To paraphrase, iOS 8.1 is the most inextricably inaccessible OS on the
market today, except for all the other ones.
CB
On 10/25/14, 6:32 PM, Jose Lomeli wrote:
Drops in performance should not be rewarded, especially when they have done
better in earlier IOS releases.
Sent from my IPhone 4S
Yes iOS 8.1 is a one way trip and no it is no longer possible to downgrade to
7.1.2 afterwards.
On 26 Oct 2014, at 03:40, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
So, if im correct, The upgrade to 8.1 (if i do it) will be a one way trip?
Is there any way to downgrade back to 7.1.2?
Sent from my
...@shellworld.net
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S
Perhaps the problem begins by assuming that there is such a thing as
the
blind, uniformly using choosing and personifying a single individual
Its disappointing to know that the issues are not fixed in 8.1.
Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone
On 23-Oct-2014, at 4:34 am, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I had those same issues with my 4S, which I unfortunately didn't realize I
was going to before I updated it, due to the fact
Cheree Heppe here:
Even with the problems listed over a wide range of applications, I updated one
of my iOS devices last night. If what I am learning about 8.1 is symptomatic,
I think blind users can kiss good Apple access good-bye.
One area: I remember getting my first iPhone and, in extreme
To the person that is not happy with IOS 8.1 and chose to cancel getting the
iPhone 6. Did you send your note to Apple so they are aware of this and will
fix these issues?
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote:
Cheree Heppe here:
Even
I have a friend who had a similar experience both with the OS and and
accessibility representative.
He wrote a letter to accessibil...@apple.com I also wrote my own letter to
them expressing my displeasure with their most recent update. I don't think
either of us got a response, however you
Hi Cheri and All,
In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here. The quality of
the voices that you’ve expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting back
to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices. Normal behaviour
during the update process. If you download
Hi Tim,
Your position is fair. I don't disagree, other thanThe complaints being
registered within bothIOS and Yosemite concern the apps that are shipped on
each respective product. Do we not have reasonable expectation for the
same accessibility for the stock apps included within Apple
Got the voice enhancements now and this helped.
Sent from my IPhone 4S
On 25 Oct 2014, at 11:19, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
Hi Cheri and All,
In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here. The quality of
the voices that you’ve expressed is likely due to your iDevice
My take on this is this. Tim mentioned 'reasonable expectations'.
Not only do we need to keep our expectations to a level that is not
UNreasonable, it also means that when we encounter issues, we also keep
them to a reasonable level when seeking help. Expressing displeasure is
reasonable if
Drops in performance should not be rewarded, especially when they have done
better in earlier IOS releases.
Sent from my IPhone 4S
On 25 Oct 2014, at 12:56, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote:
My take on this is this. Tim mentioned 'reasonable expectations'. Not only do
we need to
Hi. Well said Tim. Nothing good will come if we're not reasonable. For example,
when I received the first public beta of Yosemite, for some reason Text Edit
wouldn't open any files ending with the .docx extension. I immediately launched
the Feedback Assistant app and reported this bug to Apple.
What happens if we can't use more and more while sending fix requests? Didn't
someone say a while back that the blind aren't a buying majority and should
gratefully accept what we are handed?
Sent from my IPhone 4S
On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:03, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
Hi. Well
Drops in performance should not be rewarded, especially when they have done
better in earlier IOS releases.
Sent from my IPhone 4S
On 25 Oct 2014, at 12:56, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote:
My take on this is this. Tim mentioned 'reasonable expectations'. Not only do
we need to
Rewarded? Oh, you mean, by buying more Apple goodies. I'd venture a
guess that Microsoft and Google would suffer the same. Maybe not?
Perhaps they are better?
As I said before, I am running 8.1 and notice little difference.
Maybe my own expectations are too low.
From The Believer. . .
What I find interesting is this notion that we are rewarding or punishing a
company, as if it makes a major difference. The difference is actually five
years ago, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. The fact we even have
access to a touch interface and we've come so far without
Whatever did blind people do in the Dark Ages, before accessibility
became part of the language? As long as you have owned Apple products,
have you ever had a product with zero defects in hardware, software,
accessibility features?
From The Believer. . .
. . . what if it were true?
Perhaps the problem begins by assuming that there is such a thing as
the
blind, uniformly using choosing and personifying a single individual.
There will be people who find the upgrade very wonderful for them, there
will be, are clearly, individuals who do not.
that has zero to do with
Situational thinking doesn't build bridges.
Sent from my IPhone 4S
On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:50, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
Perhaps the problem begins by assuming that there is such a thing as the
blind, uniformly using choosing and personifying a single individual.
There
oh sure it does far more than generalizations and projective stereotyping.
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Cheree Heppe wrote:
Situational thinking doesn't build bridges.
Sent from my IPhone 4S
On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:50, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
Perhaps the problem begins by
So, if im correct, The upgrade to 8.1 (if i do it) will be a one way trip?
Is there any way to downgrade back to 7.1.2?
Sent from my iPhone
On 26-Oct-2014, at 7:10 am, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
oh sure it does far more than generalizations and projective stereotyping.
Hi,
In response to Pam’s question from way back in this thread, you’re absolutely
correct in that there should be a reasonable expectation for accessibility
within Apple’s stock apps. Apple has been put to task for this in the past
prior to iTunes becoming accessible and, with respect to
Hi everyone,
I too have a 4s. It was time for me to upgrade, I chose to move to android,
primarily because it was going to be cheaper along with my accessibility on my
chosen phone was similar to what I get with voiceover. I kept my phone
relegating it to airplane mode in order to continue to
I had those same issues with my 4S, which I unfortunately didn't realize I was
going to before I updated it, due to the fact that it's an older phone, and
actually had no idea you could downgrade again, so you did the right thing
doing that, sense you were going to have a rough time of it
Hi list,
I am using a 16GB iPhone 4S. I updated to iOs 8 and had a lot of
issues so had to downgrade back to 7.1. My phone got a lot slower,
apps like whatsapp and messenger kept constantly crashing and VO
randomly restarts it self. i had many accidental touches, accidental
calls, etc. I wish to
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