Re: dom order

[Dave Carlson]

Sorry, All I have are: Standard, Bookend Groups, Announce Groups, and Ignore 
Groups. Where is “Dom”.

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Re: dom order

[Lorie McCloud]

it's in the vo utility. go to navigation. 

> On Nov 17, 2019, at 8:43 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Not sure I understand where the Dom vs. Group order reading settings are to 
> be found.
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Re: dom order

[Dave Carlson]

Not sure I understand where the Dom vs. Group order reading settings are to be 
found.

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Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Seems as that as messages are now stored in iCloud, you need to make sure that 
on all your devices you have messages selected in the iCloud settings.
My iMessages and SMS messages all sync on my phone and Mac.

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Re: dom order

[Lorie McCloud]

thanks. I saved your email about switching back and forth between modes and I 
may create a commander for that at some point if I find I need group mode for 
anything. don't know yet.

Lorie

> On Nov 17, 2019, at 6:43 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Dom order reads HTML documents like Windows screen readers. Group order reads 
> them more like Macintosh applications, for example in lists when you have 
> group mode on, you need to interact with the list to see everything inside as 
> individual items. It also tries to arrange things somewhat like they show up 
> on screen. Take for example Facebook (and not m.facebook.com 
> , but the regular site).
> Facebook puts each post in an article and then adds a name and description to 
> that article. In Group mode the article name will be read often something 
> like Joe Steam posted a picture, then there will be a short delay and the 
> description gets read which often gives any comments that joe said about the 
> picture.
> If you then interact with the article you can find a like button and reply 
> button and a list of comments others have put to the post. Or you can just 
> use the VO next button to get to the next article. 
> In DOM mode this is all much more like what you would experience on every 
> other system where everything in the posting gets read unless you go to the 
> next article or Heading.
> 
> I used to find group mode worked very well with the New York Times, at 
> avoiding the advertisements in the middle of articles. I not sure if this is 
> because the ads actually appeared to the left of the content, so when I hit 
> vo-down it just kept reading the main column or if it was something else. 
> I have often recommended adding a keyboard commander to switch between Group 
> and DOM mode.
> Another irritant in Group mode is when you execute a read all command on a 
> complex site with several layers VoiceOver will do a constant very annoying 
> noise as it tries to decode all the layers. I have found this to be 
> particularly true for “forum” sites.
> Best Wishes,
> Jonathan Cohn .  
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 4:51 PM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> can somebody tell me what dom order is and how it differes from the other 
>> setting for navigation in vo utility? I changed my setting and it fixed my 
>> problem. I'd like to be aware of what else may change for me in Safari. 
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: dom order

[Jonathan Cohn]

Dom order reads HTML documents like Windows screen readers. Group order reads 
them more like Macintosh applications, for example in lists when you have group 
mode on, you need to interact with the list to see everything inside as 
individual items. It also tries to arrange things somewhat like they show up on 
screen. Take for example Facebook (and not m.facebook.com 
, but the regular site).
Facebook puts each post in an article and then adds a name and description to 
that article. In Group mode the article name will be read often something like 
Joe Steam posted a picture, then there will be a short delay and the 
description gets read which often gives any comments that joe said about the 
picture.
If you then interact with the article you can find a like button and reply 
button and a list of comments others have put to the post. Or you can just use 
the VO next button to get to the next article. 
In DOM mode this is all much more like what you would experience on every other 
system where everything in the posting gets read unless you go to the next 
article or Heading.

I used to find group mode worked very well with the New York Times, at avoiding 
the advertisements in the middle of articles. I not sure if this is because the 
ads actually appeared to the left of the content, so when I hit vo-down it just 
kept reading the main column or if it was something else. 
I have often recommended adding a keyboard commander to switch between Group 
and DOM mode.
Another irritant in Group mode is when you execute a read all command on a 
complex site with several layers VoiceOver will do a constant very annoying 
noise as it tries to decode all the layers. I have found this to be 
particularly true for “forum” sites.
Best Wishes,
Jonathan Cohn .  

> On Nov 17, 2019, at 4:51 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> can somebody tell me what dom order is and how it differes from the other 
> setting for navigation in vo utility? I changed my setting and it fixed my 
> problem. I'd like to be aware of what else may change for me in Safari. 
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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RE: macbook pro not pairing with smart beetle

[Simon A Fogarty]

Ok, 
So it's not ringo or paul staying out of the reach of bullets 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, 18 November 2019 11:31 AM
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Subject: Re: macbook pro not pairing with smart beetle

Smart Beetle is  14 cell Braille display.
> On 17 Nov 2019, at 21:12, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> What is a smart beatle?
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> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: macbook pro not pairing with smart beetle
> 
> Has she paired it with her mac via Bluetooth in system preferences?  Beetle’s 
> got to be put into pairing mode and then she needs to go to bluetooth in 
> system preferences.  Once she can see Beetle in table of devices, she needs 
> to interact with the cell that says Beetle where she will find pair button.  
> No code required.
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>> On 17 Nov 2019, at 09:22, aussiebroadband.com.au  
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>> Hi list 
>> 
>> Michelle Stevens here, 
>> 
>> Am writing on behalf of a friend. she asked me the following question 
>> 
>> it is not working with usb or bluetooth.  
>> smartbeetle latest version macbook pro 4 5 years old. 
>> 
>> MacOS Catalina 10.15.1 software update 
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>> any help much appreciated. 
>> Kind wishes 
>> Michelle 
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RE: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah but why not,

It’s all coming out of the same service / system
Why does it not automatically update synced messages.

From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Monday, 18 November 2019 11:29 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

I don’t think this works at all. There’s no automatic delete on any devices if 
you delete something on one device.  SAd.
On 17 Nov 2019, at 20:42, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Now I’ve got this working, there is still something else that isn’t working 
correctly and I’m sure it got discussed on this group before. I’m sending and 
receiving messages on both devices perfectly but if I delete a message on the 
phone it stays on the Mac and if I delete a message on the Mac it stays on the 
phone. I haven’t had any luck fixing this.


On 17/11/2019, at 22:18, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Petrus,

You need to enable this feature on your iPhone in settings / Messages where you 
tick the box to allow your iPhone and mac to send and receive sms message to 
non-iPhone users.  There may be a need to enter a code on your mac to tether 
the two devices so keep your Messages app on the mac open and wait for the 
prompt.  I can’t quite remember now the exact chain of events as I had done it 
a long time ago.

Good luck

Andrew
On 17 Nov 2019, at 08:49, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,
I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. I’ 
only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even when I 
have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but just 
noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend that hasn’t 
got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried texting the same 
friend with my Mac and she never received it.
Thanks for any advice,
Petrus
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RE: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yerah I mentioned this a month or so back and still haven’t found a solution,

As you say it’s working fine with emails even from my watch / phone / computer 
everything syncs fine deleting or arriving etc.

But messages don’t want to update sync automatically like you’d think they 
would.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 18 November 2019 11:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

You think there would be, as if I delete an email on my phone it’s gone from my 
Mac and the other way as well. You’d think it would work on the messages ap. I 
know someone was asking about this very thing a while ago and can’t remember if 
they came up with a solution.


On 18/11/2019, at 10:20, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

I wondered about this as well.

I have the same problem with my iphone and my watch etc.

If I delete a message from my watch it stays on my phone.

And same with iPad and phone etc
There is no sync between the devices.


From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.commailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 18 November 2019 9:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

Now I’ve got this working, there is still something else that isn’t working 
correctly and I’m sure it got discussed on this group before. I’m sending and 
receiving messages on both devices perfectly but if I delete a message on the 
phone it stays on the Mac and if I delete a message on the Mac it stays on the 
phone. I haven’t had any luck fixing this.



On 17/11/2019, at 22:18, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Petrus,

You need to enable this feature on your iPhone in settings / Messages where you 
tick the box to allow your iPhone and mac to send and receive sms message to 
non-iPhone users.  There may be a need to enter a code on your mac to tether 
the two devices so keep your Messages app on the mac open and wait for the 
prompt.  I can’t quite remember now the exact chain of events as I had done it 
a long time ago.

Good luck

Andrew
On 17 Nov 2019, at 08:49, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,
I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. I’ 
only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even when I 
have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but just 
noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend that hasn’t 
got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried texting the same 
friend with my Mac and she never received it.
Thanks for any advice,
Petrus
Sent from Petrus' MacBook


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RE: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Ok, didn’t think non iMessages came through.
Must check my settings as that’s probabl;y I’m not getting them.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 18 November 2019 11:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

Nope, now I’m receiving all messages in the messages app on the Mac regardless 
of weather weather they are iMessages or text messages.


On 18/11/2019, at 10:11, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

I was under the impression that only iMessages came through to other apple 
devices
Standard text messages I didn’t think worked through that message platform.

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.commailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
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Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2019 9:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

Hi all,
I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. I’ 
only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even when I 
have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but just 
noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend that hasn’t 
got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried texting the same 
friend with my Mac and she never received it.
Thanks for any advice,
Petrus
Sent from Petrus' MacBook

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Re: macbook pro not pairing with smart beetle

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Smart Beetle is  14 cell Braille display.
> On 17 Nov 2019, at 21:12, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> What is a smart beatle?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2019 10:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: macbook pro not pairing with smart beetle
> 
> Has she paired it with her mac via Bluetooth in system preferences?  Beetle’s 
> got to be put into pairing mode and then she needs to go to bluetooth in 
> system preferences.  Once she can see Beetle in table of devices, she needs 
> to interact with the cell that says Beetle where she will find pair button.  
> No code required.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 17 Nov 2019, at 09:22, aussiebroadband.com.au  
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>> Hi list 
>> 
>> Michelle Stevens here, 
>> 
>> Am writing on behalf of a friend. she asked me the following question 
>> 
>> it is not working with usb or bluetooth.  
>> smartbeetle latest version macbook pro 4 5 years old. 
>> 
>> MacOS Catalina 10.15.1 software update 
>> 
>> any help much appreciated. 
>> Kind wishes 
>> Michelle 
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Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I don’t think this works at all. There’s no automatic delete on any devices if 
you delete something on one device.  SAd.
> On 17 Nov 2019, at 20:42, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> Now I’ve got this working, there is still something else that isn’t working 
> correctly and I’m sure it got discussed on this group before. I’m sending and 
> receiving messages on both devices perfectly but if I delete a message on the 
> phone it stays on the Mac and if I delete a message on the Mac it stays on 
> the phone. I haven’t had any luck fixing this. 
> 
>> On 17/11/2019, at 22:18, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> Petrus,
>> 
>> You need to enable this feature on your iPhone in settings / Messages where 
>> you tick the box to allow your iPhone and mac to send and receive sms 
>> message to non-iPhone users.  There may be a need to enter a code on your 
>> mac to tether the two devices so keep your Messages app on the mac open and 
>> wait for the prompt.  I can’t quite remember now the exact chain of events 
>> as I had done it a long time ago.
>> 
>> Good luck
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 17 Nov 2019, at 08:49, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. 
>>> I’ only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even 
>>> when I have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but 
>>> just noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend 
>>> that hasn’t got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried 
>>> texting the same friend with my Mac and she never received it. 
>>> Thanks for any advice,
>>> Petrus 
>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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More on my fan high speed problem.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I really not sure what is going on with my macbook air  2015.
Catalina made it  speed up.
Activity manager told me first that VOiceover was the culprit.
But i have reset pram and smc and now Voiceover is not the culprit.

The activity manager gives no idea on what is going on.
Logging out and waiting for several hours does not help.
Maybe its time to buy a new one.
Or i have to live with it.
/A

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Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

You think there would be, as if I delete an email on my phone it’s gone from my 
Mac and the other way as well. You’d think it would work on the messages ap. I 
know someone was asking about this very thing a while ago and can’t remember if 
they came up with a solution.

> On 18/11/2019, at 10:20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Petrus,
>  
> I wondered about this as well.
>  
> I have the same problem with my iphone and my watch etc.
>  
> If I delete a message from my watch it stays on my phone.
>  
> And same with iPad and phone etc
> There is no sync between the devices.
>  
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Monday, 18 November 2019 9:42 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac
>  
> Now I’ve got this working, there is still something else that isn’t working 
> correctly and I’m sure it got discussed on this group before. I’m sending and 
> receiving messages on both devices perfectly but if I delete a message on the 
> phone it stays on the Mac and if I delete a message on the Mac it stays on 
> the phone. I haven’t had any luck fixing this. 
> 
> 
> On 17/11/2019, at 22:18, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> Petrus,
>  
> You need to enable this feature on your iPhone in settings / Messages where 
> you tick the box to allow your iPhone and mac to send and receive sms message 
> to non-iPhone users.  There may be a need to enter a code on your mac to 
> tether the two devices so keep your Messages app on the mac open and wait for 
> the prompt.  I can’t quite remember now the exact chain of events as I had 
> done it a long time ago.
>  
> Good luck
>  
> Andrew
> On 17 Nov 2019, at 08:49, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
>  
> Hi all,
> I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. I’ 
> only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even when I 
> have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but just 
> noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend that 
> hasn’t got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried texting 
> the same friend with my Mac and she never received it. 
> Thanks for any advice,
> Petrus 
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Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Nope, now I’m receiving all messages in the messages app on the Mac regardless 
of weather weather they are iMessages or text messages. 

> On 18/11/2019, at 10:11, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Petrus,
>  
> I was under the impression that only iMessages came through to other apple 
> devices
> Standard text messages I didn’t think worked through that message platform.
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2019 9:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac
>  
> Hi all,
> I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. I’ 
> only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even when I 
> have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but just 
> noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend that 
> hasn’t got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried texting 
> the same friend with my Mac and she never received it. 
> Thanks for any advice,
> Petrus 
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dom order

[Lorie McCloud]

can somebody tell me what dom order is and how it differes from the other 
setting for navigation in vo utility? I changed my setting and it fixed my 
problem. I'd like to be aware of what else may change for me in Safari. 

thanks.
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Re: reading from the top

[Lorie McCloud]

please tell me more about this setting. what's the alternative? I think I am in 
groups navigation. what should I change it to?

> On Nov 17, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Are you in Groups navigation? I have sometimes found groups navigation will 
> skip around a bit more.
> You can check in VO Utility Web.
> 
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>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 12:53 AM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
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>> I also noticed that. it started happening with the most recent Safari 
>> update. the tech at Apple accessibility suggested that I upgrade to Catalina 
>> but I'm not ready yet so I guess I just have to deal with it for awhile 
>> anyway.
>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:10 PM, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
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>>> Not specifically your problem, but Safari seems to be more difficult to use 
>>> since recent updates. And I’m also still with Mojave.
>>> 
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RE: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

I wondered about this as well.

I have the same problem with my iphone and my watch etc.

If I delete a message from my watch it stays on my phone.

And same with iPad and phone etc
There is no sync between the devices.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 18 November 2019 9:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

Now I’ve got this working, there is still something else that isn’t working 
correctly and I’m sure it got discussed on this group before. I’m sending and 
receiving messages on both devices perfectly but if I delete a message on the 
phone it stays on the Mac and if I delete a message on the Mac it stays on the 
phone. I haven’t had any luck fixing this.


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Petrus,

You need to enable this feature on your iPhone in settings / Messages where you 
tick the box to allow your iPhone and mac to send and receive sms message to 
non-iPhone users.  There may be a need to enter a code on your mac to tether 
the two devices so keep your Messages app on the mac open and wait for the 
prompt.  I can’t quite remember now the exact chain of events as I had done it 
a long time ago.

Good luck

Andrew
On 17 Nov 2019, at 08:49, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,
I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. I’ 
only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even when I 
have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but just 
noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend that hasn’t 
got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried texting the same 
friend with my Mac and she never received it.
Thanks for any advice,
Petrus
Sent from Petrus' MacBook


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RE: Sonos Controller for Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Angus,

No remote for the standard sonos player devices
Unless you cout the sonos app on the iphone etc.


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Subject: Re: Sonos Controller for Mac

Andrew

Thank you for the help. Regarding another issue; is their a Remote Control for 
the Sonos?

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RE: Is there anybody out there?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Jason,

What mail provider / server do you use for your mail system?

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Monday, 18 November 2019 6:58 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Is there anybody out there?

I run my own email server, which provides a high degree of control. Obviously, 
not everyone has the time or the expertise for this, but it has its advantages 
too.

From: Macvisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on 
behalf of Eric Oyen mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Date: Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 11:58
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Subject: Re: Is there anybody out there?

I may have to switch to a different email provider because my mails from this 
list keep ending up in the spam folder on gmail.. I keep going in and marking 
it as “not spam” but google doesn’t seem to be getting the message.

Btw, any suggestions on how to solve this would be greatly appreciated.

-Eric


On Nov 12, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Just thought the list was a bit quieter than usual and I’d make sure we were 
still alive.

So if your not,
Just let us know!



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RE: macbook pro not pairing with smart beetle

[Simon A Fogarty]

What is a smart beatle?



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Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2019 10:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: macbook pro not pairing with smart beetle

Has she paired it with her mac via Bluetooth in system preferences?  Beetle’s 
got to be put into pairing mode and then she needs to go to bluetooth in system 
preferences.  Once she can see Beetle in table of devices, she needs to 
interact with the cell that says Beetle where she will find pair button.  No 
code required.

Andrew
> On 17 Nov 2019, at 09:22, aussiebroadband.com.au  
> wrote:
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> Hi list 
> 
> Michelle Stevens here, 
> 
> Am writing on behalf of a friend. she asked me the following question 
> 
> it is not working with usb or bluetooth.  
> smartbeetle latest version macbook pro 4 5 years old. 
> 
> MacOS Catalina 10.15.1 software update 
> 
> any help much appreciated. 
> Kind wishes 
> Michelle 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Sonos Controller for Mac

[Angus MacKinnon]

Andrew

I have the Sonos Controller App on my iPhone XR. So I can setup and control the 
Sonos with my iPhone XR already
. I would like to do the same on my 2013 iMac running Catalina. I am thinking 
of getting the Menu Bar App from the Mac Appstore.

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RE: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

I was under the impression that only iMessages came through to other apple 
devices
Standard text messages I didn’t think worked through that message platform.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2019 9:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

Hi all,
I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. I’ 
only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even when I 
have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but just 
noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend that hasn’t 
got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried texting the same 
friend with my Mac and she never received it.
Thanks for any advice,
Petrus
Sent from Petrus' MacBook

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RE: Sonos Controller for Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi angus,

I believe there is a sonos controller for the mac os,
Or at leat there use to be.

I must admit however that I’ve not used it as I only use my sonos from my 
iPhone and iPad.

The ios sonos controller is very easy to use with voiceover.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2019 4:45 PM
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Subject: Sonos Controller for Mac

Is their a Sonos Controller for Mac? I have th e Sonos Controller on my iPhone 
XR. I was wondering if I could control my Sonos One Gen 2 from my 2013 iMac 
running Catalina.

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Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Now I’ve got this working, there is still something else that isn’t working 
correctly and I’m sure it got discussed on this group before. I’m sending and 
receiving messages on both devices perfectly but if I delete a message on the 
phone it stays on the Mac and if I delete a message on the Mac it stays on the 
phone. I haven’t had any luck fixing this. 

> On 17/11/2019, at 22:18, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Petrus,
> 
> You need to enable this feature on your iPhone in settings / Messages where 
> you tick the box to allow your iPhone and mac to send and receive sms message 
> to non-iPhone users.  There may be a need to enter a code on your mac to 
> tether the two devices so keep your Messages app on the mac open and wait for 
> the prompt.  I can’t quite remember now the exact chain of events as I had 
> done it a long time ago.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Andrew
>> On 17 Nov 2019, at 08:49, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. I’ 
>> only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even when I 
>> have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but just 
>> noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend that 
>> hasn’t got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried texting 
>> the same friend with my Mac and she never received it. 
>> Thanks for any advice,
>> Petrus 
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Sonos Controller for Mac

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, Sonos app for iOS & Android are accessible.  Appstore is where you need to 
go.

Andrew
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> Thank you for the help. Regarding another issue; is their a Remote Control 
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Re: Disabeling Preview in Mac Mail Problems

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
I already have the preview lines set to 0.
Oh well.
Thanks.


> On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Open mail settings and switching to the viewing pane you can find a “list 
> preview” popup button where you can change from 0 to 5 the number of lines 
> that are read when a message is selected. On my system setting this to 0 
> prevents this speaking, though personally I do like to be able to hear a bit 
> about the message. Also, in cases where the mail has both an HTML and text 
> alternative, this preview tends to read the text alternative so occasionally 
> this preview allows me to read content that is graphical in nature.
> Best Wishes,
> Jonathan Cohn 
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>> I have collapsed the horizontal slider but still my previews are being read.
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Re: Sonos Controller for Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yes. Your phone.
Cheers,
Donna

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> Thank you for the help. Regarding another issue; is their a Remote Control 
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Re: Sonos Controller for Mac

[Angus MacKinnon]

Andrew

Thank you for the help. Regarding another issue; is their a Remote Control for 
the Sonos?

Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
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Re: Disabeling Preview in Mac Mail Problems

[Jonathan Cohn]

Open mail settings and switching to the viewing pane you can find a “list 
preview” popup button where you can change from 0 to 5 the number of lines that 
are read when a message is selected. On my system setting this to 0 prevents 
this speaking, though personally I do like to be able to hear a bit about the 
message. Also, in cases where the mail has both an HTML and text alternative, 
this preview tends to read the text alternative so occasionally this preview 
allows me to read content that is graphical in nature.
Best Wishes,
Jonathan Cohn 


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Re: reading from the top

[Jonathan Cohn]

Are you in Groups navigation? I have sometimes found groups navigation will 
skip around a bit more.
You can check in VO Utility Web.


> On Nov 17, 2019, at 12:53 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I also noticed that. it started happening with the most recent Safari update. 
> the tech at Apple accessibility suggested that I upgrade to Catalina but I'm 
> not ready yet so I guess I just have to deal with it for awhile anyway.
> 
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>> Not specifically your problem, but Safari seems to be more difficult to use 
>> since recent updates. And I’m also still with Mojave.
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Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi, 
It seems to be working now, and I didn’t have to enter any codes on the Mac 
side of things.
Thanks again,
Petrus 

> On 17/11/2019, at 22:18, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Petrus,
> 
> You need to enable this feature on your iPhone in settings / Messages where 
> you tick the box to allow your iPhone and mac to send and receive sms message 
> to non-iPhone users.  There may be a need to enter a code on your mac to 
> tether the two devices so keep your Messages app on the mac open and wait for 
> the prompt.  I can’t quite remember now the exact chain of events as I had 
> done it a long time ago.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Andrew
>> On 17 Nov 2019, at 08:49, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. I’ 
>> only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even when I 
>> have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but just 
>> noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend that 
>> hasn’t got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried texting 
>> the same friend with my Mac and she never received it. 
>> Thanks for any advice,
>> Petrus 
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Re: Is there anybody out there?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I actually noticed this happening once I upgraded to iOS 13, but I don’t think 
that is the reason but there could have been a lot of maintenance  with email 
servers around that time. I’m thinking I should sign into gmail web-mail site 
and add this list address to the contacts in the webmail site. I just hate 
navigating web-mail pages. 
  

> On 18/11/2019, at 06:57, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> I run my own email server, which provides a high degree of control. 
> Obviously, not everyone has the time or the expertise for this, but it has 
> its advantages too.
>  
> From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of Eric Oyen 
> 
> Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
> Date: Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 11:58
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Is there anybody out there?
>  
> I may have to switch to a different email provider because my mails from this 
> list keep ending up in the spam folder on gmail.. I keep going in and marking 
> it as “not spam” but google doesn’t seem to be getting the message.
>  
> Btw, any suggestions on how to solve this would be greatly appreciated.
>  
> -Eric
>  
> 
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Simon A Fogarty > > wrote:
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>> Just thought the list was a bit quieter than usual and I’d make sure we were 
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Disabeling Preview in Mac Mail Problems

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hi folks,
I have collapsed the horizontal slider but still my previews are being read.
Is there another way to disable previews in mail?

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Re: Is there anybody out there?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I run my own email server, which provides a high degree of control. Obviously, 
not everyone has the time or the expertise for this, but it has its advantages 
too.

 

From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of Eric Oyen 

Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 11:58
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Is there anybody out there?

 

I may have to switch to a different email provider because my mails from this 
list keep ending up in the spam folder on gmail.. I keep going in and marking 
it as “not spam” but google doesn’t seem to be getting the message.

 

Btw, any suggestions on how to solve this would be greatly appreciated.

 

-Eric

 



On Nov 12, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

 

Just thought the list was a bit quieter than usual and I’d make sure we were 
still alive.

 

So if your not,

Just let us know!

 

 

 

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Re: Is there anybody out there?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

HI 
Same thing has been happening to me for the past 2 months or so.
Its very intermittent though.
Hard to pinned down what happened in the recent past?
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> I may have to switch to a different email provider because my mails from this 
> list keep ending up in the spam folder on gmail.. I keep going in and marking 
> it as “not spam” but google doesn’t seem to be getting the message.
> 
> Btw, any suggestions on how to solve this would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
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Re: Is there anybody out there?

[Dave Carlson]

I use Yahoo mail, and it’s the same for me. They go to my bulk folder on the 
Mac. But I set up a smart folder for all unread messages, and I can browse 
through them along with others. Then occasionally I visit my bulk folder and 
move them all to my MacVisionaries folder. Not the best, but it works.

Dave Carlson
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Re: Is there anybody out there?

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I may have to switch to a different email provider because my mails from this 
list keep ending up in the spam folder on gmail.. I keep going in and marking 
it as “not spam” but google doesn’t seem to be getting the message.

Btw, any suggestions on how to solve this would be greatly appreciated.

-Eric


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Re: Download PDF in Safari instead of Opening

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi

If the save as option of the context menu doesn’t work, just open the linked 
pdf. Then when the pdf is opened in Safari, place the focus in the addressfield 
and push option+return. The pdf file is then saved to downloads.

hth,
Ronald


> Op 17 nov. 2019, om 00:52 heeft Lorie McCloud  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> if you get the link for a pdf in your email it can be a problem. in my 
> experience, if I click the link it opens Safari and goes to the linked page 
> which is the pdf. there doesn't seem to be a way to download it from email 
> which is something I used to do in Windows xp with Thunderbird.I once asked 
> about this while talking to Apple Accessibility and the tech told me to press 
> vo-shift-m for the context menu and arrow down to "export as pdf". if you hit 
> enter on that it'll ask you where you want to save it and then tab down and 
> save it there. that's the only way I know of to do it.
> 
> Lorie
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Phil Halton > > wrote:
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>> I’m probably misunderstanding what you’re trying to do, but if you want to 
>> download a file that is linked, then position the vo cursor on the link,  
>> then bring up the context menu with VO plus shift plus M and select download 
>> linked file. That’s what I did just the other day to download several PDF 
>> and EPUB files.  they will appear in your downloads folder which can be 
>> accessed by pressing option plus command plus L.  Good luck.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
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>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Funny, that didn’t work either. I wonder if the link that I am trying to 
>>> download the pdf through is not an actual pdf and rather a script to 
>>> generate one—although I would have thought the result would be the same.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 16, 2019, at 10:51 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 If you are focused on a link, press option-return to download the linked 
 item. You can then open it in preview from your downloads folder. I 
 realize that isn’t exactly what you are looking for, but it may work in 
 the meantime. 
 
 Later... 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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> Hi all,
> 
> Trying to get my new Mac back to how my old Mac works, but can’t crack 
> this nut.
> 
> I’ve been all over the internet, but the suggestions are not working for 
> me.
> 
> I want PDF documents to download automatically instead of opening inside 
> Safari.
> 
> I’ve unchecked the open safe files after downloading checkbox in general 
> preferences and even run the following Terminal command:
> 
> defaults write com.apple.Safari WebKitOmitPDFSupport -bool YES
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> I’ve restarted to see if that might help, but nothing.
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> Any other suggestions?
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> Thx
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Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Thank you Andrew, I just checked that and my messages settings on my iPhone. I 
already put my Mac away for the night, but will see if it prompts me to do 
anything in the morning. Thank you again

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 17/11/2019, at 22:18, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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Petrus,

You need to enable this feature on your iPhone in settings / Messages where you 
tick the box to allow your iPhone and mac to send and receive sms message to 
non-iPhone users.  There may be a need to enter a code on your mac to tether 
the two devices so keep your Messages app on the mac open and wait for the 
prompt.  I can’t quite remember now the exact chain of events as I had done it 
a long time ago.

Good luck

Andrew
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> Hi all,
> I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. I’ 
> only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even when I 
> have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but just 
> noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend that 
> hasn’t got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried texting 
> the same friend with my Mac and she never received it. 
> Thanks for any advice,
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Re: macbook pro not pairing with smart beetle

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Has she paired it with her mac via Bluetooth in system preferences?  Beetle’s 
got to be put into pairing mode and then she needs to go to bluetooth in system 
preferences.  Once she can see Beetle in table of devices, she needs to 
interact with the cell that says Beetle where she will find pair button.  No 
code required.

Andrew
> On 17 Nov 2019, at 09:22, aussiebroadband.com.au  
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> Hi list 
> 
> Michelle Stevens here, 
> 
> Am writing on behalf of a friend. she asked me the following question 
> 
> it is not working with usb or bluetooth.  
> smartbeetle latest version macbook pro 4 5 years old. 
> 
> MacOS Catalina 10.15.1 software update 
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> any help much appreciated. 
> Kind wishes 
> Michelle 
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Re: Sonos Controller for Mac

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Angus,

Yes, there’s a mac controller for Sonos, and you can download it from the 
support page of Sonos.com.  Here’s the link to download it.  Unfortunattely, 
with Mac controller it is not very accessible.  Many buttons are not labelled 
although I have labelled them myself using vo+/ labelling dialogue with the 
help of a sighted friend.  I can control some of the functions but neither 
choosing the source nor searching your music library is not accessible.  I have 
been asking support at sonos to address this but they’ve not been cooperative 
thus far.  So please report as well. here is the link;

Download the Mac controller 


Andrew
> On 17 Nov 2019, at 03:45, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
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> Is their a Sonos Controller for Mac? I have th e Sonos Controller on my 
> iPhone XR. I was wondering if I could control my Sonos One Gen 2 from my 2013 
> iMac running Catalina.
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macbook pro not pairing with smart beetle

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Hi list 

Michelle Stevens here, 

Am writing on behalf of a friend. she asked me the following question 

it is not working with usb or bluetooth.  
smartbeetle latest version macbook pro 4 5 years old. 

MacOS Catalina 10.15.1 software update 

any help much appreciated. 
Kind wishes 
Michelle 



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Re: Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Petrus,

You need to enable this feature on your iPhone in settings / Messages where you 
tick the box to allow your iPhone and mac to send and receive sms message to 
non-iPhone users.  There may be a need to enter a code on your mac to tether 
the two devices so keep your Messages app on the mac open and wait for the 
prompt.  I can’t quite remember now the exact chain of events as I had done it 
a long time ago.

Good luck

Andrew
> On 17 Nov 2019, at 08:49, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. I’ 
> only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even when I 
> have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but just 
> noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend that 
> hasn’t got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried texting 
> the same friend with my Mac and she never received it. 
> Thanks for any advice,
> Petrus 
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Setting for the Messages App on the Mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi all,
I suspect I’m missing a setting for my messages App on the Mac somewhere. I’ 
only seem to be getting iMessages and not regular Text messages. Even when I 
have my iPhone right next to my Mac. I thought this was normal, but just 
noticed my wife receiving a Text message on her Mac from  a friend that hasn’t 
got an iPhone. And she replied with the Mac as well. I tried texting the same 
friend with my Mac and she never received it. 
Thanks for any advice,
Petrus 
Sent from Petrus' MacBook 

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