Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

;> I said main stream, FS and gw micro aren't mainstream >> >> The disabled are only a small percentage of the apple user environment >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ti

Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

; Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 8:10 AM > To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis > > There was no mention of any of their desktops being refreshed so it looks > like you will have to stick

Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

percentage of the apple user environment > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn > Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 8:10 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: W

RE: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 2:20 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis First off and most importantly, do tell Sabahattin hello and I hope he’s well, it’s been a while. Like you, I too would listen

RE: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis So what about my I Mac Scott? I think you remember what type of processor and what kind of memory I have, is that too old although it does run with no problems. Do apple say that a lat

RE: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 8:10 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis Hi, It's OK to express concern, it's OK

RE: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 8:10 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis Hi, It's OK to express concern, it's OK

RE: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 8:10 AM To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis There was no mention of any of their desktops being refreshed so it looks like you will have to stick wi

Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

First off and most importantly, do tell Sabahattin hello and I hope he’s well, it’s been a while. Like you, I too would listen to him, he’s a very smart and technically skilled fellow. I have a great deal of respect for him and hope he’s well. Next, one of the good things about Apple is they

Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

Never believe what someone says about buying gadgets as although I might buy the latest I phone, I am definitely not buying the latest I watch. I cancelled my orders for the watch when Sabahattin told me that he did not think too much about the watch as he said that the watch reminded him of a

Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

I actually have a small keyboard for my iPad Mini, that does not have function keys. I am sitting with that keyboard, typing this. The FN key with the numbers dash and = keys does the same as the function keys. In short, yes, tech older than me is getting fazed out, but so what. So were the

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Nobody says you have to, you’re missing the point. As long as it works for you use it. Apple seems to run on 4 or 5 year cycles with both the phones and to some degree the computers. The big cutoffs seem to be when they change processor types either from RISK to Intel and so forth. Your

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So what about my I Mac Scott? I think you remember what type of processor and what kind of memory I have, is that too old although it does run with no problems. Do apple say that a late 2012 I Mac and a 2014 MacMini will not able to run new software? I'm not being unreasonable, I'm being

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Kawal, it’s not that easy now come on that’s just unreasonable. Computers grow old like everything else. That G4 processor your Mac used to have isn’t usable with new software. The compilers don’t work and it’s just impractical. During the keynote yesterday they mentioned that the current

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A way of saying, get rid of your computer. Why on earth should one get rid of a computer if it's going strong, no need to not let it update. No wonder we live in a throw-away society as manufacturers encourage land fills and alike for Governments to say that there is no place to build houses

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A definite +1. I always enjoy reading Tim’s posts as well, very good content there. > On Oct 28, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > > I'd like to compliment your posts Tim. Out of all the people on this list, > I'd say you speak a lot of sense and have so much

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Christopher, ghz mean nothing. Clock rate hasn’t mattered in processors since probably the early to mid 90s. What would be a more meaningful number are flops or some other real measure of work done but the oscillation rate of the control crystal doesn’t matter a hill of beans with modern

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That was much more to the point and concise. (smiles) From E.T.'s Keyboard... Without H2O there is no life! ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 10/28/2016 12:33 PM, Scott Granados wrote: It’s been going on since the 70s with Apple. Round and Round we go. On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:36 PM, E.T.

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I'd like to compliment your posts Tim. Out of all the people on this list, I'd say you speak a lot of sense and have so much knowledge to contribute. Not that this means I don't listen to other's on this list as I do and others who have much to contribute too. But, Tim, I always read your

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Actually Robbin, this is not true. The last quarter released by apple which was just a few days ago showed 45 million iPhones sold. This only included 2 weeks of the iPhone 7+ sales which are way ahead of schedule due to in part the self destruction of Samsung. Apple makes over a billion

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It’s been going on since the 70s with Apple. Round and Round we go. > On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:36 PM, E.T. wrote: > > Progress is not without pain. What would be better, stagnation? If Apple > was 100% focused on the blind user share of the market, it might be

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It won’t be, nothing changes you do things as you always have. At some point, your computer just won’t receive any more updates. The operating system will eventually not be compatible because it’s to new. Sort of the standard way of things happening. > On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Kawal

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What? And this is only running at the very least a 1.1 GHZ intel M3 processor? That sounds *real* slow to me. > On 28 Oct 2016, at 10:52, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > > I wanna add to this, if you use the Mac book, not the mac book pro, > but the Fanless design, it may

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I would agree with the triple tap power idea. > On 28 Oct 2016, at 11:37, Brandt Steenkamp wrote: > > There we go, > > Triple-tapping power sounds like the most consistent and logical way to go. > > Holding command down and tapping the touch bar also sounds okay,

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Hi, It's OK to express concern, it's OK to wonder, but people need to realize that these decisions are not made without accessibility in mind. If a change is made such as the removal of the F-keys, then there will just be different keystrokes to accomplish task that originally required those

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There was no mention of any of their desktops being refreshed so it looks like you will have to stick with old to ancient hardware, for now at least. > On 28 Oct 2016, at 19:33, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > > So what will happen for those people who have I Mac and Mac Mini's who

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you DoKnow that Apple's Sales of its iPhones are Slippin' Don't Cha? And, it's only been about 1Month since its Release Referrin'To TheRelease of the iPhone7 & iPhone7+ EvenWith Samsung's SNAFU of its GalaxyNote7, it's Still TheKing AsItPertainsTo MobilePhones ImagineThat with All of

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Progress is not without pain. What would be better, stagnation? If Apple was 100% focused on the blind user share of the market, it might be different? History repeats itself, over and over. Look at the headphone jack, how much grief that caused right up to release day. And as soon as

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So what will happen for those people who have I Mac and Mac Mini's who have not changed their computers for a number of years as there will be no touch bars etc. So how will that be accommodated? I have not listened to the event as yet. Kawal. > On 28 Oct 2016, at 19:06, christopher

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Well you know what? Found out through the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide that as part of the new and changed key commands set for VoiceOver under macOS Sierra, VO-- (hyphen) will decrease the system volume and vo-= (equals) will increase the system volume. Actually, I will correct this by

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Apple will almost certainly be forced to add yet another keystroke for doing what now is the direct press of a function key, volume for example. This is because when you cram multiple levels of function into a touch bar there has to be a way to choose among levels. There are far far too

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I'm sure they have something. It's like everything else. I personally can use a touchscreen just fine but use a bluetooth keyboard if I'd like to type a lot of stuff quickly. You'll just have to figure out what your workflow is. I'm sure someone will get us a physical description once these

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Probably similar to the way touch screens are handled now under voice over. You’ll probably flick or touch near the spot. Maybe there will be some sort of tactile indicator. I can’t wait to try one out. > On Oct 28, 2016, at 7:34 AM, gs wrote: > > I care about access

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I wrote a letter to accessibility, let’s see what we get for an answer. Hopefully they will shed some light on this. > On Oct 28, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Brandt Steenkamp > wrote: > > There we go, > > Triple-tapping power sounds like the most consistent and logical

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Hi, I get the concerns about this, but I would just remind everyone that there were a lot of very similar discussions when the early iPhones became popular. I remember lots of folks saying that blind people would never be able to use a touch phone as easily as we can use a phone with a

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I care about access to the function keys in general and not just what currently happens when one presses Command F5. I use the function keys for adjusting screen brightness and volume, etc. I wonder how all the other items currently available via the function keys will be handled? On Oct 28,

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There we go, Triple-tapping power sounds like the most consistent and logical way to go. Holding command down and tapping the touch bar also sounds okay, but not like something apple would do. Warm regards, Brandt Steenkamp Sent from my Macbook Pro Contact: Phone: Private: +27 (0)60 525

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I wanna add to this, if you use the Mac book, not the mac book pro, but the Fanless design, it may seem small, underrated, but it is so powerful that it can semi consistently run latest model of flight sims in winddows 7, settings are real weather, full realism turned on, and over 120 FPS. It

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IF Apple is truly going for consistancy, I have a feeling I know how we will turn on Voice Over with the new touch bar. I don’t know this for sure: but, I’d be willing to guess that to turn on Voice Over, you simply touch or press the power button three times quickly if Voice Over is off. OF