Yeah, agreed there Anne. Apple does have it right, and obviously these
blindness organizations expect VO, and any accessibility features to be turned
on by default. The iPod touch, iPhone, and iPad are accessible out of the box
in my opinion, because with those devices, you have to hook
Hi,
The point is here that, even if you set triple-click to ask, it's still going
to be easier to activate VoiceOver yourself. You can't exactly tap it and get
it right. As you can tell, I'm a big fan of not using sighted people unless I'm
doing a hardware test on my Mac.
Regards,
Nic
Mobile
I don't know if the tripple click of the home button is set to a default but
Apple try to not second guess their customers so I think this would be kind of
counter Apple. And not to mention, they would still complain if the triple tap
brought up voice over when it was a low vision user who was
Hi,
Hmm. I'm going to be interested in that. Inserting the sim in the iPhone is
ridiculously easy.
I want to do it on the iPad now. I can't imagine it being any different.
Regards,
Nic
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Neither can I Nick. As someone who has never even looked at my sim card in the
IPhone, I couldn't comment but I think some users may find it difficult to know
which way around the simcard goes. I know I used to always get my dad to change
simcards in my old phones. But they don't even mention
Hi,
Well, it just has to fit the little tray that pops out of the iPhone. It can be
a little difficult at first, but if you just take it slow, it'll pop in just
fine. The sim-card, of course. It's pretty small though. I could never insert
the sim-cards into the other mobile phones, so I'm glad
I like that analogy lol.
On 21 Apr 2010, at 14:19, Kaare Dehard wrote:
They from what I've read are like a lot of other organizations, You need
accessible toilet paper to work off of the role before it can be deemed safe
to do it's primary function for a blind person:)
On 2010-04-21, at
actually someone needed sightee asistence to set up there iphone as itunes kept
giving them an error and it could not sybc thre device or something like that
so I'm kind of nervous about doing this when it come stime for me to get mine.
This was on a windows machine btw.
On Apr 21, 2010, at
sarah,
many, many users here and else where who are VI have set up their IPhones. It
is really easy. Chances are the connector may not have been correctly attached
or there may have been other things going on. The truth is, most of us who have
the IPhone have gone through all of this with
Hi Sarah, this was an exception, not the rule. I am mac and my lady is pc and
no sinc issues or any of that.
On 2010-04-21, at 5:03 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
actually someone needed sightee asistence to set up there iphone as itunes
kept giving them an error and it could not sybc thre device
and now my bf's phone won't even sink with itunes on windows side. he can't
remove itunes or nothing. Ive been trying to help him solve that problem but
my knoledge is very limited when it domes to stuff like this. As to my other
friens phone his was connected correctly but itunes never saw it
Hi guys,
Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be
writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for you
all to read.
It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the blind in
the UK. You need to download the
Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part, this
article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives of the
product which is good.
The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they made to
big of a deal about activating
I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't think
they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the accessibility
out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put users off entirely
and let's see, how many products are accessible out of the
Hi,
When I tried to get the article, it said no file exist at the address
On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
Hi guys,
Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be
writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for you
all
Hi,
under the heading where it says IPad, there's a file in word format, vo-space
on that. If you're still having problems, I'd be happy to email you my copy off
list.
HtH
On 20 Apr 2010, at 20:33, Ricardo Walker wrote:
Hi,
When I tried to get the article, it said no file exist at the
I'm a bit confused here. Voiceover can easily be turned on independently
through iTunes, or by a sighted user using the settings menu. How is this not
easily accessible? When I got my iPad an apple store employee simply turned on
voiceover for me. He knew exactly how to do it, and we also
Exactly what I think Olivia.
Clearly they are struggling to find issues with it and so resorted to one issue
they deemed potentially off putting.
It's 100 times more accessible out of the box than nokia phones or windows
computers.
On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:28, olivia norman wrote:
I'm a bit
Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
Hi,
I'm a bit confused here.
It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
has to be activated before the iPad can be used. and It would have been
yes Nick, agreed. Until I get my hands on one, the weight question is something
I can't comment on. The low vision stuff I can't either. But as an initial
review its not too scathing and yet not too promoting either.
On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
I'm a bit confused
April 2010 21:20
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
Hi,
I'm a bit confused here.
It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
has to be activated before the iPad can be used. and It would have been a
real
@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
Sadly, I don't think that was the point. Knowing the organisation, they
probably don't even know that happens with macs as they are quite quiet when
it comes to anything that is not strictly blind specific.
On 20 Apr 2010, at 21
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
Sent: 20 April 2010 21:46
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
Sadly, I don't think that was the point. Knowing the organisation, they
probably don't even know that happens with macs
Hi Marie, Nic, and Others,
I'd like to point out that the earlier iPad podcast review by Shelly
and the RNIB article seemed mostly done by low vision users. Although
weight is a factor (1.5 pounds), may I remind list members that a
totally blind person does not have to worry about holding
I see why you would say this about the article, the low vision users aspect at
least. Although they do say a low vision and a blind user. Seems to me the
blind user didn't have much to comment on.
On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:05, Esther wrote:
Hi Marie, Nic, and Others,
I'd like to point out that
Hello Nic,
Yes, it was a pretty good article for the RNIB, but I had the same reaction as
you did about it being a pity it wasn't accessible out of the box. They just
can't admit that Apple has really got it right!
Cheers,
Anne
On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
FWIW, they didn't talk about getting content (books) much, but I did like the
fact they mentioned pinch to zoom, which iirc works even with voiceover turned
on, thus allowing for zooming in text apps, along with VO. Again I might be
wrong on using pinch to zoom with vo but pinch to zoom is
...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
Hi,
I'm a bit confused here.
It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
has to be activated
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
Hi,
I'm a bit confused here.
It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
has
Hi,
I'm just a bit sad about the fact they seem to dismiss that it is a mainstream
product, and thus, nothing will actually be turned on.
The thing I love about Apple, is that Apple does not presume to know what the
end-user wants. This is the benefit. You can customize everything to your
,
Dónal
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
Hi,
I'm a bit confused here
: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
Hi,
I'm a bit confused here.
It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched
Aggreed Nick. When voiceover is on it alters the gestures required, and would
not fit the majority of the users which aren't us...
I really think that it is nit-picking critisism, as I own a touch, and my lady
owns an iphone and there isn't any difficulties turning on the feature from
itunes.
I guess, the point they were trying to make is that, just like on the
Mac COMMAND+F5 toggles Voiceover screen reader, iPad could have a
tripple+home set up by default to perform ask, zoom or voiceover
function.
But I don't really think it's that big of a deal considering that
Apple store staff is
I guess. The only problem with that potential set up is how would you know
which function to have the triple click button turn on? Some users might want
VO, while others might prefer zoom. Typically, apple store staff are great
about their products, I have always had wonderful experiences with
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