Re: Quickly Switch between Group and Dom Navigation?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The best way to do this is to set up a shortcut in Keyboard Commander of VO 
Utility.  I've set mine up with right option g as my key commander command.  
So, I just hold down the right option key with the letter g to toggle it 
between the two modes.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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On Jan 5, 2020, at 17:42, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:

Hey list,

Is there a quick way to switch between the two navigation modes on the fly? I 
notice that if using group navigation and trying to read comment sections, VO 
hangs up as it tries to group everything. 

Thanks,
Ibraheem

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Re: Streeming Videos from Iphone to Mac, can we?

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Hi,

Yes.  Connect your iPhone to your Mac with the USB charging cable.  On your 
Mac, open QuickTime from the Applications folder.  Cancel the Open dialog.  
From the File menu, select "New Movie Recording".  Select your iPhone from the 
source menu and make sure that the input volume is not muted.  Start the movie 
on your iPhone and it will display on the Mac.  This is doable from iPad as 
well.

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On Jan 5, 2020, at 08:31, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
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Hi all:
Need to play some videos from my Iphone but need to listen from my Macbook pro, 
and other people can see from the Mac screen itself, can we perform this?
THanks

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Re: downloading Amazon music

[Lorie McCloud]

well, I never gave up on Amazon music mostly because I've been buying music 
from them for 20 years. I think it really helped to have an activity set so 
that when I go to Amazon and a couple of other sites the mouse cursor ignores 
the vo cursor. I set that after we discussed it a couple weeks ago. I launched 
my music library, searched for the album I wanted under the artist's name, 
checked the box for each song on it and then I turned on quicknav, set it to 
form controls and just kept arrowing down till I hit "download". I had never 
seen this before. when I clicked it I had to authorize this computer which I 
thought I had already done but right after that it started coming down. it came 
as a zip file into my downloads folder.

> On Jan 5, 2020, at 7:02 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> How did you manage to do that?  I’ve tried it for a good couple of years and 
> have had no luck with it.  It just would play the audio tracks I selected, 
> but never showed up under finder so I gave up on it after the onset of Apple 
> Music.
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> today I managed to download an album from my Amazon music library using my 
>> Mac. it was an old album that I'd bought many years ago and I have no idea 
>> why it wasn't anywhere in my computer. nowadays when you buy something from 
>> Amazon you can download it from your order page but I couldn't get at this 
>> album that way. if anybody wants to know how I did it, email me at:
>> "lorice...@gmail.com "
>> and I'll try to explain it.
>> 
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Re: downloading Amazon music

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I deleted this app on both platforms a long time ago, saving myself 
the grief. I get all my music from the iTunes store, so much easier.


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On 1/5/2020 3:54 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
today I managed to download an album from my Amazon music library using 
my Mac. it was an old album that I'd bought many years ago and I have no 
idea why it wasn't anywhere in my computer. nowadays when you buy 
something from Amazon you can download it from your order page but I 
couldn't get at this album that way. if anybody wants to know how I did 
it, email me at:

"lorice...@gmail.com "
and I'll try to explain it.

Lorie

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Re: downloading Amazon music

[Jessica Moss]

How did you manage to do that?  I’ve tried it for a good couple of years and 
have had no luck with it.  It just would play the audio tracks I selected, but 
never showed up under finder so I gave up on it after the onset of Apple Music.

> On Jan 5, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> today I managed to download an album from my Amazon music library using my 
> Mac. it was an old album that I'd bought many years ago and I have no idea 
> why it wasn't anywhere in my computer. nowadays when you buy something from 
> Amazon you can download it from your order page but I couldn't get at this 
> album that way. if anybody wants to know how I did it, email me at:
> "lorice...@gmail.com "
> and I'll try to explain it.
> 
> Lorie
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Quickly Switch between Group and Dom Navigation?

[Ibraheem Fakir]

Hey list,

Is there a quick way to switch between the two navigation modes on the fly? I 
notice that if using group navigation and trying to read comment sections, VO 
hangs up as it tries to group everything. 

Thanks,
Ibraheem

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downloading Amazon music

[Lorie McCloud]

today I managed to download an album from my Amazon music library using my Mac. 
it was an old album that I'd bought many years ago and I have no idea why it 
wasn't anywhere in my computer. nowadays when you buy something from Amazon you 
can download it from your order page but I couldn't get at this album that way. 
if anybody wants to know how I did it, email me at:
"lorice...@gmail.com "
and I'll try to explain it.

Lorie

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Re: Dropbox has no windows

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi sarai,

When I use to get that  drop box has no windows I  would just ignore it and go 
to where my drop box folders are stored and edit the  folders on my mac.
Unless something has changed again!
HTH
Chuck
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On Jan 5, 2020, at 5:58 PM,  
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> Its awful in Windows now too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 4:12 PM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Dropbox has no windows
> 
> is the tech department at dropbox concerned about accessibility? several 
> people have comnplained about the latest upgrade. I'm considering going with 
> one of their plans because they've been the easiest for me to use.
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:15 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Try to go to the menu extra, find the dropbox icon and vo+spacebar on it.  
>> You should here a sound and have a look there for various options.  Dropbox 
>> has changed recently and is more difficult for me to configure.  I’ve 
>> already reported it to Dropbox team.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 3 Jan 2020, at 22:40, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve been trying to work on my laptop since my beloved I Mac is dead.  Drop 
>>> box popped up and said I needed to upgrade, so I followed the prompts and 
>>> downloaded it from the drop box site.  When I tried to install it, it said 
>>> dropbox has no windows.  When I tried a second time, I got the message that 
>>> the operation couldn’t be performed because the app was in use!  
>>> 
>>> Can anybody help with this?  How do I get drop box installed?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caitlyn
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Mine is using an 8gig card and I would be hard pressed to fill that 
up with .brf files! :)


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On 1/5/2020 3:28 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks, Maurice.
Donna



On Jan 5, 2020, at 5:20 PM, maur...@maurice-amines.com wrote:

Yes there is a limit the card cannot exceed 32 gig and it is a micro SD card. 
Hope this helps?

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On 5 Jan 2020, at 13:25, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Alia,

Is there a limit to the size of SD card it will take?
Donna



On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:21 PM, alia robinson  wrote:

yes, you can. sometimes you have to restart voiceover or the unit to get mac to 
see it, but I think that’s more apple stuff than actilino, but once it’s there 
as a drive it’s exactly what you expect. I never got my VU to show up as a 
drive, you can also just take out the SDCard and put them on it that way.


On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:13 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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With my VU, I just treat it like a drive, so if I can move files back and forth 
that way, I'd be happy.

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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Maurice.
Donna


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 5:20 PM, maur...@maurice-amines.com wrote:
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> Yes there is a limit the card cannot exceed 32 gig and it is a micro SD card. 
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> On 5 Jan 2020, at 13:25, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>> Alia,
>> 
>> Is there a limit to the size of SD card it will take?
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:21 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
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>>> yes, you can. sometimes you have to restart voiceover or the unit to get 
>>> mac to see it, but I think that’s more apple stuff than actilino, but once 
>>> it’s there as a drive it’s exactly what you expect. I never got my VU to 
>>> show up as a drive, you can also just take out the SDCard and put them on 
>>> it that way.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:13 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> With my VU, I just treat it like a drive, so if I can move files back and 
>>> forth that way, I'd be happy.
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[maurice]

 Yes there is a limit the card cannot exceed 32 gig and it is a micro 
SD card. Hope this helps?


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On 5 Jan 2020, at 13:25, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Alia,

Is there a limit to the size of SD card it will take?
Donna



On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:21 PM, alia robinson  wrote:

yes, you can. sometimes you have to restart voiceover or the unit to 
get mac to see it, but I think that’s more apple stuff than 
actilino, but once it’s there as a drive it’s exactly what you 
expect. I never got my VU to show up as a drive, you can also just 
take out the SDCard and put them on it that way.



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With my VU, I just treat it like a drive, so if I can move files back 
and forth that way, I'd be happy.


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RE: Dropbox has no windows

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Its awful in Windows now too.

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Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 4:12 PM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Dropbox has no windows

is the tech department at dropbox concerned about accessibility? several people 
have comnplained about the latest upgrade. I'm considering going with one of 
their plans because they've been the easiest for me to use.

> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:15 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Try to go to the menu extra, find the dropbox icon and vo+spacebar on it.  
> You should here a sound and have a look there for various options.  Dropbox 
> has changed recently and is more difficult for me to configure.  I’ve already 
> reported it to Dropbox team.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 3 Jan 2020, at 22:40, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
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>> box popped up and said I needed to upgrade, so I followed the prompts and 
>> downloaded it from the drop box site.  When I tried to install it, it said 
>> dropbox has no windows.  When I tried a second time, I got the message that 
>> the operation couldn’t be performed because the app was in use!  
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>> Can anybody help with this?  How do I get drop box installed?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Caitlyn
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Re: Dropbox has no windows

[Caitlyn Furness]

Thanks, will give that a try.

Cait


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> reported it to Dropbox team.
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> Andrew
>> On 3 Jan 2020, at 22:40, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
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>> box popped up and said I needed to upgrade, so I followed the prompts and 
>> downloaded it from the drop box site.  When I tried to install it, it said 
>> dropbox has no windows.  When I tried a second time, I got the message that 
>> the operation couldn’t be performed because the app was in use!  
>> 
>> Can anybody help with this?  How do I get drop box installed?
>> 
>> Thanks,
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Re: Dropbox has no windows

[Lorie McCloud]

is the tech department at dropbox concerned about accessibility? several people 
have comnplained about the latest upgrade. I'm considering going with one of 
their plans because they've been the easiest for me to use.

> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:15 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Try to go to the menu extra, find the dropbox icon and vo+spacebar on it.  
> You should here a sound and have a look there for various options.  Dropbox 
> has changed recently and is more difficult for me to configure.  I’ve already 
> reported it to Dropbox team.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 3 Jan 2020, at 22:40, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
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>> I’ve been trying to work on my laptop since my beloved I Mac is dead.  Drop 
>> box popped up and said I needed to upgrade, so I followed the prompts and 
>> downloaded it from the drop box site.  When I tried to install it, it said 
>> dropbox has no windows.  When I tried a second time, I got the message that 
>> the operation couldn’t be performed because the app was in use!  
>> 
>> Can anybody help with this?  How do I get drop box installed?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Caitlyn
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RE: Malware Bytes

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah it's big news,

Stay frosty out there and breath shallow!

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Subject: Re: Malware Bytes

we are 21 or 70 degrees today but there are still watch and act fires still 
burning with some roads closed off but,  later in the week,  the heat will be 
back.  its the remote towns that are suffering through limited access.  and i 
appreciate and thank you for your concern. 

> On 5 Jan 2020, at 8:23 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hey Jerry,
> 
> Change of subject slightly,
> How the temperature in your neighbourhood?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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> Sent: Sunday, 5 January 2020 4:33 AM
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> Subject: Re: Malware Bytes
> 
> Hi well having opened it if you VO to background image VO space on that and 
> after using vo right arrow about 3 to 4 times it should say scan then it 
> tells you what you might or might not hav or congratulations you are clean.  
> I must admit its a pain and it is in menu extras as frontend agent and you 
> get nothing from that so your better off opening it from the applications 
> folder.  I found it by accident so hope that helps i’ll get the dev on to it 
> and see what happens. 
> 
>> On 5 Jan 2020, at 12:47 am, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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>> This is one of the only apps my Apple store techs suggest using. I 
>> downloaded the new version. It doesn't seem accessible at all. I used a 
>> version before and it was very friendly. Has anyone used this app? Am I 
>> missing something?
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>> Thanks for any info.
>> 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks!
Donna


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:28 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
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> what it comes with is 16 gb. I am not sure if that’s the limit. I can’t find 
> anything that says for sure.
> 
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:25 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Alia,
> 
> Is there a limit to the size of SD card it will take?
> Donna
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[alia robinson]

what it comes with is 16 gb. I am not sure if that’s the limit. I can’t find 
anything that says for sure.

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Alia,

Is there a limit to the size of SD card it will take?
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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Alia,

Is there a limit to the size of SD card it will take?
Donna


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> yes, you can. sometimes you have to restart voiceover or the unit to get mac 
> to see it, but I think that’s more apple stuff than actilino, but once it’s 
> there as a drive it’s exactly what you expect. I never got my VU to show up 
> as a drive, you can also just take out the SDCard and put them on it that 
> way. 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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I also have Duxbury on my vmware machine and noticed that 12.4 is free. but 
haven't installed it yet. I was rather surprised.

Kawal. 

> On 5 Jan 2020, at 9:13 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks. I have Duxbury on my PC, so I think I can probably live without 
> HTCom. I actually remember that when I demoed their display, the only way  to 
> get files onto the device was by using some crappy Windows protocol. You had 
> to go into Utilities or something like that, and it was this dumb little 
> applet. I think it might have been called V-Term. Transferring files took 
> **forever! That was the other thing I didn't like.
> 
> With my VU, I just treat it like a drive, so if I can move files back and 
> forth that way, I'd be happy.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:06 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> it remembers your place unless it has an issue where you had to shut it 
>> down, also if you suspend the editer you have to remember and press a cursor 
>> routing button or it will go back a bit, but if you close a file and open it 
>> again your place is kept. I couldn’t deal with that either. the HTCom 
>> software is crap to be blunt. what I do is contract my braille, connect it, 
>> and it acts like a storage device and I copy it over. the editer is okay, 
>> but I never use it honestly. for reading once you get files on it’s great. 
>> you can open several files at once and switch easily between them. it’s also 
>> easy to switch bluetooth devices. just think of HTCom as unuseable because 
>> it is for mac. even on my husband’s windows machine it’s not the greatest. 
>> He said it’s like software from the 80’s to early 90’s! that’s actually what 
>> I wrote them about having better ways of getting files on the device and on 
>> board translation. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> When you say the software, I assume you're referring to that transfer app 
>> HTCom? What is the Notepad/book reader/word processor like? I demoed one of 
>> their displays many years ago, and one thing I didn't like was that it 
>> didn't save your place in a file. Every time you re-opened a file, you were 
>> placed at the beginning. Since I use my display a lot for reading books, I 
>> found that very annoying.
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[alia robinson]

yes, you can. sometimes you have to restart voiceover or the unit to get mac to 
see it, but I think that’s more apple stuff than actilino, but once it’s there 
as a drive it’s exactly what you expect. I never got my VU to show up as a 
drive, you can also just take out the SDCard and put them on it that way. 


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With my VU, I just treat it like a drive, so if I can move files back and forth 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks. I have Duxbury on my PC, so I think I can probably live without HTCom. 
I actually remember that when I demoed their display, the only way  to get 
files onto the device was by using some crappy Windows protocol. You had to go 
into Utilities or something like that, and it was this dumb little applet. I 
think it might have been called V-Term. Transferring files took **forever! That 
was the other thing I didn't like.

With my VU, I just treat it like a drive, so if I can move files back and forth 
that way, I'd be happy.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:06 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> it remembers your place unless it has an issue where you had to shut it down, 
> also if you suspend the editer you have to remember and press a cursor 
> routing button or it will go back a bit, but if you close a file and open it 
> again your place is kept. I couldn’t deal with that either. the HTCom 
> software is crap to be blunt. what I do is contract my braille, connect it, 
> and it acts like a storage device and I copy it over. the editer is okay, but 
> I never use it honestly. for reading once you get files on it’s great. you 
> can open several files at once and switch easily between them. it’s also easy 
> to switch bluetooth devices. just think of HTCom as unuseable because it is 
> for mac. even on my husband’s windows machine it’s not the greatest. He said 
> it’s like software from the 80’s to early 90’s! that’s actually what I wrote 
> them about having better ways of getting files on the device and on board 
> translation. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> When you say the software, I assume you're referring to that transfer app 
> HTCom? What is the Notepad/book reader/word processor like? I demoed one of 
> their displays many years ago, and one thing I didn't like was that it didn't 
> save your place in a file. Every time you re-opened a file, you were placed 
> at the beginning. Since I use my display a lot for reading books, I found 
> that very annoying.
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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it remembers your place unless it has an issue where you had to shut it down, 
also if you suspend the editer you have to remember and press a cursor routing 
button or it will go back a bit, but if you close a file and open it again your 
place is kept. I couldn’t deal with that either. the HTCom software is crap to 
be blunt. what I do is contract my braille, connect it, and it acts like a 
storage device and I copy it over. the editer is okay, but I never use it 
honestly. for reading once you get files on it’s great. you can open several 
files at once and switch easily between them. it’s also easy to switch 
bluetooth devices. just think of HTCom as unuseable because it is for mac. even 
on my husband’s windows machine it’s not the greatest. He said it’s like 
software from the 80’s to early 90’s! that’s actually what I wrote them about 
having better ways of getting files on the device and on board translation. 



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When you say the software, I assume you're referring to that transfer app 
HTCom? What is the Notepad/book reader/word processor like? I demoed one of 
their displays many years ago, and one thing I didn't like was that it didn't 
save your place in a file. Every time you re-opened a file, you were placed at 
the beginning. Since I use my display a lot for reading books, I found that 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi There.

I am just trying to write with my focus but when I press the letters on my 
braille display it goes out of the mail program.  So what am I doing wrong as I 
wanted to write with contracted braille using the braille display.

Also are there any podcasts on how to use the focus with the Mac OS?  I can use 
the braille display with windows by controling the machine even though it’s a 
virtual machine with my Focus but can’t do the same with the Mac.  I wish I 
could.

Kawal.

> On 5 Jan 2020, at 20:55, alia robinson  wrote:
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> well, hims is selling their displays for now, and hims customer service 
> hasn’t been great historically, but when I asked a question last week I got a 
> reply in two days, and that was right on new year’s eve when I asked, so I 
> was impressed. I worry about any company for the blind or visually impaired 
> if I’m honest. so many are moving to phones using speech and abandoning 
> specialized equipment. I would be concerned yes, but the display is 
> outstanding, imo the hardware is better than vario. I had to send my VU in 
> twice for issues, but not the actilino. the actilino also uses an off the 
> shelf battery, so if like my vu did the battery goes you can just buy a 7 
> dollar battery from amazon and replace it yourself. I also had to write 
> handitech, or helptech or whatever they are now directly once, requesting 
> better software, just ideas for improvements, and had someone reply to me 
> twice within an hour. I am not going to tell you not to worry at all that 
> they’ll be around, but if it was me I would still buy one. as I said the 
> software is awful, but the hardware is incredible. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I'd at least like to have the option of using it to control my computer. Just 
> out of curiosity, because I know you went through the Baum debacle too, do 
> you ever worry about HandyTech going under?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

When you say the software, I assume you're referring to that transfer app 
HTCom? What is the Notepad/book reader/word processor like? I demoed one of 
their displays many years ago, and one thing I didn't like was that it didn't 
save your place in a file. Every time you re-opened a file, you were placed at 
the beginning. Since I use my display a lot for reading books, I found that 
very annoying.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:55 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> well, hims is selling their displays for now, and hims customer service 
> hasn’t been great historically, but when I asked a question last week I got a 
> reply in two days, and that was right on new year’s eve when I asked, so I 
> was impressed. I worry about any company for the blind or visually impaired 
> if I’m honest. so many are moving to phones using speech and abandoning 
> specialized equipment. I would be concerned yes, but the display is 
> outstanding, imo the hardware is better than vario. I had to send my VU in 
> twice for issues, but not the actilino. the actilino also uses an off the 
> shelf battery, so if like my vu did the battery goes you can just buy a 7 
> dollar battery from amazon and replace it yourself. I also had to write 
> handitech, or helptech or whatever they are now directly once, requesting 
> better software, just ideas for improvements, and had someone reply to me 
> twice within an hour. I am not going to tell you not to worry at all that 
> they’ll be around, but if it was me I would still buy one. as I said the 
> software is awful, but the hardware is incredible. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'd at least like to have the option of using it to control my computer. Just 
> out of curiosity, because I know you went through the Baum debacle too, do 
> you ever worry about HandyTech going under?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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well, hims is selling their displays for now, and hims customer service hasn’t 
been great historically, but when I asked a question last week I got a reply in 
two days, and that was right on new year’s eve when I asked, so I was 
impressed. I worry about any company for the blind or visually impaired if I’m 
honest. so many are moving to phones using speech and abandoning specialized 
equipment. I would be concerned yes, but the display is outstanding, imo the 
hardware is better than vario. I had to send my VU in twice for issues, but not 
the actilino. the actilino also uses an off the shelf battery, so if like my vu 
did the battery goes you can just buy a 7 dollar battery from amazon and 
replace it yourself. I also had to write handitech, or helptech or whatever 
they are now directly once, requesting better software, just ideas for 
improvements, and had someone reply to me twice within an hour. I am not going 
to tell you not to worry at all that they’ll be around, but if it was me I 
would still buy one. as I said the software is awful, but the hardware is 
incredible. 



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I'd at least like to have the option of using it to control my computer. Just 
out of curiosity, because I know you went through the Baum debacle too, do you 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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I'd at least like to have the option of using it to control my computer. Just 
out of curiosity, because I know you went through the Baum debacle too, do you 
ever worry about HandyTech going under?
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:35 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
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> Just for accuracy sake it’s 16, and it scrolls so seamlessly I haven’t 
> noticed. unless you are trying to control your computer I don’t think it 
> would. I absolutely love mine, and it’s battery life is amazing 30 to 40 
> hours.
> 
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> Yeah, the tactile scrolling is the thing that really intrigues me about that 
> line of displays. But I really think that having 14 cells would drive me 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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Just for accuracy sake it’s 16, and it scrolls so seamlessly I haven’t noticed. 
unless you are trying to control your computer I don’t think it would. I 
absolutely love mine, and it’s battery life is amazing 30 to 40 hours.

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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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Yeah, the tactile scrolling is the thing that really intrigues me about that 
line of displays. But I really think that having 14 cells would drive me crazy, 
which means I'm looking at the more expensive model.
Cheers,
Donna


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> I have the actilino, and if you mostly read I can’t recommend it enough. you 
> can scroll without touching a button, in it’s stand alone mode, and with mac 
> and iphone. the software sucks, but if you contract your braille first, and 
> put it on it’s a pleasure to read with, and because of the tactile scrolling 
> it’s a gamechanger reading on kindle. I would buy another one tomorrow if 
> mine was not able to be repaired. 
> 
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> Donna,
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[alia robinson]

I have the actilino, and if you mostly read I can’t recommend it enough. you 
can scroll without touching a button, in it’s stand alone mode, and with mac 
and iphone. the software sucks, but if you contract your braille first, and put 
it on it’s a pleasure to read with, and because of the tactile scrolling it’s a 
gamechanger reading on kindle. I would buy another one tomorrow if mine was not 
able to be repaired. 

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Donna,
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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Thanks, Maurice and ET. Of course I do realize that everyone's mileage will 
vary depending on usage, but it helps to have at least a general idea. The VU 
battery drains fairly quickly, so I'm hoping for better battery life in its 
replacement.
Cheers,
Donna

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> Hi, to answer your questions, the estimated battery life for the bogus 14 
> generation blue is roughly 15 hours. I believe the same is true for the focus 
> 40.
> 
> Please bear in mind however that your battery life will vary depending on 
> usage when it’s on battery. If you’re using it happily say using it with two 
> different devices. I would cut that 15 hour estimate down to something 
> between eight and 10 hours. In other words if you’re out and about and you 
> know you’re going to say a meeting, or class or something that’s gonna take a 
> while and you do not absolutely need to use the display. I would certainly 
> advise turning it off for a while in order to ensure that you can get through 
> your day. The other thing is that battery life can decrease if you’re using 
> the scratchpad as well.
> 
> I hope my comments above will help. Just to let you know I do not work for 
> freedom scientific, or Apple or any entity that has a stake in my answer.  I 
> also want to make it clear that the instruments of battery usage are based on 
> what I have experienced not what’s in the manual.
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[maurice]

 Hi, to answer your questions, the estimated battery life for the bogus 
14 generation blue is roughly 15 hours. I believe the same is true for 
the focus 40.


Please bear in mind however that your battery life will vary depending 
on usage when it’s on battery. If you’re using it happily say using 
it with two different devices. I would cut that 15 hour estimate down to 
something between eight and 10 hours. In other words if you’re out and 
about and you know you’re going to say a meeting, or class or 
something that’s gonna take a while and you do not absolutely need to 
use the display. I would certainly advise turning it off for a while in 
order to ensure that you can get through your day. The other thing is 
that battery life can decrease if you’re using the scratchpad as well.


I hope my comments above will help. Just to let you know I do not work 
for freedom scientific, or Apple or any entity that has a stake in my 
answer.  I also want to make it clear that the instruments of battery 
usage are based on what I have experienced not what’s in the manual.


Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Depends on how you use it of course. I read a lot and can go a few 
days. It charges to full fairly quickly.


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On 1/5/2020 11:33 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks, all. One question, how long is the battery life? Oddly enough, FS 
doesn't seem to put that on their website.
TIA,
Donna



On Jan 5, 2020, at 12:58 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi Donna.

I like the Focus with the IOS devices.  I have two of these, the 14 5th Gen and 
the 40 which I use with my Computer..  I use the 40 Focus with Windows as well 
but the braille on the Mac still has a lot of strange dots but I am not 
familiar how to use it with the Mac as yet because I don’t like the dots when 
things are underlined or bolded on the Mac. I prefer the IOS experience.

Kawal.


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I due this now all the time.I am having no problems at all.

Maurice Mines.
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On 5 Jan 2020, at 6:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi all,

My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. I 
would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. What 
are the pluses? And the minuses?
Thanks,
Donna


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Thanks, all. One question, how long is the battery life? Oddly enough, FS 
doesn't seem to put that on their website.
TIA,
Donna


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> Hi Donna.
> 
> I like the Focus with the IOS devices.  I have two of these, the 14 5th Gen 
> and the 40 which I use with my Computer..  I use the 40 Focus with Windows as 
> well but the braille on the Mac still has a lot of strange dots but I am not 
> familiar how to use it with the Mac as yet because I don’t like the dots when 
> things are underlined or bolded on the Mac. I prefer the IOS experience.
> 
> Kawal.
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>> I due this now all the time.I am having no problems at all.
>> 
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>> On 5 Jan 2020, at 6:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
>>> fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
>>> have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. 
>>> I would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and 
>>> IOS. What are the pluses? And the minuses?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna.

I like the Focus with the IOS devices.  I have two of these, the 14 5th Gen and 
the 40 which I use with my Computer..  I use the 40 Focus with Windows as well 
but the braille on the Mac still has a lot of strange dots but I am not 
familiar how to use it with the Mac as yet because I don’t like the dots when 
things are underlined or bolded on the Mac. I prefer the IOS experience.

Kawal.

> On 5 Jan 2020, at 18:52, maur...@maurice-amines.com wrote:
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> I due this now all the time.I am having no problems at all.
> 
> Maurice Mines.
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> On 5 Jan 2020, at 6:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
>> fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
>> have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. 
>> I would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. 
>> What are the pluses? And the minuses?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[maurice]

I due this now all the time.I am having no problems at all.

Maurice Mines.
Ham call kd0iko.

On 5 Jan 2020, at 6:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi all,

My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and 
get it fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille 
display. Since I don’t have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, 
I’m thinking about the Focus. I would love to hear from anyone 
currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. What are the pluses? And 
the minuses?

Thanks,
Donna


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Re: Streeming Videos from Iphone to Mac, can we?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Are you using the TV app on the iPhone to play the videos, or are they YouTube 
or some other movie streaming service?I can’t answer your question, just trying 
to get more info incase someone else can answer it? 

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> Need to play some videos from my Iphone but need to listen from my Macbook 
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> THanks
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I didn't keep the Active Braille long enough, didn't want to become 
attached to it them lose it. It is a very impressive device and I liked 
the ergonomic display.


   Think you are right about FS. HIMS, from past experience, well, I 
don't know how it stands now. I've had the Focus I think about a year 
and a half. It can be paired to 5 devices.


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On 1/5/2020 10:00 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey ET,

So it sounds like you did find the Active Braille to be a better experience, is 
that right? If so, in what ways?

One reason I'm squeamish about the ActiveBraille is because of my experience 
with the Vario. It was a great display, but it was kind of lousy to buy it and 
then watch Baum go under. HandyTech has been around for a while, and it looks 
like they just got a new name, so maybe got bought by someone? Anyway, to spend 
that much money and then have the company go under is not something I want to 
have to deal with. If I had to put money on which company will be around for 
the long haul, I think FS is the safer bet.
Cheers,
Donna



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Donna,
   I had my hands on an Active Braille and was scared to even evaluate it once 
I learned its cost, knew it would not be funded and I was right.

   I have a Focus Blue 40 cell 5th generation. Since I had that Active Braille 
in my hands, I find the Focus ok. Just ok. It works. It connects to the Mac and 
the iDevices reliably. I've used it mostly on the iDevices.

   Now I am at the point of just using it (and the Bluetooth keyboard). There 
are some anomalies when using braille but don't believe its the fault of the 
Focus. I did some custom command assignments on all 3 devices.

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On 1/5/2020 6:08 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all,
My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. I 
would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. What 
are the pluses? And the minuses?
Thanks,
Donna
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hey ET,

So it sounds like you did find the Active Braille to be a better experience, is 
that right? If so, in what ways?

One reason I'm squeamish about the ActiveBraille is because of my experience 
with the Vario. It was a great display, but it was kind of lousy to buy it and 
then watch Baum go under. HandyTech has been around for a while, and it looks 
like they just got a new name, so maybe got bought by someone? Anyway, to spend 
that much money and then have the company go under is not something I want to 
have to deal with. If I had to put money on which company will be around for 
the long haul, I think FS is the safer bet.
Cheers,
Donna


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> Donna,
>   I had my hands on an Active Braille and was scared to even evaluate it once 
> I learned its cost, knew it would not be funded and I was right.
> 
>   I have a Focus Blue 40 cell 5th generation. Since I had that Active Braille 
> in my hands, I find the Focus ok. Just ok. It works. It connects to the Mac 
> and the iDevices reliably. I've used it mostly on the iDevices.
> 
>   Now I am at the point of just using it (and the Bluetooth keyboard). There 
> are some anomalies when using braille but don't believe its the fault of the 
> Focus. I did some custom command assignments on all 3 devices.
> 
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>> Hi all,
>> My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
>> fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
>> have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. 
>> I would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. 
>> What are the pluses? And the minuses?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>  Sent from my iPad
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Donna,
   I had my hands on an Active Braille and was scared to even evaluate 
it once I learned its cost, knew it would not be funded and I was right.


   I have a Focus Blue 40 cell 5th generation. Since I had that Active 
Braille in my hands, I find the Focus ok. Just ok. It works. It connects 
to the Mac and the iDevices reliably. I've used it mostly on the iDevices.


   Now I am at the point of just using it (and the Bluetooth keyboard). 
There are some anomalies when using braille but don't believe its the 
fault of the Focus. I did some custom command assignments on all 3 devices.


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On 1/5/2020 6:08 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all,

My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. I 
would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. What 
are the pluses? And the minuses?
Thanks,
Donna
  


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Re: iClever bluetooth keyboard

[Erik Burggraaf]

Oit definitely connects to one or more devices and allows you to switch 
back and forth between them. You would have to consult the manual though to 
find out about the device connectivity. I am pretty sure it will only 
connect to one device of a type at any given time. For example, if you have 
an iPhone and an iPad, those are both Apple devices, and will not share the 
Apple setting. If you have an iPhone and a Galaxy tablet, one gets the 
Android setting and one gets the Apple setting and you could switch back 
and forth between the two of them. I think that's how it works, but don't 
quote me.



On January 5, 2020 7:01:02 AM "'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries" 
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Hi,

A question to those who use iClever bluetooth keyboard.  Does this keyboard 
connect to more than one device?


Many thanks

Andrew

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Streeming Videos from Iphone to Mac, can we?

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Hi all:
Need to play some videos from my Iphone but need to listen from my Macbook pro, 
and other people can see from the Mac screen itself, can we perform this?
THanks

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Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. I 
would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. What 
are the pluses? And the minuses?
Thanks,
Donna
 

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Re: iPad Models

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Thanks! That’s handy.
Cheers,
Donna

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>  wrote:
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>    First go to the status bar VO-M then Option-Down for the Control Center 
> and Option-Up for the Notification Center.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 1/4/2020 3:41 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I don’t even know the commands for those. What are they?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Jan 4, 2020, at 5:39 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Another one that seems to need QN on is the control and notification 
>>> centers.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 1/4/2020 2:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Yes.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 Sent from my iPad
>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 2:39 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
> 
>    I have looked at so much, uh, stuff while researching things related 
> to iPadOS and could have missed this. So if I leave QN on, will I also be 
> able to go to the top or bottom within containers like what we see in 
> Settings?
> 
>   One more goodie is pressing and holding Command to get keyboard hints. 
> Nice. What about context menus? A single finger triple tap brings that 
> up? Is there a keyboard shortcut? I am in burn out mode but will recover 
> quickly now that progress is being made. :)
> 
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>> On 1/4/2020 12:23 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Oh, sorry! I assumed that you knew that. Yes, when using a Bluetooth 
>> keyboard with an iPad, you want quick NAV on most of the time. The only 
>> time you really want to turn it off is when you are typing in a document 
>> or an edit field.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Jan 4, 2020, at 1:36 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>>   Found out that Quick Nav has to be on for this to work. Interesting.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 1/4/2020 6:46 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Hey ET,
 On my Logitech SlimCombo, it is Control left arrow to go to top of 
 screen. On the home screen, pressing CTRL-right Arrow once takes you 
 to the dock, and pressing it again takes you to Suggestions. On other 
 screens, I think pressing it once just takes you to bottom of screen, 
 but I'd have to confirm that, and I'm on my Mac right now, not my iPad.
 HTH,
 Donna
>> On Jan 3, 2020, at 6:47 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
> 
>   Simon, on the iPad, what is the keyboard equivalent of the 4 finger 
> tap to go to top or bottom of the screen?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 1/3/2020 3:07 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>> Mini 5 has pretty much the same chip as the current iPad pro 11 & 12 
>> inch devices.
>> Same with the iPad air 10 inch.
>> All of them now allow for the same gestures such as flick up from 
>> the bottm of the screen to the appswitcher,
>> Down one vibration  for control panel /  two vibrations for 
>> notification manager.
>> The only thing the mini lacks is face id which I’ve got no issue 
>> with.
>> *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  *On Behalf Of *matthew dyer
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 4 January 2020 11:23 AM
>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: iPad Models
>> Hi e.t. The ipad mini uses the a12 chip.  I think the iphone 8 uses 
>> the a10 chip.  HTH.
>> Matthew
>> On Jan 3, 2020 1:17 AM, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
>> > > wrote:
>>Simon,
>> I like the mini 4 only because it is the only iPad I have 
>> used,
>>except for the mini 3. Just took a quick look at specs and 
>> prices. The
>>mini 5 might do well. I'm getring used to the BT keyboard which 
>> can
>>connect to up to 3 devices. And there is iCloud Drive so all 
>> devices
>>can
>>share.
>> Given the difference in cost 

Re: iClever bluetooth keyboard

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Andrew,

I have one of these keyboards, but I don't use it often. I *think it does 
connect to more than one device, though I'm not 100% sure.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 6:00 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> A question to those who use iClever bluetooth keyboard.  Does this keyboard 
> connect to more than one device?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Andrew
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iClever bluetooth keyboard

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

A question to those who use iClever bluetooth keyboard.  Does this keyboard 
connect to more than one device?

Many thanks

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Re: Malware Bytes

[gerrycook]

we are 21 or 70 degrees today but there are still watch and act fires still 
burning with some roads closed off but,  later in the week,  the heat will be 
back.  its the remote towns that are suffering through limited access.  and i 
appreciate and thank you for your concern. 

> On 5 Jan 2020, at 8:23 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hey Jerry,
> 
> Change of subject slightly,
> How the temperature in your neighbourhood?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of gerrycook
> Sent: Sunday, 5 January 2020 4:33 AM
> To: Macvisionaries List 
> Subject: Re: Malware Bytes
> 
> Hi well having opened it if you VO to background image VO space on that and 
> after using vo right arrow about 3 to 4 times it should say scan then it 
> tells you what you might or might not hav or congratulations you are clean.  
> I must admit its a pain and it is in menu extras as frontend agent and you 
> get nothing from that so your better off opening it from the applications 
> folder.  I found it by accident so hope that helps i’ll get the dev on to it 
> and see what happens. 
> 
>> On 5 Jan 2020, at 12:47 am, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This is one of the only apps my Apple store techs suggest using. I 
>> downloaded the new version. It doesn't seem accessible at all. I used a 
>> version before and it was very friendly. Has anyone used this app? Am I 
>> missing something?
>> 
>> Thanks for any info.
>> 
>> Kristeen
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Re: Native email client; how do I…

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> OK, thanks much bread!
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RE: Malware Bytes

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hey Jerry,

Change of subject slightly,
How the temperature in your neighbourhood?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of gerrycook
Sent: Sunday, 5 January 2020 4:33 AM
To: Macvisionaries List 
Subject: Re: Malware Bytes

Hi well having opened it if you VO to background image VO space on that and 
after using vo right arrow about 3 to 4 times it should say scan then it tells 
you what you might or might not hav or congratulations you are clean.  I must 
admit its a pain and it is in menu extras as frontend agent and you get nothing 
from that so your better off opening it from the applications folder.  I found 
it by accident so hope that helps i’ll get the dev on to it and see what 
happens. 

> On 5 Jan 2020, at 12:47 am, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is one of the only apps my Apple store techs suggest using. I downloaded 
> the new version. It doesn't seem accessible at all. I used a version before 
> and it was very friendly. Has anyone used this app? Am I missing something?
> 
> Thanks for any info.
> 
> Kristeen
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RE: iPad Models

[Simon A Fogarty]

I keep thinking it's a function ctrl left arrow but I thinking that's on the 
mac book not on my iPad.

I need to find a keyboard for my ipad.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, 5 January 2020 3:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad Models

Hey ET,

On my Logitech SlimCombo, it is Control left arrow to go to top of screen. On 
the home screen, pressing CTRL-right Arrow once takes you to the dock, and 
pressing it again takes you to Suggestions. On other screens, I think pressing 
it once just takes you to bottom of screen, but I'd have to confirm that, and 
I'm on my Mac right now, not my iPad.
HTH,
Donna


> On Jan 3, 2020, at 6:47 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Simon, on the iPad, what is the keyboard equivalent of the 4 finger tap to 
> go to top or bottom of the screen?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
> On 1/3/2020 3:07 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>> Mini 5 has pretty much the same chip as the current iPad pro 11 & 12 inch 
>> devices.
>> Same with the iPad air 10 inch.
>> All of them now allow for the same gestures such as flick up from the 
>> bottm of the screen to the appswitcher, Down one vibration  for control 
>> panel /  two vibrations for notification manager.
>> The only thing the mini lacks is face id which I’ve got no issue with.
>> *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  *On Behalf Of *matthew dyer
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 4 January 2020 11:23 AM
>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: iPad Models
>> Hi e.t. The ipad mini uses the a12 chip.  I think the iphone 8 uses the a10 
>> chip.  HTH.
>> Matthew
>> On Jan 3, 2020 1:17 AM, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>Simon,
>> I like the mini 4 only because it is the only iPad I have used,
>>except for the mini 3. Just took a quick look at specs and prices. The
>>mini 5 might do well. I'm getring used to the BT keyboard which can
>>connect to up to 3 devices. And there is iCloud Drive so all devices
>>can
>>share.
>> Given the difference in cost between Pro and mini, I can live with
>>the mini. I don't know what chip the mini 4 has but my iPhone 8 has it
>>beat. :) Ok found the chip. Yes the mini 5 will almost match the iPhone
>>8. Close enough.
>> Thanks Simon. Appreciate the overview.
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>Many believe that we have been visited
>>in the past. What if it were true?
>>On 1/2/2020 9:35 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>> > I found the pro I had great,
>> >
>> > That's an 11" with smart keyboard etc,
>> >
>> > I never connected to a 1TB drive But I did connect to my network
>>drive to view a movie and that worked fine.
>> >
>> > The air I viewed as being just a slightly larger screen size
>>which now takes a smart keyboard folio and first gen pencil,
>> > But doesn't have the quad speakers
>> > Face ID
>> >
>> > The other thing to think about though is if your liking the iPad
>>mini 4
>> > Then the iPad mini 5 has features of the pro / air but just in
>>the smaller profile.
>> >
>> >   Th eonly thing I'm not happy about with the mini 5 is I can't
>>find a good quality keyboard folio
>> > I'd love to see apple produce a pro mini version
>> > Or at least a mini with the folio keyboard and face id.
>> > Good luck.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>
>> > Sent: Friday, 3 January 2020 5:21 PM
>> > To: MacVisionaries >>
>> > Subject: iPad Models
>> >
>> >  I've an iPad mini 4. Been spending more time with it lately
>>and am curious to know the advantages of the Air as well as the  Pro
>>models.
>> >
>> >  One aspect of the Pro is ability to connect external drives.
>>Any limitations on what the Pro can access? Like a 1tb plus iTunes
>>library?
>> > Thanks.
>> >
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Re: Dropbox has no windows

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Try to go to the menu extra, find the dropbox icon and vo+spacebar on it.  You 
should here a sound and have a look there for various options.  Dropbox has 
changed recently and is more difficult for me to configure.  I’ve already 
reported it to Dropbox team.

Andrew
> On 3 Jan 2020, at 22:40, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
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> I’ve been trying to work on my laptop since my beloved I Mac is dead.  Drop 
> box popped up and said I needed to upgrade, so I followed the prompts and 
> downloaded it from the drop box site.  When I tried to install it, it said 
> dropbox has no windows.  When I tried a second time, I got the message that 
> the operation couldn’t be performed because the app was in use!  
> 
> Can anybody help with this?  How do I get drop box installed?
> 
> Thanks,
> Caitlyn
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