Re: Question for Mary Otten, or anyone else who knows the answer, re VO detecting languages

2024-09-17 Thread Mary Otten
,
Well, I don’t have a Mac so I have no comments about that at all. As far as the 
phone or the iPad, how it worked in the past before iOS 18:

Add all the languages you want to your language rotor, having downloaded the 
appropriate voices of course. I have two US English voices, Alex which is my 
default setting. That is to say, if I flip through the language rotor, where I 
have several voices in different languages, Alex says “default“. If that voice 
has focus as I’m looking on a webpage for instance, and I run across Russian, 
voice automatically switches to my Russian voice no problem. 

If I am sent to another English voice, not my default Alex, but another one 
that’s in the rotor, when I run across Russian, nothing changes. So at least in 
my experience, you have to have the default as your language that you’re 
reading in in order to get a voice switch. I hope that helps. It’s also worth 
remembering that Russian is in a different alphabet. Whether that matters I 
don’t know.
Mary

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> On Sep 17, 2024, at 2:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> Based on her last message, Mary has gotten this to work.  I never have.  I’ve 
> had detect languages turned on forever on my Mac, and my phone, but VO has 
> never once automatically changed the voice.  How have you gotten this to work?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Disregard, Re: Question re need voice option in rotor

2024-09-17 Thread Mary Otten
Still have not updated my old iPhone to iOS 18. I’m strongly thinking about 
doing it with my iPad mini first. And I have more than one language in my iOS 
17 language rotor, including two English voices, one of which if I have it set, 
the default one, if I run into Russian on a page, the voice automatically 
switches which is great. I do not want to lose that functionality. I know it’s 
changed and now everything‘s in the voice roter which I still don’t understand. 
Anyway, could you tell what you did to solve your problem in case others like 
me, might benefit? Thanks.
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> On Sep 17, 2024, at 11:49 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I solved this.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2024, at 1:30 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have three voices on my iPhone, one for English one for Spanish, and one 
>> for Italian.  But only the English and Italian voices show up in the rotor.  
>> Anyone have any thoughts about why this would happen or how to fix?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: To Upgrade Or Not To Upgrade

2024-05-27 Thread Mary Otten
Wow! I haven’t seen a deal from my carrier except if you add a new line. We don’t need another line. So any deals are useless for us. I don’t know how old the SE3 is. But I’d be tempted to go for the 15 just because it’s way newer and therefore probably substantially faster. But how do you feel about losing your touch ID? You won’t be able to hang onto that forever, if rumors are to be believed. Because the next SE model assuming it actually comes out next year, is rumored to no longer have touch ID.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 27, 2024, at 2:59 PM, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:Hello all, Please forgive my bringing this topic up again. I’ve been very happy with my iPhone SE 3up to now, so I didn’t pay much attention to earlier discussions about upgrading. However, my carrier has just tempted me with an e-mail upgrade offer that I’m seriously considering that includes a significant promo discount for the 15, plus being able to trade in my SE which is in excellent condition, especially since there’s absolutely no screen damage on it. I’d love to hear some thoughts about whether or not it might be a good idea to go through with the upgrade. I’m mostly thinking about how it would improve using navigation apps and the like. Many thanks for any thoughts/help,Pete De Vasto



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Re: Apple Watch rapid battery drain during sleep

2024-04-25 Thread Mary Otten
I just saw that language switch thing yesterday. I had never seen it before. In 
my case, I have Samantha set, but then it sometimes just switches to Russian, 
which I also have. But I don’t want it except if I’m trying to read Russian, 
which I don’t usually do on the watch.

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> On Apr 25, 2024, at 9:34 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Oh, wow!  That must be really annoying.  It’s bad enough with both voices 
> speaking English. I will write to accessibility right now.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 11:30 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes I have that Samantha thing happening too and I am using Swedish Alva.
>> It takes time to switch her back to Swedish and stop her from speaking 
>> Swedish with the Samantha Voice.
>> So write to the accessibility team and I will give them feedback as I am a 
>> beta tester.
>> Bless.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 25 apr. 2024 kl. 15:05 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Oh, and one more weird thing.  This one happens during the day, when not in 
>>> sleep mode.  My watch keeps switching back to Samantha.  Currently, I am 
>>> unable to get it back to Siri voice 4, my usual voice.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Apr 25, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi Gabe,
 
 Thanks for the suggestion.  I’ve tried that, with no change.  In fact, the 
 problem is getting worse.  Last night when I went to bed at ten, it was at 
 100%.  When I woke up at 3:30 this morning, it was down to 56%.  But it’s 
 definitely related to sleep mode.  When I get up, I force power off the 
 watch, and when it comes back up with sleep mode off, the battery behaves 
 normally.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Apr 24, 2024, at 10:24 PM, Gabe Griffith  
> wrote:
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> Hi, 
> 
> I'd also double tap the side button to bring up the app switcher and 
> close any apps that appear like they might be battery drainers. Heck, if 
> your battery is draining that fast it might be worth closing all apps and 
> then restarting your watch again 
> 
> Gabe 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 7:44 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> Did that.  I have been force powering it off every morning since this 
>> started.  Once I do that, everything is back to normal, but then the 
>> next night the same thing happens.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try restarting your watch, and see if that helps.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 07:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> For the past three days, I’ve been waking up to find that my Apple 
>>> Watch battery is severely drained.  When I went to bed last night, it 
>>> was at 100%, and when I woke up this morning, it was at 56%.  Before 
>>> this week, it would generally be right around 92% when I woke up.  The 
>>> other thing that seems strange, is that when I went to take it out of 
>>> sleep mode, there appeared to be some kind of count-down timer running. 
>>>  Anyone have any idea what could be going on?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Recommendations for a keyboard for an iPad mini?

2024-04-07 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Donna,
I am probably one of the few who still likes full-size keyboards with lots of 
key travel and mechanical switches. To that end, I recently purchased a 
Logitech MX mechanical keyboard to use with my iPad mini. It is certainly 
larger than most. It has the full number pad. It has some spacing between the 
different sets of keys. It has the arrow keys with space around them so you can 
actually tell where and what they are. so it may not be for you. But it’s 
cheaper than the Apple keyboard for sure. I got it at Best Buy and I don’t 
remember what I paid, but I saw the Apple keyboards there and they were 
substantially more money.

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> On Apr 7, 2024, at 8:38 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> Subject says it all.  I need a keyboard for my iPad mini.  Appreciate any and 
> all recommendations.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Warning to anyone looking to buy a HomePod: apparently Apple thinks it's OK to sell paperweights disguised as Homepods

2024-04-04 Thread Mary Otten
I have to agree with Donna about the HomePod. I have had Google nests, the mini ones, and overtime, Google Assistant is actually getting dumber. They’re taking longer and longer to respond and they often don’t have a clue. As for the Amazon devices, they’re OK too I suppose if you don’t mind questionable security. They’re good for SiriusXM which is mostly what I use them for and setting timers. But asking them for information is like the wild West. Siri has never been known for its great accuracy of information either, but it seems like Google and Amazon are getting dumber, a troubling trend. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 31, 2024, at 10:20 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Actually, the HomePod is a good product.  The problem isn’t that the HomePod was defective, it’s that Apple shouldn’t ship them out without first upgrading them to a software version supported by HomeKit.In terms of performance, once it’s connected to Home, it does quite well, I think.  We used to have Sonos speakers, and they were constantly dropping out and needing to be reconnected or reset.  I don’t have any of that with the HomePods.  Also, I think Apple does a much better job of managing security than Amazon Alexa does.Cheers,DonnaOn Mar 31, 2024, at 11:09 AM, Michael Irons  wrote:Hello everybody I am inclined to agree with Anders Holmberg about the HomePod. I don’t want to get HomePod either. It sounds like Apple has turned out something that has some pretty serious defects in it. I am getting along with a Google home speaker and an Alexa device that my dad invited me to take with me when I moved out of his house. I also have a Google home hub which seems to work pretty good. Both of these devices can be updated. I would hope that Apple would understand about their defective product and work on a remedy to fix it. I feel bad for those people that were unfortunate enough to get a HomePod. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 31, 2024, at 10:57 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:Hi!I don’t want to get a HomePod.Not for this reason but I do not need it.However it seems very very clunky and unacceptable to me.I once was an apple fanboy but now a days I am not a fanboy of any brand.Bless./A29 mars 2024 kl. 02:43 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries :Hi all,I just wanted to share this with the list, as it could potentially impact anyone considering the purchase of a HomePod or HomePod mini.  Feel free to share with anyone who might benefit.After spending an entire afternoon trying to set up our new HomePod mini, I found the following article.  Buyer beware!  Apparently Apple thinks it’s just fine to sell these things.  I plan on returning mine, and will only buy another if the people at the Apple Store can definitively prove that it is running a more recent software version.Apple Details What to Do If You Can't Update HomePod When Advanced Data Protection Is Enabledmacrumors.comThe text of the article follows:To use Advanced Data Protection for iCloud, all the devices logged into your Apple ID require a minimum software version. That includes HomePod speakers, which must be running at least HomePod software 16.2. However, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, there is a bug in the Home app that prevents HomePods running older versions of the software from being updated if iCloud end-to-end encryption has been turned on.This means anyone buying a HomePod that ships with an OS older than 16.2 won't be able to set it up, because doing so first requires an update.Apple's support document explains what options are available to customers facing this predicament. If the speaker in question is a HomePod mini, users can connect it to a Mac via the USB-C cable and update it through Finder (or iTunes on a PC) by selecting the HomePod in the Finder sidebar and clicking the Restore HomePod option. This will update the speaker to the latest software, after which it can be properly set up.The full-size first-generation HomePod and the new 2023 HomePod have no USB-C port, so unless Apple includes a fix in iOS 16.3, which is expected to be released next week, owners of these speakers will have to temporarily turn off Advanced Data Protection to update the HomePod software. Apple outlines how to do that in the following way:Turn off Advanced Data Protection in iCloud settings on your iPhone, iPad, or Mac: In Settings or System Settings, tap your name, then tap iCloud. Scroll to Advanced Data Protection and turn off Advanced Data Protection.If you received an error message when you previously tried to set up your HomePod, you may need to reset your HomePod. Then set up your HomePod.Update your HomePod to the latest software using the Home app. Turn on Advanced Data Protection in iCloud settings on your iPhone, iPad, or Mac: In Settings or System Settings, tap your name, then tap iCloud. Scroll to Advanced Data Protection and turn on Advanced Data Protection.Apple advises anyone who temporarily turns off Advanced Data Protection to turn it back on immediately af

Re: More on the HomePod from hell

2024-04-04 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Donna,
Well good for you keeping those speakers. I think I’ve heard of Sonos amps, and 
I imagine they’re pretty pricey. I still have my old Adcom power amp and a 
preamp that dates from Gali sometime in the 80s maybe. A long time ago. It 
sounds great. But there’s no Bluetooth or anything anywhere, hence the 
HomePods. Like you, I used to have a giant collection of albums and then CDs. 
The albums are gone as is my beloved B and O turntable, and I ripped all the 
CDs into whatever lossless codec was at the time back when I had a Mac. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 30, 2024, at 6:46 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Mary,
> 
> I wish I knew for sure.  I think some of my trouble was created by me.  I had 
> the “clever” idea Thursday night that if I could pair it with my old iPhone 
> 7, which I still keep around as a music player, it wouldn’t connect to our 
> home, but should be able to connect to our wireless network.  My hope was 
> that that would allow it to update, which would then allow me to reset it, 
> and set it up again using my iPhone 14 pro.  But, and I don’t totally 
> understand this, when you reset a HomePod, it still holds on to some of your 
> settings. So when I connected it to my Mac, it downloaded software version 
> 17.2, which, though not the current version was current enough for it to 
> connect with our home.  But, it still seemed to have had stuff from the 
> earlier pairing, so instead of updating, somehow it seems to have downgraded 
> our Home software, which meant that nothing worked. I do know that something 
> like that happened because after I finally got it to work yesterday, I was 
> prompted again to upgrade everything to the new home infrastructure.  At that 
> point it was late, and I was tired, so I reset the HomePod and went to bed, 
> leaving the Mini unplugged overnight and all the next morning.  When I 
> finally had time to get back to it, the setup worked.  It got setup in our 
> home, and then immediately updated.
> 
> By the way, re your stereo, we solved that problem by buying a Sonos amp.  My 
> husband built a pair of speakers when he was in college, and to this day I 
> think they’re some of the best speakers I’ve heard.  So, even though we 
> wanted to go to a wireless system, there was no way we were giving up those 
> speakers.  I don’t remember the price of the amp, but it works very well, and 
> gives us the option of having my husband’s speakers in our Home setup.  Just 
> thought I’d let you know that’s an option, in case it’s of interest. 😊
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 11:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> So how did you get your problem resolved, Donna? I know they finally figured 
>> out a way to charge iPhones in the store which is a good thing, since that 
>> caused a big mess. I don’t think they’ve done that with HomePods. So how did 
>> you get yours done? I still have my pair of old HomePods connected in the 
>> front room. I love old-fashioned stereo, and the HomePods don’t compare with 
>> my big fat great stereo speakers. The only problem is, they don’t make 
>> equipment that connects like that anymore unless you want to spend we big 
>> bucks. So, we’re stuck with all this wireless crap. This is not progress, 
>> but what can you do?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 7:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Karen. It all worked out in the end. Well I respect your choice to 
>>> continue using your stereo, personally I love voice control. I love that I 
>>> can use it to do things and get more stuff done. We all choose the 
>>> technology that is most comfortable for us. Well I recognize that HomePods 
>>> may not be your choice, they were mine. And when we purchased this HomePod 
>>> mini, we had no expectation of the trials that awaited us. I do think 
>>> apples quality control has gone downhill a lot, and I think this is just 
>>> the latest example of that, unfortunately.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:47 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Donna,
>>>> I am deeply sorry this situation is so frustrating.
>>>> I  also respect your personal choices for your personal enjoyment of what 
>>>> the  Homepods provide for you.
>>>> Hopefully others will provide a path not requiring you to reconfigure 
>>>> everything from scratch.
>>>> Downloading an older edition of the software seems odd indeed.
>>>> Karen
>>>> 
>>

Re: More on the HomePod from hell

2024-03-29 Thread Mary Otten
So how did you get your problem resolved, Donna? I know they finally figured 
out a way to charge iPhones in the store which is a good thing, since that 
caused a big mess. I don’t think they’ve done that with HomePods. So how did 
you get yours done? I still have my pair of old HomePods connected in the front 
room. I love old-fashioned stereo, and the HomePods don’t compare with my big 
fat great stereo speakers. The only problem is, they don’t make equipment that 
connects like that anymore unless you want to spend we big bucks. So, we’re 
stuck with all this wireless crap. This is not progress, but what can you do? 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2024, at 7:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Karen. It all worked out in the end. Well I respect your choice to 
> continue using your stereo, personally I love voice control. I love that I 
> can use it to do things and get more stuff done. We all choose the technology 
> that is most comfortable for us. Well I recognize that HomePods may not be 
> your choice, they were mine. And when we purchased this HomePod mini, we had 
> no expectation of the trials that awaited us. I do think apples quality 
> control has gone downhill a lot, and I think this is just the latest example 
> of that, unfortunately.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:47 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> I am deeply sorry this situation is so frustrating.
>> I  also respect your personal choices for your personal enjoyment of what 
>> the  Homepods provide for you.
>> Hopefully others will provide a path not requiring you to reconfigure 
>> everything from scratch.
>> Downloading an older edition of the software seems odd indeed.
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>> First of all, it appears that getting a full-sized one wouldn’t solve the 
>>> problem.  In the discussions I saw on the internet, both devices were 
>>> mentioned.  Second, when we’re in the kitchen, we’re usually also doing 
>>> other things, so there’s no real need to spend the money for full-sized 
>>> HomePod.
>>> Donna
>>> 
> On Mar 29, 2024, at 1:47 PM, Karen Lewellen  
> wrote:
 
 Ah, an understandable reason.
 Thanks for sharing.
 Curious why not simply getting a second full sized homepod would not work 
 though?
 Speaking personally if I ever reach that level of need, that they are not 
 sold  in pairs automatically will either insure I get them, or skip the 
 process all together smiles.
 but hey I sill play my music on a stereo.
 
 
 
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 
> We had one full-sized HomePod in the kitchen, which served as our primary 
> hub, and another in the family room.  We decided that in the kitchen we 
> could do with just a mini, and that would allow us to move the kitchen 
> HomePod to the Family room and create a stereo pair.
> Donna
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> ,Donna,
>> I have a question.
>> what need motivated your adding this new homepod in the first place?
>> What in your current set up was no longer working to your  satisfaction 
>> leading to your needing a new option?
>> Just curious, especially given  this latest chapter.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi again all,
>>> 
>>> So, late last night I finally got my new Mini to download a more 
>>> current software version by connecting it to My Mac and using Finder.  
>>> However, for reasons I can’t begin to fathom, it downloaded 17.2, 
>>> instead of 17.4, which is what the rest of my Home is running.  I have 
>>> my HomePods set to update automatically, so I figured I’d just set it 
>>> up, and it would update automatically overnight.  But apparently that 
>>> was too much to hope for.  Instead, it made a wreck of my home in the 
>>> Home app.  I have devices that have had multiple names, as I have moved 
>>> them to different rooms.  All those devices reverted back to an older 
>>> name.  And none of my accessories, other than the HomePods are 
>>> responding.  Does anyone have an idea what happened or thoughts on a 
>>> possible fix?  I’d really love to avoid deleting my Home and setting it 
>>> up from scratch.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Rotor on iPhone

2024-03-15 Thread Mary Otten
This has been a long-standing problem, and it doesn’t mean that the links 
aren’t in your rotor. It means that a lot of text messages have links that 
simply don’t show up as such. At least that’s been my experience. If I’m in a 
text message that acts like this where the rotor doesn’t move to a link, I can 
move to the link text using move by word. Once there, link is announced, but 
double tapping on it never ever Works. This has been going on at least since 
iOS 16 and I have reported it to no avail. 
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> Hi all,
>   While in a text message, I invoked the rotor to select Links. Something 
> happened and can no longer find Links. Checked in the rotor settings and 
> Links is still selected. How to fix this? Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Anyone else using Apple Pay or an Apple Card?

2024-03-06 Thread Mary Otten
Interesting. I have had legitimate purchases declined by my Apple Card. I get a 
notification immediately telling me this was declined, did you do it? And if I 
go click yes, then it goes through. I’ve never had them not catch something. So 
that was very interesting. I have had fraud on two other cards. Nothing to do 
with Apple or my phone or anything I did. The damned thieves probably got my 
number someway somewhere but not because I lost a card or saved a card on a 
website or whatever. I never ever save credit card information anywhere Except 
on braille cards that I keep. Nobody reads braille except blind people. Smile. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 6, 2024, at 10:41 AM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> 
> I had fraudulent attacks on two cards on the same day. It was my own fault, I 
> was not paying attention. Anyway, the Chase bank caught it, and the charge 
> never went through, but the charge went through on the Apple card.
> Mary Ward
> 
> On Mar 6, 2024, at 12:15 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don't think Mary's concerns have anything to do with Apple Pay. I believe 
> this is a Chase bank issue.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 6, 2024, at 10:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Thank you, everyone for sharing your experiences.  Mary, the concerns you 
> raise are among those I’m trying to figure out, so I really appreciate you 
> mentioning them.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Mar 6, 2024, at 9:55 AM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I use both. I use Apple Pay on the phone and the Mac. The only concern 
>> I have is that once I had some fraudulent charges. The chase bank people 
>> were on the ball, but with Apple Pay, I had to contest the charges and wait 
>> for the money. I thought they were not quite as much on the ball.
>> Mary Ward
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2024, at 8:43 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Subject says it all,  I’m considering one or both of these options.  Would 
>> love to know list members experiences, both good and bad.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Anyone else using Apple Pay or an Apple Card?

2024-03-06 Thread Mary Otten
I have never had any problems with Apple Pay on my phone, which is the only 
place I use it. I do use the Apple Card for a lot of things and I love it, 
because you immediately know when anything was charged to your card. I don’t 
get that same thing with any other card, so I really appreciate The immediate 
notification. I’ve never had any problems with it.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi all,
> 
> Subject says it all,  I’m considering one or both of these options.  Would 
> love to know list members experiences, both good and bad.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

2024-02-07 Thread Mary Otten
 I just got a pair of the open fit, and I purchased them from at guys, keep the 
money in the blind community when you can if the price is the same or very 
close, I say. I ordered them on the weekend and they came today. I live in 
Oregon, and I suspect they were shipped from somewhere back east, so decent 
turnaround, not that much different than Amazon, which prime does not always 
come in two days anymore. Mark, how did you find out about all this stuff? I’m 
assuming there is nothing accessible as far as documentation goes. Any hints 
about that would be great.
Mary

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> On Feb 7, 2024, at 6:54 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting
> Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.
> 
> I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the
> Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using
> a Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.
> 
> I think they are absolutely amazing.
> 
> What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app
> for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I
> absolutely love.
> 
> The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.
> 
> In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days
> later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  
> 
> With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from which
> to choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.
> 
> The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.
> 
> There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit
> model.
> 1.
> The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.
> 
> 2.
> The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to conduct the
> sound.
> 
> 3.
> Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on both
> ears.
> 
> 4.
> Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch between
> Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect to, two,
> devices, simultaneously.
> 
> You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like me,
> just go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.
> 
> Mark
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Re: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display

2024-01-05 Thread Mary Otten
You can always hope that Google actually keeps its promise and supports the hid 
protocol which this device uses. Way too rich for my blood, but really Google. 
You were on board with the standard, but when push came to shove, you wouldn’t 
do it. Just another reason not to trust Google I guess.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:40 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
>> On 5/1/24 18:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I can’t imagine switching to an Android phone, but you’re absolutely right.  
>> If one were to do that, the Activator would lose much of its luster.
> 
> If you "can't imagine" it, then you're the right kind of customer for the 
> Activator.
> 
> I can more than imagine switching to Android. I've been careful to avoid 
> "vendor lock-in" as much as I can. Facetime is the only application of note 
> that I would lose, and there are alternatives. Apple Music has an Android 
> version, so it wouldn't pose a problem.
> 
> Due to Apple's hardware quality, good accessibility, and the policy of 
> supporting devices longer than most Android manufacturers do, I'm likely to 
> buy an iPhone again next time. However, I want to make that choice on its 
> merits when the need for a new device emerges. The apparently ongoing lack of 
> support by Android for the HID braille display standard, especially via 
> Bluetooth, is another substantial reason against choosing an Android option.
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Re: ios 17 and two voiceOvers

2023-10-12 Thread Mary Otten
Yes. I have the exact same problem with switching between Alex and Samantha. I 
can’t figure out when or why it happens. But when it does, it’s annoying, and 
as you say, voiceover becomes extremely sluggish.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> I have, mine loves to occasionally switch from Alex to Samantha then back 
> again.  I just took it as Apple trying to temporarily patch the bug that’s 
> been a constant where Alex temporarily would stop speaking until it could be 
> fixed, but even if that is the case, I can’t stand the “cover it up” 
> mentality too many people have regarding anything, until it gets so bad 
> someone is forced to deal with it, and then is 10 times worse and even harder 
> to fix.
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 10:15 AM, christopher moore  wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> Occasionally my iPhone switches from my standard VO voice to a siri voice.  
>> When this happens the screen navigation becomes sluggish.  My normal voice 
>> eventually returns, but this behavior is extremely annoying.
>> 
>> Anyone else had similar experiences?
>> 
>> Chris
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Re: Dictating and sending messages in iOS 16

2022-12-18 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Donna,
I have not seen that problem. I have seen the problem where after I dictate a 
message and double tap to stop dictation, it doesn’t stop. Maybe it takes two 
or three taps for it to stop. But I haven’t seen what you’re describing, thank 
goodness!
Mary.


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> Ever since iO s 16, I’ve been experiencing an issue in the Messages app.  
> When I go to tap the dictation button to end dictating a message, instead of 
> dictation stopping, the message is automatically sent.  This is frustrating, 
> because it’s resulted in messages being sent before I was able to edit out 
> Siri’s errors.  Is anyone else experiencing this?  Anyone know if this is a 
> bug, or if I’m doing something wrong?  I never had this problem before iOS 16.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Displaying actual activity numbers in Watch 9?

2022-09-13 Thread Mary Otten
Well, here’s hoping it’s got numbers. I will have to take a chance and upgrade 
my phone if it does, because I’m interested in the extra workout features.


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> On Sep 13, 2022, at 7:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Yes.
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2022, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> Hi Donna,
>> Did you mean the info graph face? The one with 8complications? Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Sep 13, 2022, at 5:04 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi Mary,
>>> 
>>> Yes, the chronograph face does give you numbers.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 13, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have an updated yet, because I’m still running iOS 15 on my phone. My 
>>>> watch face is the info graph, which I like because it has eight 
>>>> complications. Has anybody tried that one? Does it give percentages or 
>>>> numbers? I will not upgrade if it doesn’t give numbers. Too bad, but I 
>>>> really like numbers.
>>>> Mary 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> In watch the activity widget on my Meridian face only provides 
>>>>> percentage, but on the Cronograph Pro face I get percentages and actual 
>>>>> values.
>>>>> I can't help beyond that.
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Re: Displaying actual activity numbers in Watch 9?

2022-09-13 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Donna,
Did you mean the info graph face? The one with 8complications? Thanks.

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> Hi Mary,
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> Yes, the chronograph face does give you numbers.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> On Sep 13, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I have an updated yet, because I’m still running iOS 15 on my phone. My 
>> watch face is the info graph, which I like because it has eight 
>> complications. Has anybody tried that one? Does it give percentages or 
>> numbers? I will not upgrade if it doesn’t give numbers. Too bad, but I 
>> really like numbers.
>> Mary 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Sep 13, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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>>> In watch the activity widget on my Meridian face only provides percentage, 
>>> but on the Cronograph Pro face I get percentages and actual values.
>>> I can't help beyond that.
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Re: Displaying actual activity numbers in Watch 9?

2022-09-13 Thread Mary Otten
I have an updated yet, because I’m still running iOS 15 on my phone. My watch 
face is the info graph, which I like because it has eight complications. Has 
anybody tried that one? Does it give percentages or numbers? I will not upgrade 
if it doesn’t give numbers. Too bad, but I really like numbers.
Mary 

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Re: Youtube music, Apple Music, Spotify.

2022-07-02 Thread Mary Otten
I also use Apple Music, because I like the high quality at no extra cost, the 
ease of use with Siri, the fact that I have HomePods and iOS devices etc. I 
also had it linked to my Amazon, although that went out a little while back and 
I haven’t tried it since. I did have Amazon music, but I dropped it, because it 
never got linked up with my HomePods so never mind. I have YouTube premium but 
not for the music, just for the fact that I don’t have to see ads ever.


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> Hello,
> 
> how do you use service for listening to music and why?
> I am talking about the services in a subject.
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> Thank you.
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Re: Clicking links embedded in iOS text messages

2022-05-05 Thread Mary Otten
I wonder if it matters that the person sending the message is not using an 
Apple device. Of course it’s impossible to know in many cases whether an Apple 
device is being used. The links are coming from organizations, so who knows 
what device they used? Still, more often than not, way more often than not, it 
doesn’t work. I’m shocked when it does. It used to be quite reliable. But that 
was a couple of years ago or so. 

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> On May 5, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I have had no problem accessing links in iMessages.
> In my experience, this works as it has always worked for as long as I can 
> remember.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2022, at 12:30, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> This used to work reliably. It’s been broken for quite some time, and yes I 
> have reported it. Occasionally it works. Mostly it does not. Even when I’m 
> right on the text that says “link“, when I turn my rotor to links and flick 
> up or down, nothing. I don’t know why, but mostly it’s a Knogo.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 5, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Set your rotor to Links, and then swipe up or down as appropriate. This 
>> should place focus on the link, where you can do a one finger double tap to 
>> execute the link.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On May 5, 2022, at 11:13, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> How does one go about interacting with links that are embedded in text 
>> messages in the iOS message app? I don’t use a lot of texting, but 
>> occasionally I need to click a link in a message that was sent to me and for 
>> the life of me I can’t find any way of clicking that link. It is reported by 
>> voiceover as a link, but there is no links in the rotor and if I navigate to 
>> it by word and land on it and try to click that doesn’t even work. 
>> 
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Re: Clicking links embedded in iOS text messages

2022-05-05 Thread Mary Otten
This used to work reliably. It’s been broken for quite some time, and yes I 
have reported it. Occasionally it works. Mostly it does not. Even when I’m 
right on the text that says “link“, when I turn my rotor to links and flick up 
or down, nothing. I don’t know why, but mostly it’s a Knogo.


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> Set your rotor to Links, and then swipe up or down as appropriate. This 
> should place focus on the link, where you can do a one finger double tap to 
> execute the link.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 5, 2022, at 11:13, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> How does one go about interacting with links that are embedded in text 
> messages in the iOS message app? I don’t use a lot of texting, but 
> occasionally I need to click a link in a message that was sent to me and for 
> the life of me I can’t find any way of clicking that link. It is reported by 
> voiceover as a link, but there is no links in the rotor and if I navigate to 
> it by word and land on it and try to click that doesn’t even work. 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread Mary Otten
Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get a 
group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max did. 
You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging in, but 
to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like Google. It’s 
too bad we can’t go to groups.io.


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> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
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> Hi,
> clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not 
> found.
> Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have 
> access to that page also.
> Can anybody give me any pointers?
> Thanks for any help.
> Max
> 
>> On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
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>> hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)
>> 
>> yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.
>> 
>> I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end so 
>> perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual wording 
>> of the links in the invitation.
>> 
>> -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.
>> 
>> If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we can 
>> go from there.
>> 
>> Best of luck!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
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>> 
>> 
 On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
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>>> hi,
>>> I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we then 
>>> click on the link to join?
>>> Or is this not necessary?
>>> Max.
>>> 
 On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I have some good news!
 
 Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
 
 For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
 until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
 
 Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
 members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your 
 invitation. This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount 
 of invites we can send out each day.
 
 For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
 the link to the group page.
 
 https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
 
 I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
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My HomePod will not play music

2021-12-04 Thread Mary Otten
I have googled this, and follow the suggestions to restart my HomePod and to 
sign in and out, or I should say out and in my iCloud on my HomePod using the 
Home app. Originally, it was still playing stuff from my library, but I 
couldn’t get it to play anything from Apple Music that wasn’t already in my 
library. Now, it will play nothing. Not my library, not Apple Music. I can hand 
off to it from my phone, but that’s a waste of time. These things used to work 
fine. Now I might as will not even have them. Does anybody have any suggestions?


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Re: Problem ending a workout on Apple Watch

2021-10-18 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Paul,
I have the same as you, but I use Siri to start and stop workouts. Generally it 
works like a charm. Sometimes, Siri can’t do a connection or some dumb thing, 
but if I repeat what I want, it generally works. And despite the occasional 
missed connection with Siri, I think this is faster than flicking around as you 
described. Hope that helps.


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> Hello,
> I am running Watch OS 8.0.1 on my Apple Watch SE.
> 
> I have problems ending a workout such as Outdoor Walk or Core Exercise. 
> Before upgrading to Watch OS 8 when I had finished the workout I used to go 
> to the appropriate workout and flick down to get to page 1 and then double 
> tap the end button. That resulted in a summary of the workout showing 
> duration, average heart rate, calories and so on. I then pressed the done 
> button to get back to the watch face.
> 
> Since upgrading to Watch OS 8 I can no longer reliably get to the page where 
> I can end the workout. Instead flicking down gets to a page about playing the 
> next music track which does not work because the watch is not set up to play 
> music. Note that I do not want to play any music anywhere during the workout. 
> I do not know why the workout now wants to play music.
> 
> Any thoughts on why this is happening and what I can do to fix it?
> 
> Many thanks … Paul Hopewell
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Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

2021-09-18 Thread Mary Otten
I have hope everybody who has tried this and found it less than wonderful has 
been riding to Apple accessibility and wherever else you might have contact. 
It’s ridiculous. This is one of the main components in their stupid bundle that 
we have to buy if we want to get a deal. This and the games are totally 
worthless for voiceover users. So I say again: Apple: make an accessibility 
bundle. Let us pick the stuff we want that actually we can use and get a break 
on the price just like the sighted people.

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> On Sep 18, 2021, at 3:45 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Thank you for the feedback, Julie.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Julie Rattray
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 12:58 AM
> To: 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users
> 
> Yes my experience is like yours very video based and hard to follow as the 
> audio that goes with video not really descriptive enough - assumes you can 
> see video - hoping for more audio content in the future 
> 
>> On 17 Sep 2021, at 01:01, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Question:  does anyone use or has anyone used Apple Fitness Plus?  If 
>> so, how was / is your experience?
>> 
>> So much of the content is video-based, at least, that is how it 
>> appears in all of the Apple Keynote Presentations.
>> 
>> I know that they mentioned something about adding more audio-based 
>> content to the service but just wanted to get some feedback here in the 
>> forum.
>> 
>> I look forward to your replies,
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

2021-09-17 Thread Mary Otten
Make sure your PDF has tables, headings, links, all the stuff that many PDFs 
have.


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> On Sep 17, 2021, at 11:01 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Well,
> Let me try reading a PDF on my M1 Mac and get back to you.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 1:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
> Mac as a Blind Student
>  
> For me, the reason I don’t use a Mac anymore has to do with PDF files and web 
> usage. I found PDFs really difficult to deal with except the short and super 
> simple ones, and in my view, voiceover just doesn’t cut it as compared to 
> windows screen readers with various browsers. It gets busy and goes in 
> circles etc. Now I haven’t had a Mac in a couple of years. But I always keep 
> asking about PDF, and so far, crickets. So no voiceover and Mac for me 
> anymore.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:50 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, the Victor Reader still uses SD Cards.
> I was thinking back to my college days.
> I will not be convinced that the Mac can replace Windows until OCR is 
> included in VoiceOver by default much like we may see in IOS15.
> I was trying to ask questions that the article did not address.
> I think I have unreasonable expectations for the Mac though given that 
> Windows doesn’t allow you to answer calls as seamlessly as the Mac can.
> If Apple would only add the same features from IOS to the Mac the OS would be 
> even better i.e. include the OCR recognition and improve the catalyst app 
> experience.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:44 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
> Mac as a Blind Student
>  
> I’m confused with some of your questions but I will give it a go. First, I 
> know there are some OcR solutions with the Mac but I have not dealt with them 
> since like you said, the phone can handle that. As for Kindle, is it any 
> better on Windows? You can always get Alexa to read those as well. There is a 
> Learning Ally app for the phone. Unzipping, are you talking about the Mac or 
> phone? It’s a piece of cake on the Mac, do a  command O on the Zip file, and 
> it will create a new folder with all the content. PDF’s, you have Preview, 
> Chrome, or Adobe as options to pursue. Preview comes as part of the Mac and 
> is usable. As for the Victor,, do they still use SD cards?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2021, at 04:08, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
> The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
> eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.
> Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?
> What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a 
> Victor Reader Stream?
> What about reading PDF files?
>  
> From: tech...@groups.io  On Behalf Of David Goldfield
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:29 AM
> To: tech...@groups.iotv 
> Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac 
> as a Blind Student
>  
> iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM
> 5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student
> 
> 5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student
> 
> If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can bring a 
> host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your assistive 
> technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question will arise: 
> What computing platform should you choose for your academics? Mac or Windows?
> If you’re blind, in a hurry and want to get to the meat of this article, the 
> correct choice is a Mac. Now here’s why.
> 1. Cost vs. Benefits
> 
> If you’re a time-crunched student who has to sort out accessible books, 
> travel, classes and other school concerns, you want a computer that saves you 
> time. Macs do this by bundling all of the needed software with the machine. 
> In addition to VoiceOver and Zoom, Macs come with built-in productivity tools 
> such as Pages, Numbers and Keynote. These apps are accessible right away and 
> there’s no need to install anything else to get them to work with the 
> assistive technology.
> The trade-off is cost. Yes, Macs can be more expensive in the short term, but 
> the alternative is buying a PC, paying for an installing a screen reader, 
> paying for and installing productivity apps and configuring the machine to 
> your liking. When all is said 

Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

2021-09-17 Thread Mary Otten
For me, the reason I don’t use a Mac anymore has to do with PDF files and web 
usage. I found PDFs really difficult to deal with except the short and super 
simple ones, and in my view, voiceover just doesn’t cut it as compared to 
windows screen readers with various browsers. It gets busy and goes in circles 
etc. Now I haven’t had a Mac in a couple of years. But I always keep asking 
about PDF, and so far, crickets. So no voiceover and Mac for me anymore.

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> On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:50 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, the Victor Reader still uses SD Cards.
> I was thinking back to my college days.
> I will not be convinced that the Mac can replace Windows until OCR is 
> included in VoiceOver by default much like we may see in IOS15.
> I was trying to ask questions that the article did not address.
> I think I have unreasonable expectations for the Mac though given that 
> Windows doesn’t allow you to answer calls as seamlessly as the Mac can.
> If Apple would only add the same features from IOS to the Mac the OS would be 
> even better i.e. include the OCR recognition and improve the catalyst app 
> experience.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:44 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
> Mac as a Blind Student
>  
> I’m confused with some of your questions but I will give it a go. First, I 
> know there are some OcR solutions with the Mac but I have not dealt with them 
> since like you said, the phone can handle that. As for Kindle, is it any 
> better on Windows? You can always get Alexa to read those as well. There is a 
> Learning Ally app for the phone. Unzipping, are you talking about the Mac or 
> phone? It’s a piece of cake on the Mac, do a  command O on the Zip file, and 
> it will create a new folder with all the content. PDF’s, you have Preview, 
> Chrome, or Adobe as options to pursue. Preview comes as part of the Mac and 
> is usable. As for the Victor,, do they still use SD cards?
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2021, at 04:08, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
> The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
> eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.
> Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?
> What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a 
> Victor Reader Stream?
> What about reading PDF files?
>  
> From: tech...@groups.io  On Behalf Of David Goldfield
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:29 AM
> To: tech...@groups.iotv 
> Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac 
> as a Blind Student
>  
> iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM
> 5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student
> 
> 5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student
> 
> If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can bring a 
> host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your assistive 
> technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question will arise: 
> What computing platform should you choose for your academics? Mac or Windows?
> If you’re blind, in a hurry and want to get to the meat of this article, the 
> correct choice is a Mac. Now here’s why.
> 1. Cost vs. Benefits
> 
> If you’re a time-crunched student who has to sort out accessible books, 
> travel, classes and other school concerns, you want a computer that saves you 
> time. Macs do this by bundling all of the needed software with the machine. 
> In addition to VoiceOver and Zoom, Macs come with built-in productivity tools 
> such as Pages, Numbers and Keynote. These apps are accessible right away and 
> there’s no need to install anything else to get them to work with the 
> assistive technology.
> The trade-off is cost. Yes, Macs can be more expensive in the short term, but 
> the alternative is buying a PC, paying for an installing a screen reader, 
> paying for and installing productivity apps and configuring the machine to 
> your liking. When all is said and done, you may actually lose time installing 
> and configuring extra software whereas with a Mac, you can simply turn the 
> machine on and start working right away.
> 2. The Apple Ecosystem
> 
> When you buy any Apple product, you’re jumping into the Apple ecosystem. 
> Macs, iPhones, Air Pods, Home Pods and iCloud all work together seamlessly. 
> This is another time saver if you’re a blind student looking to have 
> everything work the first time with no let downs. This not only lets you 
> focus on your studies, but you are creating an ecosystem of products that can 
> grow as you purchase Apple products down the road.
> 3. Low Maintenance
> 
> It’s 2 in the morning and you’ve got a major paper due in 7 hours. As you’re 
> settling into your writing flow, do you want to be interrupted with reminders 
> to defragment 

Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

2021-07-02 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 was 
because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds of 
PDF files.


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> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
> PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a 
> really good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more 
> expensive and probably has more features than you might need.  There are 
> likely other packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked 
> well for me.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but 
>> I don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text 
>> and $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF 
>> and maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
>>> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and 
>>> that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
 Hi Tim,
 Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, 
 though. I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have 
 the Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was 
 a subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am 
 not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
 Best Regards,
 
 Les
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
>> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
>> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
>> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
>> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
>> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
>> instances. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
 not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is 
 there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is 
 there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth 
 accessing? Thank you.
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Re: Apple Music or other provider

2021-06-18 Thread Mary Otten
As somebody else already said, that decision is up to you, based on your usage 
and whether you’re happy with the service. You can save some money if you get a 
yearly subscription. I believe the cost for that is $100, or $99.99. That means 
that you would be saving about $20 over the monthly price. I like Apple Music. 
Others like Spotify. If you have AirPods Pro or AirPods Max, he would be able 
to take advantage of spatial audio, which I think is kind of cool.


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> On Jun 18, 2021, at 6:50 AM, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I have a free subscription of Apple Music, I got it  when I got my iPad. My 
> free subscription ends in July. What should I do should I stay or is your and 
> your subscription? Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 16, 2021, at 11:41 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronald,
> 
> You’re most welcome.  Yes, modifying the decoder within the AirPlay or 
> AirPlay 2  protocol would be a great solution.  It would be interesting if 
> Apple made the Apple Music app available to be installed on sound systems in 
> the way that they made Apple TV installable on some smart TV’s.  This would 
> make things extremely easy in my opinion.  I know that Spotify is available 
> on my AV receiver, so if Apple Music was available as well, then the whole 
> Apple TV connection may not be needed.
> 
> Regarding the Chrome Cast vs AirPlay question, there’s advantages and 
> disadvantages to both devices.  Of course, it likely depends on your use 
> case, your adoption of one eco-system vs the other, and other factors.  
> Here’s an article where one person gives there opinion on the benefits and 
> drawbacks of each.
> 
> https://www.allhomerobotics.com/airplay-vs-chromecast-which-one/
> 
> Remember, this is only the opinion of this fellow and we all have our own 
> biases.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> Many thanks for all your information, really appreciate it!
>> So I have to run the Apple Music app on Apple TV 4k and send the audio 
>> through a hdmi cable to the audio device. That figures, it is a bit 
>> cumbersome to have to do it this way though. 
>> There’s hope that Apple will fix this lossless to lossy stream, because 
>> Airplay is able to stream lossless after all.
>> The audio device isn’t a normal receiver, its a complete music-system. So I 
>> definately have to check for hdmi ports on that.
>> On another note, i cannot get why Apple only offers Airplay. I prefer the 
>> way Chromecast does it, it gets its own signal from the internet.
>> 
>> Anyways, thanks again.
>> 
>> Ronald
>>  
>> 
>>  Op 16 jun. 2021, om 17:48 heeft 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The Apple TV has to be the device sending the music to the receiver.  If 
>>> you AirPlay from your iPhone to the Apple TV, then it is the iPhone that is 
>>> in control, and thus you are essentially using AirPlay to deal with the 
>>> music, and AirPlay which then limits the bandwidth.   The Apple TV 4K is 
>>> perfectly accessible and supports Siri, thus you can ask music to be played 
>>> via the Siri remote for the Apple TV.  As long as the receiver has HDMI 
>>> input, you’re good to go.  There’s no need to connect a TV for the video 
>>> when playing music.  There are ways of using your iPhone as a remote for 
>>> the Apple TV, but it’s not really that necessary with the Siri remote.
>>> 
>>> I would say that all AV modern receivers would have HDMI inputs and 
>>> outputs, but if it’s not an AV receiver that you’re interested in, then 
>>> you’ll need to confirm.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:30 AM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 Thanks. That was something where I feared for. I honestly don’t know if 
 the music system which I am interested in has any hdmi ports, but even if 
 it does and I get an Apple TV 4k for this, how do I control Apple Music? 
 From the Apple TV or from my iPhone too? The latter is my preferred method.
 
 Ronald
 
 
> Op 16 jun. 2021, om 17:12 heeft 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi Ronald,
> 
> According to this post:
> 
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252848734
> 
> Both AirPlay and AirPlay 2 can actually handle lossless, but for some 
> reason, the AirPlay signal is converted/compressed thus it will not be 
> lossless by the time it reaches your receiver.
> 
> The best way to get lossless audio as well as Dolby Atmos is to use an 
>>>

Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

2021-03-14 Thread Mary Otten
Thanks for the link you sent in another message, I will be responding. My 
problem is that a lot of the stations I want our foreign language. And the 
Amazon devices and the Google devices will play them. Siri won’t. Why not? And 
even HomePod aside, Siri just sends me to the web far too often. Even on the 
watch. That’s ridiculous. Apple bought the leading AI of its time and totally 
lost it. I don’t want apple digging into my privacy matters. So I totally agree 
with you there. But I don’t think you have to know all about me in order to 
play a given radio station in a foreign country that exists on a service with 
which Apple supposedly has connections. It’s just screwed up. This is one area 
where Apple totally lost it. And it’s so sad. The homePod‘s are really nice 
speakers in my opinion.
Mary


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> On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, far be it from me to defend Siri, but she's gotten a lot better, at 
> least with regard to playing radio stations. I can now get her to play every 
> station I want to hear, either from public radio, Tune-In, or iHeart.  You 
> might give that another try.
> 
> I don't get why some music just won't play, and that's still an issue. I 
> mean, it would make sense if they had foreign language titles, but some of 
> the albums that give the most trouble don't. I've just solved that by 
> creating  playlist with the album, and giving it a different name. But you're 
> right, that shouldn't be necessary.
> 
> All this said, I don't see how focusing on the Mini is going to fix those 
> issues. The albums that won't play on my HomePod, also won't play on the mini.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> I agree with you with regard to privacy issues. But I honestly don’t think 
>> Apple has done what they could or should have done with Siri and never mind 
>> privacy issues. That is, privacy issues shouldn’t matter in these cases. 
>> Why, for instance, can’t you get radio stations around the world to play 
>> reliably? Why doesn’t music always play reliably? Why can’t you switch among 
>> music providers? Apple made a really nice speaker, better than Google 
>> certainly, and I don’t have the Amazon studio, so I can’t compare. I mean 
>> really. HomePod aside, Siri still get an awful lot of stuff wrong, and still 
>> sends you to the web Waymore than it should. Didn’t Apple say that was one 
>> of their big focuses for this year? Well, they blew it. So now, I have my 
>> nice HomePods which may or may not ever see any more upgrades. The 
>> performance is not reliable. It’s not the speaker. It’s the infrastructure. 
>> Apple screwed up.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Mary,
>>> 
>>> I'm sure everyone on this list knows I've had my frustrations with Siri. 
>>> lol That said, I'd still rather have Siri than either Alexa or Google. Not 
>>> that any company has a flawless track record, but I trust Apple's handling 
>>> of privacy issues much more than either Amazon or Google. Also, none of the 
>>> Amazon devices I've listened to sound as good as the HomePod does.
>>> 
>>> I have a couple of minis and they're fine as sort of satellite  Siris that 
>>> can also play music. I have one in the bedroom, and one down in the 
>>> exercise room. Neither are places where I'm totally focused on the sound 
>>> quality so it's fine. But I would never want a Mini in one of the main 
>>> living spaces of the house.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I couldn’t agree more, Donna. I was really disappointed. The problem with 
>>>> the homePod isn’t the speaker, it’s Apple and that god awful Siri. They 
>>>> really have not done what they should be doing with that. And there’s no 
>>>> way I’m interested in any HomePod mini. Why? I bought a pair of HomePods 
>>>> for the sound, and it’s very good. For 400 bucks, it sounds almost as good 
>>>> as speakers I paid more for in the past. But now it’s discontinued, so I 
>>>> guess maybe it won’t get more updates? What a rip! Apple, you really 
>>>> screwed it up!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2021, 

Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

2021-03-14 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Donna,
I agree with you with regard to privacy issues. But I honestly don’t think 
Apple has done what they could or should have done with Siri and never mind 
privacy issues. That is, privacy issues shouldn’t matter in these cases. Why, 
for instance, can’t you get radio stations around the world to play reliably? 
Why doesn’t music always play reliably? Why can’t you switch among music 
providers? Apple made a really nice speaker, better than Google certainly, and 
I don’t have the Amazon studio, so I can’t compare. I mean really. HomePod 
aside, Siri still get an awful lot of stuff wrong, and still sends you to the 
web Waymore than it should. Didn’t Apple say that was one of their big focuses 
for this year? Well, they blew it. So now, I have my nice HomePods which may or 
may not ever see any more upgrades. The performance is not reliable. It’s not 
the speaker. It’s the infrastructure. Apple screwed up.


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> On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Mary,
> 
> I'm sure everyone on this list knows I've had my frustrations with Siri. lol 
> That said, I'd still rather have Siri than either Alexa or Google. Not that 
> any company has a flawless track record, but I trust Apple's handling of 
> privacy issues much more than either Amazon or Google. Also, none of the 
> Amazon devices I've listened to sound as good as the HomePod does.
> 
> I have a couple of minis and they're fine as sort of satellite  Siris that 
> can also play music. I have one in the bedroom, and one down in the exercise 
> room. Neither are places where I'm totally focused on the sound quality so 
> it's fine. But I would never want a Mini in one of the main living spaces of 
> the house.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I couldn’t agree more, Donna. I was really disappointed. The problem with 
>> the homePod isn’t the speaker, it’s Apple and that god awful Siri. They 
>> really have not done what they should be doing with that. And there’s no way 
>> I’m interested in any HomePod mini. Why? I bought a pair of HomePods for the 
>> sound, and it’s very good. For 400 bucks, it sounds almost as good as 
>> speakers I paid more for in the past. But now it’s discontinued, so I guess 
>> maybe it won’t get more updates? What a rip! Apple, you really screwed it up!
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 5:55 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that’s too bad. The sound on the HomePod is much better than the mini.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:52 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I knew this day would come.  I did not think it would happen so soon
>>>> but .
>>>> 
>>>> Since purchasing my original HomePod, all I have asked Apple to do was to
>>>> add a device-specific equalizer so as to allow listeners to customize the
>>>> sounds balance.  This feature has long since been available on the Amazon
>>>> Echo devices.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA
>>>> Today
>>>> 
>>>> Apple to discontinue original HomePod and says it will focus efforts on
>>>> HomePod mini
>>>> 
>>>> Apple will discontinue its original HomePod four years after first 
>>>> releasing
>>>> the smart speaker.
>>>> 
>>>> The Cupertino, California-based tech giant says it will instead focus on 
>>>> its
>>>> new and smaller HomePod mini, which went on sale in November for $99.
>>>> "We are discontinuing the original HomePod, it will continue to be 
>>>> available
>>>> while supplies last through the Apple Online Store, Apple Retail Stores and
>>>> Apple Authorized Resellers," Apple said in a statement, reported by
>>>> TechCrunch. "We are focusing our efforts on HomePod mini."
>>>> 
>>>> Apple didn't immediately respond Saturday to USA TODAY's request for
>>>> comment. As of Saturday, the HomePod was selling for $299 on Apple's 
>>>> website
>>>> with the mini available for $99.
>>>> 
>>>> Apple first entered the smart speaker market in 2018 with the original
>>>> HomePod, first price

Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

2021-03-14 Thread Mary Otten
I couldn’t agree more, Donna. I was really disappointed. The problem with the 
homePod isn’t the speaker, it’s Apple and that god awful Siri. They really have 
not done what they should be doing with that. And there’s no way I’m interested 
in any HomePod mini. Why? I bought a pair of HomePods for the sound, and it’s 
very good. For 400 bucks, it sounds almost as good as speakers I paid more for 
in the past. But now it’s discontinued, so I guess maybe it won’t get more 
updates? What a rip! Apple, you really screwed it up!


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> On Mar 14, 2021, at 5:55 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow, that’s too bad. The sound on the HomePod is much better than the mini.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:52 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Well, I knew this day would come.  I did not think it would happen so soon
>> but .
>> 
>> Since purchasing my original HomePod, all I have asked Apple to do was to
>> add a device-specific equalizer so as to allow listeners to customize the
>> sounds balance.  This feature has long since been available on the Amazon
>> Echo devices.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA
>> Today
>> 
>> Apple to discontinue original HomePod and says it will focus efforts on
>> HomePod mini
>> 
>> Apple will discontinue its original HomePod four years after first releasing
>> the smart speaker.
>> 
>> The Cupertino, California-based tech giant says it will instead focus on its
>> new and smaller HomePod mini, which went on sale in November for $99.
>> "We are discontinuing the original HomePod, it will continue to be available
>> while supplies last through the Apple Online Store, Apple Retail Stores and
>> Apple Authorized Resellers," Apple said in a statement, reported by
>> TechCrunch. "We are focusing our efforts on HomePod mini."
>> 
>> Apple didn't immediately respond Saturday to USA TODAY's request for
>> comment. As of Saturday, the HomePod was selling for $299 on Apple's website
>> with the mini available for $99.
>> 
>> Apple first entered the smart speaker market in 2018 with the original
>> HomePod, first priced at $349, but dogged by complaints that the speaker did
>> little more than just play music. It was dwarfed by sales of Amazon's Echo,
>> the No. 1 best-selling smart speaker, and what was originally called the
>> Google Home.
>> 
>> The new HomePod mini can access apps on the iPhone using Siri, such as
>> calendar, messages, or Music. The speaker also features an intercom and the
>> ability to send messages from HomePod Mini to any Apple device, even
>> AirPods.
>> 
>> The smart speaker incorporates computational audio, which applies tuning
>> models to bolster its sound. When announcing the new speaker in November,
>> Apple said it would add a feature recognizing when your iPhone is near so
>> music can easily transfer from playing on iPhone to HomePod mini and trigger
>> visual and haptic responses on the phone.
>> 
>> In January, Apple posted record revenue of $111.4 billion during its 2021
>> fiscal first quarter, a 21% increase from the same period a year ago.
>> 
>> The company reported selling more iPhones and iPads, and hit a new revenue
>> high from its services, such as Apple TV+, from October through December
>> 2020, as consumers got new devices and used them more during the coronavirus
>> pandemic. 
>> 
>> Contributing: Mike Snider, Brett Molina and Jefferson Graham, USA TODAY
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2021/03/13/homepod-discontinued-app
>> le-focusing-efforts-homepod-mini/468041/
>> 
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Re: Most recent book about Zoom from the perspective of a visually-impaired User?

2021-02-27 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Mike,
It may be that the book you are looking for is part of the “take control“ 
series. Take control of zoom. It’s not written specifically from a blindness 
perspective. However, people who use this series say it is very well done and 
is good for voiceover users. So I think that might be the one you have in mind.


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> On Feb 27, 2021, at 6:26 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> After having listened to Jonathan Mosen’s excellent  Zoom tutorial, I 
> immediately became enamored of the Zoom service.  I subsequently learned 
> about a book on Zoom accessibility  that only recently appeared.  
> Unfortunately, I misplaced the information and, despite googling the subject, 
> I have struck out.  If not too much trouble, could someone please send me the 
> book information and where it can be purchased?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Mike
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Re: Unable to back up iPhone, because “some files are not available“

2021-02-06 Thread Mary Otten
Thanks for the suggestions. I doubt his iCloud is full, because it seems to me 
that when my iCloud was almost full, I got a message. And he hasn’t had any 
such messages. He also doesn’t have a Mac, which is where I ran into trouble 
with the iCloud in the 50 GB plan. Anyway, I’m forwarding all suggestions. 
Thanks.
Mary


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> On Feb 6, 2021, at 1:03 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> Is his iCloud full?  
> What about logging out of iCloud and back in.
> If all else fails, contact Apple support.
> 
> HTH
> Chris
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Unable to back up iPhone, because “some files are not available“

2021-02-06 Thread Mary Otten
I’m sending this on behalf of a friend. He has been unable to back up his phone 
since December of last year. When he tries, he gets a message back that says 
that some files are not available. And then the whole back up aborts. This is 
using iCloud. He has emptied his abs switcher and restarted his phone all to no 
avail. It’s plugged in and on Wi-Fi. No luck. Any ideas?
Mary


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Re: Facebook escalates feud with Apple over iOS privacy changes, cNet

2020-12-18 Thread Mary Otten
I couldn’t agree more. Facebook‘s actions over the past few years have proven 
that it is a bad actor. Zuckerberg should go. And I’m all for Apple in this 
one. I value my privacy. I would never trust Facebook. I signed out of them a 
couple or three years ago and will never go back. I don’t need them and we 
don’t need them. Kill Facebook. It has been an evil actor.


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> On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> In my honest opinion, Facebook is one of the worst privacy violating 
> companies in the world, if not the most, and will use any excuse to prop up 
> its interest. The very fact that it uses crawlers across the web to check 
> wherever you're surfing in itself is a privacy vilation. I just don't use 
> facebook, simple as that. Life is much better without it. Why spend time 
> looking at other people's activities when life is short, and there is so much 
> cool stuff going on outside of this jar of vitriol, back patting and 
> agonising self reflection posts?
> 
> Do yourselves a favour and get out of the matrix, before you become a pigeon 
> eating out of the hands of society's good willed but ultimately useless 
> cheers, likes and 4 word comments that mean absolutely nada to your lives, 
> except for Facebook who harvests the information and makes money off of you.
> 
> Apple, on the other hand, is quite direct at their approach: we make hardware 
> with verticality, and our stuff works for you. It's a square deal, our 
> hardware is more expensive, but we will do everything to make sure it works 
> well, and protects your right to privacy, and not have some Zucker borg or 
> some Bill gates or other dip shit geeks with world domination pipe dreams 
> peering into your window all the time.
> 
> Just my take as a world travelling, 7 language speaking, award winning, don't 
> give a shit about the politics and gives his time and resources to advance 
> accessibility guy.
> 
> Have a great weekend,
> 
> Yuma 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2020, at 2:46 pm, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Facebook escalates feud with Apple over iOS privacy changes
>> The social network says changes in Apple's mobile software will hurt small
>> businesses.
>> Dec. 16, 2020
>> By Angela Lang, cNet.
>> 
>> Facebook is again criticizing upcoming privacy changes to Apple's iOS that
>> could uproot ad-tracking features used by apps. The social network on
>> Wednesday ran full-page newspaper ads saying the feature in iOS 14, expected
>> to be released early next year, will hurt small businesses. The company also
>> expanded on its position in a blog post, saying that Apple's new policy is
>> "more about profit than privacy." 
>> 
>> Apple announced several new privacy updates for iOS at its Worldwide
>> Developers Conference earlier this year, including a feature called App
>> Tracking Transparency that would require people to opt in to apps collecting
>> their data rather than needing them to opt out. The update threatens to
>> uproot several ad-tracking features in apps, including Facebook. In
>> September, Apple decided to delay the feature's rollout to 2021 so
>> developers could have more time to make necessary changes. 
>> 
>> Facebook's criticism of Apple is the latest in an ongoing public fight
>> between two of the world's largest tech companies. The social network, which
>> has also been under fire for failing to safeguard user privacy, views
>> Apple's changes as an attack on personalized advertising. Facebook makes
>> most of its money from ads, which allows it to avoid charging people a
>> subscription fee to use the social network.
>> 
>> Facebook has previously said the iOS update would mean less profit for
>> advertisers because of less effective tracking. In the ads on Wednesday,
>> Facebook says: "While limiting how personalized ads can be used does impact
>> larger companies like us, these changes will be devastating to small
>> businesses."
>> 
>> Apple has defended the tracking changes, saying they give users more
>> control. In a public letter last month, Jane Horvath, the company's privacy
>> chief, called out Facebook for its data collection practices and said Apple
>> remains "fully committed" to its app tracking transparency feature and other
>> privacy protections.
>> "Facebook executives have made clear their intent is to collect as much data
>> as possible across both first and third party products to develop and
>> monetize detailed profiles of their users, and this disregard for user
>> privacy continues to expand to include more of their products," Horvath
>> wrote. 
>> 
>> Dan Levy, who oversees ads and business products, said in a press call on
>> Wednesday that Apple was "behaving anti-competitively by using their control
>> of the App Store to benefit their bottom line at the expense of creators and
>> small businesses." If services turn away from ads and start charging a
>> subscription fee or in-app payments, Apple benefits because the company
>> makes money from fe

Re: Follow-up on the Mantis

2020-10-07 Thread Mary Otten
The 20 cell version has braille input rather than typing. A dealbreaker for me.


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> On Oct 7, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> THey should have a 20 cell version.
> /A
> 
>> 7 okt. 2020 kl. 20:32 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> It's really nice having a qwerty keyboard with a braille display. If that's 
>> of interest, and you don't care about limitations in the Editor, it'd be 
>> worth checking into.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
 On Oct 7, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> It might be something for me then.
>>> Depends on the cost of the device.
>>> We don’t have it here in Sweden but it might be possible to buy from 
>>> Humanware and then get it delivered to Sweden.
>>> Thanks anyway for reporting your issue.
>>> /A
>>> 
 7 okt. 2020 kl. 15:46 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 :
 
 Hi all,
 
 Since we’ve had some discussions about braille displays, I thought I’d 
 share the outcome of my time with the Mantis.
 
 I’ve had my Mantis for a couple of days now, and unfortunately, it looks 
 like I’ll be returning it. I wanted to share why with the list, because I 
 thought that the issue I have may also be an issue for some of you.
 
 First let me say that it’s a really nice device. It’s light-weight, the 
 keyboard is very comfortable to type on, and the way the device functions 
 is very well thought-out. It is very easy to pair with an i-device - I’m 
 actually typing on it as I write this message. So, if my issue isn’t an 
 issue for you, I recommend it.
 
 Unfortunately, the Mantis has what for me is a fatal flaw. Humanware 
 implemented a feature in the Mantis that they implement in their other 
 notetakers, namely that there is a separate reader for BRF files, and a 
 separate word-processor where you can actually edit text. I’ve always 
 thought this was dumb, but I figured I’d just ignore the reader and use 
 the editor. But when I got my Mantis, I was saddened to learn that there’s 
 a limit to the file size in the Editor, so it is not possible to open 
 books there. Since I often read and edit simultaneously, this is a deal 
 breaker for me. I have no idea whether there are plans to address this in 
 a future update, but I personally don't want to buy a device in the hope 
 that a feature I need will be implemented some day.
 
 Again, this is a nice device, so if you don’t care about this limitation, 
 by all means consider it. But I thought I’d save those of you who do care 
 about it the trouble of ordering and then having to return the device.
 Cheers,
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Re: Older iOS Devices Disenfranchised by VO in iOS 14

2020-09-28 Thread Mary Otten
I had high hopes for this feature, and so when I got it on my iPhone 10 R, I 
activated it for an app that used to be lovely and accessible and turn totally 
useless with lots of things that just said button with no labor. And voiceover 
didn’t do anything. The app is in Russian, but I have a Russian voice on my 
phone, and it reads text just fine. So, it didn’t work well at all. That’s the 
only one I have that has major accessibility issues. And it was a bust. I’ve 
certainly seen others that weren’t accessible, but I just deleted them.
I kind of wonder for the longer-term prospect, whether or not they are going to 
be able to make some of the stuff on their game service accessible. I’m not a 
gamer much, but I know plenty of blind people who are and who would do it more 
if there were more accessible games. Plus it would make more money for Apple, 
which is their goal of course.

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> Well, to be fair I have found screen recognition to be especially helpful in 
> one specific app, the GlocalMe app, which was only partially accessible 
> beforehand, though really only to the extent of making a single element 
> containing multiple elements accessible so that they can now be independently 
> accessed without having to turn off VO and guess where you think the elements 
> are to tap before restarting VO to discover if it worked or not, a stupidly 
> frustrating process made necessary in the first place by a pointless update 
> to the UI that broke what was a mediocre but usable app, but which was not 
> actually impossible to workaround, just annoying. But, you’re right that it’s 
> really, really shaky, and the real trick lies in having recognition only when 
> you absolutely need it, and turning it off the rest of the time, which 
> happily is easy to do in the rotor. Of course, anywhere my GlocalMe goes, 
> I'll have my iPhone, so this example is moot. I'll be interested to see if 
> any other apps benefit--games with text-based content, for example. The cynic 
> in me thinks that these features mostly serve as an excuse for Apple not to 
> use its curation powers in the App Store to offer proper accessibility 
> ratings and testing, which is of course the real fix.
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Re: Older iOS Devices Disenfranchised by VO in iOS 14

2020-09-27 Thread Mary Otten
Are you probably don’t have the back tap on your iPod touch. I know I don’t 
have it on my iPhone 7 Plus. As for the neat new recognition features, I think 
they’re more of a pain than a neat thing. I’ve turned them off. I haven’t found 
anything useful about them. All they do is add extra verbiage where I don’t 
want it, and when I do want it, or something really is an accessible, crickets. 
I think it’s definitely a work in progress that should’ve been held out until 
next time.


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> upgraded my iPod Touch 5th gen, which is just over a year old, to iOS 14.0.1 
> release. I now see that, as reported, this device loses out on the neat new 
> VO recognition features (but not, curiously, the sound recognition tech for 
> the hearing-impaired).
> 
> What else have older devices lost, compared to newer ones, in VO? I cannot 
> pretend to be pleased about this, but at least my iPhone 11 Pro Max is fine.
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Re: IOS 14 and Swiping Around Screen

2020-09-21 Thread Mary Otten
You’ve never had a bug in  android? That’s really hard to believe, since it’s 
an operating system, and I happen to see from time to time bugs reported in the 
main stream press, just like they are with Apple. So I find it hard to believe 
that you’ve never seen a bug in android or Samsung for that matter. Those get 
reported to. Remember the exploding phones? Oh that was hardware. Still, bugs 
exist

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> Glad that  I  Decided  Not to UpDate to Apple's iOS14, & I  have Never 
> encountered  any Bugs  or Flaws in the Software either Samsung's 1UI or 
> Google'sAndroid
> At 09:36 AM 9/21/2020, you wrote:
>> Hello Jeff,
>> 
>> Well, I installed iPad OS 14 last week and, last night, finally ran into the 
>> VoiceOver focus bug, as you described it.
>> 
>> Wow!  What a mess.  It happened when I open the OverDrive app.  Wow!  What a 
>> mess!!!
>> 
>> So far, I have not found any kind of workaround for this problem.  The focus 
>> problem does not rear its ugly head on all of the screens but on, of course, 
>> the most crucial ones in the app.
>> 
>> I am so glad I did not put iOS14 on my beloved 8 Plus.  Had I done so, I 
>> would be going crazy and, no doubt, doing my best to downgrade back to 13.7.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 3:52 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: IOS 14 and Swiping Around Screen
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I updated to IOS 14 earlier today and I’m finding that, when trying to 
>> swipe right around the screen, the Voiceover curser jumps around and goes 
>> back to the top of the screen.
>> 
>> Is anybody else experiencing this and, if so, do you have a work-around?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
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Re: strange email behavior on my iPad

2020-09-20 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Donna,
I have no clue about your iPad, but me.com these days it’s just aliased to 
iCloud.com. So why not just go for iCloud.com, since it’s the same thing? I 
mean it goes the same place


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> Hi all,
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> As of today, when I try to email the list, the message seems to be being sent 
> via my iCloud.com address, rather than my me.com address. This despite the 
> fact that my me.com addie is the one displayed in the from Tab. I literally 
> couldn't get my last message to send from my iPad, i had to get on my Mac to 
> send it. Does anyone know how I might fix this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread Mary Otten
There is some kind of feature in iOS 14 which will speed up having the “use 
passcode“, if you’re on a phone that has only Face ID. So there is not going to 
be touch ID on the iPhone 12 I am extremely sure. They put this new feature in 
14 to try to help with the mask situation.


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> Well I hope the 12 has a Touch ID as I can’t use Face ID when I have to use 
> a mask.  I bet Apple will put it on there and there excuse will be due to 
> wearing masks.
> 
> Kawal.
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>> On 18 Sep 2020, at 19:11, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi Anders,
>> 
>> I am not noticing any keyboard sluggishness.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
 On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Anders holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark! Hope you are doing well. It would be so nice to have a zoom 
>>> meeting depending on what time morning is in Swedish time. One thing I am 
>>> curious about is if you guys feel that the keyboard is more sluggish with 
>>> Siri voices? Not much but a bit sluggish. With the Swedish one the keyboard 
>>> is quite sluggish so I have to use the nuance voice is a lot which I really 
>>> don't like as they are having some kind of glitch when it speaks. There is 
>>> a small crack sometimes when it starts talking. Otherwise I don't have any 
>>> problems with The new update. Maybe the screen recognition but that's been 
>>> there since the data came out.
>>> 
 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:02 skrev M. Taylor :
 
 Hello Family,
 
 1.
 I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
 
 Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
 However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
 scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
 crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
 all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
 forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
 setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing 
 so
 did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
 
 2.
 I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
 descriptions were set to off, by default.
 
 3.
 My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
 market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
 installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
 phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after 
 hearing
 from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
 slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
 planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
 ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
 iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
 for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back 
 on
 a later model.
 
 4.
 Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
 sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
 similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
 implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
 off.  Just have to wait and see.
 
 5.
 I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
 talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
 If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
 
 I hope you are all doing well.
 
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Re: Focus 40 Braille display

2020-08-05 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Donna,
Good luck with the cube rail. I had one as a demo right after it came out, and 
the software was bad. It really didn’t work with voiceover, which was a massive 
problem for me. I understand it is much better now. It’s still just seems kind 
of clunky, the way you interact with it in terms of changing between the 
various modes. But that could’ve just been me. You might love it. I just would 
really prefer qwerty input. I rather like the feel of humanware displays, not 
the 14, but the older ones. So maybe the mantis will be good. They just came 
out with some firmware that fixed some of the bugs. But I’m sure there are 
more. It’s a new device.



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> Ah, got it. Thanks for the clarification.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:38 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi Donna.
>> 
>> I never said it was difficult to pair  the  display on a Mac, I’m just 
>> saying that the commands are very difficult to use i.e. they’re not as 
>> simple as iOS. That is how I see it at the moment.
>> 
 On 5 Aug 2020, at 8:08 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> 
>>> Thanks, Kawal. Glad to hear that the scratchpad issue was resolved. 
>>> 
>>> Do others have the same difficulty pairing your Focus with your Mac? That 
>>> would be a deal breaker for me.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
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 Hi Donna.
 
 Focus works just fine on the Scratch Pad now.  There was a recent update.
 
 I still can’t use Braille on the Mac and have tried.  Works great on the I 
 Phone.
 
 Kawal.
 
>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 19:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> My VU is having what I suspect is a hardware issue, so in preparation for 
> the day when it gives up the ghost, I'm again researching braille 
> displays.
> 
> Though I'm not enthusiastic about it, it seems like the best second 
> choice--given that I lack the $$ for an ActiveBraille--is going to be the 
> Focus 40. Two questions:
> 1. Does it pair easily and work well with Mac and IOS?
> 2. I remember someone mentioning a crazy limitation of the scratch pad, 
> something ridiculous like not being able to save files. What are the 
> limitations of Scratchpad that people have found? I don't do a lot of 
> writing on the display these days, mostly I write on my phone or my iPad 
> but I would like the Word processor to be functional for those times when 
> I do need to jot something down.
> TIA,
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Re: Mantis Q40?

2020-08-05 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Donna,
I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing list 
dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a braille 
keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the APH 
mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on that is 
also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I have 
heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think it’s even 
out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them said this 
thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.

Mary


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> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
> TIA,
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Mary Otten
OK, Devon, I’m sorry. I just went to your link. And I see that it is an Apple 
site. That wasn’t clear to me from your first posting, which when I read it, 
made me think it was coming from somebody on Twitter. Anyway, thanks for the 
post.


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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> See this page: iOS features
> 
> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
> another secret.” Or something.
> Devin Prater
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>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s 
>> not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
>> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
>> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, 
>> and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding 
>> voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus 
>> bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
>> Mary
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Devon,
So what is the source of this stuff, I mean where did this guy get it? Was it 
from the presentation? That’s all I wanted to know, since it’s not an Apple 
site. Thanks.
Mary


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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 7:20 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
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> Okay, fine. I’ll copy and paste from the accessibility section of the page I 
> linked to:
> 
> Accessibility
> 
> VoiceOver Recognition
> On-device intelligence recognizes key elements displayed on your screen to 
> add VoiceOver support for app and web experiences that don’t have 
> accessibility support built in.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Image descriptions
> VoiceOver reads complete-sentence descriptions of images and photos within 
> apps and on the web.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Text recognition
> VoiceOver speaks the text it identifies within images and photos.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Screen recognition
> VoiceOver automatically detects interface controls to aid in navigating your 
> apps, making them more accessible.
> Headphone Accommodations
> This new accessibility feature is designed to amplify soft sounds and adjust 
> certain frequencies for an individual’s hearing, to help music, movies, phone 
> calls, and podcasts sound more crisp and clear.10 Headphone Accommodations 
> also supports Transparency mode on AirPods Pro, making quiet voices more 
> audible and tuning the sounds of your environment to your hearing needs.
> 
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>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Devon, quite honestly, if this isn’t coming from Apple, it’s not worth 
>> very much. So, before I go messing around with the recommended sites, is 
>> this from actual slides in the presentation? Or is this just wishful 
>> thinking from someone in which case, it’s not worth very much.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
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>>>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> See this page: iOS features
>>> 
>>> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
>>> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
>>> another secret.” Or something.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com
>>> Https://devinprater.github.io
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>>>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. 
>>>> That’s not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they 
>>>> don’t announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the 
>>>> tech articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted 
>>>> person, and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event 
>>>> regarding voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. 
>>>> Fix the focus bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new 
>>>> problem.
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Devon, quite honestly, if this isn’t coming from Apple, it’s not worth very 
much. So, before I go messing around with the recommended sites, is this from 
actual slides in the presentation? Or is this just wishful thinking from 
someone in which case, it’s not worth very much.
Mary


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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> See this page: iOS features
> 
> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
> another secret.” Or something.
> Devin Prater
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> Https://devinprater.github.io
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>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s 
>> not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
>> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
>> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, 
>> and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding 
>> voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus 
>> bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
>> Mary
>> 
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New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Mary Otten
In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t announce. 
I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech articles I have 
read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and if anyone knows 
of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover accessibility. I 
can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and email would be my 
number one, and that’s not a new problem.
Mary

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Re: How do I use the new COVID-19 tracking feature in IOS 13.5?

2020-05-21 Thread Mary Otten
This is just an API that Apple and Google have built. In order to use it, you 
need an app. To the best of my knowledge, only three states have said they are 
participating in this program at this time, many have not said, and some have 
said no. It will be up to the health authority of each state to build their own 
app. Google and Apple should have built the app in my view. This is going to be 
slow, incomplete, and probably not very well done, e.g. look at what’s 
happening in the united kingdom where their app has been delayed. The three 
states that have said yes our Alabama, North Dakota, and I believe North 
Carolina. States that I’ve said no include Maryland, Pennsylvania, California, 
Texas, and others.


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> my understanding is that it works through bluetooth. so I'm guessing you 
> would have to log if you have COVID-19 into an app and your phone will notify 
> you if you have been exposed. there aren't any apps yet.
> 
> sent from the iPhone 11 Pro
> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 11:49 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> Nice article, Tim. Thanks for sharing.
>> 
>> I guess I'm with you. I hope more information is forthcoming. the fact that 
>> this is a shared effort between Apple and Google is, to my thinking, part of 
>> what makes it cool, and gives it such potential. It would be a shame for 
>> that potential to be wasted, either because the supporting apps don't exist, 
>> or because users aren't given information about what apps they need to 
>> install.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 10:12 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that various health or government agencies who have 
>>> developed apps for tracking would request this data.  It kind of depends on 
>>> your local/regional government.  I agree in that it is not well explained.  
>>> Take note though, that this is not only an Apple initiative.  It’s 
>>> developed by both Apple and Google for implementation on both platforms.  
>>> I’m hoping that someone like Mac Rumours or some other Internet big-wig 
>>> puts out a better explanation of the process to the masses.
>>> 
>>> In further reading, many of the apps that will work with this technology 
>>> have yet to be developed or released.  Here’s a bit of an explanation from 
>>> a Canadian prospective.
>>> 
>>> https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/apple-google-covid-app-1.5577166
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 8:48 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Learn More dialog doesn't really tell you much. It just talks about how 
>>> exposure notification works. It doesn't say anything about what specific 
>>> apps you need to install to use the feature. Under the Active App choice: I 
>>> see no apps installed. So clearly Apple's COVID app is not an option. this 
>>> is really a bust.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 21, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 If you go in to Settings, Privacy, you can see the COVID-19 setting. When 
 inside this setting there is a Learn More button. It seems that there are 
 certain apps that you can allow access of the COVID-19 tracking system 
 too. It’s not available in my region, so I’m not totally familiar with the 
 details of how it works.
 
 Later…
 
 
 
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> On May 21, 2020, at 8:21 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I just installed IOS 13.5 so I could use the COVID-19 tracking feature. 
> Problem is, when I go into settings and enable COVID tracking, it tells 
> me that it can't be enabled because I don't have a necessary app 
> installed. So, I went to the app store and downloaded the Apple COVID-19 
> app. I installed it, and answered the questions, but I'm still getting 
> the message that COVID tracking in settings cannot be enabled. Does 
> anyone know what I need to do to utilize this feature? This is really a 
> big miss by Apple. If they expect people to use this, they needed to let 
> us know what we need to do.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Picker Items

2020-05-09 Thread Mary Otten
In theory, you double tap on the picker, then you flick up or down, or I have 
even occasionally seen them from left to right, to pick the item you want. The 
problem which has become more so with iOS 13 is that sometimes when you double 
tap on the picker, the list doesn’t pop up. I have no idea why.


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Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

2020-04-15 Thread Mary Otten
I don’t know anything about zoom for the Mac, but cant you mute voiceover 
speech? It’s easy enough to do on the phone, and I thought there was a way to 
do it on the Mac as well. Then if you need to navigate around, just unmute the 
speech. I know it’s a workaround, but it should work, just like it works when 
you do that with close captions that are being read out or other things that 
you don’t want.


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> Subject line sums it up, ... I can't follow what the speaker is saying 
> because voice over tries to read what is being posted.  And if I leave the 
> window it is even worse since whatever it is reading out the chat feed is 
> very loud and can't be interrupted.  (Not that hitting control while in the 
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> I am on an iMac.
> Any help much appreciated,
> Thank YOU!
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Re: Mesh Wifi Routers

2020-04-09 Thread Mary Otten
We also have the Orbi and are happy with it. I think it is the RBK 50, but I’m 
not totally sure so I would have to get some checking on that. The app is 
reasonably accessible. There’s part of it that isn’t, some sort of map that 
shows where your points are and how to optimize them. But it is accessible in 
that you can do what you need to do.


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> We hav the Orby and are very happy with it.
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>>    I'm considering going mesh and was looking at some Netgear models. 
>> Anyone using one of these?
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Re: Possible bug with iOS 13.4?

2020-03-27 Thread Mary Otten
The bug is back. It was reported and not fixed.

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> donk each time I do it, I can still do the two finger swipe down to read from 
> the current location. I used to be able to read all with the two finger swipe 
> up, has anyone else noticed this?I turned the phone off and back on and 
> closed the mail app in the app switcher but it’s still the same. 
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Audio description on CBS all access using iPhone or Apple TV

2020-02-22 Thread Mary Otten
Has anyone had success finding how to access audio description in the CBS all 
axis app on either your iPhone or your Apple TV? I am interested in the new 
Star Trek Picard series, and I understand it’s supposedly has audio 
description. A friend of mine, who watches this series with sided friends, says 
that those folks tried to access audible description, but were not successful. 
I don’t know exactly what they did, hence my question. How do you get audio 
description on CBS all axis with an iPhone or an Apple TV?

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Re: ios how to delete Audible books from iCloud?

2020-01-14 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Paul,
That is not actually iCloud where you’re seeing those books. If you set the 
audible app to cloud rather than device, you are seeing every single book that 
you ever bought that is still in your audible library. Alas, I don’t know of 
any way to get rid of this stuff, and there really should be. Even things you 
return, or exchange as they now call it, those old books that you no longer 
have, they are still in your audible library. It’s very disgusting. Maybe try 
to call audible and see what they can do, but I haven’t had any luck in that 
respect.

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> Hello, 
> I am using the Audible App on the latest level of IOS 13. If I go to Library 
> I can choose to see Audible books on my device or on iCloud. I can delete 
> Audible books which I have finished reading from my device so that I only see 
> currently active books. As I have been using Audible for several years 
> choosing iCloud shows me a rather long list of books most of which I have 
> finished reading and am unlikely to read again.
> So I would like to delete all these finished books from iCloud but cannot 
> figure out how to do this.
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Re: Weather app

2020-01-13 Thread Mary Otten
Thanks for reminding me about whether office. I had that app on android. It was 
a good straightforward app there, and it seems to bethe same on iOS. I just 
downloaded it. It looks like it doesn’t do notifications, so I guess an app 
like whether Gods would fill in that gap.
Mary


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> Weather office is free and very nice and basic and accurate also.  It has 
> never gone wrong on me yet.  Couldn’t ask for better if basic weather is what 
> you’re after.
> 
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
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> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
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>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:02 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>> I use an app called Weather Office.  It is straight forward, with no cute 
>> stuff or jokes and it is VoiceOver accessible.  You can find it on the 
>> AppStore.  I can’t remember if I had to pay for it, but if I did, it wasn’t 
>> much and it was worth it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 22:38, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> I have become increasingly dissatisfied with the weather app that comes with 
>> the iPhone. It seems like I almost never get a temperature reading. It’s 
>> usually blank. I also have the dark sky. Are used to really love that app, 
>> as it provided accurate information and precipitation etc. But these days, 
>> it’s all over the place. Predicted temperatures are crazy. Like when it 
>> predicted that it was going to fall to 20° here in Eugene. Not that that 
>> can’t happen, but nobody else was predicting that, and it didn’t get 
>> anywhere close I wonder what apps people are using, which give them accurate 
>> local information, not just based on some big general area. Dark sky claims 
>> to do that, or at least it used to. I don’t care about funny jokes, such as 
>> are apparently a feature of a program called Weather karat or carat whether 
>> something. I just want accurate weather that is relevant to my part of town.
>> Mary
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Weather app

2020-01-12 Thread Mary Otten
I have become increasingly dissatisfied with the weather app that comes with 
the iPhone. It seems like I almost never get a temperature reading. It’s 
usually blank. I also have the dark sky. Are used to really love that app, as 
it provided accurate information and precipitation etc. But these days, it’s 
all over the place. Predicted temperatures are crazy. Like when it predicted 
that it was going to fall to 20° here in Eugene. Not that that can’t happen, 
but nobody else was predicting that, and it didn’t get anywhere close I wonder 
what apps people are using, which give them accurate local information, not 
just based on some big general area. Dark sky claims to do that, or at least it 
used to. I don’t care about funny jokes, such as are apparently a feature of a 
program called Weather karat or carat whether something. I just want accurate 
weather that is relevant to my part of town.
Mary


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Documents 7 review: Free iOS file manager puts Apple’s Files app to shame

2020-01-02 Thread Mary Otten
I wonder if this is accessible.

Documents 7 review: Free iOS file manager puts Apple’s Files app to shame
Macworld  /  J.R. Bookwalter

Documents 7 is a free iOS app for reading PDF, EPUB, Word, and Excel documents, 
opening ZIP archives, viewing images, downloading and much more.


At a Glance
Documents 7

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It took Apple nearly a decade to bring proper file management to the iPhone and 
iPad with the arrival of the Files app in iOS 11. Over the same period of time, 
an enterprising third-party developer based in Odessa, Ukraine was busy 
refining its own file manager app, which outshines Apple’s in almost every 
conceivable way.

Documents 7 is the latest incarnation of the versatile iOS utility that started 
as clever web app ReaddleDocs, named for the up-and-coming startup who created 
it. The mobile equivalent of macOS Finder, this jack-of-all-trades allows 
iPhone and iPad owners to browse, view, and manage files with ease, all from an 
intuitive user interface that puts Apple’s own Files to shame.


Documents 7 brings the Plus button to iPhone, making it easier for users to 
create and import files from almost anywhere.

Although there was little to dislike about the look and feel of prior releases, 
Documents 7 adds a fresh coat of paint inspired by the company’s recent PDF 
Expert 7, a robust tool for document editing and annotation. The result is a 
refined UI that makes viewing and organizing files a more organic experience, 
with support for iOS 13’s new Dark Mode and floating keyboard. iPad users can 
also now open more than one Documents window at a time, great for side-by-side 
comparison or to drag and drop content between them.

Making its way from iPad to iPhone is the Plus button, a convenient one-tap 
popup in the lower right corner which speeds up creation of new folders, text 
and PDF files, scanning new documents, or importing existing files from iCloud 
Drive, Photos, cloud storage providers, or network-attached sources. Naturally, 
there’s also integration with the built-in Files app for seamlessly accessing 
content stored there, as well as opening files saved in existing Locations 
within Documents 7.

PDF master

>From the beginning, Documents 7 included a built-in web browser, which now 
>offers private browsing mode. On the iPhone, browser settings are conveniently 
>located from any open tab—no more hopping back to in-app settings just to 
>clear data or change the location of file downloads. There’s even a new option 
>to choose DuckDuckGo, Yandex, Ecosia, or Yahoo as the default search engine 
>instead of Google. (Yay, privacy!)


Whether it’s cloud storage, network-attached devices, or remote servers, 
Documents 7 makes file management a snap.

While Documents has always been a very capable PDF reader, version 7.0 
introduces an option to turn the app into a full-fledged editor as well. After 
upgrading to an annual subscription ($50 per year), Documents 7 unlocks a full 
complement of professional tools, allowing users to edit, convert, and reduce 
the size of PDF files.

If you already own PDF Expert 6, those editing features are available free of 
charge in Documents 7. Unfortunately, three advanced tools recently added to 
PDF Expert 7 do not get shared, so the only way to customize the Favorites 
toolbar or convert and compress PDF files is to pay for another annual 
subscription. That stinks, but Readdle offers a discounted upgrade to PDF 
Expert owners ($10 for the first year). For the moment, this is the only in-app 
purchase offered—everything else is absolutely free.


Documents 7 can effortlessly transfer files between iOS devices and personal 
computers using any web browser.

Bottom line

For those underwhelmed by the built-in Files app, do yourself a favor and 
install Documents 7, the free file manager worthy of being installed on every 
iOS device.

At a Glance
Documents 7

Learn more
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Documents 7 is a free iOS app for reading PDF, EPUB, Word, and Excel documents, 
opening ZIP archives, viewing images, downloading and listening to music, 
watching videos, and much more.

Pros

More complete file manager than Files app
One-tap Plus button now available on iPhone
Files app integration
Cons

Can’t share advanced PDF Expert 7 subscription-only features
Connections don’t sync between devices
No support for reading CBR/CBZ format comic book files


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Re: Amazon fire tablets Accessibility with Voice view screen reader

2019-12-07 Thread Mary Otten
I have had a couple of those tablets, and I have sworn off of them. The 
speakers are lousy. The screen lags something crazy. They have very little 
storage space, which means you need to buy cards, and then if you’re unlucky 
like I was, the card reader will die, and you need to buy a new device. Been 
there done that, no more.


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> From the small amount of experience I’ve had with one, they’re pretty 
> decent, but at times can be very laggy.  Also, something interesting I’ve run 
> into with their version of the amazon app, as opposed to the amazon app on my 
> iPhone, voice view reads all buttons as “button” instead of them being read 
> correctly, and the layout can be a little confusing.
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:45 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anybody use the Voice view screen reader on the Amazon fire tablets? 
>> How's the accessibility? I might want to get one just for watching prime 
>> video and maybe reading kindle books. They're a lot cheaper than iPads.
>> 
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Re: Problems with Siri playing music seem to be getting worse.

2019-12-01 Thread Mary Otten
Well, I have a stereo pair. So when it asks me which one I want to restart, or 
remove, it’s going to be both of them. It will be interesting to see if that 
shows up. I have really been avoiding restarting anything since all the iOS 13 
problems came out. But I suppose that really is fixed now. I would hate like 
heck to break my HomePods. Just call me paranoid. Did you do the restart? It 
sounds like you did. Did it help?
Mary


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> On Dec 1, 2019, at 3:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Mary,
> 
> To restart your HomePod,
> 1. Open the Home app.
> 2. Select the HomePod you want to restart.
> 3. Flick up and select Open Controls.
> 4. Once controls are open, at the very bottom of the screen, you'll see 
> Remove Device.  Tap that.
> 
> I did unplug mine, let it sit for a few minutes, and then plugged it back in. 
> It then came up and restarted as a new HomePod.  If you can't unplug it, you 
> could try just holding down the power/play button, and seeing if that works.
> 
> There may be another way to do this, but that's what I did.  Hope it helps.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2019, at 5:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I just tried it again, with the same result. So here is a stupid question. 
>> How do I get the HomePod to restart? Tim made that recommendation, and short 
>> of unplugging them both, which is not going to be easy to do given the 
>> location of the power strip where they are plugged in, is there any other 
>> way to restart them?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Dec 1, 2019, at 2:12 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is sooo annoying.  Sorry you're having troubles, too, but a little 
>>> relieved that I'm not the only one.  I've been working on converting our 
>>> sound system to something I can control via our HomePod, but I'm really 
>>> starting to wonder if I should just give up and use Alexa like the rest of 
>>> the world.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 1, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> In a word, yes. And it is highly annoying!
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
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>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:41 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yesterday I returned home from my Thanksgiving travels.  Since then, 
>>>>> Every single time I have asked Siri to play an album that is in my 
>>>>> library, I get the response, "I can't find that album either in your 
>>>>> library or on Apple Music.  I have had to resort to airplayaing the album 
>>>>> from my phone.  this is really way beyond ridiculous.  Anyone else 
>>>>> noticing this?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Donna
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Re: Problems with Siri playing music seem to be getting worse.

2019-12-01 Thread Mary Otten
I maybe should have started another thread, but this is HomePod related. I can 
see my HomePods on both phones, the 10r, where they were initially connected so 
to speak, that is where I set them up, and also an older 7+. When I try 
handoff, the only phone that works is the 10 R, even though I can see them on 
both phones, both are under the same Apple ID, etc. Should hand off work on my 
7+? It’s on the same network, indeed it has no Sim card, so if it’s not on 
Wi-Fi, it’s a brick.
Mary

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>  wrote:
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> It is sooo annoying.  Sorry you're having troubles, too, but a little 
> relieved that I'm not the only one.  I've been working on converting our 
> sound system to something I can control via our HomePod, but I'm really 
> starting to wonder if I should just give up and use Alexa like the rest of 
> the world.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> In a word, yes. And it is highly annoying!
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:41 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Yesterday I returned home from my Thanksgiving travels.  Since then, Every 
>>> single time I have asked Siri to play an album that is in my library, I get 
>>> the response, "I can't find that album either in your library or on Apple 
>>> Music.  I have had to resort to airplayaing the album from my phone.  this 
>>> is really way beyond ridiculous.  Anyone else noticing this?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: Problems with Siri playing music seem to be getting worse.

2019-12-01 Thread Mary Otten
I just tried it again, with the same result. So here is a stupid question. How 
do I get the HomePod to restart? Tim made that recommendation, and short of 
unplugging them both, which is not going to be easy to do given the location of 
the power strip where they are plugged in, is there any other way to restart 
them?
Mary


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> On Dec 1, 2019, at 2:12 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> It is sooo annoying.  Sorry you're having troubles, too, but a little 
> relieved that I'm not the only one.  I've been working on converting our 
> sound system to something I can control via our HomePod, but I'm really 
> starting to wonder if I should just give up and use Alexa like the rest of 
> the world.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> In a word, yes. And it is highly annoying!
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:41 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Yesterday I returned home from my Thanksgiving travels.  Since then, Every 
>>> single time I have asked Siri to play an album that is in my library, I get 
>>> the response, "I can't find that album either in your library or on Apple 
>>> Music.  I have had to resort to airplayaing the album from my phone.  this 
>>> is really way beyond ridiculous.  Anyone else noticing this?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: Problems with Siri playing music seem to be getting worse.

2019-12-01 Thread Mary Otten
In a word, yes. And it is highly annoying!
Mary

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> On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:41 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> Yesterday I returned home from my Thanksgiving travels.  Since then, Every 
> single time I have asked Siri to play an album that is in my library, I get 
> the response, "I can't find that album either in your library or on Apple 
> Music.  I have had to resort to airplayaing the album from my phone.  this is 
> really way beyond ridiculous.  Anyone else noticing this?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Siri in the HomePod

2019-11-28 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Simon,
Well my Siri is working for dictation and all that’s for a good thing. Just my 
HomePod has taken a serious vacation. Ironically, I can ask my Amazon devices 
to play stuff on Apple Music and it works fine. They just don’t sound as good 
as the HomePods.


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> On Nov 28, 2019, at 4:02 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Mary,
> 
> Not with the home pod as we don't have them in NZ but my apple watch s4 has 
> been doing the same thing to me over the passed couple of weeks,
> Including not taking dictated messages or actioning requests for things even 
> such as start a workout.
> Odd I think 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, 29 November 2019 12:45 PM
> To: VIPhone via ; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Siri in the HomePod
> 
> I have an absolutely no luck today getting Siri to play anything on my 
> HomePods. I can hand off from my phone, but if I ask her directly on the 
> HomePod to play some album or other that I know is in Apple Music or in my 
> iTunes library, she has said she can’t find it every single time. Seems to be 
> functioning normally in all other respects on my other devices. Has anyone 
> else experienced this problem?
> Mary
> 
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Siri in the HomePod

2019-11-28 Thread Mary Otten
I have an absolutely no luck today getting Siri to play anything on my 
HomePods. I can hand off from my phone, but if I ask her directly on the 
HomePod to play some album or other that I know is in Apple Music or in my 
iTunes library, she has said she can’t find it every single time. Seems to be 
functioning normally in all other respects on my other devices. Has anyone else 
experienced this problem?
Mary


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Re: Moving away from direct TV! Whats the best alternative thats VoiceOver friendly? Apple TV?

2019-11-27 Thread Mary Otten
The prime stuff should be the same. I never used prime on my Apple TV, because 
it really works well on the Amazon side.


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> On Nov 27, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Ok, so just to check another thing,
> 
> How different is the content from the firestick to that which is available 
> through amazon prime the app on the apple tv I have?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Mary Otten
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> Subject: Re: Moving away from direct TV! Whats the best alternative thats 
> VoiceOver friendly? Apple TV?
> 
> Amazon in the States.
> 
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>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 7:10 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Where is this stick on sale for 25 dollars?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Christina
>> Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2019 3:16 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Moving away from direct TV! Whats the best alternative thats 
>> VoiceOver friendly? Apple TV?
>> 
>> This isn’t an Apple product, but definitely check out the Amazon 4k Fire TV 
>> stick. It’s on sale, accessible, has an excellent remote with buttons 
>> instead of a touch screen, has excellent voice control compared to Siri, and 
>> the best part is that it’s on sale  right now for $24.99. The Apple TV in 
>> some ways might be considered slightly more accessible, but I have no usable 
>> vision, and I personally find the fire TV stick easier to use, and it’s not 
>> over $150. The Fire TV stick is normally $49.99, but at $24.99 it’s 
>> practically a steel. ☺️ I’m sure if you didn’t like it, you could return it 
>> within the apropriate time period. And to bring this email back to Apple 
>> products, The Apple TV app is available for the Fire TV stick, so you can 
>> play iTunes movies that you own and watch Apple TV plus. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Nov 13, 2019, at 9:07 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi List,
>>> Subject says it all.
>>> Looking for an alternative to direct TV and the other cable alternatives.
>>> Is an Appel Smart TV the best option for VoiceOver?
>>> Thanks
>>> Chuck
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Re: Moving away from direct TV! Whats the best alternative thats VoiceOver friendly? Apple TV?

2019-11-27 Thread Mary Otten
Certainly to Amazon. I’m not sure if it’s them or if it is the companies 
concerned. Since Netflix in particular used not to have this problem, I’m 
thinking it’s on Amazon. But I really don’t know. I know lots of people have 
told Amazon they don’t like it, to no avail.


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> Mary,
> 
> Have you fed this back to the companys concerned 
> 
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> Behalf Of Mary Otten
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Moving away from direct TV! Whats the best alternative thats 
> VoiceOver friendly? Apple TV?
> 
> My only problem with the fire stick is the screen reader. Apps like Hulu and 
> Netflix for example, don’t honor the screen reader settings that you have 
> set. If you speed it up your speech, when you go into apps like that, it 
> slows down to a crawl. It’s very very annoying. It’s a good product. But 
> whoever thought it was a good idea to introduce these apps that don’t honor 
> your settings should be fired.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Christina  wrote:
>> 
>> This isn’t an Apple product, but definitely check out the Amazon 4k Fire TV 
>> stick. It’s on sale, accessible, has an excellent remote with buttons 
>> instead of a touch screen, has excellent voice control compared to Siri, and 
>> the best part is that it’s on sale  right now for $24.99. The Apple TV in 
>> some ways might be considered slightly more accessible, but I have no usable 
>> vision, and I personally find the fire TV stick easier to use, and it’s not 
>> over $150. The Fire TV stick is normally $49.99, but at $24.99 it’s 
>> practically a steel. ☺️ I’m sure if you didn’t like it, you could return it 
>> within the apropriate time period. And to bring this email back to Apple 
>> products, The Apple TV app is available for the Fire TV stick, so you can 
>> play iTunes movies that you own and watch Apple TV plus. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Nov 13, 2019, at 9:07 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi List,
>>> Subject says it all.
>>> Looking for an alternative to direct TV and the other cable alternatives.
>>> Is an Appel Smart TV the best option for VoiceOver?
>>> Thanks
>>> Chuck
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Re: Moving away from direct TV! Whats the best alternative thats VoiceOver friendly? Apple TV?

2019-11-27 Thread Mary Otten
My only problem with the fire stick is the screen reader. Apps like Hulu and 
Netflix for example, don’t honor the screen reader settings that you have set. 
If you speed it up your speech, when you go into apps like that, it slows down 
to a crawl. It’s very very annoying. It’s a good product. But whoever thought 
it was a good idea to introduce these apps that don’t honor your settings 
should be fired.


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> On Nov 27, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Christina  wrote:
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> This isn’t an Apple product, but definitely check out the Amazon 4k Fire TV 
> stick. It’s on sale, accessible, has an excellent remote with buttons instead 
> of a touch screen, has excellent voice control compared to Siri, and the best 
> part is that it’s on sale  right now for $24.99. The Apple TV in some ways 
> might be considered slightly more accessible, but I have no usable vision, 
> and I personally find the fire TV stick easier to use, and it’s not over 
> $150. The Fire TV stick is normally $49.99, but at $24.99 it’s practically a 
> steel. ☺️ I’m sure if you didn’t like it, you could return it within the 
> apropriate time period. And to bring this email back to Apple products, The 
> Apple TV app is available for the Fire TV stick, so you can play iTunes 
> movies that you own and watch Apple TV plus. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 13, 2019, at 9:07 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> Subject says it all.
>> Looking for an alternative to direct TV and the other cable alternatives.
>> Is an Appel Smart TV the best option for VoiceOver?
>> Thanks
>> Chuck
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Re: Moving away from direct TV! Whats the best alternative thats VoiceOver friendly? Apple TV?

2019-11-27 Thread Mary Otten
Amazon in the States.

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> On Nov 27, 2019, at 7:10 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Where is this stick on sale for 25 dollars?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Christina
> Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2019 3:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Moving away from direct TV! Whats the best alternative thats 
> VoiceOver friendly? Apple TV?
> 
> This isn’t an Apple product, but definitely check out the Amazon 4k Fire TV 
> stick. It’s on sale, accessible, has an excellent remote with buttons instead 
> of a touch screen, has excellent voice control compared to Siri, and the best 
> part is that it’s on sale  right now for $24.99. The Apple TV in some ways 
> might be considered slightly more accessible, but I have no usable vision, 
> and I personally find the fire TV stick easier to use, and it’s not over 
> $150. The Fire TV stick is normally $49.99, but at $24.99 it’s practically a 
> steel. ☺️ I’m sure if you didn’t like it, you could return it within the 
> apropriate time period. And to bring this email back to Apple products, The 
> Apple TV app is available for the Fire TV stick, so you can play iTunes 
> movies that you own and watch Apple TV plus. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2019, at 9:07 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> Subject says it all.
>> Looking for an alternative to direct TV and the other cable alternatives.
>> Is an Appel Smart TV the best option for VoiceOver?
>> Thanks
>> Chuck
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Re: Siri weirdness on HomePod

2019-11-25 Thread Mary Otten
Wow! I’ve never seen that. I know that when a song is playing, you can tell 
Siri you don’t like it. And she says “got it“. But then I don’t know what would 
happen if you requested that very same song, even though it’s a different 
version. Really strange.


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> Hi all,
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> Since about last Friday, I am finding that when I ask Siri to play a certain 
> album from my library, she instead plays a live version of the album from 
> Apple Music.  So, I specify, "Play album X from my library." She does that, 
> but every track is repeated twice.  I have checked in my library, and the 
> tracks are not duplicated there. Does anyone know if there's a way to fix 
> this?  First, is there any way to stop the duplicate track playing, and 
> second, is there any way to tell Siri "Don't ever play this album--the one on 
> Apple Music-- again?"  This is so annoying that I'm about to chuck Apple 
> music!
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Netgear Orby setup accessible?

2019-11-03 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Donna,
We have the system. We’ve had it for over a year, and to be honest, I don’t 
recall if it was totally accessible to set up. I know it’s accessible to 
maintain. There are parts of it that are not accessible, such as the map. So I 
think the partwhere you are supposed to look at it to tell the optimal location 
of the various beacons would not be fully accessible. But you can always check 
your speed, and Collett good.


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> Hey all,
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> Just wondering if anyone has this mesh system, and if so, how accessible is 
> setup.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Navigating emails via headings on the iPhone

2019-11-03 Thread Mary Otten
I don’t know if it’s considered a bug by Apple, but I think it is. So I will 
join you in writing them.


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> Hi all, 
> I’m thinking of writing to Apple accessibility but thought I’d ask here 
> first, as I’m not sure if it is a bug or if it is intentional. If I try to 
> navigate an email in the native email app on the iPhone it doesn’t behave the 
> way I would expect. For example the Apple VIS  newsletter that I got last 
> week is set out with headings and I will choose headings from the rotor and 
> then swipe down heading bye heading until I find something I might be 
> interested in, then I will swipe across to the right to read the first line. 
> If I’m not interested I’d expect to be able to swipe down again to the next 
> heading. But I have to choose headings in the rotor again because the rotor 
> had been changed to actions as soon as I swiped right to read the first line 
> of that heading.  It would be nice if the rotor would stay on the function I 
> chose. 
> 
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

2019-10-31 Thread Mary Otten
To be honest, no. I have not restarted the HomePod. There was that problem with 
HomePods be bricked. And even though supposedly the problem solved, just call 
me paranoid. It’s inconsistent. Sometimes it works and sometimes not. Somehow I 
wonder if maybe Siri is just being slammed or something. Maybe everybody’s 
trying stuff. I don’t know.


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> On Oct 31, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> 
> Crazy question,
>  
> Have you simply restarted the home pod to see if things change?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, 1 November 2019 12:27 PM
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> Subject: Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update
>  
> Yes, you can turn hey Siri off and on. I have also tried holding down on the 
> play button on the HomePod itself, which will activate Siri. It certainly 
> helps with getting her attention, but the results are not wonderful sometimes.
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> I’m guessing one can turn it off and back on again? This works for most 
> other things if it isn’t working the way you want? You probably tried this 
> already? We don’t have the HomePod in New Zealand so I can’t test this. 
> 
> 
> On 1/11/2019, at 11:09, Mary Otten  wrote:
>  
> I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the HomePod. And I 
> finally got it after the first one was withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. 
> Now it seems that at least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey Siri 
> two or three times before I get any results at all. And she comes up with the 
> wildest stupidest things that aren’t even close to what I requested, unless 
> it’s something from Apple Music. It’s crazy.
> 
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Re: iTunes Store and Touch ID

2019-10-31 Thread Mary Otten
I have heard of people having this problem. I have not had it. But I have been 
using either Face ID or touch ID, depending on the phone. Nothing seems to of 
changed with the update to iOS 13.


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> the iTunes Store? After updating to 13.2 I wanted to purchase a couple of 
> albums in the iTunes Store and my Touch ID wouldn’t work. I had to go back 
> into the phone settings and turn off touch ID for the App Store and iTunes 
> Store and then turn it back on again in order for it to work. Can’t say that 
> this has happened before as I’ve only started using Touch ID with iOS 13. But 
> once I turned it off and back on it worked again.
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Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

2019-10-31 Thread Mary Otten
Yes, you can turn hey Siri off and on. I have also tried holding down on the 
play button on the HomePod itself, which will activate Siri. It certainly helps 
with getting her attention, but the results are not wonderful sometimes.


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> I’m guessing one can turn it off and back on again? This works for most 
> other things if it isn’t working the way you want? You probably tried this 
> already? We don’t have the HomePod in New Zealand so I can’t test this. 
> 
>> On 1/11/2019, at 11:09, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the HomePod. And I 
>> finally got it after the first one was withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. 
>> Now it seems that at least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey 
>> Siri two or three times before I get any results at all. And she comes up 
>> with the wildest stupidest things that aren’t even close to what I 
>> requested, unless it’s something from Apple Music. It’s crazy.
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Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

2019-10-31 Thread Mary Otten


Yes, I suppose one can do that. It’s just really started acting up today. 
Yesterday it seemed OK. I think I would actually like to reset the HomePod. But 
after the trouble people had with the update, I really don’t want to go there, 
even though they say everything is fixed. When my phone is recharged, I will 
try turning Siri hey Siri often on and maybe that will help.
I am wondering if anybody else is having this problem.
 

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>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> I’m guessing one can turn it off and back on again? This works for most 
> other things if it isn’t working the way you want? You probably tried this 
> already? We don’t have the HomePod in New Zealand so I can’t test this. 
> 
>> On 1/11/2019, at 11:09, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the HomePod. And I 
>> finally got it after the first one was withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. 
>> Now it seems that at least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey 
>> Siri two or three times before I get any results at all. And she comes up 
>> with the wildest stupidest things that aren’t even close to what I 
>> requested, unless it’s something from Apple Music. It’s crazy.
>> 
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Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

2019-10-31 Thread Mary Otten
I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the HomePod. And I 
finally got it after the first one was withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. 
Now it seems that at least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey Siri 
two or three times before I get any results at all. And she comes up with the 
wildest stupidest things that aren’t even close to what I requested, unless 
it’s something from Apple Music. It’s crazy.


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Los Angeles times app

2019-10-12 Thread Mary Otten
I wonder if anybody is able to successfully get past the opening screen of the 
LA Times app on the iPhone. I just downloaded it and opened it, and there are 
only two things spoken, one is welcome to the times or something like that, and 
the other says something about an all new news experience. Nothing works. I 
double tap on both of those things. I can’t get past that screen. It’s hard for 
me to believe that the leading newspaper in one of the largest metro areas in 
the country is completely voiceover useless. I know you can get it on Apple 
news. But what if I want to get the app and have and possibly have things 
organized in a better manner than what you get when you just look at a random 
feed? Has anyone had any success with this app?


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Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2

2019-10-06 Thread Mary Otten
I only have 13.1.2 on an older phone, this one, a 7+. I finally had the loss of 
sound bug yesterday, and it wasn’t from a  phone call. I was reading an article 
in an RSS news reader. I open Safari, using the open in Safari option in my 
news reader, and things went from being sort of draggy and slow in the news 
reader to absolute silence in Safari. So this is either two bugs, or it’s not 
related just calls, and certainly not related to the screen going to sleep in 
my case.


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> Hi,
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> I've only had this happen once.  A full DFU is not required at all, and if 
> anyone claims that it is necessary, they're wrong.  A simple restart will 
> bring things back to normal.  If you haptic feedback on, then it is easier 
> than with it off.  While haptic feedback is on, press the down volume and the 
> side button in for a few seconds until you feel the haptic feedback.  This 
> has brought up the shutdown dialog.  Be careful here, as you could 
> accidentally call emergency services if you have that feature enabled.  What 
> you do is to flick left until the haptic feedback feels like you're hitting 
> the left wall.  When you're at this point, you are on the "Power Down" 
> button, so double-tap and your iPhone will turn itself off.  Wait about a 
> minute between double-tapping to shutdown, and holding the side button to 
> turn the iPhone back on.  Once it restarts fully, VO will be working normally 
> again.
> 
> If VO is off, then flicking left will not result in the haptic feedback 
> hitting the left wall.  So, you'd then need to press the side button three 
> times to turn VO on, then follow the steps above to turn the iPhone off and 
> back on.  I haven't totally figured out what the trigger is that causes this 
> to happen, but I believe it has something to do with the screen going to 
> sleep while on the call.  If it's a shorter call where the screen does not 
> put itself to sleep, then this does not usually happen.  At least in my 
> situation, that's been the case.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
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>> On Oct 5, 2019, at 22:49, João de Sousa e Silva  wrote:
>> 
>> I forgot to mention that I did that, triple click twice, but without 
>> results. Also, was using the Find Me, the phone was there, and it was even 
>> saying that it was ringing, after I requested it. Again, no sound!
>> 
>>  
>> How to report such a problem to Apple? Sometimes I feel like at the call 
>> centre thy are trying more to say  that it is normal than trying to 
>> understand the issue. Also, they will ask for a full restore with DFU mode… 
>> I can see this happening…
>> 
>> 
>> Às 21:06 de 05/10/2019, Loy Green escreveu:
>> I experienced this once my self. The hapticks were sounding but no voice 
>> over. I triple click the to turn off VO and triple clicked again and VO came 
>> back.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Tim Morris
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 3:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2
>> 
>> Your not going crazy mine has done it a few times also. Along with screens 
>> getting very touchy and jumping all over the screen.
>>> On Oct 5, 2019, at 3:51 AM, João de Sousa e Silva  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> With iOS 13.1.2 running in an iPhone 8 I saw  myself without sound already 
>>> twice. The haptic feedback was working but no sound at all.
>>> 
>>> After plugging it to my Mac and press more-or-less randomly at the screen, 
>>> it was vibrating, indicating that the passcode was wrong.
>>> 
>>> From other phone I called to it and, again, more-or-less randomly I managed 
>>> to answer the call and realized that it was working. Right after the sound 
>>> returned to the whole system.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Today a similar situation happened:
>>> 
>>> I was listening a podcast while a phone call arrived at other synchronized 
>>> iPhone. I answered it at the iPhone 8. After hanging up the sound was gone. 
>>> I call from another phone to the iPhone 8. Although  I couldn’t answer the 
>>> call, after some seconds the sound returned, and the podcast restarted at 
>>> the point that it was before I got the original phone call to the other 
>>> synchronised iPhone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Anyone with a similar experience?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> João
>>> 
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Re: Setting up an activity in iOS 13

2019-10-03 Thread Mary Otten
Hi John,
Somebody told me that I needed to have activities in my rotor. I didn’t have it 
there. So now I do. And I set my rotor to activities before opening the mail 
app. They said I should have it set to no activity and then open the Mail app. 
I did that. No joy. So I said it to activity one, which is the one I had 
modified for mail, and re-opened the mail app. Still no joy. So I just don’t 
understand it.


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> Mary, it doesn’t sound like you’ve missed any steps. That’s exactly how I’ve 
> done activities. And yes the first time I did one I was looking for where’s 
> the save button. But just going back out put it there in the list and they 
> worked for me.
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>> On Oct 3, 2019, at 13:38, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> One of the reasons I updated my older phone to iOS 13.1 and then 13.1.2, 
>> was to take advantage of the new activities feature. Accordingly, I have 
>> gone into settings, voiceover, activities, and selected activity one. Within 
>> that, I changed the settings for table, row and column numbers to off. Then 
>> selected the mail app as the one I wanted the activity to apply to. I never 
>> did find a done button or any such thing. So I just exited out of the app 
>> that is out of settings. I had to wait till today to get a mail message with 
>> a table in it. But when I open that message, the activity I made did not 
>> work. I am probably missing a step, doing something wrong. So before report 
>> this to Apple, can anyone comment on whether they’ve gotten activities to 
>> work, and what steps I might have been missing.
>> Mary
>> 
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Setting up an activity in iOS 13

2019-10-03 Thread Mary Otten
One of the reasons I updated my older phone to iOS 13.1 and then 13.1.2, was to 
take advantage of the new activities feature. Accordingly, I have gone into 
settings, voiceover, activities, and selected activity one. Within that, I 
changed the settings for table, row and column numbers to off. Then selected 
the mail app as the one I wanted the activity to apply to. I never did find a 
done button or any such thing. So I just exited out of the app that is out of 
settings. I had to wait till today to get a mail message with a table in it. 
But when I open that message, the activity I made did not work. I am probably 
missing a step, doing something wrong. So before report this to Apple, can 
anyone comment on whether they’ve gotten activities to work, and what steps I 
might have been missing.
Mary


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Re: How to use the adjustable index in the broadcast radio section of Apple Music on iOS 13

2019-10-03 Thread Mary Otten
The one time I did somehow stumbled into the genres thing, I did get the 
genres. But there were very few items under each. And they clearly don’t 
scratch the surface of what is there, if Apple really has 100,000 stations. 
They really need to redo this whole thing. Maybe give it its own separate tab, 
since it is real radio, not just a bunch of curated playlist. And they need to 
be inclusive of what they offer, so that you can actually find what you’re 
looking for and don’t have to guess whether it’s not playing because Siri just 
isn’t cooperating or because they really don’t have it.
Mary


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> On Oct 2, 2019, at 11:26 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Well, I scrolled down with 3 finger swipes until I got near the end and then 
>> found the heading for broadcast radio. I think swiping down just a little 
>> more got me to a list of genres. If you pick a genre you should get more 
>> choices.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I got a reply from Apple accessibility about the adjustable index, but it 
>> didn’t make any sense. They said that indexes have an alphabet on the 
>> left-hand side. Well, I know that. Except this one doesn’t seem too, or at 
>> least I can’t find it. Then they said something confusing about an 
>> adjustable index, and said I could make a screenshot. Why the heck would I 
>> want to make a screenshot? Anyway, maybe I will end up calling them and 
>> seeing if somebody can log into my phone and show me how to actually use 
>> this thing. The response was certainly not useful, although I’m sure they 
>> meant well.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 8:25 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> To my knowledge, nothing has changed.  I set the Play last shortcut to the 
>> station I listen to most, and then just tune into the others the 
>> old-fashioned way.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> So far as I am aware, Tune in  just has the one shortcut, which is play last 
>> station. So if that’s the only station you want, you’re good. But if you 
>> like other stations and would like shortcut, I don’t think you can do that 
>> in tune in I looked recently and couldn’t find anything but that one 
>> shortcut. Has something changed? Was I looking in the wrong place?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 4:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> It seems more finicky with TuneIn.  I have a station from Ann Arbor Michigan 
>> where we used to live, that I access on TuneIn.  The only way I could get it 
>> to play with Siri was to set up a shortcut for the TuneIn app.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting, but when I want our international stations. There are tons of 
>> them that I know are on tune in. And when I asked my HomePod, it usually 
>> doesn’t work. That’s why I was kind of interested in seeing if I could find 
>> those things in This broadcast radio tab. That way I would knoThis broadcast 
>> radio tab. That way I would know if they’re actually there for Siri, and how 
>> they are listed. But I’m just not having any luck. The other stuff, stuff in 
>> the US, I don’t care. I know the stations I want and they’re call letters. 
>> Either work or they don’t.
>> Interesting, but when I want our international stations. There are tons of 
>> them that I know are on tune in. And when I asked my HomePod, it usually 
>> doesn’t work. That’s why I was kind of interested in seeing if I could find 
>> those things in Siri
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:53 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I ran this by folks on the beta list, and received the following helpful 
>> message.  It doesn't address the mysterious broadcast tab, but I was able to 
>> play a radio station about 500 miles from where I live.  Pretty cool.  Hope 
>> it's useful to anyone interested in broadcast radio.  Message follows.  
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> If you know the call letters, you can use Siri and ask her to play ..  for 
>> example play KLTY would get you 94.9 from Dallas.  Other places you can ask 
>> for something like:  play ESPN New York, and it will play 98.7 WEPN from 
>> there ..
>> 
>

Re: Movies with audio description on iTunes

2019-10-02 Thread Mary Otten
The movies are 16 candles and the breakfast club.
Mary


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> On Oct 2, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> I’m curious as to what movies they are? As every time I’ve looked up movies 
> with audio description they have been the same regardless weather they ar in 
> a bundle or you get them one by one.  
> 
>> On 3/10/2019, at 07:36, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Tim. It does make sense. I was actually really surprised to see that 
>> the two movies I am interested in were listed with audio description, since 
>> both of them came out way before audio description was at all common. So, I 
>> guess I will take the plunge and see what happens. I suppose I can always 
>> try to get a refund if audio description is not there.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 11:32 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, if audio description is available for the individual 
>>> titles, then it will also be available in the bundle.  I believe that Apple 
>>> actually only has one master download that is linked to multiple ways of 
>>> accessing.  In fact, I've purchased bundles where the movie did not yet 
>>> have audio description, but within months it did.  I did not need to 
>>> purchase a new copy, it just became audio described next time I watched it. 
>>>  Of course, this only works if you stream it, or download the newest 
>>> version from Apple, because a downloaded version will not be updated.
>>> 
>>> I hope that this makes sense.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 12:18, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have experience purchasing bundle of movies on iTunes? I have 
>>> found two separate movies on iTunes both of which say they have audio 
>>> description. You can also get both of them in a bundle, which costs less 
>>> than if you purchased the two movies separately. But when I look at the 
>>> bundle, audio description is not mentioned. Only closed captioning. I 
>>> wonder if this is a matter of space saving, or if, somehow, when you buy a 
>>> bundle, audio description gets left out. I would hate to spend 20 bucks and 
>>> find out that I lose audio description. Of course, it also doesn’t feel 
>>> very good to have to spend more to buy the films separately just in order 
>>> to get audio description.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Movies with audio description on iTunes

2019-10-02 Thread Mary Otten
Thanks, Tim. It does make sense. I was actually really surprised to see that 
the two movies I am interested in were listed with audio description, since 
both of them came out way before audio description was at all common. So, I 
guess I will take the plunge and see what happens. I suppose I can always try 
to get a refund if audio description is not there.
Mary


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> On Oct 2, 2019, at 11:32 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As far as I know, if audio description is available for the individual 
> titles, then it will also be available in the bundle.  I believe that Apple 
> actually only has one master download that is linked to multiple ways of 
> accessing.  In fact, I've purchased bundles where the movie did not yet have 
> audio description, but within months it did.  I did not need to purchase a 
> new copy, it just became audio described next time I watched it.  Of course, 
> this only works if you stream it, or download the newest version from Apple, 
> because a downloaded version will not be updated.
> 
> I hope that this makes sense.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 2, 2019, at 12:18, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have experience purchasing bundle of movies on iTunes? I have 
> found two separate movies on iTunes both of which say they have audio 
> description. You can also get both of them in a bundle, which costs less than 
> if you purchased the two movies separately. But when I look at the bundle, 
> audio description is not mentioned. Only closed captioning. I wonder if this 
> is a matter of space saving, or if, somehow, when you buy a bundle, audio 
> description gets left out. I would hate to spend 20 bucks and find out that I 
> lose audio description. Of course, it also doesn’t feel very good to have to 
> spend more to buy the films separately just in order to get audio description.
> Mary
> 
> 
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Movies with audio description on iTunes

2019-10-02 Thread Mary Otten
Does anyone have experience purchasing bundle of movies on iTunes? I have found 
two separate movies on iTunes both of which say they have audio description. 
You can also get both of them in a bundle, which costs less than if you 
purchased the two movies separately. But when I look at the bundle, audio 
description is not mentioned. Only closed captioning. I wonder if this is a 
matter of space saving, or if, somehow, when you buy a bundle, audio 
description gets left out. I would hate to spend 20 bucks and find out that I 
lose audio description. Of course, it also doesn’t feel very good to have to 
spend more to buy the films separately just in order to get audio description.
Mary


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Re: How to use the adjustable index in the broadcast radio section of Apple Music on iOS 13

2019-10-02 Thread Mary Otten
I got a reply from Apple accessibility about the adjustable index, but it 
didn’t make any sense. They said that indexes have an alphabet on the left-hand 
side. Well, I know that. Except this one doesn’t seem too, or at least I can’t 
find it. Then they said something confusing about an adjustable index, and said 
I could make a screenshot. Why the heck would I want to make a screenshot? 
Anyway, maybe I will end up calling them and seeing if somebody can log into my 
phone and show me how to actually use this thing. The response was certainly 
not useful, although I’m sure they meant well.
Mary


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> On Oct 2, 2019, at 8:25 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> To my knowledge, nothing has changed.  I set the Play last shortcut to the 
> station I listen to most, and then just tune into the others the 
> old-fashioned way.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> So far as I am aware, Tune in  just has the one shortcut, which is play last 
>> station. So if that’s the only station you want, you’re good. But if you 
>> like other stations and would like shortcut, I don’t think you can do that 
>> in tune in I looked recently and couldn’t find anything but that one 
>> shortcut. Has something changed? Was I looking in the wrong place?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 4:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> 
>>> It seems more finicky with TuneIn.  I have a station from Ann Arbor 
>>> Michigan where we used to live, that I access on TuneIn.  The only way I 
>>> could get it to play with Siri was to set up a shortcut for the TuneIn app.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Interesting, but when I want our international stations. There are tons of 
>>>> them that I know are on tune in. And when I asked my HomePod, it usually 
>>>> doesn’t work. That’s why I was kind of interested in seeing if I could 
>>>> find those things in This broadcast radio tab. That way I would knoThis 
>>>> broadcast radio tab. That way I would know if they’re actually there for 
>>>> Siri, and how they are listed. But I’m just not having any luck. The other 
>>>> stuff, stuff in the US, I don’t care. I know the stations I want and 
>>>> they’re call letters. Either work or they don’t.
>>>>  Interesting, but when I want our international stations. There are tons 
>>>> of them that I know are on tune in. And when I asked my HomePod, it 
>>>> usually doesn’t work. That’s why I was kind of interested in seeing if I 
>>>> could find those things in Siri
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:53 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I ran this by folks on the beta list, and received the following helpful 
>>>>> message.  It doesn't address the mysterious broadcast tab, but I was able 
>>>>> to play a radio station about 500 miles from where I live.  Pretty cool.  
>>>>> Hope it's useful to anyone interested in broadcast radio.  Message 
>>>>> follows.  
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> If you know the call letters, you can use Siri and ask her to play ..  
>>>>> for example play KLTY would get you 94.9 from Dallas.  Other places you 
>>>>> can ask for something like:  play ESPN New York, and it will play 98.7 
>>>>> WEPN from there ..
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have any of the apps for the sources, that might give you an idea 
>>>>> of how to ask for the stations.  It is a little particular..they are 
>>>>> quite similar to how you would ask Alexa if you have an Echo device.  You 
>>>>> also can add the source if you want it from a particular service, as some 
>>>>> stations are on both .. hope this helps ..
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It possibly being locations specific could be why people in countries 
>>>>>> other than the US aren’t seeing it. But it certainly isn’t location 
>>>>>> specific to my little area here. None of the stations I saw were in 
>

Re: How to use the adjustable index in the broadcast radio section of Apple Music on iOS 13

2019-10-02 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Donna,
So far as I am aware, Tune in  just has the one shortcut, which is play last 
station. So if that’s the only station you want, you’re good. But if you like 
other stations and would like shortcut, I don’t think you can do that in tune 
in I looked recently and couldn’t find anything but that one shortcut. Has 
something changed? Was I looking in the wrong place?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2019, at 4:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> It seems more finicky with TuneIn.  I have a station from Ann Arbor Michigan 
> where we used to live, that I access on TuneIn.  The only way I could get it 
> to play with Siri was to set up a shortcut for the TuneIn app.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting, but when I want our international stations. There are tons of 
>> them that I know are on tune in. And when I asked my HomePod, it usually 
>> doesn’t work. That’s why I was kind of interested in seeing if I could find 
>> those things in This broadcast radio tab. That way I would knoThis broadcast 
>> radio tab. That way I would know if they’re actually there for Siri, and how 
>> they are listed. But I’m just not having any luck. The other stuff, stuff in 
>> the US, I don’t care. I know the stations I want and they’re call letters. 
>> Either work or they don’t.
>>  Interesting, but when I want our international stations. There are tons of 
>> them that I know are on tune in. And when I asked my HomePod, it usually 
>> doesn’t work. That’s why I was kind of interested in seeing if I could find 
>> those things in Siri
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:53 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I ran this by folks on the beta list, and received the following helpful 
>>> message.  It doesn't address the mysterious broadcast tab, but I was able 
>>> to play a radio station about 500 miles from where I live.  Pretty cool.  
>>> Hope it's useful to anyone interested in broadcast radio.  Message follows. 
>>>  
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> If you know the call letters, you can use Siri and ask her to play ..  for 
>>> example play KLTY would get you 94.9 from Dallas.  Other places you can ask 
>>> for something like:  play ESPN New York, and it will play 98.7 WEPN from 
>>> there ..
>>> 
>>> If you have any of the apps for the sources, that might give you an idea of 
>>> how to ask for the stations.  It is a little particular..they are quite 
>>> similar to how you would ask Alexa if you have an Echo device.  You also 
>>> can add the source if you want it from a particular service, as some 
>>> stations are on both .. hope this helps ..
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It possibly being locations specific could be why people in countries 
>>>> other than the US aren’t seeing it. But it certainly isn’t location 
>>>> specific to my little area here. None of the stations I saw were in 
>>>> Oregon, much less in Eugene Oregon. There was even a BBC one. Just one. I 
>>>> think it might’ve been world service, can’t remember.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m wondering if it is location specific?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/10/2019, at 13:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not subscribed.  But your right, it makes no sense that you should 
>>>>>> have to be.  I just looked on the Apple support site, and they don't say 
>>>>>> that you have to be subscribed to listen to local radio, only that you 
>>>>>> have to be subscribed in order to create your own stations.  Weird.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:56 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>>>> Well, did you say that you were or were not subscribe to Apple Music? 
>>>>>>> If you aren’t, I guess that’s why you can’t see the broadcast radio 
>>>>>>> stuff, but it sur

Re: How to use the adjustable index in the broadcast radio section of Apple Music on iOS 13

2019-10-01 Thread Mary Otten
Interesting, but when I want our international stations. There are tons of them 
that I know are on tune in. And when I asked my HomePod, it usually doesn’t 
work. That’s why I was kind of interested in seeing if I could find those 
things in This broadcast radio tab. That way I would knoThis broadcast radio 
tab. That way I would know if they’re actually there for Siri, and how they are 
listed. But I’m just not having any luck. The other stuff, stuff in the US, I 
don’t care. I know the stations I want and they’re call letters. Either work or 
they don’t.
 Interesting, but when I want our international stations. There are tons of 
them that I know are on tune in. And when I asked my HomePod, it usually 
doesn’t work. That’s why I was kind of interested in seeing if I could find 
those things in Siri

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:53 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I ran this by folks on the beta list, and received the following helpful 
> message.  It doesn't address the mysterious broadcast tab, but I was able to 
> play a radio station about 500 miles from where I live.  Pretty cool.  Hope 
> it's useful to anyone interested in broadcast radio.  Message follows.  
> Cheers,
> Donna
> If you know the call letters, you can use Siri and ask her to play ..  for 
> example play KLTY would get you 94.9 from Dallas.  Other places you can ask 
> for something like:  play ESPN New York, and it will play 98.7 WEPN from 
> there ..
> 
> If you have any of the apps for the sources, that might give you an idea of 
> how to ask for the stations.  It is a little particular..they are quite 
> similar to how you would ask Alexa if you have an Echo device.  You also can 
> add the source if you want it from a particular service, as some stations are 
> on both .. hope this helps ..
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> It possibly being locations specific could be why people in countries other 
>> than the US aren’t seeing it. But it certainly isn’t location specific to my 
>> little area here. None of the stations I saw were in Oregon, much less in 
>> Eugene Oregon. There was even a BBC one. Just one. I think it might’ve been 
>> world service, can’t remember.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m wondering if it is location specific?
>>> 
>>>> On 2/10/2019, at 13:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not subscribed.  But your right, it makes no sense that you should 
>>>> have to be.  I just looked on the Apple support site, and they don't say 
>>>> that you have to be subscribed to listen to local radio, only that you 
>>>> have to be subscribed in order to create your own stations.  Weird.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:56 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>> Well, did you say that you were or were not subscribe to Apple Music? If 
>>>>> you aren’t, I guess that’s why you can’t see the broadcast radio stuff, 
>>>>> but it sure doesn’t make sense, since those are not part of Apple Music 
>>>>> at all. They’re supposed to be connected with Siri if anything. It’s that 
>>>>> new deal they have with I heart in tune in and radio.com. So I don’t get 
>>>>> it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just tried what you described and still no.  There is no heading in my 
>>>>>> music app that says Broadcast radio.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:00 PM, John JD Denning  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, I looked again and found it. It is not at the bottom of the 
>>>>>>> screen. It is right above the normal Apple Music what they call radio 
>>>>>>> basically playlists. So it’s above that not below it. I’ll go play with 
>>>>>>> it now.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>&g

Re: How to use the adjustable index in the broadcast radio section of Apple Music on iOS 13

2019-10-01 Thread Mary Otten
It possibly being locations specific could be why people in countries other 
than the US aren’t seeing it. But it certainly isn’t location specific to my 
little area here. None of the stations I saw were in Oregon, much less in 
Eugene Oregon. There was even a BBC one. Just one. I think it might’ve been 
world service, can’t remember.


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> On Oct 1, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> I’m wondering if it is location specific?
> 
>> On 2/10/2019, at 13:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> I'm not subscribed.  But your right, it makes no sense that you should have 
>> to be.  I just looked on the Apple support site, and they don't say that you 
>> have to be subscribed to listen to local radio, only that you have to be 
>> subscribed in order to create your own stations.  Weird.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:56 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Well, did you say that you were or were not subscribe to Apple Music? If 
>>> you aren’t, I guess that’s why you can’t see the broadcast radio stuff, but 
>>> it sure doesn’t make sense, since those are not part of Apple Music at all. 
>>> They’re supposed to be connected with Siri if anything. It’s that new deal 
>>> they have with I heart in tune in and radio.com. So I don’t get it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>> 
>>>> I just tried what you described and still no.  There is no heading in my 
>>>> music app that says Broadcast radio.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:00 PM, John JD Denning  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I looked again and found it. It is not at the bottom of the screen. 
>>>>> It is right above the normal Apple Music what they call radio basically 
>>>>> playlists. So it’s above that not below it. I’ll go play with it now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 14:26, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mary,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Where did you find Broadcast radio?  I just tried to look for it, and 
>>>>>> I'm not seeing it.  Running 13.2.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mary,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I haven't tried this feature yet, but the way this works in the rest of 
>>>>>>> the music app is that you double tap, then slide your finger on the 
>>>>>>> screen till you hear VO speak the letter that you want.  So, for 
>>>>>>> example, if you're searching for the artist Bob Marley, you would slide 
>>>>>>> till you hear the letter B.  then you would see all artists whose name 
>>>>>>> starts with that letter.  Does it not work the same way in the radio 
>>>>>>> section?
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you have updated to iOS 13, you can go into the Music app, and you 
>>>>>>>> will find that there is a radio tab. New in this tab is a section for 
>>>>>>>> broadcast radio. Right after the heading that says broadcast radio, 
>>>>>>>> which is the last heading in the whole tab, there is a “See all“ 
>>>>>>>> button. If you double tap that, voiceover announces section index, 
>>>>>>>> adjustable. I cannot figure out anyway to adjust this supposed index. 
>>>>>>>> And all you get in terms of radio stations is a very few. There are 
>>>>>>>> 100,000 supposedly. So it’s pretty clear that you need to be able to 
>>>>>>>> move through this index. Does anybody know how to accomplish that?
>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>> 
>>>&g

Re: How to use the adjustable index in the broadcast radio section of Apple Music on iOS 13

2019-10-01 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Donna,
Well, did you say that you were or were not subscribe to Apple Music? If you 
aren’t, I guess that’s why you can’t see the broadcast radio stuff, but it sure 
doesn’t make sense, since those are not part of Apple Music at all. They’re 
supposed to be connected with Siri if anything. It’s that new deal they have 
with I heart in tune in and radio.com. So I don’t get it.


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> On Oct 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I just tried what you described and still no.  There is no heading in my 
> music app that says Broadcast radio.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:00 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I looked again and found it. It is not at the bottom of the screen. It 
>> is right above the normal Apple Music what they call radio basically 
>> playlists. So it’s above that not below it. I’ll go play with it now.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 14:26, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> 
>>> Where did you find Broadcast radio?  I just tried to look for it, and I'm 
>>> not seeing it.  Running 13.2.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mary,
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't tried this feature yet, but the way this works in the rest of 
>>>> the music app is that you double tap, then slide your finger on the screen 
>>>> till you hear VO speak the letter that you want.  So, for example, if 
>>>> you're searching for the artist Bob Marley, you would slide till you hear 
>>>> the letter B.  then you would see all artists whose name starts with that 
>>>> letter.  Does it not work the same way in the radio section?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have updated to iOS 13, you can go into the Music app, and you 
>>>>> will find that there is a radio tab. New in this tab is a section for 
>>>>> broadcast radio. Right after the heading that says broadcast radio, which 
>>>>> is the last heading in the whole tab, there is a “See all“ button. If you 
>>>>> double tap that, voiceover announces section index, adjustable. I cannot 
>>>>> figure out anyway to adjust this supposed index. And all you get in terms 
>>>>> of radio stations is a very few. There are 100,000 supposedly. So it’s 
>>>>> pretty clear that you need to be able to move through this index. Does 
>>>>> anybody know how to accomplish that?
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: How to use the adjustable index in the broadcast radio section of Apple Music on iOS 13

2019-10-01 Thread Mary Otten
I found it to be the last heading in all those headings that are in the radio 
tab. You can think you ran out of headings, because you actually have to be in 
the list of things under a given heading before you can navigate to the next 
hitting with the rotor. This is a long-standing bug. You should be able to just 
move from heading to hitting without having to flick right and get into the 
list that you don’t care about. But that problem is not new with iOS 13. You do 
have to have the music app, but I don’t see why you would have to subscribe to 
Apple Music in order to access the radio tab with the broadcast radio stuff. I 
am subscribed, so I can’t test that out. It seems like you should just not have 
access to all those Apple curated playlists that they like to call radio 
stations.
By the way, I know there is at least one error in here. But the inability to 
navigate by line means I am not going to go all the way back up where I heard 
it and fix it. Sorry about that.


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> On Oct 1, 2019, at 12:00 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> Well, I looked again and found it. It is not at the bottom of the screen. It 
> is right above the normal Apple Music what they call radio basically 
> playlists. So it’s above that not below it. I’ll go play with it now.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 14:26, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> Where did you find Broadcast radio?  I just tried to look for it, and I'm 
>> not seeing it.  Running 13.2.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> 
>>> I haven't tried this feature yet, but the way this works in the rest of the 
>>> music app is that you double tap, then slide your finger on the screen till 
>>> you hear VO speak the letter that you want.  So, for example, if you're 
>>> searching for the artist Bob Marley, you would slide till you hear the 
>>> letter B.  then you would see all artists whose name starts with that 
>>> letter.  Does it not work the same way in the radio section?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If you have updated to iOS 13, you can go into the Music app, and you will 
>>>> find that there is a radio tab. New in this tab is a section for broadcast 
>>>> radio. Right after the heading that says broadcast radio, which is the 
>>>> last heading in the whole tab, there is a “See all“ button. If you double 
>>>> tap that, voiceover announces section index, adjustable. I cannot figure 
>>>> out anyway to adjust this supposed index. And all you get in terms of 
>>>> radio stations is a very few. There are 100,000 supposedly. So it’s pretty 
>>>> clear that you need to be able to move through this index. Does anybody 
>>>> know how to accomplish that?
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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How to use the adjustable index in the broadcast radio section of Apple Music on iOS 13

2019-10-01 Thread Mary Otten
If you have updated to iOS 13, you can go into the Music app, and you will find 
that there is a radio tab. New in this tab is a section for broadcast radio. 
Right after the heading that says broadcast radio, which is the last heading in 
the whole tab, there is a “See all“ button. If you double tap that, voiceover 
announces section index, adjustable. I cannot figure out anyway to adjust this 
supposed index. And all you get in terms of radio stations is a very few. There 
are 100,000 supposedly. So it’s pretty clear that you need to be able to move 
through this index. Does anybody know how to accomplish that?
Mary

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Problems navigating by line within the composition field of an email message

2019-09-30 Thread Mary Otten
Since upgrading to iOS 13.1, and then the subsequent smaller upgrades, I have 
noticed a problem with not being able to navigate by line within the compose 
area of an email message. For example, dictate a small message that consist of 
a paragraph or so. Listen to voice over read your message back. Say you hear a 
mistake up near the top. Try changing the rotor to lines, and flick up to go 
back. It doesn’t work. This is very consistent for me. It never happened in iOS 
12. But it’s happening each and every time I try to move by line in this 
context in iOS 13 and all of its iterations.
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Where did my list of Siri shortcuts go?

2019-09-29 Thread Mary Otten
I updated my iPhone 7 Plus iOS 13.1 and then to 13.1.1. I wanted to go and see 
my list of Siri shortcuts which migrated from 12.4. I open settings and then 
found Siri and search. The shortcuts used to be in there. They aren’t anymore. 
They still work, but where can I find the entire list? That same list used to 
have suggestions based on apps you recently used, which is really why I was 
looking for it. What happened to it?
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Format options replacing reader mode button in iOS 13

2019-09-28 Thread Mary Otten
With iOS 13, the reader mode button is gone on webpages. Now, there is a format 
options in its place. You have to activate that, then find reader, and activate 
that. That’s two steps instead of one. A step back in my view. Is there a way 
to get it back the way it used to be? I don’t care about the other format 
options. I realize others probably do, and that’s why they are there. But all I 
want is the reader mode. I know you can go into settings for Safari and have it 
turn reader mode to be always on for all websites. But reader mode is not 
appropriate for all websites. So I turned it on and I will see how it goes. But 
I suspect it is going to be problematic on sites where there isn’t and 
shouldn’t be a reader mode option. Sometimes, I think they make things more 
complicated than they need to be.
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HomePod and iOS 13

2019-09-28 Thread Mary Otten
Is there anybody on this list I should say these lists, who has HomePods which 
have been updated past iOS 12? I keep checking, going into the home app. I have 
automatic updates on. When I go in there and click software update in the home 
app, I’m always being told my HomePod is up to date on Ios 12.4. Seems rather 
strange. I’m interested in that new handoff feature, where you’re supposed to 
be able to have something going on your phone and easily send it to your 
HomePod just by walking into the room or something. I forget exactly how it’s 
supposed to work, but I don’t have iOS 13 on my pod, so I can’t try it out in 
any case.
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HomePod update

2019-09-25 Thread Mary Otten
I updated my older phone, 7+, to iOS 13. This phone is still on 12 41. I tried 
to update my HomePod, although it is set for auto update. I tried it on both 
phones. I’m being told it is up-to-date with iOS 12.4. But I thought 13 should 
be out for the HomePod. Does anybody know?


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Question about getting my Alex voice back on Apple TV HD

2019-09-25 Thread Mary Otten
I just updated my Apple TV HD to the latest iOS. Update went smoothly, but it 
came up with the Samantha voice talking, and not even enhanced, just the 
regular one. I went into voiceover speech and Alex was still selected. I 
clicked on it with the remote, it said retrieving info, and then said it 
required an 800 and some megabyte download. I clicked on it again, and it keeps 
telling me it requires this big download. But nothing is happening apparently. 
I went to a different voice, Siri mail, which requires 400 and some. That 
apparently downloaded. At least, I got percentages of download until it 
stopped. But that one doesn’t play either, and when I click on it now, it 
simply says it requires 490 some megabytes download. What the heck is going on?
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Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective and voice dream

2019-09-24 Thread Mary Otten
I have had decent luck with the Books app on my phone, although I don’t use it 
much, since these days, kindle books tend to be cheaper. But I do want to know 
how you saved that book to read an invoice dream.


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> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Well that is a bit sad. I managed to save the user guide for IOS 13 to voice 
> dream reader. When one finds it easier to read a book published by Apple on a 
> third party app as apposed to  their own app it is a bit sad. But at least I 
> can read it now. 
> However I should feed the cat first before she beats me up as it is a bit 
> hard  to read while getting scratched. 
> 
>> On 25/09/2019, at 09:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When focus is on the textual area, do a three-finger swipe from right to 
>> left like you were turning a page in a book.  This will take you to the next 
>> page, and it will start reading that next page.  Not a continuous thing, but 
>> at least should get you further along than you've been getting.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:49, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry, done that too. The books app is totally hopeless fore reading text 
>> based books. It keeps freezing up and I just can not get it to read past the 
>> first page of whatever section I’m trying to read. I’ve even lost the button 
>> where I can check all the sections and choose one. Hopefully it’ll work 
>> better when I update too IOS 13.  I find it really good fore reading audio 
>> books and have always found it hopeless for text books.
>> 
>>> On 25/09/2019, at 08:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Try the two-finger swipe up then.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:07, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
>>> section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve ever 
>>> had this problem.
>>> 
>>>> On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
>>>> fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
>>>> think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
>>>> iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books 
>>>> App. I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph 
>>>> regarding accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can 
>>>> only get voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it 
>>>> to read the entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update 
>>>> tonight when my wife is home. I always like to have some working eyes 
>>>> around before I start the update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with 
>>>> updates before. So I might get better luck reading the user guide after I 
>>>> update. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide 
>>>>> for iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the 
>>>>> Accessibility section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS 
>>>>> is updated.  It is in the store now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Later...
>

Using voice control to enter a passcode

2019-09-24 Thread Mary Otten
I understand that voice control does not have the blind and visually impaired 
as its primary audience. However, a friend of mine has upgraded his phone and 
was playing around with voice control and rather likes it. This raised the 
question of whether it is possible to enter a passcode to open your phone using 
voice control. He was trying to enter it using his finger to type the numbers, 
and voiceover said that it was the wrong passcode. That was because other 
numbers then when he was typing were being entered because he had voice control 
on. He has a six digit passcode. But he was getting notices that after four 
numbers, he had the wrong passcode entered. So, I wonder if it is possible to 
simply dictate the passcode if you have a voice control on. He did try it by 
simply saying his passcode numbers one after the other, but that apparently 
didn’t do anything. So he turned voice control off, and was able to enter his 
code. Still, if you were in the right environment where you did not care if 
anyone overheard you, saying the numbers would be cool. Plus, I would think 
this would be a really good thing for the primary audience for whom voice 
control is intended, that is, people who can’t really use the touchscreen well. 
Wouldn’t you want a way to be able to enter your voice code using voice control?
Mary


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