Re: Recovering HomeKit setup codes?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Alex,

I actually stumbled on called HomePass which let you store. You can either scan 
them, or type them. 

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> On Jun 2, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Daniel McGee  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex 
> 
> I don't use any smart home light bulbs. Do you use a password manager at all? 
> 
> I know it's kind of risky to do it this way but the way I see it, is that 
> it's a place where one can store all there codes, login's etc. 
> 
> As an example, last year, I got the new iPhone 8 having upgraded from a 5. 
> During the process, I forgot my local library card info. So I had to give 
> them a call and obtain this information again to log into the app they use 
> for audiobooks. 
>  
>  It was no problem ringing them up and getting this info again, however had 
> it of been in my password manager of choice, I wouldn't had to ring up and 
> could of just used my password manager to login to the respected app again. 
>  
>  You don't have to do this of course. It was just an idea  / suggestion to 
> consider.
> 
> 
> Daniel 
> 
>> On 2 Jun 2018, at 15:02, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Never mind. It turns out the setup code is also printed on the base of the 
>> bulb itself, so I was able to manually type it in and get things back to 
>> normal. That's a huge relief! Each bulb is around $20, which is good for 
>> smart bulbs but would still be annoying to lose just because I got rid of 
>> some paper.
>> 
>> --
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2018, at 07:41, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello list,
>>> I have been having trouble with a Sylvania smart bulb recently, and their 
>>> support is useless. I therefore decided to just reset the bulb and start 
>>> over. After I'd done that, I realized that I had long ago thrown out the 
>>> box... and the card with the setup code on it. I'm used to my smart 
>>> outlets, sensors, and other devices having their codes right on them, so it 
>>> never occurred to me to save the codes for my bulbs.
>>> 
>>> I feel pretty dumb now, and I'm hoping there's a way to make this at least 
>>> a little better. I haven't removed the bulb from my Home app yet, so is 
>>> there a way I can recover the setup code? At some point, iOS knew it, after 
>>> all. I haven't found a way, but maybe someone knows something I missed? 
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Getting to NiceCast VoiceOver effect problematic with VoiceOver

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. That is currently inaccessible. It seems they have all but abandoned the 
app as well, so any fixes aren’t looking likely. 

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> On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:25 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone know of a way to get to this consistently? I click effects, route 
> the mouse to the scroll area and click. I got the menu to come up once today, 
> but otherwise cannot get it to come up. My listeners tell me that 
> Radiologik’s line in that’s doubling as the mic is too quiet, and I don’t 
> know how to turn gain on.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Thanks.
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Re: HomePods are staining wooden tables with a white ring, The Verge

[Daniel Miller]

What you guys need to realize is, Apple intended the speaker to be smart in 
terms of the spatial awareness capabilities. Meaning it sounds great no matter 
where you place it. Yes, I think we all would like Siri to be smarter, but 
that’s not their vision for the speaker.

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> On Feb 16, 2018, at 6:48 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I would rather buy some nice equipment than spend my money on a home
> pod. Seriously come on I want a smart speaker not a speaker that
> pretends to be smart, and only gives me really good audio.
> 
>> On 2/16/18, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> It seems like entirely too many people are falling for the nonsense in the
>> tech press which is basically saying that the HomePod is meant to compete
>> with cheap devices like the echo. It isn’t. It is marketed to people who are
>> in the apple ecosystem want really good sound and don’t want to screw around
>> with extra devices etc. I don’t own one. I might get a stereo pair at some
>> point, but not now. I like the fact that you can get it and try it and if
>> you don’t like it, take it back. Depending on what Apple eventually does as
>> far as opening it up to other apps like Spotify, and how the whole airplay
>> thing works out, it could be a really good set up. I have aging big stereo
>> equipment. So this is an attractive looking deal for me in the hopefully not
>> too distant future. I would never consider replacing my good equipment with
>> anything like an Amazon echo. Just not.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not really laughing here but
>>> 
>>> Why is it that apples product range sounds like it's going backwards
>>> rather than forwards
>>> 
>>> If I was buying one of these home speaker units I think I'd be going
>>> amazon echo if anything
>>> 
>>> Apple sound like they are really struggling to move ahead
>>> 
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>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: HomePods are staining wooden tables with a white ring, The Verge
>>> 
>>> HomePods are staining wooden tables with a white ring By Chaim Gartenberg
>>> 
>>> Apple's HomePod is a great sounding but ideologically flawed speaker, and
>>> it turns out there's another major problem with the smart speaker aside
>>> from its lack of support for Spotify. Apparently the silicone base of the
>>> HomePod can damage wooden furniture, with multiple outlets (including
>>> Wirecutter and Pocket Lint) reporting that leaving the speaker on top of
>>> wooden surfaces can cause a white ring to form.
>>> 
>>> Apple has confirmed the issue to Wirecutter, stating that "the marks can
>>> improve over several days after the speaker is removed from the wood
>>> surface," with the company also recommending that users "try cleaning the
>>> surface with the manufacturer's suggested oiling method" if the white
>>> rings don't fade.
>>> 
>>> Given that HomePods aren't meant to be put on a soft surface (the tweeters
>>> fire down, so putting it on cloth messes with the reflectivity of the
>>> sound), it's not the sort of problem you can solve by just putting down a
>>> cloth underneath it, either.
>>> 
>>> Congratulations to everyone on their beautiful HomePods and sorry it
>>> secretes a deadly acid that destroys your furniture
>>> https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/apple-homepod/?utm_source=twitter_medi
>>> um=social_campaign=social-promo#homepods-flaws-but-not-dealbreakers-home
>>> pod-vs-echo-vs-google-home-max-vs-sonos-one .
>>> 
>>> Apple has also updated its official support page for the HomePod,
>>> explaining that "It is not unusual for any speaker with a
>>> vibration-dampening silicone base to leave mild marks when placed on some
>>> wooden surfaces." According to the support page, the marks are apparently
>>> caused by "oils diffusing between the silicone base and the table
>>> surface." In addition to the previous stated advice about hoping the marks
>>> go away or cleaning the surface, Apple also said for customers who are
>>> concerned about the issue, "We recommend placing your HomePod on a
>>> different surface."
>>> 
>>> Update February 14th, 4:00pm: Added additional information about placing
>>> the HomePod on soft surfaces. Updated post to reflect new information from
>>> Apple's official support page for the HomePod.
>>> 
>>> Original Article at:
>>> https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/2/14/17012382/apple-homepod-whi
>>> te-ring-wooden-table-staining-issue-problem
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Re: HomePod question

[Daniel Miller]

True stereo sound is coming in a software update soon.

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> On Feb 16, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> If memory serves, something I read said that the HomePod can't do stereo 
> sound the way the Sonos speakers can.  Does anyone know if that is a hardware 
> or software limitation?  I was thinking about picking up a HomePod this 
> weekend, but eventually having the ability to have stereo sound would be 
> important to me, so if it's a hardware issue, I'd probably be better off 
> waiting.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Accessible Thermostats

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. The ecobee the only thermostat that gives you sensors to spread around your 
house.

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> Mika:
> 
> Does your Nest give you multiple sensors to spread around your dwelling?
> Or does it gage temperature only from the main unit?
> 
> I'd like to have a couple additional sensors spread around. So, I'm
> wondering.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Mika Pyyhkala writes:
>> Hi,
>> I have been using the Nest thermostat for a while, and I like it,
>> other than the setting to review and modify the schedule is not
>> accessible.
>> 
>> So I use many of the features outside of the schedule.
>> 
>> Also the schedule is typically built just by the thermostat watching
>> your nromal patterns of how you set it.
>> 
>> If you have a service like AIRA or a friend you may be able to get
>> help with the schedule.
>> 
>> Also it would be good if more people wrote to Nest support and
>> executives (its now part of Google) to try to get them to add
>> accessibility to the scheduling function.
>> 
>> One other pro of the Nest is that you can turn the thermostat manually
>> to turn up/down the temp, where as some models are completely touch
>> screen only.
>> 
>> I also have 3 of the Nest smoke/CO detecters installed here.
>> 
>> I don't know how I would ever go back now, now that I can adjust the
>> thermost laying in bed or on my way home, and also monitor the house
>> temperature.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Mika
>> 
>>> On 1/20/18, Ben Constantini  wrote:
>>> Okay ,I will let you know .
>>> 
 On Jan 20, 2018, at 8:49 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Janina,
 
 I agree about the scheduled temperature changes.  It doesn't work as well
 as it might.  Post back and let us know what you decide to get.  I've been
 overall happy with the Nest, but it's not without its flaws.  And we will
 be moving again within the next couple of years, so I am paying attention
 to other options.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jan 20, 2018, at 5:53 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
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> My buildings hvac contractor was in my condo the other week over an
> unrelated issue. Because I'm considering a wifi enabled thermostat, I
> asked him about Nest. He was frustrated by them not understanding how
> some of their algorithms do not, according to him, work correctly with
> newer hvac systems.
> 
> He further said that he'd talked with Nest Tech Support, who didn't
> understand what he was saying to them.
> 
> I may still get the Nest, even at it's high price, because I'm unlikely
> to set up scheduling as
> I'm almost always home, and the issue he was describing had to do with
> correctly scheduled temperature changes.
> So, I'm taking another look at some of the alternatives like Honeywell,
> which I have heard good accessibility reports on.
> 
> Whichever unit I get has to be IPv6, though. For me that's a rock solid
> requirement alongside accessibility in the interface.
> 
> hth
> 
> Janina
> 
> Donna Goodin writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Ben,
>> 
>> We use the nest thermostat. I like it very well, the iPhone app is quite
>> accessible. Setting up the schedule can be a bit of a trick, but
>> otherwise it works well.Cheers,
>> Donna Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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>>> wrote:
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>>> I am looking for a thermostat that works well with the iPhone and /or
>>> mac. I am wondering what members on the group are using .  I just moved
>>> into a new home and the thermostat is not very blind friendly .
>>> 
>>> Thanks ,  Ben
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Re: Accessible Thermostats

[Daniel Miller]

Hi
 We just got the Ecobee 4. The thermostat works with HomeKit, and allows the 
use of room sensors, unlike the nest. The app isn’t the greatest, but once you 
have it set up with HomeKit, you don’t really need the app for that much.
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> am wondering what members on the group are using .  I just moved into a new 
> home and the thermostat is not very blind friendly .
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> Thanks ,  Ben 
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Re: Ddoes any one know if night owl wil sstil have updates

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Get Twitterrific. It’s $9.99 but it’s worth it. It’s accessible and will have 
updates for years to come. 

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> Does any one know if night owl wil stil have updates?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Slide to power off.

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You don’t need to slide, just double tap. Make sure you’re on the slide to 
power off element and then double tap.

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> On Dec 17, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I think I could do the slide gesture on the I phone 5 S but can't remember.
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:00, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I used to be able to perform the slide gesture on older iPhones.  Haven't 
>> tried it on the X.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> This is a question to all I phone 10 users.
>>> 
>>> When you want to power off the I phone it says slide to power off.  I would 
>>> like to know how to slide please?  I've tried sliding to the right, up and 
>>> down and to the left and the phone doesn't power off.  I then double tap it 
>>> and it goes off.  I don't think I've ever been able to slide the power 
>>> button to off on an I phone using voice over.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: audio switching on AirPods with latest software?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. I recently got an email from an Apple advisor who talked to an engineer 
about that problem. The engineer told him that when voiceover is active on both 
devices, the phone takes priority over the watch. I do not like that intention, 
but unfortunately that’s how the behavior is supposed to be. They have put it 
as a feature request, to see if they could possibly fix it in the future 
version of iOS. Or watchOS.

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> On Oct 22, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> Yeah I'm wondering what things would be like with the watch Series 3 and 
> second gen earpods,
> Wish they'd release them in NZ 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Saturday, 21 October 2017 3:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: audio switching on AirPods with latest software?
> 
> Thanks, everyone. I also have an iPhone 7 and Series 2 Watch, so it's not 
> like different hardware would make things work better. I was considering the 
> AirPods, since I do a lot of walking and workouts. Having my book on my 
> phone, but then having my Watch use the same headphones so I can hear workout 
> details or other information would be incredibly useful. I guess I'll keep 
> waiting, which isn't a bad thing, really; I'm hoping for more physical 
> control options, so maybe the second generation will improve on that and work 
> better for me.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 09:23, Jürgen Fleger <mailinglis...@fleger.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> for me it works somehow but not as expected. If I hear an audiobook on my 
>> iPhone and want to look what time it is, the watch sound comes across but I 
>> can only hear parts of the numbers of the watch. And then it regularly 
>> happens the audio router gets so confused that VoiceOver completely looses 
>> the voice or seems to switch randomely between the watch and the iPhone 7. 
>> So I’d rather see this feature disabled then not working correctly. Frankly 
>> said it’s annoying as it is at the moment.
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 20.10.2017 um 15:11 schrieb Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> Unfortunately, this is still not working the way it’s intended. If you have 
>>> your phone playing audio, and the watch makes it sound, the AirPods still 
>>> do not switch to that device. I reported this to Apple, yet they have no 
>>> clue why it’s behaving like this. They also said I’m the first person to 
>>> report that issue. Who knows when or if it will ever get fixed.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 7:11 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, but especially AirPods users, Some time ago there was a 
>>>> discussion on the list about audio switching with AirPods. If you had them 
>>>> connected to a phone and a watch, for instance, they would play audio from 
>>>> the phone but would switch to playing watch audio when the watch made a 
>>>> sound. If my understanding is right, this is working in iOS 11 and watchOS 
>>>> 4. If I have all this right, I have some questions. If not, can someone 
>>>> explain what does happen with these three devices? Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> * When the watch plays a notification or other small sound, does it go 
>>>> through the AirPods, or is it only VO speech and music that does? If the 
>>>> former, doesn't it get annoying to have VO or media interrupted for a 
>>>> sound, given that the watch is supposed to help your devices be less 
>>>> interrupting?
>>>> 
>>>> * Does this work on other devices? Would it work on Apple TV or a Mac?
>>>> 
>>>> * Is there a way to turn the feature off?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for any responses. The more I think about it, this kind of 
>>>> switching would be quite convenient in a lot of situations. I just worry 
>>>> about notification sounds interrupting my iPhone's audio. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: audio switching on AirPods with latest software?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Alex,
Unfortunately, this is still not working the way it’s intended. If you have 
your phone playing audio, and the watch makes it sound, the AirPods still do 
not switch to that device. I reported this to Apple, yet they have no clue why 
it’s behaving like this. They also said I’m the first person to report that 
issue. Who knows when or if it will ever get fixed.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Oct 20, 2017, at 7:11 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, but especially AirPods users,
> Some time ago there was a discussion on the list about audio switching with 
> AirPods. If you had them connected to a phone and a watch, for instance, they 
> would play audio from the phone but would switch to playing watch audio when 
> the watch made a sound. If my understanding is right, this is working in iOS 
> 11 and watchOS 4. If I have all this right, I have some questions. If not, 
> can someone explain what does happen with these three devices? Thanks.
> 
> * When the watch plays a notification or other small sound, does it go 
> through the AirPods, or is it only VO speech and music that does? If the 
> former, doesn't it get annoying to have VO or media interrupted for a sound, 
> given that the watch is supposed to help your devices be less interrupting?
> 
> * Does this work on other devices? Would it work on Apple TV or a Mac?
> 
> * Is there a way to turn the feature off?
> 
> Thanks for any responses. The more I think about it, this kind of switching 
> would be quite convenient in a lot of situations. I just worry about 
> notification sounds interrupting my iPhone's audio. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: How to Display Your iPhone Signal Strength in Numbers in iOS 11

[Daniel Miller]

It’s not available in iOS 11. 

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:37 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> Below, I am going to paste in the text that, up until now, it seems, would
> place iOS in a permanent field test mode.  This would allow one to see the
> strength of the cell signal in numbers, rather than in bars.  For example,
> instead of displaying 1 of 5 bars it would display -92.  The numbers are
> much more accurate in determining how much signal strength is actually
> available.  
> 
> However, after updating a Sprint phone, the following steps do not appear to
> work.  
> 
> I am wondering if this is just a Sprint issue or is this option no longer
> available in iOS 11.  
> 
> To be clear, the steps below do place the phone in field test mode but, so
> far, I cannot get the setting to remain permanent.  
> 
> Can anyone please confirm this for me?  
> 
> Please let me know what cell network you're using also.  
> 
> Thank you,.
> 
> Okay, below my signature, you will see the steps to take.  
> 
> Just so you know, these steps, will in no way damage your device or service
> for it is used by service technicians from time-to-time.
> 
> Mark
> 
> How to Display Your iPhone Signal Strength in Numbers Info
> 
> I have seen 2 different methods of putting your iPhone in Field Test mode
> permanently in iOS 7, a short one and a long one. 
> 
> The short way:
> 
> 1.
> Open your phone app and dial *3001#12345#*  and press send/call. (I
> recommend putting this in your Notepad so can copy and paste it. You will
> need it several times.)
> 
> 2.
> Press and hold the power button until the slide to close appears. 
> 3.
> Hold the home to kill the Field Test mode app (In iOS 7 it will restart, in
> iOS 6 it is now permanent.)
> 
> 4.
> Repeat step 2 and 3 a couple of times. 
> 
> 5.
> Tap the home button to close Field Test mode.
> 
> 6.
> Repeat steps 1-3 (With a little bit of luck it will work the first time
> here. I am usually able to get it the first time here. If not keep
> repeating.)
> 
> 7.
> When it works you will see the Field Test mode actually close and NOT
> restart. When this happens it is now permanent. 
> 
> The long way:
> 
> 1.
> Open your phone app and dial *3001#12345#* and press send/call.
> 
> 2.
> Press and hold the power button until the slide to close appears.
> 
> 3.
> Slide the slide bar to turn your phone off. 
> 4.
> Turn your phone back on.
> 
> 5.
> It should now be permanent.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Here are the instructions from Redmond Pie:
> 
> 1.
> Dial *3001#12345#* on your iPhone then press Call.
> 
> 2.
> You'll now enter Field Test mode. You'll notice a signal strength indicator
> on the upper left hand corner of your screen. You can toggle between signal
> strength bars and a number by simply tapping on it. At this point, press the
> home button to exit the app or if you would like the feature to be
> permanent, continue on. Don't worry, the process is completely reversible.
> 
> 3.
> Hold down on the Power button until you see the 'slide to power off' bar. Do
> not power off the device.
> 
> 4.
> Press down on the Home button until the app closes and you return to your
> home screen.
> 
> That's it. Even when restarting the iPhone, the signal strength can be
> toggled between bars and numbers. The closer your number is to zero, the
> stronger your signal is.
> 
> The lower your number, the stronger your signal but don't include the minus
> sign when evaluating (so, if the signal says -60, that's better than -90).
> 
> To return to the default bars permanently, follow these steps:
> 
> 1.
> Dial *3001#12345#* on your iPhone then press Call.
> 
> 2.
> Press on your Home Button once.
> 
> This trick may come in handy when you're in a dead zone and need to know
> where to move to for a better signal.
> 
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Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Daniel Miller]

OK. Will find out all of this when we find out, which is when Apple decides to 
release the phone. I highly doubt the face recognition is going to be based on 
pictures, it will most likely be infrared which will be easier for people who 
can’t see it.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face 
> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at 
> one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
>> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
>> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
>> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
>> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that 
>> have likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
>> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
>> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
>> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
>> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a 
>> background check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there 
>> in various clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that 
>> put facial recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do 
>> now.  All technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to 
>> do our own do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, 
>> there’s so much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some 
>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em 
>> coming.
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
>>> Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
>>> Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
>>> that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
>>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
>>> will be.
>>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
>>> Trek. Don't @ me.
>>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
>>> be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
>>> There are few things more personal than a face.
>>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
>>> window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
>>> memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
>>> for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
>>> which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
>>> 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
>>> RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
>>> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
>>> be the preeminent key to your digital life.
>>> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
>>> what's the deal with avocado toast?
>>> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
>>> of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
>>> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
>>> describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
>>> as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
>>> appear anywhere in this article.
>>> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
>>> scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
>>> to making digital purchases.
>>> And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
>>> Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
>>> parties because that's their business model, right?
>>> This question is never addressed.
>>> Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
>>> pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
>>> same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
>>> who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
>>> "Once the 

Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Stacy. Unfortunately, there is no way to make the iPhone make such a sound. 
I totally wish there wasn’t, but unfortunately there is not.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I use VO on my iPhone SE. On any iPhone I’ve used there’s never been a way 
> for me to tell when the iPhone is starting unless it’s plugged into power or 
> my macbook.
> Is there any way that 
> I can make my phone make some sort of sound when its restarting if it’s not 
> plugged into power?
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Found this a couple of years ago, so some of you may already have had some 
>> fun with it.  Credit to OS X Daily for this.
>> 
>> Would you like your Mac to make a sound when the charge cable is connected, 
>> like your iOS device does?  Newer MacBooks already do this, but as long as 
>> you have 10.10.3 or higher and a Mac laptop, you can enable this feature.  I 
>> use it and like it a lot as I can know for sure that my cable has initiated 
>> the charging cycle audibly.  Instructions below:
>> 
>> To enable Playing a Power Chime Sound Effect on a MacBook Pro & MacBook Air
>> Disconnect the Mac from the MagSafe power source
>> Open the Terminal app, found in /Applications/Utilities/
>> Enter the following command syntax, be sure there are no breaks as you’ll 
>> want to fit the entire sequence onto a single line (no it doesn’t matter if 
>> it wraps):
>> defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool true; open 
>> /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app &
>> 
>> Hit Return
>> Re-connect the MacBook power supply to hear the chime
>> This will enable the feature through the defaults command string and 
>> simultaneously launch the PowerChime application, the latter tiny app must 
>> be running in order for the power chime sound effect to trigger.
>> 
>> Now you just have to disconnect your MagSafe (or USB-C) power connector from 
>> the Mac, wait a second or two, then reconnect it. You’ll hear the familiar 
>> power connected / charging sound effect from your iPhone and iPad devices.
>> 
>> You can also trigger the sound effect manually, maybe you like the way it 
>> sounds or you’re just curious what we’re talking about here. Use the 
>> following command to play the power chime sound effect:
>> 
>> afplay 
>> /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app/Contents/Resources/connect_power.aif
>> 
>> To disable the Chime Sound Effect on Power Cable Connect in Mac OS X
>> You can also turn off the power chime sound effect when you connect a power 
>> cable to a Mac by issuing a different defaults command string within the OS 
>> X Terminal:
>> 
>> defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool false;killall 
>> PowerChime
>> 
>> This will disable the sound effect when connecting a power cable on the 
>> MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and yes, it will also disable the power chime 
>> sound effect on the MacBook line as well.
>> 
>> Many new MacBook owners have noticed this little feature, but the source of 
>> the audio was uncovered by @zwaldowski, who reports that some Macs will even 
>> have a vibrating trackpad with this feature enabled (a new Retina MacBook 
>> Pro does not offer that aspect).
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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Re: How iOS 11's Notification Center has changed - CNET

[Daniel Miller]

Because this isn’t   the list to go into detail about said issues, I was simply 
wanting to point out that you’re wrong about there not being any.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Jul 27, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, that’s an absolutely useless message.  Why bother saying there are 
> issues if you won’t list them?
> 
> And no I don’t see any issues with notifications on IOS 11.  Clearing them is 
> easy, I like how your recents and older are split up and you no longer have 
> to work with the upper task bar or swipe down to clear.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh trust me, there are tons of issues with notifications in the beans right 
>> now. I’m not going into detail about what they are, just be advised that 
>> there are issues.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone  
>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, you’re wrong, the beta as far as I can tell has notifications with out 
>>> issue.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 2:16 AM, Oriol Gómez <ogomez@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So how does this correlate with voiceover? I think in the beta we
>>>> can't yet access notification options am I wrong?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/27/17, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>> CNET How To - Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 1:18 PM
>>>>> 
>>>>> How iOS 11's Notification Center has changed - CNET
>>>>> 
>>>>> After installing iOS 11 you're bound to notice a lot of small changes and
>>>>> some bigger changes. There's the ability to record your screen, a
>>>>> customizable control center, and then there's. Notification Center.
>>>>> Actually, it's no longer called Notification Center. It's now called Cover
>>>>> Sheet. It looks similar to the lock screen, but still works much in the
>>>>> same
>>>>> way Notification Center did.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It looks simple enough, right? You still swipe down from the top of the
>>>>> screen to view recent notifications, but now an additional swipe up is
>>>>> required to view older notifications. Notice the "Earlier Today" section.
>>>>> 
>>>>> To go back to the previous screen, you can swipe up from the very bottom 
>>>>> of
>>>>> the screen. If you don't start at the bottom, you'll likely keep scrolling
>>>>> through older alerts. Getting it right will take some patience and
>>>>> practice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Interaction has changed, kind of
>>>>> 
>>>>> With Cover Sheet, you can still swipe in either direction across a
>>>>> notification to do things like clear or open it. Only now, you can swipe
>>>>> all
>>>>> the way to complete the action without having to press the button once 
>>>>> it's
>>>>> visible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A long or hard press on an alert will also bring up more interaction
>>>>> options, as it did prior to iOS 11.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Access Today and Camera
>>>>> One benefit to the new Cover Sheet is it provides quick access to the 
>>>>> Today
>>>>> section and the Camera app. At any time you can swipe down, then swipe to
>>>>> the right or left to access the respective feature. Just make sure you're
>>>>> not touching an alert (I found using the edge of the screen to work quite
>>>>> well).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Original Article at:
>>>>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/making-sense-of-ios-11s-new-notification-center-
>>>>> cover-sheet/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
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Re: How iOS 11's Notification Center has changed - CNET

[Daniel Miller]

Oh trust me, there are tons of issues with notifications in the beans right 
now. I’m not going into detail about what they are, just be advised that there 
are issues.

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> On Jul 27, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Yes, you’re wrong, the beta as far as I can tell has notifications with out 
> issue.
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 2:16 AM, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
>> 
>> So how does this correlate with voiceover? I think in the beta we
>> can't yet access notification options am I wrong?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>>> On 7/27/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> CNET How To - Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 1:18 PM
>>> 
>>> How iOS 11's Notification Center has changed - CNET
>>> 
>>> After installing iOS 11 you're bound to notice a lot of small changes and
>>> some bigger changes. There's the ability to record your screen, a
>>> customizable control center, and then there's. Notification Center.
>>> Actually, it's no longer called Notification Center. It's now called Cover
>>> Sheet. It looks similar to the lock screen, but still works much in the
>>> same
>>> way Notification Center did.
>>> 
>>> It looks simple enough, right? You still swipe down from the top of the
>>> screen to view recent notifications, but now an additional swipe up is
>>> required to view older notifications. Notice the "Earlier Today" section.
>>> 
>>> To go back to the previous screen, you can swipe up from the very bottom of
>>> the screen. If you don't start at the bottom, you'll likely keep scrolling
>>> through older alerts. Getting it right will take some patience and
>>> practice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Interaction has changed, kind of
>>> 
>>> With Cover Sheet, you can still swipe in either direction across a
>>> notification to do things like clear or open it. Only now, you can swipe
>>> all
>>> the way to complete the action without having to press the button once it's
>>> visible.
>>> 
>>> A long or hard press on an alert will also bring up more interaction
>>> options, as it did prior to iOS 11.
>>> 
>>> Access Today and Camera
>>> One benefit to the new Cover Sheet is it provides quick access to the Today
>>> section and the Camera app. At any time you can swipe down, then swipe to
>>> the right or left to access the respective feature. Just make sure you're
>>> not touching an alert (I found using the edge of the screen to work quite
>>> well).
>>> 
>>> Original Article at:
>>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/making-sense-of-ios-11s-new-notification-center-
>>> cover-sheet/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

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> On Jul 3, 2017, at 12:15 AM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> 4-finger swipe left/right to switch apps and 3D touch on left edge for app 
> switcher don’t seem to work in iOS 11 beta.
> The return to last app and phone call buttons, as well as double-press HOME 
> button for app switcher still work.
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:24 AM Mary Otten  wrote:
>> I know, your android devices will tell you when you hit the home button. 
>> It's just slower. I have two of them, and it's definitely slower.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 2, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi. I can’t see it as a problem as my Android devices don’t have a home 
>> > button and Talkback will tell you when your finger is on the home button.
>> >> On 1 Jul 2017, at 02:29, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The impression I got from the article was that this button goes away in 
>> >> ios11. 11. Maybe I misunderstood what I read. I hope I did, because I use 
>> >> that a lot. And I'm aware of the app switcher. I'm also aware that the 
>> >> home button is apparently going away completely in terms of a physical 
>> >> feelable button on the next phone. So it will be interesting how Apple 
>> >> makes that easily findable with VO.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Mary,
>> >>> When you go into a link from an e-mail, there is a return to mail button 
>> >>> in the top left corner.  As far as returning to a previous app is 
>> >>> concerned, we have an app switcher for that.
>> >>>
>> >>> Chris
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Re: ios 11 beta

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You Need to be Using Xcode, so People That Don’t Have Max Essentially Cannot do 
This Process. You Need Xcode to Get The UD ID of Your Watch, Which Can Only be 
Found When Impaired iPhone is Connected to The Computer. Once The UD ID is 
Registered With The Developer site, Then You Install The Beta Profile on Your 
Watch and Check For Updates as Normal.

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> On Jul 2, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> How difficult is it to install the beta on the watch?
> 
> I thought this was a very involved process, did you find it simple or have 
> things changed since I last looked?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> 
>> Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
>> running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
>> though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so 
>> wish they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me 
>>> that the
>>> ping your phone 
>>> feature of the watch 
>>> isnt’ working currently?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  
>>> beta
>>> Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

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> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Ah I see this, no more purchased button.
> 
> Good point Nimer and glad to see you on here.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>> 
>> Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you 
>> previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same 
>> device after a reset or an uninstall.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>>> 
>>> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
>>> >
>>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>>> >> downloading apps is broken.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so 
>>> >>> might be
>>> >>> a good reason to try it.
>>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>>>  installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>>>  install them?
>>> 
>>>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>>>  you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>>> 
>>>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
>>> > 1-finger
>>> > flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange 
>>> > Apps”
>>> > it
>>> > will say “Edit Mode”.
>>> >
>>> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and 
>>> > Drop
>>> > where it used to say Move App.
>>> >
>>> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
>>> > Treat
>>> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you 
>>> > want
>>> > or
>>> > location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
>>> > that
>>> > folder.
>>> >
>>> > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
>>> > believe
>>> > you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
>>> > some
>>> > time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi!
>>> >> How do one drag and drop?
>>> >> And where did you find about that feature?
>>> >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>>> >> /A
>>> >>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>> >>> :
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but 
>>> >>> operate
>>> >>> differently.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me 
>>> >>> to a
>>> >>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>>> >>> Yes,
>>> >>> reporting this.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving 
>>> >>> them
>>> >>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>>> >>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand 
>>> >>> off
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>>> >>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>>> >>> go
>>> >>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>>> >>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I 
>>> >>> didn’t
>>> >>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>>> >>> but
>>> >>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no 
>>> >>> issues
>>> >>> updating or searching for apps.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>>> >>> iOS
>>> >>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>>>  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Daniel Miller]

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
> Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you 
> previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same device 
> after a reset or an uninstall.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>> 
>> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>> >
>> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
>> >
>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>> >> downloading apps is broken.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might 
>> >>> be
>> >>> a good reason to try it.
>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>>  installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>>  install them?
>> 
>>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>>  you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>> 
>>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
>> > 1-finger
>> > flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange 
>> > Apps”
>> > it
>> > will say “Edit Mode”.
>> >
>> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
>> > where it used to say Move App.
>> >
>> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
>> > Treat
>> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you 
>> > want
>> > or
>> > location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
>> > that
>> > folder.
>> >
>> > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
>> > believe
>> > you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
>> > some
>> > time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi!
>> >> How do one drag and drop?
>> >> And where did you find about that feature?
>> >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>> >> /A
>> >>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>> >>> :
>> >>>
>> >>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>> >>> differently.
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to 
>> >>> a
>> >>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>> >>> the
>> >>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>> >>> Yes,
>> >>> reporting this.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>> >>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>> >>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
>> >>> to
>> >>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>> >>>
>> >>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>> >>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>> >>>
>> >>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>> >>> go
>> >>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>> >>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>> >>>
>> >>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>> >>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>> >>> but
>> >>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>> >>>
>> >>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>> >>> updating or searching for apps.
>> >>>
>> >>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>> >>> iOS
>> >>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>>  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>  my 6S behaving any differently.
>>  1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>  actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>  2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>>  

Re: I Mac Pro.

[Daniel Miller]

If you want to spend what will probably amount to nearly $18000 on a computer 
that has so much power that the average blind person doesn’t need, go right 
ahead.
> On Jun 23, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> And scott,
> 
> 
> A screen that a blind person can't appreciate!
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2017 2:01 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I Mac Pro.
> 
> I really do need to work for you, you’re talking tens of thousands to do that 
> most likely.  A maxed unit has 128 GB of ram, 16 GB of video memory, 18 
> cores, 4 TB of storage and so forth.  That will be one hell of a machine.  
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> And Scott, I am going to max it out,  Maximum memory, maximum ram and may be 
>> I won't need to change that machine for a number of years!  I just want a 
>> new gadget although I will probably want quite a few new apple gadgets.
>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 21:34, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I need to come work for you if you’re running around with iMac pro money.;)
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 I am thinking of buying the new I Mac Pro when it is released in December. 
  It's been almost 5 years since I've had my I Mac.  I am rather excited 
 that a new I Mac is on the way.  I will be looking for anyone in the UK on 
 this list who may want an I Mac as I am going to sell this one as cheaply 
 as possible around the three or £400 mark.  I am just letting those of you 
 know who live in the UK to find out if anyone will want an I Mac come 
 Christmas time.
 
 I hope the new I Mac Pro will have the same screen width as this one just 
 about fits on the back of my desk as I have the 27 inch model.
 Kawal.
 
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Re: sos tone from mac book

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Simon. This means that your EFI ROM is corrupted, and the computer is in EFI 
rom recovery mode. Unfortunately, this mode is not accessible, and since your 
computer is not new enough, it does not recover on its own. You need a restore 
CD which you can obtain through Apple. I suggest contacting them.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 6:03 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Listers,
>  
> I’ve got a mac book from approx. 2008 2009, it’s a 13” notebook and when I 
> power it on it gives a tone like S.O.S but reversed three long tones three 
> short and then three long again,
>  
> I’ve taken out the ram and replaced it including with incorrect ram which 
> gives a 3 tone chime which keeps going on and on and twhen the ram was 
> corrected it went back to the S.O.S tone,
>  
> There doesn’t appear to be any text on the screen
>  
> Does anyone have any idea what might be hpappening with this machine.
>  
> It has been powered off for approx. 12 months and last time it was used was 
> to migrate data from it to a new mac book air.
>  
> I’d love to get this machine up and running again if anyone can give me info 
> on what is possibly happening.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
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Re: More on Swift Playgrounds

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You also won't be able to run iOS 11 on that iPad either.

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> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Huh.  That's too bad.  I was really looking forward to checking it out, but 
> I'm not going to buy an iPad just to do that.  thanks, Tim.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> For whatever reason, Apple did not make Swift Playground compatible with the 
>> current iPad line.  Only the iPad Air, the iPad Mini 2 and up along with the 
>> iPad Pro models.  There's usually some underlying rationale to do with the 
>> processor, the graphics capabilities or sometimes just because that's what 
>> they've decided.  In any case, it appears that your out of luck with that 
>> model of iPad.
>> 
>> Sorry.
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 06:54, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> so after much effort, I've gotten my husband's iPad updated.  The iPad is a 
>> 4th gen.  But when I try to download Swift Playgrounds, I get an error 
>> message that it is not compatible with my device.  That doesn't seem 
>> possible, given that the 5th gens aren't out yet.  Anyone have any ideas 
>> what the problem might be?
>> TIA,
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Twitterrific for mac kickstarter campaign.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi all.  I wanted to pass along a link to a kickstarter campaign for 
Twitterrific for Mac. As some of you may know, that App was developed years 
ago, but stopped receiving updates. They're trying to bring it back to life, 
but gneed ghelp.

I strongly urge everybody to back it, since the state of accessible Twitter 
applications for the Mac is absolutely disgraceful. Yes, they have included 
VoiceOver accessibility as one of the features.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1548768604/twitterrific-for-mac-project-phoenixSent
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Re: earpods

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You have to switch to the AirPods from with in control center. Swipe left to 
the second page, and there will be an audio destination option. AirPods are 
listed there.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:22 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> David,
>  
> What’s the story with the Earpods picking up audio / voiceover from other 
> devices such as my apple watch or iPad?
>  
> Both show the pods in the Bluetooth devices and as connected but I can’t get 
> the pods to pick up vo speech
>  
> If I say I wish to foget the pods then it prompts to forget from all devices.
>  
> Yet there is nothing to say this is normal,
>  
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2017 10:47 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: earpods
>  
> I love my AirPods. When first received, plug them in to charge. After several 
> hours, open the case whilst near the iPhone and the option pops up to pair. 
> The AirPods fit nicely and stay in my ears. They are slightly smaller than 
> the EarPods. Sometimes, the activation requires placing them in the ear a few 
> times before they activate. The pairing information is transferred across all 
> devices on the account. However, the AirPods must be connected to the desired 
> device through the BlueTooth menu.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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> On 24/01/2017, at 21:30, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi list,
>  
> Well I’ve just received an email from Apple to say my new Earpods are being 
> shipped.
>  
> Does anyone have any experience with them yet and if so what should I be 
> expecting?
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Re: Finding purchased tones

[Daniel Miller]

You can't, unfortunately. Tones aren't able to be redownloaded. 

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> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:30 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Hello,
> Can someone tell me how to use my new iPhone SE to find all the tones I have 
> purchased.
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> Peace,
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Re: reading battery level in sierra, and a few other things

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Hi Mike. They took away the time remaining indicator on the status bar, which 
messes it up for voiceover users since voiceover does not read the percentage 
that's visually there.  Urge everybody to write to accessibility and apple.com 
and get them to revert this behavior immediately.

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> Hey everyone, going to cover a few different things in one message. First, as 
> the subject says, has anyone else had issues reading the time remaining or 
> percentage of a macbook battery in sierra? This happens on my 2010 macbook, 
> and my girl friend's 2015 macbook pro. While in the status menus, moving left 
> and right with the voiceover cursor allows you to get to the battery item, 
> but it just says battery or something similar, no time remaining or 
> percentage, this happens whether the option to show the percentage is checked 
> or not in the menu. The only way I know of to get around this is to check it 
> in the energy saver settings in system preferences. Interestingly, you can no 
> longer use the regular arrow keys to navigate the status menus, you must use 
> VO navigation. I don't mind this, actually it's more consistent this way 
> since before, the arrow keys only navigated built in items like wifi or the 
> battery, third party items such as dropbox always have required VO navigation 
> to access them.
> I can confirm that on the 2010 macbook, the same issue I had with my 2010 mac 
> mini does happen, when using Alex, speech disappears, sometimes for a few 
> seconds, sometimes completely, again, switching to a Nuance voice resolved it.
> I actually got a Christmas present for myself, a new mac mini, the issue does 
> not happen on the newer hardware. I am using a fit headless adapter connected 
> to the HDMI port, out of curiosity, I decided to disconnect it and see if 
> voiceover was as sluggish as it used to be, surprisingly, I didn't notice 
> much difference. I didn't run it this way for a long time, but I wonder if 
> Apple has finally fixed this issue for voiceover users. If not, the fit 
> headless adapter is definitely a good solution.
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Re: Mac OS safe mode

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. I can't speak for single-user mode, but for safe mode, if you have an Apple 
TV it will work over airplay to get speech.

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> Hi List,
>  
> I’ve recently done a mac training course with a certification exam to come, 
> this is for el capitan  currently but I’ll be looking at updating it in early 
> 2017 with a sierra certification as well.
>  
> Two sections of the course dealt with problem solving issues within the Mac 
> OS version,
> Including having to use both Single User mode and Safe mode.
>  
> For those that don’t know what these are,
>  
> Single user mode is back to a unix command line interface with no GUI and 
> carefully written commands or your rebuilding your machine from scratch.
>  
> Safe mode is the gui interface but the machines running on no devices 
> including audio.
>  
> What I’d like to know is if anyone is aware of a way to get speech in to the 
> single user mode command line interface and also audio working in safe mode 
> to allow voiceover to work or something that will allow you to use the 
> machine in safe mode with some form of audio output?
>  
>   I’m not a braille user so that wouldn’t work even if you could use a 
> braille device to read what is on the screan.
>  
> These things would need to be real time so using my phone with a KNFB reader 
> type software wouldn’t work as I’d have to be working fast to recover or 
> correct system related issues.
>  
> Has anyone got any suggestions here?
>  
> There must be a way to incorporate audio into these modes?
>  
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Re: Problem with Owc Thunderbolt dock under Windows 7 with bootcamp

[Daniel Miller]

Thunderbolt requires windows eight and leader, unfortunately. Looks like you'll 
be upgrading to that version of Windows.

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> Hi all.
> I thought, at the time of purchase, this would be the ideal solution
> for me. I have an eleven inch Macbook Air, and so I'm limited on how
> many peripherals I can connect. So, I purchased a Thunderbolt dock to
> offset this challenge. It works fine under Mac OS, but will not work
> under Windows 7 on my Bootcamp partition. I plugged it in while
> running Windows, with no results, so switched to Mac OS and it works
> great. However, for the skae of my employer, I must run Windows. When
> I plug the device in under Windows, I got the error that the hardware
> had not been installed properly. I rebooted, and tried again. Now, in
> the System Tray, I have an eject Hardware option, with the Thunderbolt
> Doc now as an option to eject. However, even when plugging in a USB
> keyboard, Windows doesn't appear to recognize that it's there. I also
> tried an external hard drive. I can't find it under device manager to
> uninstall the driver, and there doesn't seem to be much on Google
> regarding the subject. So, does anyone else happen to know what I can
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Re: iTunes match questions

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. You do not need to be invested in the separate iTunes match service 
anymore. They incorporate the matching functionality into Apple Music. So if 
you upload all of your songs to iCloud music library that weren't  iTunes, they 
will remain on all your devices. As far as duplicates, what I  usually do is 
delete  the copies of songs and then re-download them. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Nov 4, 2016, at 9:09 AM, aliFaisal  wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
> I am a current apple music subscriber, and wish to possibly invest in iTunes 
> match but had some questions.
> I understand that the service matches your library with what it has in the 
> store and provides you to download the matched song. I also have a lot of 
> songs I have added with apple music. How does it go about apple music songs 
> and playlist? Does it match those as well?
> I have a large library with songs in the thousands. What would be the easiest 
> and the most convenient way of determining whether the service has found 
> matches for a song that I am listening to. would this information be 
> reflected in the contextual menu on the song?
> And finally, when one downloads the matched song, what then happens to the 
> original file that was in your library? does it get replaced or will it 
> create duplicates.
> If it doesn’t replace them outright, is there a way to set iTunes to do that? 
> I am pretty busy on most days and do not have the time to sift through and 
> find duplicates that iTunes match has created with the matched songs. I want 
> to automate the process as much as I can.
> Thanking you in advance for your feedback.
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Re: Tapback Messages

[Daniel Miller]

Tapbacks aren't currently accessible. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Oct 23, 2016, at 1:00 PM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   In macOS Sierra how does one invoke this feature? I do not see it on the 
> context menu.
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> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: universal copy/paste not working

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Make sure you have iCloud keychain enabled on both devices as well.

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
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> Hi Everyone,
> I just installed os x sierra and i have ios 10 on my idevice. Bluetooth is 
> turned on on both devices as is handoff. Both devices are loged into icloud. 
> Still: universal copy/paste does not seem to be working. I enter text in 
> textedit on the mac, hit select all and copy when i try to pase it on ios 
> using the vo rotor the text does not get pasted. I already tried restarting 
> both devices to no avail.
> Anyone knows whats going on? Icloud seems to be working well otherwise 
> emailadresses and remidners get synced correctly from one device to the 
> other. The mac is from 2013 so 3 years old. The iphone is 2 years old, an 
> iphone 6.
> Thanks in advance for any info,
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released

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The reason it gives you the option of installing a profile on the watch is 
because the watch is paired with the iPhone. There’s no watch profile for 
public beta testers, so that article clearly doesn’t know what it’s talking 
about.
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:14 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
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> Interesting, when I logged in to the public beta site with the iPhone it gave 
> me the option to update both the phone profile and the watch.  I did not 
> touch the watch update.
> 
> I am not a developer to be clear I participate in the public only.  Redmond 
> pie also included the watch update in their press release.  I can provide the 
> link if requested.
> 
> 
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>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> I wanted to correct you on something, the watchOS 3.1 beta is for developers 
>> only.
>>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> IOS, Sierra and Watch public betas have been released.  Being a .1 release 
>>> a lot of these are bug fixes.
>>> 
>>> Note for voice over users on installation, when you reboot / restart to 
>>> install there’s a window that appears, OSX setup with no windows, just wait 
>>> here about 10 to 20 minutes.  Install is taking place but no Voice over 
>>> status update.  Once you hear the startup chime the voice over starts, sees 
>>> the apple and a percentage reading.  It sticks on 0% but it’s working, wait 
>>> another 10 to 20 minutes and your normal password prompt appears or you’ll 
>>> authenticate automatically if you’re using the watch.
>>> 
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Re: Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Scott,

I wanted to correct you on something, the watchOS 3.1 beta is for developers 
only.
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> IOS, Sierra and Watch public betas have been released.  Being a .1 release a 
> lot of these are bug fixes.
> 
> Note for voice over users on installation, when you reboot / restart to 
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> here about 10 to 20 minutes.  Install is taking place but no Voice over 
> status update.  Once you hear the startup chime the voice over starts, sees 
> the apple and a percentage reading.  It sticks on 0% but it’s working, wait 
> another 10 to 20 minutes and your normal password prompt appears or you’ll 
> authenticate automatically if you’re using the watch.
> 
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> file and running the installation pkg, the app store will update you via the 
> normal update mechanism.
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Re: Dictation and speech with Sierra?

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Dictation is in the keyboard pane of system preferences.
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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> Hi Kliff. I can't say for sure where the dictation part is, but speech has 
> been moved to accessibility.
> 
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>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Charlie Doremus > > wrote:
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>> That is correct.
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Blee Blat > > wrote:
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>> preferences. It's another tab next to the input tab.
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Re: Tap Back in Messages on Sierra

[Daniel Miller]

It doesn't seem to be accessible at the moment. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:27 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
> 
> One of the features listed is that you can do the tap backs in messages, like 
> heart, thumbs up, thumbs down, etc.
> 
> How do we access this in Voiceover? I’m not seeing the option.
> 
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Re: IOS 10 release

[Daniel Miller]

Yes, that's the gold master build. That releases tomorrow. However, I have a 
feeling they will be releasing another gold master bill today, since that build 
it gives the number of 10.0.1, not 10.0.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 6:38 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> Is it the gold master? The update is not yet available as I do not have a 
> beta account.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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>> On 12/09/2016, at 10:16 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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>> Morning all,
>>  
>> I know that this isn’t meant to happen until the 13th,
>>  
>> But I’ve just had a look at something on my iPad 4 mini and while in general 
>> / settings opened software updates to find an update of IOS 10 waiting for 
>> install.
>>  
>> I have been Public beta testing but this gives a list of a number of new IOS 
>> 10 features
>>  
>> And it is not being refered to as part of the beta installs.
>>  
>> Anyone know if there has been an early release to people, or is this an 
>> addition to the beta releases?
>>  
>> ‘ I believe it was version 10.0.1.14 A or something along that line under 
>> about this phone.
>>  
>> Cheers,
>>  
>>  
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Re: AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Scott. No, you're incorrect. The iPhone itself does not have the W one chip, 
that is in the air pots. It uses iCloud to propagate the set up of the air pots 
to your phone and your watch to other Apple devices running iOS 10, or OS X 
sierra. Also that includes watchOS 3. It does have standard Bluetooth pairing, 
which means you can. With non-Apple devices with the pairing button that's on 
the air pots case.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Sep 9, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> No, in the iPhone itself there’s a W1 processor from what I understand.  It’s 
> a separate dye from the communications chip for networking.  Correct me if 
> I’m wrong but that’s what I took home from the keynote.
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 4:22 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought from the keynote yesterday that the w1 chip was the heart of the 
>> airpods not that the phoes / devices neede the w1  chip to connect to the 
>> pods,
>>  
>> Guess we findout when they are released in about 6 weeks.
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, 9 September 2016 11:07 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome
>>  
>> All I know is what I read in the article.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> How will they work with out the W1 chip say in my iPad or Mac?  Do they also 
>> support bluetooth?
>>  
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>  
>> Here is some more on the air pods. They will work with your Mac or your iPad 
>> or other iPhones that are logged in to the same iCloud as your new iPhone  
>> AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome
>> Macworld  /  Susie Ochs
>> 
>> 
>> I didn’t want to like the AirPods, I really didn’t. But in the hands-on area 
>> after Apple’s iPhone 7 event on Wednesday, I found myself dancing along in 
>> spite of myself—and the AirPods stayed put, feeling surprisingly secure. 
>> With convenient features on both the hardware and software sides, I have to 
>> admit that Apple’s totally-wireless AirPods kind of rocked my world.
>> When they’re in your ears, the AirPods kind of look like the old wired 
>> EarPods that someone snipped the wires off of. The earbud part fills your 
>> ear just as before, and a plastic stem hangs down a bit below your earlobe. 
>> They’re the same general shape as the EarPods and made from the same hard 
>> white plastic.
>> Now, that plastic has been a deal-breaker for me for years—I hate how normal 
>> EarPods feel in my ears. They don’t seem like they’re going to stay put, and 
>> they simply fall out if I move my head too much. Even if they do stay in, 
>> after about a half hour, my ears just start to ache, although I don’t 
>> experience the same pain when using earbuds with silicone or foam tips. 
>> Since the AirPods look so similar, I expected them to feel the same too—and 
>> I’m surprised and happy to report that I was dead wrong.
>> Not only did I dance, I headbanged. I shook my head side to side, I tossed 
>> my hair, I jogged in place, and I looked silly doing all of it. The AirPods 
>> stayed put, and they stayed loud. The music (more Sia, naturally) sounded 
>> full and lush and I couldn’t hear a single word anyone around me was saying, 
>> as if I was completely sealed off in a bubble of rock and roll. Pretty 
>> impressive.
>> For Apple devices only
>> 
>> The AirPods’ special features are pretty impressive too, even though that 
>> specialness means they only work with Apple devices. You don’t need a 
>> brand-new iPhone or Apple Watch to use them, but they only support Apple 
>> devices running the latest operating systems: iOS 10, macOS Sierra, and 
>> watchOS 3. The AirPods use Bluetooth, so you would think maybe there’d be a 
>> way to pair them to an Android phone or an iOS 8 device since those have 
>> Bluetooth too, but there’s no button on the AirPods to put them into pairing 
>> mode. We’ll test to confirm when we get review units, but it seems like the 
>> AirPods will only be “seen” by Apple devices.
>> Susie Ochs
>> When the AirPods are in your ears, your paired iPhone will play to them 
>> automatically. See the little AirPods icon?
>> When you first flip open the glossy white carrying box—which looks like the 
>> most high-tech pack of TicTacs ever—you’ll see a screen on your nearby 
>> iPhone offering to pair. (That’s just the first time; you won’t have to do 
>> this every time you want to use the AirPods.) Once you’ve paired them to 
>> your iPhone, you can also use them the Apple Watch that’s paired to your 
>> iPhone, as well as with any iPad and Mac that’s signed in to the same iCloud 
>> account. I didn’t get to test how seamless it is to switch between devices, 
>> but the idea 

Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[Daniel Miller]

While I agree that this is being blown way out of proportion, according to the 
images that are on the Apple website and in the store app, there is not a pass 
the report for charging with the new lightning to 3.5mm  adapter. That would 
probably explain why it's only nine dollars to replace it.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I am not in the least bit surprised that Apple thought this through 
> carefully. Reminds me of the date 12/2q/12 that so many believed was the end 
> of the world. The Mayans did not get it wrong, they just did not get around 
> to updating their calendar. Probably many said "I told you so".
> 
>   I hear that echo now. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 9/7/2016 11:56 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in your 
>> phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
>> 
>> Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to spout 
>> off and get clicks for his blog.
>> 
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Re: checking progress of downloads

[Daniel Miller]

Press command shift L, then interact with the table. You can interact with each 
specific download to get more information.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Aug 21, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> I feel completely stupid here as I think I’ve asked this before but is there 
> a quick way to check the progress of a download from Safari? 
> 
> I’ve gone to the tool bar and interacted with the Downloads button but 
> nothing seems to happen. 
> 
> Thanks.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: IOS & watch beta question

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

Not really, seeing as the watch has no user-accessible port for that kind of 
thing. The only port it does have is covered. Plus, watchOS doesn’t rely on 
iTunes for the restore process.
> On Aug 18, 2016, at 5:57 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> It's crazy that you have to send the watch away to apple to get the beta of 
> watch os changed back to a production version,
> 
> For me the closest apple store is either Sydney or Melbourne austrailia 
> That for me is about a 6 hour flight 4 hours of which is international 
> 
> Must be great for you americans with an apple store in most towns,
> 
> But then safer and cheaper for me that we don't have an apple store here near 
> my town.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2016 7:01 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question
> 
> LoL! I nearly did. But, at the time, my watch was locked, so whatever 
> couldn’t be installed. Not gonna say too much on here, obviously. But you get 
> what I’m saying.
>> On 17 Aug 2016, at 14:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> LOL!
>> ---
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>> Training Instructor.
>> 
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>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" 
>> <si...@blinky-net.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:25 AM
>> Subject: RE: IOS & watch beta question
>> 
>> 
>> Don't tell me that chris, Now I might have to up grade to os watch 
>> beta> Lol.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 2:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question
>> 
>> Um, yeah.  I can't say that I blame you.  I upgraded my watch, but then, I 
>> see no reason to roll back.  I can't reveal any specifics, but I will say I 
>> find it to be unbelievably rock solid.
>> ---
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>> ----- Original Message -
>> From: "christopher hallsworth" <challswor...@icloud.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 5:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question
>> 
>> 
>> Oh, that’s that then. Again, will definitely stay away, until at least 
>> it will be possible to roll back yourself.
>>> On 16 Aug 2016, at 10:46, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, once you've upgraded your watch to a beta version of 
>>> watchOS, there is no way to restore back to the shipping version 
>>> yourself. You need to send your watch back to Apple so they can do it for 
>>> you.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Chris
>>>> 
>>>> Fully understand that one,
>>>> I do know that if things go crazy the removal is done through the 
>>>> same process of how you install, its just a case of uninstalling the 
>>>> OS through removing the profile previously installed.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher 
>>>> hallsworth
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 6:59 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question
>>>> 
>>>> I’m staying right where I am. Yes, I could, install watchOS 3.0 
>>>> beta, but should there be any problems, I would have no clue on how 
>>>> to restore it back to version 2.22. Good luck.
>>>>> On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:03, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Team,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my spor

Re: IOS & watch beta question

[Daniel Miller]

Actually, once you've upgraded your watch to a beta version of watchOS, there 
is no way to restore back to the shipping version yourself. You need to send 
your watch back to Apple so they can do it for you.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris 
> 
> Fully understand that one,
> I do know that if things go crazy the removal is done through the same 
> process of how you install, its just a case of uninstalling the OS through 
> removing the profile previously installed.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 6:59 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question
> 
> I’m staying right where I am. Yes, I could, install watchOS 3.0 beta, but 
> should there be any problems, I would have no clue on how to restore it back 
> to version 2.22. Good luck.
>> On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Team,
>> 
>> I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?
>> 
>> I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to 
>> install the lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe it 
>> has yet installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I wrong in 
>> this and 2.22 is the current beta version, Can anyone advise.
>> 
>> Chers,
>> 
>> 
>> Simon f.
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Re: IOS & watch beta question

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

No, watchOS 3 isn’t available as a public beta.
> On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> So this is not yet available for the public beta?
>  
> Interestingly enough it allows you to  download a profile on to your watch 
> but doesn’t seem to let it install.
>  
> Oh well
>  
> Thanks anyway.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2016 9:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question
>  
> Hi. 3.0 is the current beta version, which you need to have paid $99 for 
> Apple developer program to access. You need to install the beta profile on 
> your watch, and then check for software updates. But if you did not pay $99 
> for the developer program, you can't download the profile, nor can you 
> register your UDID, which will break your watch if you attempt installation.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
> On Aug 15, 2016, at 4:03 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Team,
>  
> I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?
>  
> I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to install the 
> lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe it has yet 
> installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I wrong in this and 
> 2.22 is the current beta version, 
> Can anyone advise.
>  
> Chers,
>  
>  
> Simon f.
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Re: IOS & watch beta question

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. 3.0 is the current beta version, which you need to have paid $99 for Apple 
developer program to access. You need to install the beta profile on your 
watch, and then check for software updates. But if you did not pay $99 for the 
developer program, you can't download the profile, nor can you register your 
UDID, which will break your watch if you attempt installation.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 4:03 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Team,
>  
> I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?
>  
> I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to install the 
> lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe it has yet 
> installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I wrong in this and 
> 2.22 is the current beta version,
> Can anyone advise.
>  
> Chers,
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>  
> Simon f.
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Re: Getting the shipping version of El Capitan, 10.11.5, back from the Public beta program

[Daniel Miller]

The only way you'll be able to do that then is to create a USB install key of 
the shipping 10.11.5. You can still read download it from the app store to 
create the installer. There's a program called DiskMaker X, which will help in 
the installer creation process.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 30, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> So, I have a bit of a problem. I will be getting a new Mac soon and I will be 
> giving this Mac to a new owner. I believe my only Time Machine backups are 
> the ones that Time machine created while the beta was installed, so can’t 
> restore from them. That hopefully won’t be problematic once i get the new 
> machine. First, how do I remove this Mac from the El Capitan beta program? 
> Second, how can I re-download the El Capitan installer? Right now it won’t 
> let me get it from the app Store because I have a newer version, the beta. I 
> could go the Internet Recovery route and have it install Snow Leopard, but 
> that doesn’t have VOiceOver support, sadly. I may have to do that though 
> since I can’t download the installer, the “Reinstall OS X” option in current 
> recovery will simply just install what I already have, and Time Machine 
> backups will install a previous beta. *shrug*
> Any help would be much appreciated.
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Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?

[Daniel Miller]

For your information, I have tried touch bars on computers. No, it wasn't a 
Mac, it was a Windows machine. It had standard function keys, but it also had a 
touch sensitive strip for things like controlling Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, volume, 
etc. It was an absolute pain in the ass, so I would appreciate all your 
snobbish remarks being left off the topic.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Smart, like something you have no idea what you’re talking about or used.  
> That’s like saying you don’t like something with out trying it.  That’s a 
> little baby move.  Babies say I hate vegetables, have you tried vegetables, 
> no, what happens when you try them, they like them and they eat a salad a day 
> like me.:)  Point is don’t knock it until you try it.  You have the absolute 
> right to not like something but we have the right to call you out for not 
> even trying it.  As someone mentioned don’t even bother if you are going in 
> to it so negatively.
> 
> 
>> On 6/10/16, 10:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
>> behalf of miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Even if they do find a way to make it accessible, I'm still within my right 
>> to dislike it, which I will probably end up doing. Not to mention, if you 
>> follow any Apple new site, every single one is reporting not only that this 
>> new machine will supposedly have the touch bar, they will be replacing the 
>> USB ports with all USB type seaports, which is another annoying issue and in 
>> itself.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:42 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Remember that crazy idea about blind people having to try and use touch 
>>> screan devices such as phones or tablets, 
>>> 
>>> Who would have thought that would take off!
>>> 
>>> Lets not judge it until we see it, apple have been pretty good with 
>>> accessibility so far, they may have thought of something that as yet we 
>>> haven't and besides, it's still a few days away before its announced.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
>>> Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2016 10:22 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
>>> 
>>> I’m sorry, but I don’t see this one a something I’ll change my tune about.
>>> If the rumors are indeed true, each key will have no tactile boundary for a 
>>> visually impaired person to be able to distinguish from, thus making the 
>>> touch bar a complete accessibility nightmare, unless they re-engineer OS X 
>>> or whatever they’re going to call it next, so that the bar has some type of 
>>> voiceover support built in.
>>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:14 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sight (or shall I say, touch) unseen? How many times have we thought the 
>>>> same of new innovative features that no one has even had hands on exposure 
>>>> to? Then sang a new tune once we had that hands on experience? Many many 
>>>> times.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>>> true?
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/10/2016 2:57 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>> I think the touch bar is stupid, enough said.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rumor has it that the soon forth coming Mac book pros will feature a 
>>>>>> touch bar instead of function keys on the keyboard.  This raises an 
>>>>>> interesting question.  Assuming that Voice Over is turned off on any one 
>>>>>> of the new Mac book Pros that a blind user goes up to, how is a blind 
>>>>>> person supposed to turn on Voice Over if there are no physical function 
>>>>>> keys but instead a touch bar?  I think maybe I can guess.  If a blind 
>>>>>> person needs to turn on Voice OVer, it should be possible by pressing 
>>>>>> VO+touch anyware on the bar and that should

Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?

[Daniel Miller]

Holy wow. This thread is turning into a gigantic piss fest. Maybe we should all 
just wait until Apple announces something, whenever they announce it. If they 
do indeed still give us function keys, everybody can go back to being a nice 
happy little family.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 11, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, then clarify, please, as I'm obviously confused, but would like to give 
> you a fair chance to explain.
>  
> I'm confused about your comment when you said:
>  
> I thought I’d start that little rumour and see what happened.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?

[Daniel Miller]

Who even said they're announcing these machines on Monday or Tuesday? Lmao 
hilarious. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 11, 2016, at 5:15 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> NO,
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2016 4:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
>  
> Wait!
>  
> OK, maybe it's now me! that's reading too much into things, but, are you 
> saying you started this rumor on list about the touch bar thing just to see 
> what people would do?  If so, then, um?  That wasn't very nice.  LOL!
> ---
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> - Original Message -
> From: Simon Fogarty
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:52 PM
> Subject: RE: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
>  
> Most of us normally do but I thought I’d start that little rumour and see 
> what happened.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2016 2:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
>  
> Lol I forgot about the potential of Siri.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
> On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey what about the rumour that the new apple notebooks are going to have this 
> touch bar but also siri which will allow you to turn voiceover on by just 
> saying hey siri!
>  
> Wont that be great.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2016 1:07 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
>  
> I've tried to stay away from all the speculative threads, but I wanted to 
> remind everyone that this isn't Apple's first rodeo. Plus, this is all over 
> rumors, backed up by a few images; we have no real idea what will happen in 
> the future. What if this is all false, and it doesn't happen? What if this 
> bar has taptic feedback, so that touching it simulates touching keys? What if 
> the keys are there, but each is a screen instead of plastic?
>  
> But let's assume the worst: a smooth, glass surface that provides no feedback 
> when touched, unless VoiceOver is on. Why the automatic assumptions that 
> Apple will forget about VoiceOver? Remember the rumors that flew when the 
> Apple Watch was presented, and didn't use its internal speaker on stage? 
> People jumped to the conclusion that it lacked such a speaker and thus would 
> be totally inaccessible. The Watch on my wrist tells me that was a false 
> alarm. Or when, you know, Apple pretty much invented screen-reading on a 
> device with no buttons, in the iPod Touch and then iPhone? Or when it 
> included great VoiceOver features in the (smooth and featureless) glass of 
> the Apple TV 4 remote? Or when it made sure that there was some form of 
> audible feedback when booting into an encrypted system, even though VoiceOver 
> couldn't be used at the login prompts?
>  
> But let's throw out history and assume Apple does the thing some people think 
> they will: they make this Mac, and don't include any way of toggling 
> VoiceOver on. No simple trackpad gesture, no holding the command key and 
> tapping twice anywhere on the bar, nothing whatsoever. In that incredibly 
> unlikely case, you simply don't buy the newest Mac until a software update 
> fixes the problem. I really don't understand the negativity here, is all I'm 
> saying.
> On Jun 10, 2016, at 18:09, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> If they replace the function keys with the touch sensitive bar,I  along with 
> probably most of this list will lose a lot of respect for them as a company. 
> I understand that they're supposed to integrate touch ID into this bar, but 
> there are several other places on the machine itself or touch ID could be 
> integrated without having to lose physical function keys. I have a feeling 
> the Tim Cook led Apple  is valuing form over function, which for people with 
> disabilities, isn't always the best idea. Lenovo attempted this no function 
> key idea with one of their machines, and guess what? It absolutely bombed, 
> even for people that did not have a disability.
> 
> Sent 

Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?

[Daniel Miller]

Lol I forgot about the potential of Siri.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey what about the rumour that the new apple notebooks are going to have this 
> touch bar but also siri which will allow you to turn voiceover on by just 
> saying hey siri!
>  
> Wont that be great.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2016 1:07 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
>  
> I've tried to stay away from all the speculative threads, but I wanted to 
> remind everyone that this isn't Apple's first rodeo. Plus, this is all over 
> rumors, backed up by a few images; we have no real idea what will happen in 
> the future. What if this is all false, and it doesn't happen? What if this 
> bar has taptic feedback, so that touching it simulates touching keys? What if 
> the keys are there, but each is a screen instead of plastic?
>  
> But let's assume the worst: a smooth, glass surface that provides no feedback 
> when touched, unless VoiceOver is on. Why the automatic assumptions that 
> Apple will forget about VoiceOver? Remember the rumors that flew when the 
> Apple Watch was presented, and didn't use its internal speaker on stage? 
> People jumped to the conclusion that it lacked such a speaker and thus would 
> be totally inaccessible. The Watch on my wrist tells me that was a false 
> alarm. Or when, you know, Apple pretty much invented screen-reading on a 
> device with no buttons, in the iPod Touch and then iPhone? Or when it 
> included great VoiceOver features in the (smooth and featureless) glass of 
> the Apple TV 4 remote? Or when it made sure that there was some form of 
> audible feedback when booting into an encrypted system, even though VoiceOver 
> couldn't be used at the login prompts?
>  
> But let's throw out history and assume Apple does the thing some people think 
> they will: they make this Mac, and don't include any way of toggling 
> VoiceOver on. No simple trackpad gesture, no holding the command key and 
> tapping twice anywhere on the bar, nothing whatsoever. In that incredibly 
> unlikely case, you simply don't buy the newest Mac until a software update 
> fixes the problem. I really don't understand the negativity here, is all I'm 
> saying.
> On Jun 10, 2016, at 18:09, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> If they replace the function keys with the touch sensitive bar,I  along with 
> probably most of this list will lose a lot of respect for them as a company. 
> I understand that they're supposed to integrate touch ID into this bar, but 
> there are several other places on the machine itself or touch ID could be 
> integrated without having to lose physical function keys. I have a feeling 
> the Tim Cook led Apple  is valuing form over function, which for people with 
> disabilities, isn't always the best idea. Lenovo attempted this no function 
> key idea with one of their machines, and guess what? It absolutely bombed, 
> even for people that did not have a disability.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Honestly, totally agreed.
> ---
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> Training Instructor.
> 
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" <miller...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
> 
> 
> I think the touch bar is stupid, enough said.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Rumor has it that the soon forth coming Mac book pros will feature a touch 
> bar instead of function keys on the keyboard.  This raises an interesting 
> question.  Assuming that Voice Over is turned off on any one of the new Mac 
> book Pros that a blind user goes up to, how is a blind person supposed to 
> turn on Voice Over if there are no physical function keys but instead a touch 
> bar?  I think maybe I can guess.  If a blind person needs to turn on Voice 
> OVer, it should be possible by pressing VO+touch anyware on the bar and that 
> should do it.  Or else, triple tap the bar to turn Voice OVer on. I can 
> almost imagine the e-mails now.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full acc

Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?

[Daniel Miller]

Even if they do find a way to make it accessible, I'm still within my right to 
dislike it, which I will probably end up doing. Not to mention, if you follow 
any Apple new site, every single one is reporting not only that this new 
machine will supposedly have the touch bar, they will be replacing the USB 
ports with all USB type seaports, which is another annoying issue and in itself.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:42 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Remember that crazy idea about blind people having to try and use touch 
> screan devices such as phones or tablets, 
> 
> Who would have thought that would take off!
> 
> Lets not judge it until we see it, apple have been pretty good with 
> accessibility so far, they may have thought of something that as yet we 
> haven't and besides, it's still a few days away before its announced.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2016 10:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
> 
> I’m sorry, but I don’t see this one a something I’ll change my tune about.
> If the rumors are indeed true, each key will have no tactile boundary for a 
> visually impaired person to be able to distinguish from, thus making the 
> touch bar a complete accessibility nightmare, unless they re-engineer OS X or 
> whatever they’re going to call it next, so that the bar has some type of 
> voiceover support built in.
>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:14 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Sight (or shall I say, touch) unseen? How many times have we thought the 
>> same of new innovative features that no one has even had hands on exposure 
>> to? Then sang a new tune once we had that hands on experience? Many many 
>> times.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>> 
>>> On 6/10/2016 2:57 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>> I think the touch bar is stupid, enough said.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> 
>>>> Rumor has it that the soon forth coming Mac book pros will feature a touch 
>>>> bar instead of function keys on the keyboard.  This raises an interesting 
>>>> question.  Assuming that Voice Over is turned off on any one of the new 
>>>> Mac book Pros that a blind user goes up to, how is a blind person supposed 
>>>> to turn on Voice Over if there are no physical function keys but instead a 
>>>> touch bar?  I think maybe I can guess.  If a blind person needs to turn on 
>>>> Voice OVer, it should be possible by pressing VO+touch anyware on the bar 
>>>> and that should do it.  Or else, triple tap the bar to turn Voice OVer on. 
>>>>  I can almost imagine the e-mails now.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>> blind built-in
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, 
>>>> Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>> 
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Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?

[Daniel Miller]

lol, so what are you gonna do, swipe to each function key and double tap, all 
while holding down appropriate modifier keys? :) no thanks, I’ll stick with my 
normal function keys.
> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:25 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Rumors be dammed. (smiles) Anyone who takes rumors that seriously needs to 
> step back and simply wait for the reality check. That is common sense. When 
> the first iPhone came out, who would have ever dreamed that a touch screen 
> could be blind friendly?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/10/2016 3:21 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> I’m sorry, but I don’t see this one a something I’ll change my tune about.
>> If the rumors are indeed true, each key will have no tactile boundary for a 
>> visually impaired person to be able to distinguish from, thus making the 
>> touch bar a complete accessibility nightmare, unless they re-engineer OS X 
>> or whatever they’re going to call it next, so that the bar has some type of 
>> voiceover support built in.
>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:14 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Sight (or shall I say, touch) unseen? How many times have we thought the 
>>> same of new innovative features that no one has even had hands on exposure 
>>> to? Then sang a new tune once we had that hands on experience? Many many 
>>> times.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 6/10/2016 2:57 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>> I think the touch bar is stupid, enough said.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rumor has it that the soon forth coming Mac book pros will feature a 
>>>>> touch bar instead of function keys on the keyboard.  This raises an 
>>>>> interesting question.  Assuming that Voice Over is turned off on any one 
>>>>> of the new Mac book Pros that a blind user goes up to, how is a blind 
>>>>> person supposed to turn on Voice Over if there are no physical function 
>>>>> keys but instead a touch bar?  I think maybe I can guess.  If a blind 
>>>>> person needs to turn on Voice OVer, it should be possible by pressing 
>>>>> VO+touch anyware on the bar and that should do it.  Or else, triple tap 
>>>>> the bar to turn Voice OVer on.  I can almost imagine the e-mails now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>>> built-in
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>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?

[Daniel Miller]

I’m sorry, but I don’t see this one a something I’ll change my tune about.
If the rumors are indeed true, each key will have no tactile boundary for a 
visually impaired person to be able to distinguish from, thus making the touch 
bar a complete accessibility nightmare, unless they re-engineer OS X or 
whatever they’re going to call it next, so that the bar has some type of 
voiceover support built in.
> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:14 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Sight (or shall I say, touch) unseen? How many times have we thought the 
> same of new innovative features that no one has even had hands on exposure 
> to? Then sang a new tune once we had that hands on experience? Many many 
> times.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/10/2016 2:57 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> I think the touch bar is stupid, enough said.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> Rumor has it that the soon forth coming Mac book pros will feature a touch 
>>> bar instead of function keys on the keyboard.  This raises an interesting 
>>> question.  Assuming that Voice Over is turned off on any one of the new Mac 
>>> book Pros that a blind user goes up to, how is a blind person supposed to 
>>> turn on Voice Over if there are no physical function keys but instead a 
>>> touch bar?  I think maybe I can guess.  If a blind person needs to turn on 
>>> Voice OVer, it should be possible by pressing VO+touch anyware on the bar 
>>> and that should do it.  Or else, triple tap the bar to turn Voice OVer on.  
>>> I can almost imagine the e-mails now.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?

[Daniel Miller]

If they replace the function keys with the touch sensitive bar,I  along with 
probably most of this list will lose a lot of respect for them as a company. I 
understand that they're supposed to integrate touch ID into this bar, but there 
are several other places on the machine itself or touch ID could be integrated 
without having to lose physical function keys. I have a feeling the Tim Cook 
led Apple  is valuing form over function, which for people with disabilities, 
isn't always the best idea. Lenovo attempted this no function key idea with one 
of their machines, and guess what? It absolutely bombed, even for people that 
did not have a disability.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
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> Honestly, totally agreed.
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> - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" <miller...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
> 
> 
> I think the touch bar is stupid, enough said.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> Rumor has it that the soon forth coming Mac book pros will feature a touch 
>> bar instead of function keys on the keyboard.  This raises an interesting 
>> question.  Assuming that Voice Over is turned off on any one of the new Mac 
>> book Pros that a blind user goes up to, how is a blind person supposed to 
>> turn on Voice Over if there are no physical function keys but instead a 
>> touch bar?  I think maybe I can guess.  If a blind person needs to turn on 
>> Voice OVer, it should be possible by pressing VO+touch anyware on the bar 
>> and that should do it.  Or else, triple tap the bar to turn Voice OVer on. I 
>> can almost imagine the e-mails now.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?

[Daniel Miller]

I think the touch bar is stupid, enough said. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Rumor has it that the soon forth coming Mac book pros will feature a touch 
> bar instead of function keys on the keyboard.  This raises an interesting 
> question.  Assuming that Voice Over is turned off on any one of the new Mac 
> book Pros that a blind user goes up to, how is a blind person supposed to 
> turn on Voice Over if there are no physical function keys but instead a touch 
> bar?  I think maybe I can guess.  If a blind person needs to turn on Voice 
> OVer, it should be possible by pressing VO+touch anyware on the bar and that 
> should do it.  Or else, triple tap the bar to turn Voice OVer on.  I can 
> almost imagine the e-mails now.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. I think you guys are all missing the point. This is only for subscriptions, 
not actual apps. Once you buy an app, you won't have to pay for it monthly.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I agree.  This could be a baunified disaster, as I have so many apps I've 
> purchased over the years from the app store, that having to pay for all of 
> them each month could get incredibly, and I do mean, incredibly! expensive.
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> - Original Message -
> From: Helga Schreiber
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster 
> Approvals, and Search Ads
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? I'm trying to understand htis article! so this emans 
> that we will be charge for the apps we use monthly? I'm just wndering. It is 
> talking about a subscription or soemthing like that! So if we search 
> something, adds will appear,and then if we get the apps, we will need to pay 
> a subscription in ordr to get new updates as they come out? I'm just confuse! 
> LOL! I will really appreciate it if someone can clarify tis! I live in the 
> united States! So if we pay a subscription will be also for the free apps 
> right? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
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> Students.
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> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2
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>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on keeping 
>> on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to 
>> adapt.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for the 
>>> users.  In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply not 
>>> purchase.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for Apple) 
>>>> just published this. Link:
>>>> http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store 
>>>> <http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store>
>>>> 
>>>> Thank God ads are only in the States, for now.  But it, and the whole 
>>>> concept of subscription pricing, is a disappointment to me, and not what I 
>>>> buy Apple for.  Still, it fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the other 
>>>> recent things Apple have been doing, so I probably shouldn’t be surprised. 
>>>>  It’s just a shame, is all.
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Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads

[Daniel Miller]

I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on keeping on, 
I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to adapt.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for the 
> users.  In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply not 
> purchase.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for Apple) 
>> just published this. Link:
>> http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank God ads are only in the States, for now.  But it, and the whole 
>> concept of subscription pricing, is a disappointment to me, and not what I 
>> buy Apple for.  Still, it fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the other 
>> recent things Apple have been doing, so I probably shouldn’t be surprised.  
>> It’s just a shame, is all.
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FS: 42mm Apple Watch with link bracelet, and magnetic charging dock, asking $750 or best offer

[Daniel Miller]

Hi list. I've gotten permission to post the following items for sale. I have a 
42 mm Apple Watch, stainless steel casing with link bracelet. The watch was 
bought in July of last year, and is in excellent condition. It also includes 
the Apple Watch magnetic charging dock, plus a little over one year of 
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I'm asking that any prospective buyers please be in the United States. I accept 
PayPal as form of payment.

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Re: Unable to connect to iCloud Music Library.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. There is a widespread iCloud music library issue going on right now. We'll 
just have to wait until Apple fixes it.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 1, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
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> Hello,
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> Is anyone getting this error lately in iTunes? It’s been happening to me 
> quite a bit in recent days.
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> Brandon
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Re: Apple Watch on Wifi.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Scott,

I'm on the 2.4ghz network but my watch says disconnected when I turn Bluetooth 
off. How do I go about fixing this?

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 24, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Well, you say that now but when people find out I’m one of the 1% all bets 
> are off.:)
> 
> One more point on the 2.4 verses 5G thing that’s worth mentioning since you 
> mentioned issues.  The 2.4 signal carries further and penetrates walls better 
> etc but is slower.  The 5.0 GHZ can carry well but interacts with walls and 
> things more and provides more speed do to the literal higher bandwidth.  Now 
> there’s a lot of other factors here including the type of network (N, G, AC 
> etc) and a lot of other things that probably get to technical for this list 
> but the advantage to joining both networks with different names or having 
> both assigned the same name is your device can select the best frequency for 
> the conditions.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> 
>> On May 24, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you so much for that excellent explanation. You are worth every penny 
>> they pay you for such things.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, SSID is a fancy word that keeps people like me employed.  It means 
>>> the network name, so if you’ve set your network name to something other 
>>> than the default NetGear or DLink you’ve changed your SSID.:)  On modern 
>>> routers you have a separate field for 2.4 and 5.0 ghz and many people do 
>>> something like my-home-network-24g and my-home-network-5g so they can 
>>> individually connect to each.  This is fine but won’t support the watch.  I 
>>> have all mine set to the same so whether you join 2.4 or 5.0 it’s the same 
>>> name and then the adapter figures out what’s best.
>>> 
>>> Make more sense?
>>> 
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you haven’t changed your network name and would like more 
>>> specifics.  I’m betting you have though
>>> 
 On May 24, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 OK, maybe this is a dumb question, but I've never paid any attention to 
 the SSID.  How do you set them up to use the same one?
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On May 24, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Sorry for missunderstanding you.
> Will do that later on here.
> /A
>> 24 maj 2016 kl. 14:39 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> Why not use the same SSID on 5.0 and 2.4, your phone will auto join 5.0 
>> and your watch 2.4 and things work nicely.  This is what i do at home.
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Ok, so here we have the sollution.
>>> I use 5ghz wifi for my Iphone which i prefer over 2.4 ghz.
>>> So i guess i will have to use bluetooth anyway.
>>> /A
 23 maj 2016 kl. 15:32 skrev Scott Granados :
 
 So yes and no.
 
 Yes, the watch can work over WiFi, you have to have WiFi calling 
 enabled on the phone and you have to have the same SSID on 2.4 and 5.0 
 GHZ.  The watch only works on a 2.4 ghz connection so if you’re 5.0 
 only it won’t work.
If you can connect, yes the watch will attach to WiFi and allow for 
 WiFi calling.  I don’t think the full feature set is available over 
 WiFi but calling is.
 
 Hope that helps.
 So
> On May 23, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Not sure whats going on here but from what i understand its possible 
> to use apple watch on wifi together with the Iphone?
> When i turn Bluetooth off my apple watch seem to not be connected to 
> my Iphone.
> At least it tells me so.
> So i did a ping for the Iphone but it didn’t seem to help.
> This is with the Iphone SE and a 42 mm apple watch stainless steel.
> Both devices uses the most up to date version.
> Any thoughts
> /AA
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Re: iPad Pro 9.7inch.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. If you have an iPad air two, the only real advantage to upgrading is the 
four speakers. In my opinion the smart keyboard absolutely sucks, you're better 
off waiting for a logitech case that uses the smart keyboard for the 9.7 inch 
iPad Pro. I currently use the Logitech create keyboard case for my 12.9 inch 
version, and I absolutely love it.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 23, 2016, at 10:26 AM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I currently have the iPad Air 2.
> 
> Wondering what advantages there are to upgrading?
> 
> Also, how's the smart keyboard for this device?
> 
> Thanks for any feedback.
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
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Re: Apple Watch on Wifi.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. With Bluetooth off, yes, the watch still communicate over Wi-Fi. You'll be 
able to do things like send messages, check email, you Siri. You won't be able 
to ping the iPhone however.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 23, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Not sure whats going on here but from what i understand its possible to use 
> apple watch on wifi together with the Iphone?
> When i turn Bluetooth off my apple watch seem to not be connected to my 
> Iphone.
> At least it tells me so.
> So i did a ping for the Iphone but it didn’t seem to help.
> This is with the Iphone SE and a 42 mm apple watch stainless steel.
> Both devices uses the most up to date version.
> Any thoughts
> /AA
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Re: couple of questions re Audio descriptions on NetFlix

[Daniel Miller]

Are TVs do that too. We have three AppleTV fourth-generation units, and two out 
of the three TVs randomly turn on. My guess is it does that when tvOS wants to 
download Ariel screensaver videos.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 22, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  That's interesting.  Yesterday afternoon our TV came on for no apparent 
> reason.  Now I'm wondering if we have one of those neighbors too.  I wonder 
> how it is that that happens?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 21, 2016, at 10:49 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not keen on the fact that one of my neighbours can turn my tv and apple 
>> tv on, it appears that my neighbour I’m not sure which one, also has an 
>> apple tv that turns on my tv and apple tv at all kinds of time day or night.
>>  
>> I’m trying to find out if I can stop it at all.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, 22 May 2016 7:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: couple of questions re Audio descriptions on NetFlix
>>  
>> It took me a while to get the hang of it, especially when I was entering our 
>> emails and passwords for our different accounts.  But once I did, it worked 
>> like a charm.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On May 21, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>> I still don't love the touch surface. I'm obviously somewhat  retrograde in 
>> this area. It just doesn't work consistently for me. That is why I am so 
>> grateful for Bluetooth keyboard support.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 21, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, it took a couple of minutes to get used to the new remote, but this is 
>> really slick.  Love love love the touch surface!  Definitely worth the 
>> upgrade, even if it does mean we miss out on the 5th Gen.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On May 21, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Nah, I was wondering if you could use your Mac as a BT keyboard.  Sounds 
>> like you can't, but no biggie, we have some BT keyboards around here 
>> somewhere.
>>  
>> Can someone clarify which is the menu button and which is the home button?  
>> Pressing buttons on the remote isn't producing consistent behavior.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> On May 21, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Pair with a Mac? Not sure what you mean there. But yes, you can pair the 
>> Apple TV with a Bluetooth keyboard. Ours is paired with my older style Apple 
>> Bluetooth keyboard. You can do airplay from the Mac. But I don't think 
>> that's what you meant, is it?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 21, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep. We actually checked the model number, and it was in fact a second GEN. 
>> I was quite surprised. Sorry for sending everyone on a wild goose chase. :-)
>> 
>> We are now the proud owners of a fourth GEN Apple TV! :-)
>> 
>> One question, what's the deal with the keyboard? Can a pair with the Mac or 
>> does it need to be paired with a dedicated Bluetooth keyboard?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 21, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna. Yes, it looks like your AppleTV is a second generation model. Even 
>> then, that's not how you activate audio descriptions and Netflix. It's done 
>> within the Netflix app itself. Press the center button on the remote, and 
>> hold it. Whatever you're watching will stop, and voiceover should let you 
>> navigate the screen. There's an audio tab, and in that tab there should be a 
>> choice for audio description. If you don't see it, you definitely have a 
>> second-generation Apple TV.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>> On May 21, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You know, I'm not seeing any of this.  All I see is Voiceover, Use Pitch, 
>> Speech rate, Accessibility menu--which only seems to include VO and 
>> captioning.  I would have sworn it was 3rd gen, but now I'm starting to 
>> wonder if our Apple TV is a second Gen after all.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On May 20, 2016, at 5:44 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:

Re: couple of questions re Audio descriptions on NetFlix

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Donna. Yes, it looks like your AppleTV is a second generation model. Even 
then, that's not how you activate audio descriptions and Netflix. It's done 
within the Netflix app itself. Press the center button on the remote, and hold 
it. Whatever you're watching will stop, and voiceover should let you navigate 
the screen. There's an audio tab, and in that tab there should be a choice for 
audio description. If you don't see it, you definitely have a second-generation 
Apple TV.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 21, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> You know, I'm not seeing any of this.  All I see is Voiceover, Use Pitch, 
> Speech rate, Accessibility menu--which only seems to include VO and 
> captioning.  I would have sworn it was 3rd gen, but now I'm starting to 
> wonder if our Apple TV is a second Gen after all.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 20, 2016, at 5:44 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Audio Descriptions is a setting located in
>> settings, general, accessibility. It is the second option under the media 
>> heading. There are lots of interesting options / features now in the 
>> accessibility screen of settings.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 21 May 2016, at 00:44, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I also don't see any place to adjust this on my phone.  the only thing I'm 
>>> seeing under settings pertains to cellular data usage and streaming 
>>> quality.  Where do you find the accessibility options in the phone app?  
>>> Both my Apple TV and my phone have the latest updates.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On May 19, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 Yes to both, and in both cases, it's basically the same. Go to Settings > 
 General > Accessibility, and find/enable "use audio descriptions when 
 available". From there on out, iTunes/Videos will play descriptions for 
 any content you have that includes them.
> On May 19, 2016, at 08:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've never been one of those people who has to have audio-described 
> content, but I was watching a show last night where it would have been 
> handy.  So here are my questions:
> 
> Is there any way to access audio descriptions with a 3rd-gen Apple TV?
> 
> If so, how does one do it?
> 
> If I can't do it using the Apple TV, I assume I can do it on my iPhone.  
> Can someone refresh my memory on how to do that?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: iMazing app

[Daniel Miller]

I think it is personally, since I think iTunes is nothing but a gigantic crap 
fest. I won't lie though I got it for around eight dollars, since I upgraded 
from the previous app that they offered. I would still spend full price on it 
though in my opinion.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 21, 2016, at 10:01 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Now that we have someone who uses this app, the question is, is it worth 
> the price? I have not had a chance to try it yet but will.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 5/21/2016 6:50 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> The basically allows you to never use iTunes to transfer anything to and
>> from your device again. It's pretty accessible. It wasn't before, but
>> the most recent couple of versions made big changes in excess ability
>> which made it better.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>> On May 21, 2016, at 9:24 AM, William Gallik <wfgal...@icloud.com
>> <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> So, just what in the heck is this app supposed to do for me? I haven't
>>> really seen any reason to install it on my Mac is I have no idea what
>>> purpose it supposed to serve!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.2)
>>> 
>>> On May 21, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com
>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well, VO sure doesn't like that website.  I Hope the app is more
>>>> accessible.  Sounds interesting.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On May 20, 2016, at 11:27 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well I see I did leave out a critical detail. This is an OS X app
>>>>> and we know that many of the apps for the Mac are not in the app
>>>>> store. Here is a link to it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://imazing.com/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/20/2016 8:32 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>>> ET,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I actually searched in the apP store using your subject header.
>>>>>> Found nothing.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> On May 20, 2016, at 9:07 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Look at the subject.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 5/20/2016 6:51 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>>>>>>> What app is this?  You haven’t given us any info.
>>>>>>>>> On May 19, 2016, at 1:55 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> While researching issues the other day, I came across this app
>>>>>>>>> and would be interested in hearing from anyone who uses it. Pros
>>>>>>>>> and cons, is it worth the cost, etc.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
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Re: iMazing app

[Daniel Miller]

The basically allows you to never use iTunes to transfer anything to and from 
your device again. It's pretty accessible. It wasn't before, but the most 
recent couple of versions made big changes in excess ability which made it 
better.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 21, 2016, at 9:24 AM, William Gallik  wrote:
> 
> So, just what in the heck is this app supposed to do for me? I haven't really 
> seen any reason to install it on my Mac is I have no idea what purpose it 
> supposed to serve!
> 
> 
> 
> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.2)
> 
>> On May 21, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, VO sure doesn't like that website.  I Hope the app is more accessible. 
>>  Sounds interesting.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On May 20, 2016, at 11:27 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Well I see I did leave out a critical detail. This is an OS X app and we 
>>> know that many of the apps for the Mac are not in the app store. Here is a 
>>> link to it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 5/20/2016 8:32 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 ET,
 
 I actually searched in the apP store using your subject header.  Found 
 nothing.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On May 20, 2016, at 9:07 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  Look at the subject.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 5/20/2016 6:51 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> What app is this?  You haven’t given us any info.
>>> On May 19, 2016, at 1:55 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  While researching issues the other day, I came across this app and 
>>> would be interested in hearing from anyone who uses it. Pros and cons, 
>>> is it worth the cost, etc.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
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Re: itunes and audio described movies!

[Daniel Miller]

Unfortunately, I don't think there's a way to get to it from within iTunes 
itself right now. Just bookmarked the page in your Safari, and you'll be good.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 14, 2016, at 5:27 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Just great.  Thing is, how does one get to this room from inside iTunes?  I 
> clicked on “movies, then iTunes store and that didn’t bring it up.  I also 
> tried entering “audio description” in to the search but that didn’t list the 
> page either.  I was able to bring it up however from the link provided by 
> Applevis.  thanks.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On May 14, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> I’ve got this from another list but thought you’d be interested if you 
>> hadn’t already read it somewhere.
>>  
>> Just reading the brief article it’s great to hear.
>>  
>> So enjoy 
>>   
>> It is now easier to take stock of the growing collection of audio-described 
>> movies in the iTunes collection, as Apple has created a designated room for 
>> them in iTunes:
>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-news/apple-highlights-audio-described-movies-new-itunes-room
>> 
>> TTFN
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Simon F
>> 
>>  
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Re: Labeling unlabeled buttons in iOS

[Daniel Miller]

Double tap and hold with 2 fingers 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 30, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> What is the command to activate the labeler in iOS? I know it can be done in 
> Mac OS X and I assume it can also be done in iOS. There are many unlabeled 
> buttons in a banking app that I wish to label.
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

[Daniel Miller]

This is true. The Plantronics back beat pro headphones are also pretty good in 
terms of no lag. There some, but not as big of a lag as was present on the big 
jam box I used to have. I was hoping that since the Plantronics headphones I 
have support Bluetooth 4.0, it would be nonexistent, but that wasn't the case.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> So I thought you were going to say that but I didn’t want to jump to 
> conclusions.  The lag is dependent on the device you’re connecting to.  Cheap 
> headsets tend to have more lag than better quality devices.  This is not 
> always the case of course and there are a lot of factors but it’s generally 
> true.  For example, I get very little delay using the plantronics Legend or 
> Era by Jawbone.  I get more of a delay using the older jawbone devices or a 
> huge delay with a cheap Samsung headset.  The speakers are also hit and miss 
> with the Big Jambox being pretty good, the small being a little better but 
> the original being laggy.  It’s hit or miss and has mostly to do with the way 
> the audio is reassembled on the speaker or headset itself.
> 
> That’s been my experience anyway.
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Voiceover just seems incredibly laggy. When you tap the screen, there's at 
>> least a one second delay before you hear anything, which makes navigating 
>> extremely hard in my opinion. I'm not sure if there's any workarounds, but 
>> it happens with every headset or speaker I tried. It's not nearly as 
>> responsive as touching the screen with normal headphones or the phone 
>> speaker itself.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act particularly 
>>> badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint?  What’s the 
>>> issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work around.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
>>>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth 
>>>> and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
>>>>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
>>>>> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
>>>>> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
>>>>> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried 
>>>>> playing a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and 
>>>>> it sounded like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It 
>>>>> just had a hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.
>>>>> We’ve taken a big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz 
>>>>> sampled 16bit CDs and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there 
>>>>> are some really good lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out 
>>>>> there and we’re definitely not using them.:(
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
>>>>>> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even 
>>>>>> voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square 
>>>>>> as well. Thank God for change.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
>>>>>>> Youtube channel first. :)
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

[Daniel Miller]

Voiceover just seems incredibly laggy. When you tap the screen, there's at 
least a one second delay before you hear anything, which makes navigating 
extremely hard in my opinion. I'm not sure if there's any workarounds, but it 
happens with every headset or speaker I tried. It's not nearly as responsive as 
touching the screen with normal headphones or the phone speaker itself.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act particularly 
> badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint?  What’s the 
> issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work around.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth and 
>> voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
>>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
>>> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
>>> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
>>> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried playing 
>>> a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded 
>>> like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a 
>>> hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a 
>>> big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and 
>>> I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some really good 
>>> lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out there and we’re 
>>> definitely not using them.:(
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
>>>> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, 
>>>> could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank 
>>>> God for change.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
>>>>> Youtube channel first. :)
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh I totally disagree.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>>>>>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
>>>>>> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
>>>>>> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That 
>>>>>> might be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it. 
>>>>>>  New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time 
>>>>>> on the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but 
>>>>>> i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
>>>>>>> tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in 
>>>>>>>> a japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The 
>>>>>>>> iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for 
>>>>>>>> stereoscopic vision, 

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

[Daniel Miller]

Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need Bluetooth. 
Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth and voiceover are 
incredibly horrible together.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried playing a 
> recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded like 
> plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a hollow vibe 
> to it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a big step 
> backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and I never 
> thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some really good lossless 
> high bandwidth recording technologies out there and we’re definitely not 
> using them.:(
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
>> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, 
>> could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank 
>> God for change.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
>>> Youtube channel first. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
 
 Oh I totally disagree.
 
 There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
 having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
 connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
 distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That 
 might be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  
 New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on 
 the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i 
 hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
 
 
 
 
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
> tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic 
>> vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also 
>> appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the 
>> iPhone 6s+.
>> 
>> Read more here
>> 
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
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Re: How do I enable AirDrop on my Mac?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Mike and John. No, 2009 Max do not support AirDrop. I believe AirDrop is 
supported with 2012 Max or later. Maybe even 2011.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I believe that 2009 machines don't support iPhone to Mac AirDrop, but I might 
> be mistaken. I am sure the support pages can get the specifics.
>  
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 8:15 AM Mike Busboom  wrote:
>> Hello Jonathan,
>> 
>> This Mac is a 2009 Mac, so it’s getting a little long in the tooth, as the 
>> expression goes.  This being the case, I guess I’m out of luck, no?  My Mac 
>> sees my iPhone 6, even sometimes gives a five-number pairing sequence, but 
>> there is no way to enter that pairing sequence on the iPhone since a text 
>> field does not pop up.
>> 
>> Have a great day and thanks for your input,
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> > On 28,Apr,2016, at 13:32, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> >
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > I didn't see any text in your last message. How old is your Mac? Maxson 
>> > are over in three years have some issues with some of the conductivity 
>> > between Mac and iPhone, because they don't have Bluetooth 4.2. I am not 
>> > sure if that's getting in your way.
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Jonathan Cohn
>> >
>> >> On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:58 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 27,Apr,2016, at 19:47, Dora Speck  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> If you are in the sidebar, just go to where it says AirDrop, then stop 
>> >>> interacting with the sidebar. Do you have Bluetooth turned on on your 
>> >>> iPhone? Because without that, airdrop does not work.
>> >>> Once you have stopped interacting with the sidebar, just leave your 
>> >>> cursor there.
>> >>> If Bluetooth is turned on, go to whatever you were wanting to send to 
>> >>> your Mac and try it again. It should show up with your name and double 
>> >>> tap that to send.
>> >>> I hope this made sense.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dora Speck
>> >>>
>> >>> [Sent from my iPhone]
>> >>>
>>  On Apr 27, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  Hi,
>> 
>>  The subject line pretty much says it all.  I would like to enable 
>>  AirDrop on my Mac so that I can quickly share files between my iPhone 
>>  and my Mac.  On the Mac side of things, I turned on BlueTooth.  I also 
>>  went into the preferences and checked anything I could find that made 
>>  reference to AirDrop.
>> 
>>  Then, when I attempted to share a file on my iPhone using AirDrop, the 
>>  iPhone said that there were no devices in range with AirDrop.Since 
>>  I was told that AirDrop was enabled through Finder, I went through the 
>>  Finder menus again, but I didn’t encounter any AirDrop commands.  
>>  Finally, I went to the Finder toolbar and didn’t find anything that 
>>  turned on AirDrop there, either.  I think I may be missing the obvious 
>>  somewhere, but I don’t know what the obvious is!
>> 
>>  Can someone shed some light on what I may be doing wrong?
>> 
>>  Thanks in advance,
>> 
>>  Mike
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Re: Downgrading a MacBook Air to Yosemite.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe if the computer came with El 
Capitan, you can't downgrade it to Yosemite.
If you can, the easiest way to do it is to create an install drive using a 
program called disc maker X, and wipe the drive clean and reinstall with the 
bootable drive you made.


Sent from my iPad Pro

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 8:16 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I would like to downgrade my newly purchased MacBook Air to  Yosemite as I 
> don't much care for El Capitan. 
> 
> Wondering what's the easiest way of  achieving this? 
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
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Re: accessible twitter apps for Mac?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Christina. Unfortunately, only night owl and Twitter for mac are the only 
only accessible clients. I don't think Twitter for mac has been updated to 
support the image description feature, and I know night I will definitely 
hasn't, since that only gets updated once a year now.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 25, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> What accessible twitter app do you use for Mac? Also do any Mac apps support 
> adding and reading alt text to images?
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Re: Copy last spoken word to clipboard

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. You need to press command plus V to paste, not control plus of v. .

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> On Apr 21, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> When i use the command control - options - shift + c to copy the last spoken 
> workd to clipboard, i can’t past the words into notes with control  + v. How 
> is this suppose to work? How to get the spoken words, for example read them 
> and copy theese words.
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Re: phones in your pants pocket

[Daniel Miller]

Oh, OK. I must've missed that then, you're right. Perhaps a list name change 
could be looked at in the future then?

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:05 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
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> Nope, you’re correct, we got the word a while ago that iPhones, pods, 
> watches, apple TV, pads, all that is fair game.
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Ok, last time I checked, we were allowed to post about both of them here, 
>> unless someone knows something I don’t.
>>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. I don't mean to put a damper on this thread, I'm just not sure if 
>>> people realize this is being posted to mac visionaries, and not the iPhone 
>>> list.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
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>>>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> Oh wow, what happened to it?  I found this crazy video on youtube, can’t 
>>>> remember what I was actually looking for, where some dummy decided to see 
>>>> if he could do a quick charge to his Iphone by putting into the microwave 
>>>> for a couple seconds, and it did the exact opposite.  He took it out a 
>>>> couple seconds later and it was smoking.
>>>>> On Apr 19, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Jean <radiofore...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Just don’t let them go through the laundry like I did with my old Nokia E 
>>>>> 72.
>>>>> Jean
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Re: phones in your pants pocket

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Hi. I don't mean to put a damper on this thread, I'm just not sure if people 
realize this is being posted to mac visionaries, and not the iPhone list.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 20, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Oh wow, what happened to it?  I found this crazy video on youtube, can’t 
> remember what I was actually looking for, where some dummy decided to see if 
> he could do a quick charge to his Iphone by putting into the microwave for a 
> couple seconds, and it did the exact opposite.  He took it out a couple 
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>> Just don’t let them go through the laundry like I did with my old Nokia E 72.
>> Jean
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Re: Apple Pencil with VoiceOver

[Daniel Miller]

The only thing the Apple pencil does in regards to voiceover is allow you to 
use the hand writing feature. Other than that, it's incredibly useless.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 16, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
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> The Apple pencil is a stylus Apple sells that works with the iPad Pro models.
> 
> hth.
>> On Apr 16, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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>> What’s an apple pencil?  This is my first time ever hearing about this.
>>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 10:56 PM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
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>>> Why are you cross posting?
>>> 
 On 4/16/2016 3:04 AM, shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Anyone manage to get the Apple Pencil working with VoiceOver?
 
 Thanks
 Regards
 Joanne
 
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Re: iOS9.3: 4-finger swipe *is* a VO command

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. My theory is, since Apple made a 3-D touch gesture to be able to switch to 
your most recently used app, and they could not get that to work with voiceover 
active, They implemented the four finger swipe.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Mar 27, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Carter Temm  wrote:
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> Hi,
> Just an idea, but with voiceover off could it be a one finger swipe right, or 
> two, or maybe even three? Doubt that it will work, but worth a try
> Apple did this for the notification Center as well as control center
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 27, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I said last week that the four-finger swipe to switch apps, new in iOS9.3, 
>> is an iOS command and thus would not show up in the VO gesture practice 
>> system. I was wrong. It seems to be a command specific to VO, as sighted 
>> family members are unable to use it and I can't use it if I turn VO off. 
>> Sorry for the bad information.
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Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. You don't really want to take it off, unless you absolutely have to. The 
more you take it on and off, the looser the rubber portion of the case becomes, 
which in my opinion is the worst part about that case. For the amount of money 
those cases cost, they should be better designed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 
you're talking about the defender series, right? If not, I stand corrected.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:09 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, still haven't figured out how to get it off. lol  Guess this answers my 
> question, I won't take it off unless I decide I don't want to use it any more.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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>> Those cases are a royal, B***! to get off!  It can be done, but not easily. 
>> the trick is to find the little square nub on either the left side, or the 
>> right side.  It'll be about halfway down the length of the case.  You 
>> basically just have to get your fingernail up there in between both the 
>> front and back of that hard case, and pull it apart.  Be ready to probably 
>> cut your finger a teeny bit though when doing it, as it's a little bit 
>> sharp.  These things aren't meant to come off easily.
>> 
>> You might be able to pry a butterknife or something in there and pop it, but 
>> I'd not chance it.  That could be a little bit risky.  I'm telling you right 
>> now, it's not gonna be an easy chore!  It was fairly easy to do with the 
>> IPhone 5, and 5S cases, and I think, even the 5C cases, but once they went 
>> to the 6 cases which were thinner, it made it really really difficult. Don't 
>> be afraid that you're gonna break it, as it's not giving way.  It'll come, I 
>> promise ya, but you're really gonna have to pull, and, buddy? I, mean, pull! 
>>  Hard!
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>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> I don't know which one it is, I didn't pay that close of attention. I can 
>> tell you that I'm able to get it loose by pulling back the top right corner, 
>> but the case does not seem to want to let go of the phone!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You should be able to just use a fingernail on the top corner edge, and 
>>> peal it off.
>>> 
>>> I personally don't mind the extra bulk, and actually find it makes my phone 
>>> feel a bit more solid.  I swear by mine.
>>> 
>>> Also, you say you got an Otterbox.  Which one though, as that will 
>>> determine how you get it off.  Are you using the Defender?
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 PM
>>> Subject: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad 
>>> for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering if 
>>> any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed?  If yes, 
>>> what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back, not the 
>>> tempered glass screen protector.)
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: iPad settings navigation

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

That's been missing for a few versions now. I wish they'd bring that back, 
though. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Weird.  When I had an iPad, I was sure what you described (jumping to the 
> right side of Settings and landing on the first item when the left item was 
> chosen) was the default behaviour.  Maybe it’s just iOS bugs or something.
> 
> Anyway, try containers.  See if navigating by containers does what you need.  
> Might be you need to enable it in the rotor.
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Re: cannot sign in to iTunes anymore

[Daniel Miller]

What error are you getting?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Is anybody having trouble signing in using iTunes?  I went to turn on Home 
> sharing this morning and it would not turn on no matter what I did.  So, I 
> signed out of iTunes on my Mac thinking that might help.  Now, I cannot sign 
> back in.  I can see that I'm signed in on the app store, and I can sign in 
> using Safari but I cannot do it using iTunes.  I have the latest of 
> everything and it's not working.  Any thoughts?
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: Creating a new line in an iMessage

[Daniel Miller]

If you're using a Bluetooth keyboard, try either command plus enter our option 
plus enter. If not, double tapping the return key on the virtual keyboard works.

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> On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Ever since the most recent major iOS upgrade, it has not been possible to 
> create new or blank lines in iMessages.
> 
> Whenever I hit the Enter key, my iMessage is automatically sent.  Does anyone 
> know of a way to create a blank line within a text since using the Enter key 
> simply sends out the message?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Mike
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Re: battery in Apple TV remote?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Donna. Is it the Apple TV third generation? If so, you can change the 
battery yourself, you just need a CR 2032 watch battery. Those are relatively 
cheap.

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> On Feb 21, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm noticing that the remote for our Apple TV doesn't seem to have it's usual 
> range, so am thinking that the battery must need changing.  Has anyone ever 
> done this?  Can the user change it or does it have to go to an apple store?  
> I'm also assuming from the shape of the remote that it isn't a standard 
> battery?  If I'm right, where does one obtain the correct battery?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: VMware fires US dev team behind Workstation and Fusion

[Daniel Miller]

If VMware is not cutting it all of a sudden, I just so happen to have a Windows 
machine for sale. I'll take $300.

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> On Jan 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, Fusion isn't going away. Its development is being out-sourced. 
> So we'll have new versions of Fusion in future. The question is, how 
> accessible will they be.
> I've been tweeting a lot about this, and last night, I received an email from 
> one of the now former Fusion developers, thanking me for acknowledging their 
> commitment to accessibility. This particular developer was responsible for 
> ensuring accessibility, and took great pride in testing and trying hard to 
> maintain a high level of accessibility in new versions.
> whether that will now be a thing of the past remains to be seen.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 29/01/2016, at 4:11 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately flash is not acccessible on the mac. This site needs to 
>> upgrade to html 5.
>> Original message:
>>> I still have a virtual machine running Windows 7 on my MacBook air, but I 
>>> only use it for those rare occasions when I need access to a flash 
>>> player-based website. It's really bad when you can't play flash content on 
>>> a mac system. I've run google chrome and Safari, but they can't even see 
>>> the flash player on a certain website that I really need. So, I resurrected 
>>> my Windows 7 installation and it works like a charm with Internet explore.
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
 On Jan 27, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
 I guess this means there will be no more upgrades to fusion, I no longer 
 use it as I have no more need for Windows on my home computers, and, 
 honestly, I think since Windows 8, it has really gone down hill. But it 
 was a great product when I used it, and very accessible. There are 
 alternatives, though not very accessible. There's another paid product 
 called parallels but it's not voiceover accessible. Virtual box is free, 
 but also not accessible. Then there's boot camp, but that requires sighted 
 help to get Windows installed. At least more software is now being 
 developed for the mac, so Windows should be needed less on these computers.
> On Jan 27, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
> We'll have to pester virtualbox to become more accessible, as I just 
> can't wrap my head around the inner workings of the program to work with 
> its CLI interface.
>> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 27, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/27/vmware_fusion_and_workstation_development_team_fired/
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> I guess I won’t see my feature request for serial ports as sockets 
>> implemented in Fusion, then. :(
>> 
>> This is really sad news.  But of course, I understand it, on a 
>> practical, realistic level: desktop virtualisation is now something of a 
>> fringe market, there are free products available and those that compete 
>> economically and favourably for consumers, and even on the server 
>> virtualisation is readily available and incorporated as parts of 
>> technology stacks.  And if VMWare’s products are profitable, it’s only 
>> because they’re already asking too much.  So who’s going to be too 
>> bothered, apart from the awesome people behind the technologies, and a 
>> bunch of geeks?  Oh yeah, and blind Mac users unable to use any of the 
>> alternatives?
>> 
>> We shall have to see what happens.
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Re: Warning! Before installing Apple Watch Beta...

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. That's actually not a public beta release, that's seated to developers only.

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> On Jan 15, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> No guts, no glory.:)
> 
> I’m kidding, I read this, I wouldn’t want to ship my phone off either, that’s 
> a pretty rough process to revert.  Watch is still a new product though, this 
> stuff will refine itself over time.  For now I guess we hold out for 2.2.  
> From what the public beta says doesn’t seem like a huge deal unless you want 
> to pair more than one watch to a phone.
>  
>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I am the type person who doesn’t just dive straight into things without 
>> really doing my homework.  Especially not when it comes to screwing around 
>> with firmware/software updates, be it beta or not.
>> 
>> Even with public betas, I’m very very careful.
>> 
>> This morning, I was about to install the public beta of Watch OS2 on to my 
>> watch which I got last month.  Before doing so however, I decided to go 
>> online and read up more on how the downgrade process of the public beta 
>> works.  I figured, I really want to be sure before taking on this task, that 
>> I fully know what I’m getting myself into, and that if I don’t like things, 
>> that I fully understand the process to revert back, and downgrade to the 
>> official Watch OS2.1.
>> 
>> Granted, this article is slightly old, I will give that to ya, I still think 
>> it’s worth all of you watch users reading!  All that I will say is, boy am I 
>> glad I did my research before trying to do this.  I’ve not installed the 
>> beta to my watch, thank God, and frankly, after reading this, I’m not going 
>> to either!
>> 
>> http://bit.ly/1WeaVSx
>> 
>> I shortened the above URL as it was ridiculously long before I did so.
>> 
>> God bless.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
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Re: Warning! Before installing Apple Watch Beta...

[Daniel Miller]

Because the watches pair to your phone, and the watch can except profiles like 
the iPhone can. Installing a profile that's meant for the phone could cause 
catastrophic issues if installed on the watch.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Are you by chance set up as a developer?
> 
> That might be the difference.  Just thinking out loud.
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Then, why is it, when I went to enroll one of my phones into the public beta 
>> this morning, after going to:
>>  
>> http://beta.apple.com/profile
>>  
>> and installing the profile, it asked me if I wanted to install to my phone, 
>> or to my watch?  Undoubtedly, there must be a public beta for the watch of 
>> some sort, or it wouldn't have given me that option.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Daniel Miller
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:01 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Warning! Before installing Apple Watch Beta...
>>> 
>>> Hi. That's actually not a public beta release, that's seated to developers 
>>> only.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No guts, no glory.:)
>>>> 
>>>> I’m kidding, I read this, I wouldn’t want to ship my phone off either, 
>>>> that’s a pretty rough process to revert.  Watch is still a new product 
>>>> though, this stuff will refine itself over time.  For now I guess we hold 
>>>> out for 2.2.  From what the public beta says doesn’t seem like a huge deal 
>>>> unless you want to pair more than one watch to a phone.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am the type person who doesn’t just dive straight into things without 
>>>>> really doing my homework.  Especially not when it comes to screwing 
>>>>> around with firmware/software updates, be it beta or not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Even with public betas, I’m very very careful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This morning, I was about to install the public beta of Watch OS2 on to 
>>>>> my watch which I got last month.  Before doing so however, I decided to 
>>>>> go online and read up more on how the downgrade process of the public 
>>>>> beta works.  I figured, I really want to be sure before taking on this 
>>>>> task, that I fully know what I’m getting myself into, and that if I don’t 
>>>>> like things, that I fully understand the process to revert back, and 
>>>>> downgrade to the official Watch OS2.1.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Granted, this article is slightly old, I will give that to ya, I still 
>>>>> think it’s worth all of you watch users reading!  All that I will say is, 
>>>>> boy am I glad I did my research before trying to do this.  I’ve not 
>>>>> installed the beta to my watch, thank God, and frankly, after reading 
>>>>> this, I’m not going to either!
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://bit.ly/1WeaVSx
>>>>> 
>>>>> I shortened the above URL as it was ridiculously long before I did so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> God bless.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>> 
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Re: Warning! Before installing Apple Watch Beta...

[Daniel Miller]

Not only do you have to be a developer to get watchOS betas, you have to 
register your UD ID of the watch with the developer center, which can only be 
found if you connect the paired phone to Xcode. No UDID registered? Bricked  
watch.

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> On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yikes!  I'm now even more! glad I didn't do it!
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel Miller
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Warning! Before installing Apple Watch Beta...
> 
> Because the watches pair to your phone, and the watch can except profiles 
> like the iPhone can. Installing a profile that's meant for the phone could 
> cause catastrophic issues if installed on the watch.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you by chance set up as a developer?
>> 
>> That might be the difference.  Just thinking out loud.
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Then, why is it, when I went to enroll one of my phones into the public 
>>> beta this morning, after going to:
>>>  
>>> http://beta.apple.com/profile
>>>  
>>> and installing the profile, it asked me if I wanted to install to my phone, 
>>> or to my watch?  Undoubtedly, there must be a public beta for the watch of 
>>> some sort, or it wouldn't have given me that option.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: Daniel Miller
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:01 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Warning! Before installing Apple Watch Beta...
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. That's actually not a public beta release, that's seated to developers 
>>>> only.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> No guts, no glory.:)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m kidding, I read this, I wouldn’t want to ship my phone off either, 
>>>>> that’s a pretty rough process to revert.  Watch is still a new product 
>>>>> though, this stuff will refine itself over time.  For now I guess we hold 
>>>>> out for 2.2.  From what the public beta says doesn’t seem like a huge 
>>>>> deal unless you want to pair more than one watch to a phone.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am the type person who doesn’t just dive straight into things without 
>>>>>> really doing my homework.  Especially not when it comes to screwing 
>>>>>> around with firmware/software updates, be it beta or not.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Even with public betas, I’m very very careful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This morning, I was about to install the public beta of Watch OS2 on to 
>>>>>> my watch which I got last month.  Before doing so however, I decided to 
>>>>>> go online and read up more on how the downgrade process of the public 
>>>>>> beta works.  I figured, I really want to be sure before taking on this 
>>>>>> task, that I fully know what I’m getting myself into, and that if I 
>>>>>> don’t like things, that I fully understand the process to revert back, 
>>>>>> and downgrade to the official Watch OS2.1.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Granted, this article is slightly old, I will give that to ya, I still 
>>>>>> think it’s worth all of you watch users reading!  All that I will say 
>>>>>> is, boy am I glad I did my research before trying to do this.  I’ve not 
>>>>>> installed the beta to my watch, thank God, and frankly, after reading 
>>>>>> this, I’m not going to either!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://bit.ly/1WeaVSx
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I shortened the above URL as it was ridiculously long before I did so.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> God bless.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>> 
>>>>

Re: Low power mode?

[Daniel Miller]

Settings>battery. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I've accidentally turned on low power mode on my IPhone.  How do I disable it?
>  
> Chris.
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Re: I gave up on my Apple watch.

[Daniel Miller]

That’s what I’d like to know as well. I absolutely love mine, and don’t notice 
any accessibility concerns at all.
Now do I wish the hardware could’ve been a little faster? Yes, but for a 
first-generation product that’s had 2 major updates since it’s launch, it’s 
quite remarkable.

> On Dec 10, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Wow, I thought you liked the watch.  What did you find frustrating about it?
> 
> I was going to get one but it sounds like a new one will be released early in 
> 2016.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
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>> I gave up on my Apple watch today as I was not happy with it.
>> 
>> I don’t think the latest update did it any favours!  So I gave it up and 
>> sold it.  Now I wait for the next generation and I hope it will be more 
>> functional than what it was as I’d like a little more independence from the 
>> phone!
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Re: Odd itunes message.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

I’m getting that message as ll upon launching iTunes sometimes. I just click OK 
and all works as it should. Keep in mind I’m not syncing my phone or anything, 
since I use iCloud for everything.
They might be having some sort of backend glitch or something.

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I get the following message when i try to sync my iphone 6s with Itunes on 
> the latest el Capitan.
> iTunes cannot connect to Store Purchases. 
> 
> If you have any firewall software, make sure it has been set to allow 
> communication on port 443. This message will be dismissed in 29 seconds.
> Any ideas.
> I have not changed anything to my firewall on my router.
> I don’t have the firewall enabled on the mac so i can not say for sure whats 
> going on.
> It just came yesterday.
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Re: Setting up apple TV 3rd generation without sight

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Scott. No, that's incorrect. You need to press the play pause button at the 
bottom right of the remote three times quickly for a voiceover to come up 
speaking.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Apple TV should start talking on it’s own about 5 minutes or so after it 
> boots.  Voice Over auto starts as I recall.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’ve searched the macvisionaries archive for this, but is there a definite 
>> way of setting up apple tv 3rd generation without sight?  This was 
>> originally a bit tricky but has it now changed?  Will apple tv speak out of 
>> the box?  Or do I have to enable VoiceOver?  And if I do have to enable it, 
>> can I do it via the remote or any other method without asking somebody 
>> sighted to sit alongside me?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Question about third generation Apple TV

[Daniel Miller]

Hi marry,

Yes, you need a video signal in order to play Netflix on the 3rd generation 
Apple TV. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Generation Apple TV. Once upon a time, I looked up the differences between it 
> and the third generation. It seemed they all had to do with video, so I 
> wasn't interested. However, it seems that there may be some things available 
> on the third that are not available on the second. And I have one really 
> important question which, if this has changed, would make me buy a third GEN, 
> since I really don't want to forth Gen. With my second generation, you have 
> to have a video signal present for things like Netflix. You can't just play 
> it through the stereo. There must be a TV present. Is that true for the 
> third-generation as well?
> Mary
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Re: Anyone know if there's a way to edit text messages on the Apple watch?

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Hi,

Unfortunately, it’s not possible.

> On Nov 22, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> if this is possible?
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Re: Any fix for a Mini with no screen yet?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Alex,

Unfortunately, the only fix is to get a newer model mac mini, as those don’t 
exhibit the same issues as the older ones did, I believe.

> On Nov 8, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I’m on my 2011 Mini, now with a shiny new SSD in it. It would be blazing 
> fast… Except for that bug where things are randomly busy unless you connect a 
> monitor. I know I could connect a monitor, and I think there’s a box I could 
> buy that would trick the Mini into thinking there’s a monitor. Is there a 
> better way, though, a way to truly run this with no screen and no more money 
> sunk into it? I’m on the latest 10.11, but this has been happening since 10.7 
> when I first got this machine. Thanks in advance.
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Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

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Hi Mark,

I’m sorry to inform you, you’re 100% incorrect about this bug. If I have my 
messages or any type of alert set to show on the lock screen, my screen always 
wakes up, and goes to sleep at the appropriate time.

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> SUMMARY:
> One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
> multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is enabled,
> receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
> display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered this
> same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as opposed
> to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text message
> alerts, only.
> 
> This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
> upon the level of the screen brightness.
> 
> SCENARIO:
> 1.
> Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order to
> quickly unlock the device.
> 
> 2.
> Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain you can
> see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock screen.
> 
> 3.
> Now lock the screen.
> 
> 4.
> Receive a text message from someone.  
> 
> 5.
> If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
> giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.
> 
> CONCLUSION:
> Even when an alert is received, the display is supposed to remain off until
> activated by the user.  However, on a very intermittent basis, the alert
> will wake up the screen and it will not go back to sleep until the alert is
> dismissed.  I estimate that this happens once out of every 20 or so alerts.
> However, when it happens, the battery will just sit there and drain as the
> screen remains active until the alert is dismissed.  This also has the
> collateral affect of heating up the phone.  I have not attempted to
> reproduce this issue on any device not running VoiceOver.
> 
> My solution to this is to switch the alert notifications to banners for my
> most frequently used apps.
> 
> Mark
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Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[Daniel Miller]

Weird, that didn’t happen on my 6 Plus or 6S Plus. Strange.

> On Nov 7, 2015, at 10:19 PM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I actually agree with Mark. I have had this happen on my iPhone 5C running 
> iOS 9.1.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> On Nov 7, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> I’m sorry to inform you, you’re 100% incorrect about this bug. If I have my 
>> messages or any type of alert set to show on the lock screen, my screen 
>> always wakes up, and goes to sleep at the appropriate time.
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 8:25 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I am cross-posting this to both the v iPhone and the Mac Visionaries mailing
>>> list.
>>> 
>>> SUMMARY:
>>> One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
>>> multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is enabled,
>>> receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
>>> display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered this
>>> same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as opposed
>>> to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text message
>>> alerts, only.
>>> 
>>> This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
>>> upon the level of the screen brightness.
>>> 
>>> SCENARIO:
>>> 1.
>>> Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order to
>>> quickly unlock the device.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain you can
>>> see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock screen.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Now lock the screen.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Receive a text message from someone.  
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
>>> giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.
>>> 
>>> CONCLUSION:
>>> Even when an alert is received, the display is supposed to remain off until
>>> activated by the user.  However, on a very intermittent basis, the alert
>>> will wake up the screen and it will not go back to sleep until the alert is
>>> dismissed.  I estimate that this happens once out of every 20 or so alerts.
>>> However, when it happens, the battery will just sit there and drain as the
>>> screen remains active until the alert is dismissed.  This also has the
>>> collateral affect of heating up the phone.  I have not attempted to
>>> reproduce this issue on any device not running VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> My solution to this is to switch the alert notifications to banners for my
>>> most frequently used apps.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: T-Mobile launches true 4G LTE Micro Cell spot

[Daniel Miller]

You know, I was thinking that same thing. It was a stupid move for them to 
launch such a device IMO if people have wifi, not to mention that device 
probably needs a wifi network to function anyway.
AT has a similar product, but there’s is stuck in the early 2000s, with only 
3G support and not LTE. I’m so glad I switched to Verizon, even without wifi 
calling they’re a much better network IMO.

> On Nov 6, 2015, at 6:25 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
> I just switched to TMobile last weekend. I don't understand why this makes 
> such a difference if you have Wifi. Doesn't the TMobile Wifi calling kind 
> ofput an end for such a need for cell service? I understand that it would be 
> only for those who have good Internet service. But what am I missing?
> 
> On Nov 2, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Dan  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> We got this cel booster about 2 months ago and We love it. We have 3 phones 
> on our account and we get usually around -69 DB or around 4 Bars, if you 
> will. Between the devices, the coverage is fantastic. 
> So you have 2 units. 1 unit goes near a window where the best available 
> signal is found and the other unit is placed somewhere in your home to get 
> complete coverage.
> The only thing is that you need a sighted person to read the displays to 
> determine where the best placement is.
> But once you have them in place, that's the end of it and you don't ever need 
> to be concerned any more about how the units are working.
> The units are identical in looks so you have to make sure that the units are 
> placed accordingly.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> T-Mobile finally offers a micro cell tower that you can attach to your home 
>> network.  Unlike other carriers this supports the full 4G LTE feature set 
>> and is free to customers.  Read more here.
>> 
>> http://9to5mac.com/2015/11/02/t-mobile-4g-lte-cellspot/rf
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Re: USB devices used to work but now don't

[Daniel Miller]

No, it checks and repairs them in necessary after updates.

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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> You can't repair permisions in el capitan can you? I thought they took that 
> out.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 6:01 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> Assuming that you have repaired Disk Permission and that it is not a 
>> hardware fault with your port I am afraid a reinstall may be
>> indicated. If this problem persists after a re-install it probably is 
>> hardware.
>> 
>> A few years ago my headphone socket simply stopped working. It was not even 
>> seen as a device in system Prefernces  or any of the audio settings.
>> However as soon as I went into recovery console I got it back so after a 
>> reinstall it was all fine from that time - touch wood.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>>> On 04/11/2015 23:00, Devin Prater wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I have a Mac Mini, late 2012 model, with 4 gigs of ram.
>>> I recently got a Ps4 controller to use with games on the Mac. It worked 
>>> fine through USB for a while, but yesterday, with no change to the system, 
>>> it, and my wired PS3 controller, have both stuffed being detected by the 
>>> Mac or its programs. I've reset the ps4 controller, the ps3 controller 
>>> cannot be reset because its a gamestop Rock Candy model, and I've restarted 
>>> the Mac. Next I tried seeing what the Console application said, 
>>> "unauthenticated device connected."  I tried connecting the Micro USB chord 
>>> to another device, which worked fine. I tried connecting my USB keyboard to 
>>> the same ports the controllers were connected to, but no luck there either. 
>>> I then reset the SMC and PRam, which didn't help either. I even deleted the 
>>> bluetooth preference list file, thinking that may help the ps4 controller 
>>> at least, which it didn't. It, by the way, won't work on the Mac through 
>>> USB or bluetooth, bluetooth being "connected" for a second, then 
>>> disconnected right afterwards.
>>> 
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Re: apple music on apple TV

[Daniel Miller]

No, unfortunately there’s not, at least for now. Maybe it’s coming son.

> On Nov 3, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
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> Hello,
> 
> Is there a way to switch back and forth between  family members in the apple 
> music area of the apple TV? I am the one currently logged in but what if my 
> kids who are using Family share want to switch to their apple music so that 
> they can listen to their own music library with their own playlists and such. 
> We all have different tastes. :)
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Re: NBA app

[Daniel Miller]

I’m having trouble with the audio feeds too, but the video feeds for normal 
league pass work. I can’t seem to find any way to contact them about this. I 
purchased League pass audio.
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Is it just me or is anyone else finding the NBA app to not be accessible this 
> year? I am able to access most of the icons but can't seem to figure out how 
> to get the audio feeds to select or play. If I'm missing something and anyone 
> has any suggestions I'd appreciate the help.
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> Thanks,
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Re: Wifi calling

[Daniel Miller]

i-fi calling is carrier dependent. Check with your carrier to see if they 
support it.

> On Oct 26, 2015, at 5:09 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
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> Hi!
> Is this something all can use regardless of mobiele operators?
> Or is this something new only in the US.
> /A
>> On 24 Oct 2015, at 05:02, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Daniel. I did find the Apple support earticle to which you referred. 
>> That had not come up when I simply googled Wi-Fi calling. But I am still not 
>> sure whether or not I'm going to have a problem if I have Wi-Fi calling 
>> turned on and I'm out around town in a place where I do have a cell 
>> connection but no Wi-Fi. Is the phone going to be smart enough to simply use 
>> my cell connection? Or do I have to turn Wi-Fi calling off? I guess I can 
>> just go down the Street away from my house and find out the hard way.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> 
>>> If you have t-mobile or sprint, you can use what’s called enhanced wi-fi 
>>> calling, which allows other iPads, iPods or Macs to make and receive wifi 
>>> calls, the same way your phone does. However, the really awesome advantage 
>>> to this is you can leave your phone at home, or somewhere else entirely, or 
>>> even turned completely off, and your other devices you have set up will 
>>> ring as if you had normal continuity set up. Do a google search for making 
>>> a call with wi-fi calling, and a result from apple support should pop up. 
>>> That page will give you all the information you need.
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:34 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My new iPhone has the capability of doing Wi-Fi calling. It was not on by 
>>>> default. When I turned it on, it seemed to allow me to also have my iPad 
>>>> mini two, which is not a cell model, do this Wi-Fi calling. So I googled 
>>>> around and wasn't really able to find out very much information. I 
>>>> understand the purpose of Wi-Fi calling is to let you make phone calls 
>>>> when your cell network is weak. However, if you have it enabled, and are 
>>>> in an area with a strong cell signal, will you use your cellular network? 
>>>> Or will you use your Wi-Fi network? This is, of course, assuming the Wi-Fi 
>>>> network is also strong. And how would a Wi-Fi enabled iPad with no 
>>>> cellular capability do wi-Fi calling? Or, if you do have Wi-Fi calling 
>>>> enabled, and are out in the city and have no Wi-Fi available, will you 
>>>> still be able to use your cell network without turning this feature off? I 
>>>> am just not clear about whether it is a good idea to have it turned on all 
>>>> the time, or just turn it on when you need it.
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
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