date:20160817

Hi Mary,
I am sorry if you feel I am speaking in any way unfavorably to MR. Korn's
dedication. I am not, since how he personally feels about accessibility
is less important than his ability to insure fully that Amazon's website
complies with standards. As for Kindle progress, I will defer to your
experience as I have never examined a kindle and am not likely to any time
soon. still, was not it you that suggested Peter would not be involved
with nuts and bolts progress since he is senior management?

Kare

On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, Mary Otten wrote:

Well, if you look at what they have done with their Kindle devices in the last
year or year and a half, plus how they have made the Alexa Apple whole lot more
usable, I would say they're moving in the right direction. They are also moving
in the right direction with their screen reader on the Kindle fire, which is
also preliminarily available on the fire TV. Given where Amazon was just a
couple or three years ago, I think they're making good strides. I do certainly
hope that the website sees some serious excess ability improvement. But I don't
think it is fair to call into question Peter's commitment to excess ability. He
has decades in the field and is clearly committed.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi Mary,
Peter Korn's official title is archetype. In a way that at least suggests that
he deals directly with the development and implementation of access standards
in Amazon products. Far more so than say if he was a VP of management.
It is not a question of his focus upon what looks good. It is a question of
what insures access for individuals with various disability experiences.
I know he is talented, i still use outspoken for my pro tools machine. But how
his desires translate into functionality for Amazon remains a mystery given
what I found last night.
Karen

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Mary Otten wrote:

Peter corn is a guy with decades of experience in the excess ability field. He
is not some guy with a disability that some company put front and center just
to make something look good.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Honestly that depends on Mr. Korn's personal background.
Sometimes management leads with their own experience of a disability,
instead of recognizing that inclusion refers to the floor not the person
using the floor.
One does not find a different Walmart for those arriving in a van then say
those on a skateboard, so one should not have a different amazon for those
who prefer less clutter when they shop.
Sometimes, as with say paypal, the person listed as being in charge of
accessibility seemingly gets paid to pretend a disability with a demo.
I have an email from an amazon supervisor stating that the company takes
inclusion seriously. given it is far easier for them to be sued in some
countries where they do business over access than stateside, I intend believing
they sincere until I learn otherwise.
applying a generalized expectation sometimes leads to poor results or so I
personally feel.
Kare

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

No offense on the "excess ability wording so to play on it a bit... If this
upper management is supposed to deal with accessibility, then is it not obvious they
do not know the nuts and bolts thus they need to hear from those these efforts is
supposedly aimed at?

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On 8/16/2016 9:13 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess ability
initiative and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I do know just as
a general rule the people who are in charge of large efforts are not in
the habit of answering nuts and bolts? This on an individual basis, just
based on the fact that they are upper management. So, sure. Right to Peter
corn at that address, assuming it is correct. But if you don't get an
answer, don't be surprised.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T. wrote:
Mary,

Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter Korn is >not
the one to take it to, then who or what or where?

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On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the > > excess ability head
guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that > > address from him personally. That sounds
like something that would not > > be something he would directly deal with as head of the whole
> > department.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T. wrote:
Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, > > > who
knows.
pk...@amazon.com
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Re: IOS & watch beta question

No?  I actually don't get it.  I didn't think you could! lock a watch.  At 
least not legally/legitimately.  What... was it jailbroken or something? 
What did you do?  Try doing what that one idiot did by installing Windows 95 
to the thing?  LOL!  And yes, he really did, and yes, believe it or not, as 
much as I hate saying it, it actually did! work, to some extent, but I'm not 
even about to tell anyone how he diddit.  I don't even know myself, and 
frankly, not only don't care, but don't wanna know either.

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- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question


LoL! I nearly did. But, at the time, my watch was locked, so whatever couldn’t 
be installed. Not gonna say too much on here, obviously. But you get what I’m 
saying.
On 17 Aug 2016, at 14:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


LOL!
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- Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:25 AM
Subject: RE: IOS & watch beta question


Don't tell me that chris, Now I might have to up grade to os watch beta>
Lol.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 2:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question

Um, yeah.  I can't say that I blame you.  I upgraded my watch, but then, I 
see no reason to roll back.  I can't reveal any specifics, but I will say 
I find it to be unbelievably rock solid.

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Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: "christopher hallsworth" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question


Oh, that’s that then. Again, will definitely stay away, until at least it
will be possible to roll back yourself.

On 16 Aug 2016, at 10:46, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Actually, once you've upgraded your watch to a beta version of watchOS,
there is no way to restore back to the shipping version yourself. You 
need

to send your watch back to Apple so they can do it for you.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:


Hi Chris

Fully understand that one,
I do know that if things go crazy the removal is done through the same
process of how you install, its just a case of uninstalling the OS
through removing the profile previously installed.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher
hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 6:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question

I’m staying right where I am. Yes, I could, install watchOS 3.0 beta, 
but

should there be any problems, I would have no clue on how to restore it
back to version 2.22. Good luck.

On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Team,

I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?

I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to
install the lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe
it has yet installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I 
wrong

in this and 2.22 is the current beta version, Can anyone advise.

Chers,


Simon f.

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Re: home kit clarification, was Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

Aa!  That definitely does explain things, Mike.  Yes.

Thank you for the clarification.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Michael Babcock 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 12:48 PM
  Subject: home kit clarification, was Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa


  So i understand the confusion here.


  The"home" app that you see on your IOS 10 beta devices is an application that 
allows you to easily interact with all devices that support home kit.
  It used to be that you had to access every application for each of your home 
kit  devices. For example, you would have an application for your door locks, 
and another application for your lights, then maybe a third application for 
your coffee maker.
  The "home" app found in IOS 10 combines all of these services into one 
location, kind of like the"health" app, which can obtain data from other 
applications and put it into one centralized location.
  "Home" will now allow you to quickly turn on your lights, unlock your doors, 
and start the coffee pot, all from one location now instead of having to open 
each of those applications.


  Hopefully that provide some clarification for people who are confused on why 
they don't see the  "home" app on their earlier devices, however be assured 
that home kit  has been around for a while, it's just now starting to hit 
mainstream though.


  Pratik Patil wrote an article called "Apple's homekit explained : All you 
need to know ! on Next thinkerz” back in 2015:
  http://www.nextthinkerz.com/2015/06/apples-homekit-explained-all-you-need.html
  and another article posted on fast Company: "Why Apple HomeKit Seems Boring 
Right Now” may be worth your read as well.
  
http://www.fastcompany.com/3062760/tim-cooks-apple/why-apple-homekit-seems-boring-right-now
  Hopefully this is helped with the clarification, make it an amazing Wednesday


  ***
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On Aug 17, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


That's kind a what I thought too, but ok, yeah... I don't clame to know 
everything.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:36 AM
  Subject: RE: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa


  I thought it was only from IOS 10 upwards,

  I know it’s not showing on my iPod touch 6 which is running ios 9x but is 
on my phone running beta 10

  From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
  Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 3:35 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

  OK, I stand corrected then, thanks for the heads up, and my apology.
  ---
  Christopher Gilland
  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

  clgillan...@gmail.com
  Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: Michael Babcock
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

no home kit is an IOS9 feature: 
http://www.apple.com/ios/homekit/

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Your Own Pay
Lets Connect On Twitter
@payown
Or facebook
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  On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

  I don't think homekit is available yet unless you have iOS 10, which 
we cannot discuss here.  Someone correct me on the former of those two facts, 
if I'm wrong.
  ---
  Christopher Gilland
  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

  clgillan...@gmail.com
  Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - From: "ben J. Bloomgren" 

  To: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 

  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:40 PM
  Subject: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa


  Hello all,

  My family recently got an Ecobee Smart thermostat. It turns out that 
we did not get the correct version to work with Apple HomeKit. However, I fear 
that it works with Amazon Alexa. Has anybody on here used this or similar smart 
thermostat with Alexa for iOS? What is your experience?

  Ben

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  The

Re: amazon's accesability contact.

2016-08-17 Thread E.T.

   :) I will leave well enough alone. This is not the forum for it.

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On 8/17/2016 1:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Perhaps my turn to raise a Vulcan eyebrow in confusion.
According to some sources there are perhaps over 400 million individuals
on the planet experiencing sight loss...educated by whom and qualified
for what?
I am  thinking of the doctors lawyers, scientists and even members of
Parliament at the moment smiles.
 Not that access and inclusion is about blindness  so to speak.
Kare

On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

Simon,
  Yeah I know. If blind people were better educated and better
qualified. it might be a different story.

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On 8/17/2016 3:49 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

 ET,

  I can speak as both a blind person and someone that has senior
management
  people saying it's not an issue when advised of accessibility issues.

  I work for an organisation that calls itself an EEO that stands for
Equal
  Opotunity employer,

  I work in the area of IT Support and desktop administration.

 We have in the passed 18 months had a new managed windows desktop
 environment installed this was mentioned on this list a month or so
back.
 It's a citrix based xen system which does not allow for screan reader
 access for those of us with sight issues.

 Yet I'm expected to support this system without adaptive
accessibility and
 my director says well we're not bothering to do anything about it as
it's
 only an issue for 1 person.

 Other systems that are still being implemented are flash based and
proving
 to be issues and again I get well we're not changing things and the
best
 one, we'll find something else for you to do...

 Just a couple of vews to think of.

  Not everyone is willing to pull their head out of their A hole.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
 Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 4:19 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.

 No offense on the "excess ability wording so to play on it a bit...
 If this upper management is supposed to deal with accessibility,
then is
 it not obvious they do not know the nuts and bolts thus they need to
hear
 from those these efforts is supposedly aimed at?

  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 8/16/2016 9:13 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>  I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess
ability >  initiative and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I
do know just >  as a general rule the people who are in charge of
large efforts are not >  in the habit of answering nuts and bolts?
This on an individual basis, >  just based on the fact that they are
upper management. So, sure. Right >  to Peter corn at that address,
assuming it is correct. But if you don't >  get an answer, don't be
surprised.
>  Mary
> > >  Sent from my iPhone
> > >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T. 
wrote:
> > > >  Mary,
> >Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter
Korn is > >not the one to take it to, then who or what or where?
> > > >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> >  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > > >  On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> > >  Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter
corn, > > >  the excess ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect
a reply > > >  from that address from him personally. That sounds
like something > > >  that would not be something he would directly
deal with as head of > > >  the whole department.
> > >  Mary
> > > > > > > > >  Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.
 > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >   Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out
of service now, > > > >   who knows.
> > > > > > > >  pk...@amazon.com
> > > > > > > >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > > >  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> > > >  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > > > > > > >  On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > >  ...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital
> > > > >  orders, and locate my items, and choose download your
music...I
> > > > >  reach an error that says "we are having a problem with
your > > > > >  music
> > > > >  orders.
> > > > >  I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my
> > > > >  question is for  a direct accessibility contact, not > > >
> >  instructions.
> > > > >  Thanks,
> > > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Mark Taylor posted some information probably
last year about
> > > > > >  downloading music via web interface.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  I have not done this as I have not bought
music in a while. I > > > > > >

Re: amazon's accesability contact.

2016-08-17 Thread Mary Otten

Well, if you look at what they have done with their Kindle devices in the last 
year or year and a half, plus how they have made the Alexa Apple whole lot more 
usable, I would say they're moving in the right direction. They are also moving 
in the right direction with their screen reader on the Kindle fire, which is 
also preliminarily available on the fire TV. Given where Amazon was just a 
couple or three years ago, I think they're making good strides. I do certainly 
hope that the website sees some serious excess ability improvement. But I don't 
think it is fair to call into question Peter's commitment to excess ability. He 
has decades in the field and is clearly committed.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 17, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> Peter Korn's official title is archetype.  In a way that at least suggests 
> that he deals directly with the development and implementation of access 
> standards in Amazon products.  Far more so than say if he was a VP of 
> management.
> It is not a question of  his focus upon what looks good.  It is a question of 
> what insures access for individuals with various disability experiences.
> I know he is talented, i still use outspoken for my pro tools machine. But 
> how his desires translate into functionality for Amazon remains a mystery 
> given what I found last night.
> Karen
> 
> 
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Mary Otten wrote:
>> 
>> Peter corn is a guy with decades of experience in the excess ability field. 
>> He is not some guy with a disability that some company put front and center 
>> just to make something look good.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Honestly that depends on Mr. Korn's personal background.
>>> Sometimes  management  leads with their  own experience of a disability, 
>>> instead  of recognizing  that  inclusion refers to the floor not the person 
>>> using  the floor.
>>> One does not find a different  Walmart for those arriving  in a van   then 
>>> say those on a skateboard, so one should not have a different amazon for 
>>> those   who prefer less clutter when they shop.
>>> Sometimes, as with say paypal, the person listed as being in  charge of 
>>> accessibility seemingly gets paid to pretend a disability with a  demo.
>>> I have an email from an amazon supervisor stating that the company takes 
>>> inclusion  seriously.  given it is far easier for them to be sued  in some 
>>> countries where they do business over access than stateside, I intend 
>>> believing they sincere until I learn otherwise.
>>> applying a generalized expectation sometimes leads to poor results or so I 
>>> personally feel.
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
 
 No offense on the "excess ability wording so to play on it a bit... If 
 this upper management is supposed to deal with accessibility, then is it 
 not obvious they do not know the nuts and bolts thus they need to hear 
 from those these efforts is supposedly aimed at?
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 8/16/2016 9:13 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess ability
> initiative and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I do know just as
> a general rule the people who are in charge of large efforts are not in
> the habit of answering nuts and bolts? This on an individual basis, just
> based on the fact that they are upper management. So, sure. Right to Peter
> corn at that address, assuming it is correct. But if you don't get an
> answer, don't be surprised.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> Mary,
>>   Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter Korn is > 
>>not the one to take it to, then who or what or where?
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the > 
>>> >  excess ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from 
>>> that > >  address from him personally. That sounds like something that 
>>> would not > >  be something he would directly deal with as head of the 
>>> whole > >  department.
>>> Mary
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>>  Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, 
>>> > > >   who knows.
>>> pk...@amazon.com
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Re: amazon's accesability contact.

Perhaps my turn to raise a Vulcan eyebrow in confusion.
According to some sources there are perhaps over 400 million individuals 
on the planet experiencing sight loss...educated by whom and qualified for 
what?
I am  thinking of the doctors lawyers, scientists and even members of 
Parliament at the moment smiles.

 Not that access and inclusion is about blindness  so to speak.
Kare

On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

Simon,
  Yeah I know. If blind people were better educated and better qualified. it 
might be a different story.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/17/2016 3:49 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

 ET,

  I can speak as both a blind person and someone that has senior management
  people saying it's not an issue when advised of accessibility issues.

  I work for an organisation that calls itself an EEO that stands for Equal
  Opotunity employer,

  I work in the area of IT Support and desktop administration.

 We have in the passed 18 months had a new managed windows desktop
 environment installed this was mentioned on this list a month or so back.
 It's a citrix based xen system which does not allow for screan reader
 access for those of us with sight issues.

 Yet I'm expected to support this system without adaptive accessibility and
 my director says well we're not bothering to do anything about it as it's
 only an issue for 1 person.

 Other systems that are still being implemented are flash based and proving
 to be issues and again I get well we're not changing things and the best
 one, we'll find something else for you to do...

 Just a couple of vews to think of.

  Not everyone is willing to pull their head out of their A hole.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
 Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 4:19 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.

 No offense on the "excess ability wording so to play on it a bit...
 If this upper management is supposed to deal with accessibility, then is
 it not obvious they do not know the nuts and bolts thus they need to hear
 from those these efforts is supposedly aimed at?

  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 8/16/2016 9:13 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>  I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess ability 
>  initiative and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I do know just 
>  as a general rule the people who are in charge of large efforts are not 
>  in the habit of answering nuts and bolts? This on an individual basis, 
>  just based on the fact that they are upper management. So, sure. Right 
>  to Peter corn at that address, assuming it is correct. But if you don't 
>  get an answer, don't be surprised.

>  Mary
> 
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> > 
> >  Mary,
> >Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter Korn is 
> >not the one to take it to, then who or what or where?
> > 
> >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

> >  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> >  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > 
> > >  On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> > >  Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, 
> > >  the excess ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply 
> > >  from that address from him personally. That sounds like something 
> > >  that would not be something he would directly deal with as head of 
> > >  the whole department.

> > >  Mary
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > > >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >   Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, 
> > > >   who knows.
> > > > 
> > > >  pk...@amazon.com
> > > > 
> > > >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

> > > >  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> > > >  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > > 
> > > > >  On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> > > > >  ...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital
> > > > >  orders, and locate my items, and choose download your music...I
> > > > >  reach an error that says "we are having a problem with your 
> > > > >  music

> > > > >  orders.
> > > > >  I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my
> > > > >  question is for  a direct accessibility contact, not 
> > > > >  instructions.

> > > > >  Thanks,
> > > > >  Kare
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >  On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about

> > > > > >  downloading music via web interface.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I 
> > > > > >  am

> > > > > >  pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  As an alternative, you can download your music directly

RE: amazon's accesability contact.


Simon,
There is a fine chance that you might.  At the very least NZ Ratified the 
UN  Convention  on the rights of people with disabilities a few years 
back.  In   many countries the treaty carries the rule of law.
I have asked for some contacts who may help among the Web Access 
initiative people,  some of whom are in your area.  with the time 
difference it may be Thursday northern hemisphere, but I will share off 
list.

Kare


On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Hell I wish we had legal stuff like that here in nz, I'd then be able to stick 
it up my bosses nose and say smoke this!



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 3:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.

Ehh? Ka!  Brown Noser!  You sure know your stuff.  LOL!  NO, I'm just 
kidding with ya.  but Seriously though, thank you for the information.
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- Original Message -
From: "Karen Lewellen" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.



web access content guidelines, 2.0  developed by the w3c, these rules
govern accessibility and inclusive web design in many countries.
Reflected in  say section 508, stateside,  and considered by some to be
the web extension of the Americans with disabilities act.

In some places failing to follow WACG 2.0  is a violation of human rights
laws   since a person with a disability is equally entitled to access
goods and services.


On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


What?  I'm totally confused at your message here.  What on earth is Wacg
2.0? LOL!  Smile.
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- Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen"

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.



 wacg 2.0 is based in keyboard input,  not operating system.  I am told
by
 amazon that I can download using my keyboard, no extra downloader
 required.
 hopefully your tips will help others, but it will not help here...which
is
 why I desire the amazon contact.
 thanks,
 Kare

 On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Arnold Schmidt wrote:



 I know nothing about how accessible it is, I am just passing along
what I found. In Windows, one needs the Amazon mp3 downloader to
download these files. I googled to find out if there is such a thing
for the mac, and apparently there is. Google Amazon mp3 downloader for
mac, and if it finds something, install it and see if you can use it.
Being so new to the mac, I definitely would not be the one to test
this mp3 downloader.

 Arnold Schmidt



 Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

 On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Karen Lewellen
 wrote:

 Hi folks,
 I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name
and e-mail.
 I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three
files, that I have purchased.
 Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am
told by a supervisor should not be the case.
 Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely
going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I
require them under deadline.
 Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the
access page is worse than the rest oft he site.
 ideas?
 Kare


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Questions regarding a external numpad keys and external wireless mouse

2016-08-17 Thread Helga Schreiber

Hi all! How are you all? The subject lines says it all. I want to buy an 
external numpad keys for my Mac computer. My questions is, would any external 
numpad keys will work for Mac computer? On my Mac computer, I use VOiceover and 
 also windows, if I buy a numpad keys  would it  work with my computer in both 
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mouse on my old windows  computer, would that wireless mouse work with my 
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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

Hi Mary,
Peter Korn's official title is archetype. In a way that at least suggests
that he deals directly with the development and implementation of access
standards in Amazon products. Far more so than say if he was a VP of
management.
It is not a question of his focus upon what looks good. It is a question
of what insures
access for individuals with various disability experiences.
I know he is talented, i still use outspoken for my pro tools machine.
But how his desires translate into functionality for Amazon remains a
mystery given what I found last night.

Karen

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Mary Otten wrote:

Peter corn is a guy with decades of experience in the excess ability field. He
is not some guy with a disability that some company put front and center just
to make something look good.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T. wrote:

Mary,

Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter Korn is >
not the one to take it to, then who or what or where?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...

Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T. wrote:

Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, > > > who
knows.
pk...@amazon.com
From E.T.'s Keyboard...

Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital > > > > orders,
and
locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error > > > >
that
says
"we are having a problem with your music orders.
I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my > > > > question
is
for a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
Thanks,
Kare

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about

downloading music via web interface.

I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am

pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.

As an alternative, you can download your music directly through > > > > > your

web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely > > > > > redesigned
web
browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download > > > > > albums
and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a > > > > > file
format that compresses content for quicker transfer.

You can download music through your browser after completing a > > > > >
Digital

Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
(https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library

Re: IOS & watch beta question

2016-08-17 Thread christopher hallsworth

LoL! I nearly did. But, at the time, my watch was locked, so whatever couldn’t 
be installed. Not gonna say too much on here, obviously. But you get what I’m 
saying.
> On 17 Aug 2016, at 14:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
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> LOL!
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> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:25 AM
> Subject: RE: IOS & watch beta question
> 
> 
> Don't tell me that chris, Now I might have to up grade to os watch beta>
> Lol.
> 
> 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question
> 
> Um, yeah.  I can't say that I blame you.  I upgraded my watch, but then, I 
> see no reason to roll back.  I can't reveal any specifics, but I will say I 
> find it to be unbelievably rock solid.
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> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 5:00 PM
> Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question
> 
> 
> Oh, that’s that then. Again, will definitely stay away, until at least it
> will be possible to roll back yourself.
>> On 16 Aug 2016, at 10:46, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, once you've upgraded your watch to a beta version of watchOS,
>> there is no way to restore back to the shipping version yourself. You need
>> to send your watch back to Apple so they can do it for you.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Chris
>>> 
>>> Fully understand that one,
>>> I do know that if things go crazy the removal is done through the same
>>> process of how you install, its just a case of uninstalling the OS
>>> through removing the profile previously installed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher
>>> hallsworth
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 6:59 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question
>>> 
>>> I’m staying right where I am. Yes, I could, install watchOS 3.0 beta, but
>>> should there be any problems, I would have no clue on how to restore it
>>> back to version 2.22. Good luck.
 On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Team,
 
 I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?
 
 I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to
 install the lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe
 it has yet installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I wrong
 in this and 2.22 is the current beta version, Can anyone advise.
 
 Chers,
 
 
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Re: I hate mouse keys!!!

Hi Tim,

You just made my day!!!

The problem is that I manage to do this to myself about once a year, by which 
time, I've already forgotten how I disabled it the last time. :)  So, I'm very 
happy to know there's a way to just turn this feature off.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Aug 17, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Mouse-keys can be toggled on and off by pressing the Option key five times.  
> If your keyboard is getting tired, sometimes the Option key sort of presses 
> multiple times when you have it down which will thus turn your mouse-keys on. 
>  The easiest thing to do to fix this issue is to turn off the five presses of 
> the Option key feature.  To turn this feature off, go to System Preferences, 
> Accessibility, then select Mouse and racked from the table.  Stop interacting 
> with the table and navigate right to the Options button.  In the dialog that 
> appears, uncheck the item that talks about toggling Mouse-keys on/off with 
> the Option key.  Now, as long as mouse-keys are off, that toggle will not 
> turn them on.  The only way you'll be able to turn Mouse-keys on will be to 
> check the box in the Accessibility pane.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 17, 2016, at 07:37, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Can somebody please tell me how to turn those stupid things off? And while 
> I'm at it, is there a way to permanently disable them?
> Thanks,
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Re: text navigation help

2016-08-17 Thread Anne Robertson

Here is a full list of the commands:
Right one character - Right Arrow;

Left one character - Left Arrow;

Right one word - Option-Right Arrow;

Left one word - Option-Left Arrow;

Go to the end of the line - Cmd-Right Arrow;

Go to the beginning of the line - Cmd-Left Arrow;

Go to previous line - Up Arrow;

Go to next line - Down Arrow;

Go to the beginning of the paragraph - Option-Up Arrow;

Go to the end of the paragraph - Option-Down Arrow;

Go to the beginning of the document - Cmd-Up Arrow;

Go to the end of the document - Cmd-Down Arrow.

Add the Shift key to any of these commands to select the text.

Pressing the Return key signals the end of a paragraph, but you can use a line 
break (Ctrl-Return) to go to the next line while still in the same paragraph. 
In Pages, Cmd-FN-Return on a laptop, or Cmd-Enter on an extended keyboard, 
forces a page break.

Cheers,

Anne



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> 
> Good question as I've been having trouble with this, too.
> Thanks everyone.
> Vaughn
> 
> On 8/16/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
>> Left and right arrows to move character by character.  Make sure quick nav
>> isn't on.
>> 
>> Option+left and right arrow, again be sure quick nav isn't on, to move word
>> 
>> by word.  Up and down arrow, make sure quick nav isn't on, to move line by
>> line.
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>> To: 
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>> Subject: text navigation help
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi everybody, please help, while in text edit how do I move caricter by
>>> caricter and word by word? I want to go through a document in an other
>>> language and edit it. Also I want to visually see as I'm moving what's in
>>> the curser. So as I hear voiceover and use the keyboard I also want to
>>> see
>>> this visually.
>>> Any help please?
>>> Regards
>>> Zoe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
>>> said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
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>>> hope is that it won't be too late..
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Re: text navigation help

2016-08-17 Thread Vaughn Brown

Good question as I've been having trouble with this, too.
Thanks everyone.
Vaughn

On 8/16/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
> Left and right arrows to move character by character.  Make sure quick nav
> isn't on.
>
> Option+left and right arrow, again be sure quick nav isn't on, to move word
>
> by word.  Up and down arrow, make sure quick nav isn't on, to move line by
> line.
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> - Original Message -
> From: "zoe fiogkos" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:32 PM
> Subject: text navigation help
>
>
>> Hi everybody, please help, while in text edit how do I move caricter by
>> caricter and word by word? I want to go through a document in an other
>> language and edit it. Also I want to visually see as I'm moving what's in
>> the curser. So as I hear voiceover and use the keyboard I also want to
>> see
>> this visually.
>> Any help please?
>> Regards
>> Zoe
>>
>>
>> by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
>> said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
>> faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My
>> only
>> hope is that it won't be too late..
>>
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home kit clarification, was Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

2016-08-17 Thread Michael Babcock

So i understand the confusion here.

The"home" app that you see on your IOS 10 beta devices is an application that 
allows you to easily interact with all devices that support home kit.
It used to be that you had to access every application for each of your home 
kit  devices. For example, you would have an application for your door locks, 
and another application for your lights, then maybe a third application for 
your coffee maker.
The "home" app found in IOS 10 combines all of these services into one 
location, kind of like the"health" app, which can obtain data from other 
applications and put it into one centralized location.
"Home" will now allow you to quickly turn on your lights, unlock your doors, 
and start the coffee pot, all from one location now instead of having to open 
each of those applications.

Hopefully that provide some clarification for people who are confused on why 
they don't see the  "home" app on their earlier devices, however be assured 
that home kit  has been around for a while, it's just now starting to hit 
mainstream though.

Pratik Patil wrote an article called "Apple's homekit explained : All you need 
to know ! on Next thinkerz” back in 2015:
http://www.nextthinkerz.com/2015/06/apples-homekit-explained-all-you-need.html 

and another article posted on fast Company: "Why Apple HomeKit Seems Boring 
Right Now” may be worth your read as well.
http://www.fastcompany.com/3062760/tim-cooks-apple/why-apple-homekit-seems-boring-right-now

Hopefully this is helped with the clarification, make it an amazing Wednesday

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> On Aug 17, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> That's kind a what I thought too, but ok, yeah... I don't clame to know 
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Simon Fogarty 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:36 AM
>> Subject: RE: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa
>> 
>> I thought it was only from IOS 10 upwards,
>>  
>> I know it’s not showing on my iPod touch 6 which is running ios 9x but is on 
>> my phone running beta 10
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 3:35 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa
>>  
>> OK, I stand corrected then, thanks for the heads up, and my apology.
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>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Michael Babcock 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa
>>>  
>>> no home kit is an IOS9 feature: 
>>> http://www.apple.com/ios/homekit/ 
>>>  
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>>>  
 On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 > wrote:

 I don't think homekit is available yet unless you have iOS 10, which we 
 cannot discuss here.  Someone correct me on the former of those two facts, 
 if I'm wrong.
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 - Original Message - From: "ben J. Bloomgren" 
 >
 To: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >
 Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:40 PM
 Subject: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

 Hello all,

 My family recently got an

Re: I hate mouse keys!!!

2016-08-17 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi Donna,

Mouse-keys can be toggled on and off by pressing the Option key five times.  If 
your keyboard is getting tired, sometimes the Option key sort of presses 
multiple times when you have it down which will thus turn your mouse-keys on.  
The easiest thing to do to fix this issue is to turn off the five presses of 
the Option key feature.  To turn this feature off, go to System Preferences, 
Accessibility, then select Mouse and racked from the table.  Stop interacting 
with the table and navigate right to the Options button.  In the dialog that 
appears, uncheck the item that talks about toggling Mouse-keys on/off with the 
Option key.  Now, as long as mouse-keys are off, that toggle will not turn them 
on.  The only way you'll be able to turn Mouse-keys on will be to check the box 
in the Accessibility pane.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 17, 2016, at 07:37, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Can somebody please tell me how to turn those stupid things off? And while I'm 
at it, is there a way to permanently disable them?
Thanks,
Donna
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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

2016-08-17 Thread E.T.


Simon,
   Yeah I know. If blind people were better educated and better 
qualified. it might be a different story.


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On 8/17/2016 3:49 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

ET,

 I can speak as both a blind person and someone that has senior management 
people saying it's not an issue when advised of accessibility issues.

 I work for an organisation that calls itself an EEO that stands for Equal 
Opotunity employer,

 I work in the area of IT Support and desktop administration.

We have in the passed 18 months had a new managed windows desktop environment 
installed this was mentioned on this list a month or so back. It's a citrix 
based xen system which does not allow for screan reader access for those of us 
with sight issues.

Yet I'm expected to support this system without adaptive accessibility and my 
director says well we're not bothering to do anything about it as it's only an 
issue for 1 person.

Other systems that are still being implemented are flash based and proving to 
be issues and again I get well we're not changing things and the best one, 
we'll find something else for you to do...



Just a couple of vews to think of.

 Not everyone is willing to pull their head out of their A hole.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 4:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.

No offense on the "excess ability wording so to play on it a bit...
If this upper management is supposed to deal with accessibility, then is it not 
obvious they do not know the nuts and bolts thus they need to hear from those 
these efforts is supposedly aimed at?

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On 8/16/2016 9:13 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess ability initiative 
and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I do know just as a general rule 
the people who are in charge of large efforts are not in the habit of answering 
nuts and bolts? This on an individual basis, just based on the fact that they 
are upper management. So, sure. Right to Peter corn at that address, assuming 
it is correct. But if you don't get an answer, don't be surprised.
Mary


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On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Mary,
  Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter Korn is not the 
one to take it to, then who or what or where?

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On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the excess 
ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that address from 
him personally. That sounds like something that would not be something he would 
directly deal with as head of the whole department.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, who knows.

pk...@amazon.com

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On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital
orders, and locate my items, and choose download your music...I
reach an error that says "we are having a problem with your music
orders.
I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my
question is for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
Thanks,
Kare



On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about
downloading music via web interface.

I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am
pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.

As an alternative, you can download your music directly through
your web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely
redesigned web browser downloading. It now gives you the option
to download albums and multiple tracks at the same time using
.ZIP files. ZIP is a file format that compresses content for quicker transfer.

You can download music through your browser after completing a
Digital Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
(https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library
https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary

Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click
the "Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon
Music app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download
music files directly."

For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically
in a pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You
can click the files in the download window once they're ready to
save to your computer. If you've only selected one song, it
downloads as an

Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

2016-08-17 Thread Peg Jolene

Hi! I use a Sensi Wi-Fi thermostat. It works well with voiceover and its own 
app, and you can raise and lower the temp with Alexa!

Peg Jolene


> On Aug 17, 2016, at 6:50 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I use the Honeywell Smart WIFI thermostat with voice control.  You can use 
> its built in voice control to control it as well as Alexa.  Alexa can only 
> raise and lower the temp.
> It works well with its own app as far as being VoiceOver compatible.
> 
> I tried the Ecobee 3 as a  demo as one of the Ecobee reps let me play with 
> his account for a couple of hours.
> I couldn't independently change the thermostat using the iOS app from say 78 
> to 80.  You need to drag the temp with your finger and I never got it to 
> work.  I purchased the Ecobee but for me not being able to change the temp 
> without using Alexa or voice control was a deal braker. I couldn't even doit 
> on the computer.
> The Ecobee app in iOS was very hard and clumsy to use.  In Android I never 
> got it to work.
> 
> The above are just my thoughts and why I returned the unopened package I 
> purchased and ended up keeping the Honeywell.
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>  Original Message 
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> Sent: Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 8:40 PM EST
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> My family recently got an Ecobee Smart thermostat. It turns out that we did 
> not get the correct version to work with Apple HomeKit. However, I fear that 
> it works with Amazon Alexa. Has anybody on here used this or similar smart 
> thermostat with Alexa for iOS? What is your experience?
> 
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disregard mouse key message, got them turned off.

Subject says it all.
Cheers,
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I hate mouse keys!!!

Can somebody please tell me how to turn those stupid things off? And while I'm 
at it, is there a way to permanently disable them?
Thanks,
Donna
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Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

That's kind a what I thought too, but ok, yeah... I don't clame to know 
everything.
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  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:36 AM
  Subject: RE: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa


  I thought it was only from IOS 10 upwards,

   

  I know it’s not showing on my iPod touch 6 which is running ios 9x but is on 
my phone running beta 10

   

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
  Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 3:35 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

   

  OK, I stand corrected then, thanks for the heads up, and my apology.

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From: Michael Babcock 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:27 PM

Subject: Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

 

no home kit is an IOS9 feature: 

http://www.apple.com/ios/homekit/

 

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  On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

   

  I don't think homekit is available yet unless you have iOS 10, which we 
cannot discuss here.  Someone correct me on the former of those two facts, if 
I'm wrong.
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  - Original Message - From: "ben J. Bloomgren" 

  To: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:40 PM
  Subject: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa


  Hello all,

  My family recently got an Ecobee Smart thermostat. It turns out that we 
did not get the correct version to work with Apple HomeKit. However, I fear 
that it works with Amazon Alexa. Has anybody on here used this or similar smart 
thermostat with Alexa for iOS? What is your experience?

  Ben

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Re: IOS & watch beta question


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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:25 AM
Subject: RE: IOS & watch beta question


Don't tell me that chris, Now I might have to up grade to os watch beta>
Lol.


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Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 2:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question

Um, yeah.  I can't say that I blame you.  I upgraded my watch, but then, I 
see no reason to roll back.  I can't reveal any specifics, but I will say I 
find it to be unbelievably rock solid.

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From: "christopher hallsworth" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question


Oh, that’s that then. Again, will definitely stay away, until at least it
will be possible to roll back yourself.

On 16 Aug 2016, at 10:46, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Actually, once you've upgraded your watch to a beta version of watchOS,
there is no way to restore back to the shipping version yourself. You need
to send your watch back to Apple so they can do it for you.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:


Hi Chris

Fully understand that one,
I do know that if things go crazy the removal is done through the same
process of how you install, its just a case of uninstalling the OS
through removing the profile previously installed.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher
hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 6:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question

I’m staying right where I am. Yes, I could, install watchOS 3.0 beta, but
should there be any problems, I would have no clue on how to restore it
back to version 2.22. Good luck.

On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Team,

I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?

I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to
install the lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe
it has yet installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I wrong
in this and 2.22 is the current beta version, Can anyone advise.

Chers,


Simon f.

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Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

Hi all,

Just to add to this, we use the Nest thermostats.  The computer interface--at 
least last time I looked--was awful, but the thermostat is easy to control from 
the iPhone.  You can do everything, change from heat to cool, turn on and off, 
and adjust temperature.  However, to my knowledge there's no way to control it 
using Voice.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 17, 2016, at 6:50 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I use the Honeywell Smart WIFI thermostat with voice control.  You can use 
> its built in voice control to control it as well as Alexa.  Alexa can only 
> raise and lower the temp.
> It works well with its own app as far as being VoiceOver compatible.
> 
> I tried the Ecobee 3 as a  demo as one of the Ecobee reps let me play with 
> his account for a couple of hours.
> I couldn't independently change the thermostat using the iOS app from say 78 
> to 80.  You need to drag the temp with your finger and I never got it to 
> work.  I purchased the Ecobee but for me not being able to change the temp 
> without using Alexa or voice control was a deal braker. I couldn't even doit 
> on the computer.
> The Ecobee app in iOS was very hard and clumsy to use.  In Android I never 
> got it to work.
> 
> The above are just my thoughts and why I returned the unopened package I 
> purchased and ended up keeping the Honeywell.
> 
> 
> 
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>  Original Message 
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> Sent: Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 8:40 PM EST
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
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> 
> Hello all,
> 
> My family recently got an Ecobee Smart thermostat. It turns out that we did 
> not get the correct version to work with Apple HomeKit. However, I fear that 
> it works with Amazon Alexa. Has anybody on here used this or similar smart 
> thermostat with Alexa for iOS? What is your experience?
> 
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Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

2016-08-17 Thread Chris G


Hi,
I use the Honeywell Smart WIFI thermostat with voice control.  You can 
use its built in voice control to control it as well as Alexa.  Alexa 
can only raise and lower the temp.

It works well with its own app as far as being VoiceOver compatible.

I tried the Ecobee 3 as a  demo as one of the Ecobee reps let me play 
with his account for a couple of hours.
I couldn't independently change the thermostat using the iOS app from 
say 78 to 80.  You need to drag the temp with your finger and I never 
got it to work.  I purchased the Ecobee but for me not being able to 
change the temp without using Alexa or voice control was a deal braker. 
I couldn't even doit on the computer.
The Ecobee app in iOS was very hard and clumsy to use.  In Android I 
never got it to work.


The above are just my thoughts and why I returned the unopened package I 
purchased and ended up keeping the Honeywell.




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Hello all,

My family recently got an Ecobee Smart thermostat. It turns out that we 
did not get the correct version to work with Apple HomeKit. However, I 
fear that it works with Amazon Alexa. Has anybody on here used this or 
similar smart thermostat with Alexa for iOS? What is your experience?


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Re: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

2016-08-17 Thread Douglas Lawlor


You are welcome.

Doug


Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Oh cool, thanx for the info on this.
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Jessica
>> I just figured out how to do this. 
>> 
>> 1. In the FaceBook app Double tap the "Search Facebook" at the top of the 
>> screen below the status bar. 
>> 2. Type your text in the edit box. 
>> 3. After a few seconds swipe right and you should see results. 
>> 4. If you press the search button on the on screen keyboard you will get a 
>> new screen containing results. 
>> 5. Towards the top of this screen you will see the different items you can 
>> select such as people, places, photos, pages, etc. Do not tap on any of 
>> these. The search results containing text are below and can be accessed. 
>> 
>> How to Do this with a keyboard. 
>> 
>> 1. In the Facebook app Press Control + UpArrow to go to the top of the 
>> screen. 
>> 2. Press Up + Down Arrow to activate the search FaceBook item. 
>> 3. You should hear something like "Edit Text Field, QuickNav off, Search 
>> FaceBook". 
>> 4. QuickNav is not off so press Left + Right Arrow to turn it off again. 
>> 5. Enter your search text and turn QuickNav back on. 
>> 6. Wait a second or two then navigate right and you should see search 
>> results. 
>> 7. If you press the enter key after typing your text you will get a new 
>> screen. 
>> 8. Towards the top of this screen you will see the different items you can 
>> select such as people, places, photos, pages, etc. Do not tap on any of 
>> these. The search results containing text are below and can be accessed. 
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know, I wish they’d stop changing it so much, and just leave it the way 
>>> it was.  It used to be easy as ever to use and as soon as we all get used 
>>> to it, they decide something has to be improved.
 On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
 
 
 This really diminishes the use of the service. I was looking for a group 
 I'm interested in and all I'm seeing are a bunch of add friends and join 
 groups. 
 Regarding their web site, I have never seen a site so complicated to use. 
 
 Doug
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t know that there is one; I’ve tried that as well, and when 
> someone’s name pops up, it just says “add friend,” which I obviously 
> don’t want to do if I don’t know who they are, and I get tons of friend 
> requests myself from people I have no idea who they are so 99.9% of them 
> don’t get accepted.
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Douglas Lawlor  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Is there an accessible way to search FaceBook in their app for iOS? When 
>> I do a search I cannot see any results even though results are 
>> displayed. I'm not sure if Pictures are displayed instead of names or 
>> what. Any help on this would be appreciated. 
>> 
>> You would think after all this time they would have things like this 
>> fixed!
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

2016-08-17 Thread Jessica Moss

Oh cool, thanx for the info on this.
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Jessica
> I just figured out how to do this. 
> 
> 1. In the FaceBook app Double tap the "Search Facebook" at the top of the 
> screen below the status bar. 
> 2. Type your text in the edit box. 
> 3. After a few seconds swipe right and you should see results. 
> 4. If you press the search button on the on screen keyboard you will get a 
> new screen containing results. 
> 5. Towards the top of this screen you will see the different items you can 
> select such as people, places, photos, pages, etc. Do not tap on any of 
> these. The search results containing text are below and can be accessed. 
> 
> How to Do this with a keyboard. 
> 
> 1. In the Facebook app Press Control + UpArrow to go to the top of the 
> screen. 
> 2. Press Up + Down Arrow to activate the search FaceBook item. 
> 3. You should hear something like "Edit Text Field, QuickNav off, Search 
> FaceBook". 
> 4. QuickNav is not off so press Left + Right Arrow to turn it off again. 
> 5. Enter your search text and turn QuickNav back on. 
> 6. Wait a second or two then navigate right and you should see search 
> results. 
> 7. If you press the enter key after typing your text you will get a new 
> screen. 
> 8. Towards the top of this screen you will see the different items you can 
> select such as people, places, photos, pages, etc. Do not tap on any of 
> these. The search results containing text are below and can be accessed. 
> 
> Doug
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I know, I wish they’d stop changing it so much, and just leave it the way it 
>> was.  It used to be easy as ever to use and as soon as we all get used to 
>> it, they decide something has to be improved.
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This really diminishes the use of the service. I was looking for a group 
>>> I'm interested in and all I'm seeing are a bunch of add friends and join 
>>> groups. 
>>> Regarding their web site, I have never seen a site so complicated to use. 
>>> 
>>> Doug
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
 
 I don’t know that there is one; I’ve tried that as well, and when 
 someone’s name pops up, it just says “add friend,” which I obviously don’t 
 want to do if I don’t know who they are, and I get tons of friend requests 
 myself from people I have no idea who they are so 99.9% of them don’t get 
 accepted.
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Is there an accessible way to search FaceBook in their app for iOS? When 
> I do a search I cannot see any results even though results are displayed. 
> I'm not sure if Pictures are displayed instead of names or what. Any help 
> on this would be appreciated. 
> 
> You would think after all this time they would have things like this 
> fixed!
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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RE: amazon's accesability contact.

ET,

 I can speak as both a blind person and someone that has senior management 
people saying it's not an issue when advised of accessibility issues.

 I work for an organisation that calls itself an EEO that stands for Equal 
Opotunity employer,

 I work in the area of IT Support and desktop administration.

We have in the passed 18 months had a new managed windows desktop environment 
installed this was mentioned on this list a month or so back. It's a citrix 
based xen system which does not allow for screan reader access for those of us 
with sight issues.

Yet I'm expected to support this system without adaptive accessibility and my 
director says well we're not bothering to do anything about it as it's only an 
issue for 1 person.

Other systems that are still being implemented are flash based and proving to 
be issues and again I get well we're not changing things and the best one, 
we'll find something else for you to do...

Just a couple of vews to think of.

 Not everyone is willing to pull their head out of their A hole.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 4:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.

No offense on the "excess ability wording so to play on it a bit... 
If this upper management is supposed to deal with accessibility, then is it not 
obvious they do not know the nuts and bolts thus they need to hear from those 
these efforts is supposedly aimed at?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/16/2016 9:13 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess ability 
> initiative and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I do know just as a 
> general rule the people who are in charge of large efforts are not in the 
> habit of answering nuts and bolts? This on an individual basis, just based on 
> the fact that they are upper management. So, sure. Right to Peter corn at 
> that address, assuming it is correct. But if you don't get an answer, don't 
> be surprised.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> Mary,
>>   Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter Korn is not 
>> the one to take it to, then who or what or where?
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>>> On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the 
>>> excess ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that 
>>> address from him personally. That sounds like something that would not be 
>>> something he would directly deal with as head of the whole department.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, who 
 knows.

 pk...@amazon.com

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> On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> ...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital 
> orders, and locate my items, and choose download your music...I 
> reach an error that says "we are having a problem with your music 
> orders.
> I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my 
> question is for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
> Thanks,
> Kare
>
>
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
>>
>> Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about 
>> downloading music via web interface.
>>
>> I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am 
>> pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.
>>
>> As an alternative, you can download your music directly through 
>> your web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely 
>> redesigned web browser downloading. It now gives you the option 
>> to download albums and multiple tracks at the same time using 
>> .ZIP files. ZIP is a file format that compresses content for quicker 
>> transfer.
>>
>> You can download music through your browser after completing a 
>> Digital Music Store purchase, from Your Orders 
>> (https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library 
>> https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary
>>
>> Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click 
>> the "Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon 
>> Music app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download 
>> music files directly."
>>
>> For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically 
>> in a pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP

RE: amazon's accesability contact.

Hell I wish we had legal stuff like that here in nz, I'd then be able to stick 
it up my bosses nose and say smoke this!



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 3:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.

Ehh? Ka!  Brown Noser!  You sure know your stuff.  LOL!  NO, I'm just 
kidding with ya.  but Seriously though, thank you for the information.
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- Original Message -
From: "Karen Lewellen" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.


> web access content guidelines, 2.0  developed by the w3c, these rules 
> govern accessibility and inclusive web design in many countries. 
> Reflected in  say section 508, stateside,  and considered by some to be 
> the web extension of the Americans with disabilities act.
>
> In some places failing to follow WACG 2.0  is a violation of human rights 
> laws   since a person with a disability is equally entitled to access 
> goods and services.
>
>
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>
>> What?  I'm totally confused at your message here.  What on earth is Wacg 
>> 2.0? LOL!  Smile.
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>> Training Instructor.
>>
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>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.
>>
>>
>>>  wacg 2.0 is based in keyboard input,  not operating system.  I am told 
>>> by
>>>  amazon that I can download using my keyboard, no extra downloader
>>>  required.
>>>  hopefully your tips will help others, but it will not help here...which 
>>> is
>>>  why I desire the amazon contact.
>>>  thanks,
>>>  Kare
>>>
>>>  On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >  I know nothing about how accessible it is, I am just passing along 
>>> > what I found. In Windows, one needs the Amazon mp3 downloader to 
>>> > download these files. I googled to find out if there is such a thing 
>>> > for the mac, and apparently there is. Google Amazon mp3 downloader for 
>>> > mac, and if it finds something, install it and see if you can use it. 
>>> > Being so new to the mac, I definitely would not be the one to test 
>>> > this mp3 downloader.
>>> >
>>> >  Arnold Schmidt
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>>> >
>>> >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Karen Lewellen 
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >  Hi folks,
>>> >  I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name 
>>> > and e-mail.
>>> >  I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three 
>>> > files, that I have purchased.
>>> >  Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am 
>>> > told by a supervisor should not be the case.
>>> >  Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely 
>>> > going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I 
>>> > require them under deadline.
>>> >  Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the 
>>> > access page is worse than the rest oft he site.
>>> >  ideas?
>>> >  Kare
>>> >
>>> >
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RE: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

I thought it was only from IOS 10 upwards,

I know it’s not showing on my iPod touch 6 which is running ios 9x but is on my 
phone running beta 10

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 3:35 PM
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Subject: Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

OK, I stand corrected then, thanks for the heads up, and my apology.
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From: Michael Babcock
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

no home kit is an IOS9 feature:
http://www.apple.com/ios/homekit/

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On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:

I don't think homekit is available yet unless you have iOS 10, which we cannot 
discuss here.  Someone correct me on the former of those two facts, if I'm 
wrong.
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>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa


Hello all,

My family recently got an Ecobee Smart thermostat. It turns out that we did not 
get the correct version to work with Apple HomeKit. However, I fear that it 
works with Amazon Alexa. Has anybody on here used this or similar smart 
thermostat with Alexa for iOS? What is your experience?

Ben

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RE: IOS & watch beta question

Don't tell me that chris, Now I might have to up grade to os watch beta>
 Lol.


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Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 2:11 PM
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Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question

Um, yeah.  I can't say that I blame you.  I upgraded my watch, but then, I see 
no reason to roll back.  I can't reveal any specifics, but I will say I find it 
to be unbelievably rock solid.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question


Oh, that’s that then. Again, will definitely stay away, until at least it 
will be possible to roll back yourself.
> On 16 Aug 2016, at 10:46, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>
> Actually, once you've upgraded your watch to a beta version of watchOS, 
> there is no way to restore back to the shipping version yourself. You need 
> to send your watch back to Apple so they can do it for you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris
>>
>> Fully understand that one,
>> I do know that if things go crazy the removal is done through the same 
>> process of how you install, its just a case of uninstalling the OS 
>> through removing the profile previously installed.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher 
>> hallsworth
>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 6:59 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question
>>
>> I’m staying right where I am. Yes, I could, install watchOS 3.0 beta, but 
>> should there be any problems, I would have no clue on how to restore it 
>> back to version 2.22. Good luck.
>>> On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Team,
>>>
>>> I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?
>>>
>>> I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to
>>> install the lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe 
>>> it has yet installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I wrong 
>>> in this and 2.22 is the current beta version, Can anyone advise.
>>>
>>> Chers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Simon f.
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RE: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

2016-08-17 Thread Rajiv Shah

Have you tried searching for the group via Google. Sometimes, I type in the 
word "Facebook" and the group name from the address bar in IOS and I am able to 
pull up the group name and add it to my Facebook profile.Regards,Rajiv

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Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 03:50:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

That's like facebook via a web browser.

 When I joined facebook 10 or 11 years ago it was so simple and easy 
No games or chat or animations etc,

 Now it's bloody anolying.



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Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 1:50 AM
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Subject: Re: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

I know, I wish they’d stop changing it so much, and just leave it the way it 
was. It used to be easy as ever to use and as soon as we all get used to it, 
they decide something has to be improved.
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
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> 
> This really diminishes the use of the service. I was looking for a group I'm 
> interested in and all I'm seeing are a bunch of add friends and join groups. 
> Regarding their web site, I have never seen a site so complicated to use. 
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know that there is one; I’ve tried that as well, and when someone’s 
>> name pops up, it just says “add friend,” which I obviously don’t want to do 
>> if I don’t know who they are, and I get tons of friend requests myself from 
>> people I have no idea who they are so 99.9% of them don’t get accepted.
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Is there an accessible way to search FaceBook in their app for iOS? When I 
>>> do a search I cannot see any results even though results are displayed. I'm 
>>> not sure if Pictures are displayed instead of names or what. Any help on 
>>> this would be appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> You would think after all this time they would have things like this fixed!
>>> 
>>> Doug
>>> 
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RE: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

That's like facebook via a web browser.

 When I joined facebook 10 or 11 years ago it was so simple and easy 
No games or chat or animations etc,

 Now it's bloody anolying.



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Subject: Re: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

I know, I wish they’d stop changing it so much, and just leave it the way it 
was.  It used to be easy as ever to use and as soon as we all get used to it, 
they decide something has to be improved.
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> 
> This really diminishes the use of the service. I was looking for a group I'm 
> interested in and all I'm seeing are a bunch of add friends and join groups. 
> Regarding their web site, I have never seen a site so complicated to use. 
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know that there is one; I’ve tried that as well, and when someone’s 
>> name pops up, it just says “add friend,” which I obviously don’t want to do 
>> if I don’t know who they are, and I get tons of friend requests myself from 
>> people I have no idea who they are so 99.9% of them don’t get accepted.
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Is there an accessible way to search FaceBook in their app for iOS? When I 
>>> do a search I cannot see any results even though results are displayed. I'm 
>>> not sure if Pictures are displayed instead of names or what. Any help on 
>>> this would be appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> You would think after all this time they would have things like this fixed!
>>> 
>>> Doug
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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RE: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

Hi Folks,

 Just a note here,

I've found with a number of VMS of windows 
Mostly with virtual box  but have also found with vm fusion as well, that using 
the command key doesn't work as the vm system sees that as a windows key.

In virtual box the left hand command key seems to default to a command key and 
brings up a menu for VB  where as the right hand command key defaults to a 
windows key for the vm.

 
What I've also found is that in system preferences under keyboard I make sure 
the keyboard settings are set to use all function keys as function keys.

And what is wrong with using the caps lock key as the jaws key if that is what 
you are using?

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Subject: Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve 
some questions

Hi Helga and Scott,
Well, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe Jaws doesn't like the command key as 
insert, I would try making the ` or \ keys as insert.
I'm going to install jaws 17 tonight on my mac running windows 10 under 
bootcamp, and I'll play around with it.
Best, Jeff


On 8/15/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Hi, I have this problem as well.  I do have laptop set under keyboard 
> type and still no go with the cursor selection.  Keyboard help doesn’t 
> even recognize them but it does other jaws commands.
>
> I’m confused as well.
>
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Helga,
>> Go to your jaws window. Go into the menus and I think its under 
>> basics, choose your keyboard type as laptop instead of desktop. I 
>> think that will do it!
>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/16, Helga Schreiber  wrote:
>>> Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I 
>>> instlal windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I 
>>> use windows with that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have  
>>> JAWS on it. It is working great for me so far. My only problem that 
>>> I encounter is regarding that I can't  do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS 
>>> cursor. I do have  a insert key on my Mac ckeyboard.  My friend  
>>> help me create an insert key by using the sharp keys app. My insert 
>>> key works, but when I do insert key and semi colon to to perform 
>>> JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it does not 
>>> work. I really don't know what should I do about it.  On my other 
>>> windows computer, I use a numpad keys, and in here I don't have a 
>>> numpad keys. It  works great, except the things I told you. Do you 
>>> guys? have any suggestion? I will really appreciate it a  lot! I 
>>> really don't want to get a full keyboard to take  around. Perhaps a 
>>> numpad. Or do you think
>>> uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   it will do the trick? Just
>>> wondering. I
>>> found some commands about JaWS in order to use it with the laptop 
>>> keyboard, and  I  do want to perform them but my insert key is not 
>>> cooperating!
>>> LOL
>>> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>>>
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association 
>>> of Blind Students.
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>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
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>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." 
>>> John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4
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RE: accessible app recommendation needed please