. Of course, they may have been updating Perl inside the company without telling anyone. So we may have 5.6.1. Regardless, I can't imagine they would stick 5.8.0 on there at such a late date. - geoff
Re: Final make install on 5.8.0 RC3
On 22/7/02 at 16:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoffrey F. Green) wrote: On 7/22/02 4:42 PM, phildobbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of Jaguar, I can't seem to find any info on the version of Perl that will ship with it (or an estimation). If it's not breaking any NDA's, can anybody say (or point me in the right direction)? If you'd asked a few days ago, I could have done a quick perl -V on one of the dozens of machines at MW-NY. Ah well. In any event, Finlay Doobie noted a few days ago that: There were plans [to update Perl], but last time I checked Apple's perl module had been severely screwed up by someone who no longer works at the company, and nobody had been bothered to step in and fix it. See http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg02468.html. Of course, they may have been updating Perl inside the company without telling anyone. So we may have 5.6.1. Regardless, I can't imagine they would stick 5.8.0 on there at such a late date. Ah, must've missed Finlay's post. Thanks for the info. Regards, Phil.
Re: Final make install on 5.8.0 RC3
On 22/7/02 at 12:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Moy) wrote: On Monday, July 22, 2002, at 11:19 AM, David Wheeler wrote: On 7/22/02 7:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] claimed: I think you are giving me too much credit, as I wasn't even aware of the thread-safe localtime bug (if you know the Radar number, I'd like to look it up). I'm not on the team that is in charge of Perl; I'm just an interested Perl user at Apple. Bummer. This seems like it'd be a good place for such a team hang out, so I guess I just kind of assumed it was you. Oh, well. Here's more information from Artur, for those who want to check the bug: I reported the bug to apple and it has radar bug 2850918, however seems like radar is down so I can't check it. 2850918 has be closed, as Jaguar contains a suite of thread-safe time routines, including localtime_r(). Does 5.8.0 know to use the _r versions? If the thread-safe localtime bug is an important issue to you, I recommend you add your comments to the above mentioned Radar. The more visible this issue becomes, the higher priority it well get. Okay. There are a few bugs like this (the dbm library issue, a lack of strptime, a couple of broken options in strftime), so maybe I'll add some comments to the relevant radar numbers over the next few days. Yes, please do. The Berkeley DB issue is still unresolved, though others may be already fixed in Jaguar. On the subject of Jaguar, I can't seem to find any info on the version of Perl that will ship with it (or an estimation). If it's not breaking any NDA's, can anybody say (or point me in the right direction)? Regards, Phil.
Re: Final make install on 5.8.0 RC3
On 7/20/02 2:07 PM, David Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] claimed: A failure for the libc test, which I didn't expect: ext/threads/t/libc...FAILED at test 1 It turns out that this is executed when you compile perl with -Dusethreads. I'm not sure why they're not working, but I sent some diagnostics to Artur to look at. I heard back from Arthur. The word is this: This is known and it is sadly because Apples libc does not contain a threadsafe localtime, the bug is entereted with apple but no reply yet! So what are the chances that this will be fixed by a future 10.1 update or in Jaguar, Edward? Thanks, David -- David Wheeler AIM: dwTheory [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 15726394 http://david.wheeler.net/ Yahoo!: dew7e Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final make install on 5.8.0 RC3
On 7/21/02 8:07 PM, David Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is known and it is sadly because Apples libc does not contain a threadsafe localtime, the bug is entereted with apple but no reply yet! So what are the chances that this will be fixed by a future 10.1 update or in Jaguar, Edward? I'm not Edward, and I probably know about 1/100th as much as he does on this topic, but in case he doesn't respond: http://www.apple.com/macosx/jaguar/unix.html states that much of FreeBSD 4.4 has been backported to Darwin, so perhaps that includes a threadsafe localtime? In addition, the page notes that Reentrant variants of standard functions in the C library, such as strtok_r,¹ help you port thread-safe versions of UNIX applications. Can't say if that's meaningful to this discussion or not, but I thought I'd mention it because it sounds relevant. - geoff
Final make install on 5.8.0 RC3
Am running the final tests on 5.8.0 RC3. Have encountered problems with dyld: Undefined symbols and with Jarkko's help I'm trying to fix/track it down. If anybody else has any input on this, much appreciated :-) Regards, Phil.
Re: Final make install on 5.8.0 RC3
On Thursday, July 18, 2002, at 08:39 AM, Phil Dobbin wrote: Am running the final tests on 5.8.0 RC3. Have encountered problems with dyld: Undefined symbols and with Jarkko's help I'm trying to fix/track it down. If anybody else has any input on this, much appreciated :-) I just compiled perl@17623 on 10.1.5 (April 2002 Dev Tools) and Jaguar. Both compiled fine (though on Jaguar I removed the -I/usr/local/include option from the cc flags to avoid unnecessary compiler warning; I had compiled perl@17551 on Jaguar without removing the option, and it worked fine even with the excess warning messages). Both only failed two test, the usual Berkeley DB tests. What are you seeing? Edward Moy Apple
Re: Final make install on 5.8.0 RC3
On 18/7/02 at 15:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Moy) wrote: On Thursday, July 18, 2002, at 08:39 AM, Phil Dobbin wrote: Am running the final tests on 5.8.0 RC3. Have encountered problems with dyld: Undefined symbols and with Jarkko's help I'm trying to fix/track it down. If anybody else has any input on this, much appreciated :-) I just compiled perl@17623 on 10.1.5 (April 2002 Dev Tools) and Jaguar. Both compiled fine (though on Jaguar I removed the -I/usr/local/include option from the cc flags to avoid unnecessary compiler warning; I had compiled perl@17551 on Jaguar without removing the option, and it worked fine even with the excess warning messages). Both only failed two test, the usual Berkeley DB tests. What are you seeing? It compiled fine on 10.1.5 (only failing the same two db tests you saw) but it complains of `undefined symbols' when trying to use it (e.g. `perl -MCPAN -e shell' and compiling `perl Makefile.PL'). I get: dyld: perl Undefined symbols: _Perl_sv_2pv _perl_get_sv Apparently, make install in Mac OS X doesn't always overwrite the Perl Shared library, which means that the old binarily incompatible version survives and that...refers to the Obsolete symbols [1] Have tried `rm /Library/Perl/darwin/CORE/libperl.dylib' and re-issued make install but to no avail. Regards, Phil. [1] from email from Jarkko Hietaniemi on perl5 porters 17/07/02
