iPhone pitch app for singers I’m looking for an app that in essence, you can hum a note and it will identify the note you’re humming. I already have an app called Talking Tuner that I’ve used for year

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Re: Voiceover frequently shutting off

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I’ve never heard of “resetting” voiceover. How would you reset voiceover?
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> On Apr 16, 2024, at 2:18 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> This is something I don’t have issues with.
> But can you maybe reset voiceOver to see if that helps?
> Do a backup of your settings first.
> /A
> 
>> 16 apr. 2024 kl. 16:30 skrev Phil Halton :
>> 
>> I am running the latest Sonoma on a MacBook Pro M3. Lately, I find voiceover 
>> needing to be rebooted because it stops speaking. I don’t know if it has 
>> been shut off or somehow muted itself but I can get no speech from any 
>> action. So, the solution has been to reboot voiceover with the command F5. I 
>> first hit command F5 to shut it off, and then command five again and voice 
>> comes back up speaking. i’m worrying about the time when it won’t come back 
>> up speaking. This is an oddity I don’t understand. Why is voice needing to 
>> be rebooted on a regular basis?
>> By the way, this usually happens after a long period of inactivity on the 
>> laptops. Like for example first thing in the morning after a nights 
>> inactivity, or even after several hours during the day of not being used.
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Voiceover frequently shutting off

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 I am running the latest Sonoma on a MacBook Pro M3. Lately, I find voiceover 
needing to be rebooted because it stops speaking. I don’t know if it has been 
shut off or somehow muted itself but I can get no speech from any action. So, 
the solution has been to reboot voiceover with the command F5. I first hit 
command F5 to shut it off, and then command five again and voice comes back up 
speaking. i’m worrying about the time when it won’t come back up speaking. This 
is an oddity I don’t understand. Why is voice needing to be rebooted on a 
regular basis? 
By the way, this usually happens after a long period of inactivity on the 
laptops. Like for example first thing in the morning after a nights inactivity, 
or even after several hours during the day of not being used. 

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Re: Voiceover menu navigation problem in latest Sonoma

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That was it Brad, thanks. Hey is it the shift VOF3 key that I might’ve hit the 
toggle it to track cursor with keyboard? I think it’s shift plus the VO keys 
plus the F3 key. Got to watch that one.
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> On Apr 9, 2024, at 11:22 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I am not experiencing this issue on either of my max running macOS Sonoma 
> 14.4.1.
> Sounds to me like your mouse arrow is set to follow the voiceover cursor.
> You can correct this issue by going into the voiceover utility, selecting the 
> navigation  category, and setting the mouse arrow so that it ignores the 
> voiceover cursor.
> Hopefully this will correct your issue with the menu bar.
> 
> HDH.
> 
> - Brad -
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> On Apr 9, 2024, at 10:12, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> A few weeks back I upgraded Sonoma to the latest version, 14.4 or something 
> like that. In order to take advantage of the new rogue amoeba installations. 
> After that upgrade I cannot navigate menu bars on any of my apps as expected. 
> That is opening up the menu with VO M puts me at the Apple system menu. Then, 
>  pressing E  for let’s say edit, it doesn’t take me to the edit menu goes 
> into the system menu. so, first letter navigation in the menu bar like 
> pressing T for table F for format etc. no longer works for me in any of my 
> apps. I have to arrow across the menu bar and I get the bubble sound as I 
> arrow across. First letter navigation seems to no longer work. Is this a 
> Sonoma issue, voiceover issue, or what?  Any help appreciated
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Voiceover menu navigation problem in latest Sonoma

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A few weeks back I upgraded Sonoma to the latest version, 14.4 or something 
like that. In order to take advantage of the new rogue amoeba installations. 
After that upgrade I cannot navigate menu bars on any of my apps as expected. 
That is opening up the menu with VO M puts me at the Apple system menu. Then,  
pressing E  for let’s say edit, it doesn’t take me to the edit menu goes into 
the system menu. so, first letter navigation in the menu bar like pressing T 
for table F for format etc. no longer works for me in any of my apps. I have to 
arrow across the menu bar and I get the bubble sound as I arrow across. First 
letter navigation seems to no longer work. Is this a Sonoma issue, voiceover 
issue, or what?  Any help appreciated 
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Re: Piezo installation

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Update. I solved the problem by interacting with the button revealing a whole 
subset of other checkboxes etc. Very sneaky, you wouldn’t expect that you had 
to interact with the button to get to a sub level. But once I did that I was 
able to enable the system audio and microphone access and continue.
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> On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:58 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> OK, I upgraded my Sonoma to 14.4.1 in order to take advantage of the new 
> installation for rogue amoeba apps, specifically the Piezo app. I got stuck 
> at the permissions window of the installation. It required that I give 
> permissions for system audio access and optionally microphone access but when 
> I clicked on the button for both the required and optional items Nothing 
> seems to happen. I pressed the button, and also routed the cursor to the 
> button and clicked the mouse button.  But the continue button was still 
> dimmed out. I can’t get past this step of the installation. Any informed 
> opinions out there? As I said I am running the latest app installer the 1.9 
> version that works on Sonoma 14.4.1.  Look forward to hearing any informed 
> knowledgeable opinions and advice. Thanks
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Piezo installation

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OK, I upgraded my Sonoma to 14.4.1 in order to take advantage of the new 
installation for rogue amoeba apps, specifically the Piezo app. I got stuck at 
the permissions window of the installation. It required that I give permissions 
for system audio access and optionally microphone access but when I clicked on 
the button for both the required and optional items Nothing seems to happen. I 
pressed the button, and also routed the cursor to the button and clicked the 
mouse button.  But the continue button was still dimmed out. I can’t get past 
this step of the installation. Any informed opinions out there? As I said I am 
running the latest app installer the 1.9 version that works on Sonoma 14.4.1.  
Look forward to hearing any informed knowledgeable opinions and advice. Thanks 
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Chrome browser on the Mac

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I installed chrome on my MacBook Pro today and made the mistake of turning on 
the screen reader during set up. It conflicts with voiceover, giving me double 
voices etc. How can I shut off the screen reader in Google’s chrome browser on 
my MacBook Pro. I think I heard something about control alt Z key stroke will 
turn off the screen reader and I assume that corresponds to control command Z 
on the Mac keyboard. Is this the valid key stroke for turning the screen raider 
off?
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Re: Zoom H1 essential recorder with voice guidance

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Thank you all for the help. It in fact did come up talking with English plus beep selected. But, I’ve decided to return it. It’s just too cute by half for me with too many buttons and functions and all I need is really a scratch recorder to listen to my guitar/banjo playing. It’s probably a great unit but it doesn’t fit the bill for me and it’s gonna go back. The iPhone Voice Memos app or other recorders have all the functionality I’ll be needing. Sent from my IPhoneOn Mar 10, 2024, at 10:55 AM, Michael Babcock  wrote:If, for some reason, the voice guidance isn't heard on your H1E, please follow these troubleshooting steps.Number one, turn the device on by pulling the slider switch toward you on the left side of the device holding it for a second and then releasing. You will hear startup sound, even if the volume is turned all the way down.Number two, slide your finger up the left side of the device until you feel the knob to turn up the volume. Push this knob up or away from you. And continue until you can no longer push it.Note, you will hear the start up sound even if the volume is turned all the way down. You will not hear the device speak to you.If pressing the knob all the way up, does not allow the device to speak to you, press the button on the right edge of the device. This takes you into the menu.At this point will use the four buttons directly below the screen to navigate the menu:press the second button in from the left under the display twice. Next, Press the right most button once and this will take you into the system menu. Press the third button from the left, once to highlight accessibility, Press the fourth button from the left once to enter this menuPress the fourth button from the left once again and this will take you into the guide sound. Press that fourth button from the left again to enable English plus beep.Please let us know if these directions do not assist.BestMichael - KJ7PAZPayown Media, LLCOn Mar 9, 2024, at 11:52 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:I saw this new recorder from Zoom in the 80 guys bulletin and so I picked one up and it just arrived. Unfortunately the manuals are crap. Although, I think I can suss out the various buttons and such. The problem is knowing how to operate the menu system. I think you first have to go in and activate The voice guidance, kinda like turning on voiceover for the first time. Is anybody else using this recorder? I’m not gonna send it back right away, I’ll mess around with it but I think I may have made a mistake purchase here. Please let me know if you’re using it. Sent from my IPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/A490B9C5-9D29-4E6B-A136-C01616DBCBA2%40gmail.com.



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Zoom H1 essential recorder with voice guidance

[Phil Halton]

I saw this new recorder from Zoom in the 80 guys bulletin and so I picked one 
up and it just arrived. Unfortunately the manuals are crap. Although, I think I 
can suss out the various buttons and such. The problem is knowing how to 
operate the menu system. I think you first have to go in and activate The voice 
guidance, kinda like turning on voiceover for the first time. Is anybody else 
using this recorder? I’m not gonna send it back right away, I’ll mess around 
with it but I think I may have made a mistake purchase here. Please let me know 
if you’re using it. 
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Re: Startup Security Utility

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Your message is unclear. What do you mean you’re unable to WIT command Our. 
What is WIT supposed to mean?. in order to get into recovery mode, you turn off 
your Mac. Then, you power on the Mac and immediately hold down the command and 
our keys for a while, a good while, and then release. You will have to wait a 
while for recovery mode to come up and then you’ll have to turn on voiceover 
manually with command F5.
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Amadeus, reaper, or audacity?

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I currently make some use of Amadeus Pro, but I want to look around for a 
similar multitrack audio recorder/editor program. Is anyone have experience 
with reaper on the Mac? How about audacity? I’m looking for simple to use and 
highly accessible without a huge learning curve. Thanks for any information. 
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Re: Sound Effects

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It sounds like you’re getting the wooshing sound that you hear when you activate Mission control. Try pressing control up arrow or control down arrow and see if that’s the sound because control up arrow is the default Sonoma keystroke to activate mission control. If you are clicking a mouse and this is happening you could well be activating hot corners. The top left and right and bottom left and right corners Can be clicked to activate certain applications. I’m not sure if they make a washing sound because I don’t use a mouse but that sure sounds like what you’re hearing. Go into desktop and dock settings and you’ll see a section for Mission control and the keyboard shortcut and hot corners that you can set up there.Sent from my IPhoneOn Feb 4, 2024, at 2:26 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:I am running Sonoma, and do not hear this.Try going into System Settings > Sounds, and see if you can change your alert sound.
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Random generators for iOS I need an app that will beep randomly every 10 seconds or so in an interval that I can specify. For example if I wanted to beep somewhere within a window between 3 to 10 seco

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Reviving an old iMac

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I'm trying to revive myold iMac from around 2011 or so, I'm pretty sure it was 
running El Capitan. I'm locked out and can't log in because of a password logon 
failure even though the same password always worked and is the same that I've 
used on every mac i ever had.

No matter, Now I'm trying to reinstall the OS from recovery mode but the El 
Capitan installer package is missing. I figure that I should be able to get the 
installer and put it on a USB stick and somehow reinstall from that.
Can anyone help me with this and walk me through the basic steps and where I 
can get the installer package?

I wasthinking of just junking the iMac, but it's still usable and now I really 
want to get this thing back and running if nothing more than for a novelty. 
Plus, I don't like not being able to do something until I've exhausted all 
options and possibilities.
Please help with this if you can.

I'm trying to revive myold iMac from around 2011 or so, I'm pretty sure it was 
running El Capitan. I'm locked out and can't log in because of a password logon 
failure even though the same password always worked and is the same that I've 
used on every mac i ever had.

No matter, Now I'm trying to reinstall the OS from recovery mode but the El 
Capitan installer package is missing. I figure that I should be able to get the 
installer and put it on a USB stick and somehow reinstall from that.
Can anyone help me with this and walk me through the basic steps and where I 
can get the installer package?

I wasthinking of just junking the iMac, but it's still usable and now I really 
want to get this thing back and running if nothing more than for a novelty. 
Plus, I don't like giving up on something until I've exhausted all options and 
possibilities.
Please help with this if you can.

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Re: Shutting off series annoying back to back request feature

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Bingo!
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> On Jan 9, 2024, at 11:49 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> But the problem of back-to-back requests isn't really that Siri doesn't go 
> away. It's that having made your request, you can't really review the output 
> because while Siri is listening VoiceOver refuses to talk. And if you dismiss 
> Siri by asking it to sod off—an absurd requirement, in any event—then it will 
> take your results with it as it goes.
> 
> So thanks but no thanks Apple for an incredibly stupid feature that can only 
> really be of any benefit if you are doing the simplest possible things given 
> the dysfunction of Siri generally and its extremely limited capacity for 
> understanding requests in particular. That always-on misfeature and changing 
> the default trigger to "Siri" instead of "Hey Siri" really do speak to an 
> unbelievable hubris on the part of some manager somewhere. G.
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Re: What is the best recording app for aM2 Mac?

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Voice Memos, or even quick time video, are built-in to the OS and are good 
options for Just recording some raw audio files for later processing. I also 
also use Amadeus pro and it is a great app but there’s a bit of a learning 
curve and it ain’t free, though not too expensive, so you might wanna just  do 
a quick and dirty recording using voice memos or a quick time and then at your 
leisure you can edit them with Amadeus Pro. One thing about Amadeus pro is at 
least for me I found it necessary to have the tutorials by Jonathan Mosen so I 
could figure out how to work the darn thing. There’s a few tricky aspects to it 
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> On Jan 13, 2024, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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> I use Amadeus Pro, it works great.
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 4:29 PM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  I am  going  to  a fore day  similar but  I don’t wish to  take  my vary 
>> good  podcast recorder. I wood like  to  record som  content for my  podcast 
>> that I am restarting. I  wood  like  to  try to  use  the  computers 
>> microphone. What  software will  work well  on  my  computer.i will  process 
>> the  recordings whin  I return home from the  trip. Enney good  sujestions?
>> 
>> Maurice Mines.  
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Re: Shutting off series annoying back to back request feature

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Thanks Brad I could’ve used that information along time ago. You’d think that 
that would have been much more widely known. Actually, apples advice wasn’t so 
much incorrect as perhaps unnecessary. It does work as I said it would, but 
knowing all I have to do is thank the little bitch is even better. Thanks Brad 
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> On Jan 7, 2024, at 2:29 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> The workaround information you received from Apple is incorrect.
> To dismiss the Siri Follow-Up feature, all you have to do is simply tell Siri 
> "Thank You." Siri will respond, "You're Welcome", and the  SiriFollow-Up 
> feature is dismissed.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jan 7, 2024, at 12:22, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> The workaround according to Apple Accessibility to get Siri to stop 
> listening for additional requests as though you’re having a fluid 
> conversation with her is to turn on the “type to Siri“ feature in Siri 
> settings. Then, using hey Siri you will only get a single interaction with 
> Siri and not a continued back to back requests cycle. However, if you press 
> the side button with the type of Siri feature on it will bring up the 
> keyboard and require you to type your request to Siri. Again, with that type 
> to Siri feature turned on Hey Siri will eliminate the back-to-back requests 
> and give you a single interaction as in the good old days.
> I made my displeasure known quite clearly and they did tell me that there are 
> working on a permanent fix to this software boondoggle. Whoever got the big 
> raise for coming up with this harebrained idea should be demoted or fired.
> Just my opinion.
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Shutting off series annoying back to back request feature

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The workaround according to Apple Accessibility to get Siri to stop listening 
for additional requests as though you’re having a fluid conversation with her 
is to turn on the “type to Siri“ feature in Siri settings. Then, using hey Siri 
you will only get a single interaction with Siri and not a continued back to 
back requests cycle. However, if you press the side button with the type of 
Siri feature on it will bring up the keyboard and require you to type your 
request to Siri. Again, with that type to Siri feature turned on Hey Siri will 
eliminate the back-to-back requests and give you a single interaction as in the 
good old days.
I made my displeasure known quite clearly and they did tell me that there are 
working on a permanent fix to this software boondoggle. Whoever got the big 
raise for coming up with this harebrained idea should be demoted or fired.
Just my opinion. 
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Re: links in text messages

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Wow, not much of a resolution.☺️
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> On Jan 1, 2024, at 3:06 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks also Jessica and Lori for noting the rotar isn't always reliable
> to activate links. I guess that goes along with learning to use the
> rotar!
> 
> PS: It didn't work on this particular, time-sensitive message. But, that
> doesn't mean it won't work next time.
> 
> Happy New Year!
> Janina
> 
> Jessica Barr writes:
>> That happens to me sometimes too. Someone texted a link to me, and although 
>> Links didn't show up in the rotor, I was able to activate the link by 
>> double-tapping on it. I'm not sure whether that will always work or I was 
>> lucky, but try that and see if it works.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Lorie McCloud 
>> Date: Sunday, December 31, 2023 03:16 PM
>> To: via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: links in text messages
>> 
>> the problem I often have with this is that even though I have links in my 
>> rotor, they don't show up when I need them.
>>>> On Dec 30, 2023, at 10:07 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Set your rotor to "link" then flick up or down to the desired link and 
>>> double tap. I had problems with this one at first too
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 30, 2023, at 10:17???PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What's the way to click a hyperlink that arrives in a text message on
>>>> IOS? I haven't managed to find how that's done, so appreciate any help.
>>>> 
>>>> Janina
>>>> 
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Re: Accidentally deleted App Library app on my iPhone

[Phil Halton]

Janina, which app library are you talking about? Personally I don’t know of any 
“app” library on the iPhone. I know that various apps have their own storage 
areas for example stream writer has a library app of its own but you’re not 
saying which app. Please elaborate. 
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> Yes, I really did do that! Now unsure of how to get it reinstalled. Any
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Re: links in text messages

[Phil Halton]

Set your rotor to “link“ then flick up or down to the desired link and double 
tap. I had problems with this one at first too
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> On Dec 30, 2023, at 10:17 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> What's the way to click a hyperlink that arrives in a text message on
> IOS? I haven't managed to find how that's done, so appreciate any help.
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Microsoft copilot on the Mac

[Phil Halton]

Well, I now have Microsoft copilot installed on my dock on the Mac and so I 
thought I’d ask it a question. I asked her to write me a song about old blind 
banjo players and I was told that it couldn’t do that because the material was 
inappropriate. I was a little shocked because I am an old blind banjo player. 
Question is does this mean that my life and existence is inappropriate or is it 
just my request that’s inappropriate? Should I ask copilot for the answer to 
that question? 
I knew a guy back in the 70s who worked as a computer punch operator back when 
those were a thing. For a joke he typed one out that said “you have been 
computed out of existence, please terminate yourself at once”. Why do I feel 
that all things old are becoming  new again.

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Re: Using Parallels

[Phil Halton]

Well, since we are talking about windows here, let me see if I can sneak in a 
completely off-topic question. I don’t want to go with virtualization. These 
days it’s probably inexpensive enough just to buy a cheap laptop or some kind 
of windows machine. Here’s the question, can anybody recommend something 
inexpensive And functional running windows, it’s not gonna be a power machine 
for me really just a novelty so I can play around with windows and windows 
apps. Any suggestions welcome. Thank you
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> On Dec 30, 2023, at 1:41 PM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
> 
> Hi  it. Comes down to personal chose. The. Real reason that  Microsoft went 
> with  Parallels, is the  two  companies offices are. Vary  close to etch 
> other. I know that  this  a  vary small thing. But is  is true. Both are in  
> a  subvert of. Seattle Washington.
> 
> All  of that  aside, it. Comes down to personal chose.
> 
> For me  Parallels is. Working out  for  me . I hold to  something like  this  
> if  it  is  not  broken don’t  go  and  fix it.
> 
> Maurice Mines.
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2023, at 18:26, Brent Harding  wrote:
>> 
>> This is a shame, as this is the official solution Microsoft recommends. I 
>> think the accessibility is one of those things Microsoft overlooked in 
>> coming to this, as there are trade-offs and benefits of whichever way one 
>> would go to do this kind of thing. On YouTube and other places, many in the 
>> sighted community see Parallels to be superior to Fusion, but if that is 
>> only for the more OSX feel to running Windows only, the looks don't matter 
>> for many of us that can't see it. Maybe it really does bench and perform 
>> better in the real world, especially with the graphics card, which could 
>> affect us if we want to game on it or as Windows adds more AI features that 
>> want to use those capabilities for processing it.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 10:10 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Using Parallels
>> 
>> If you purchase an Apple silicon Mac, you can use Parallels with the version 
>> of Windows for ARM processors, the company has been contacted by several 
>> voiceover users about the lack of accessibility and it appears that the 
>> company has no plans to address it.
>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.
>>> My VO key is caps lock key.
>>> it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some
>>>> degree? I thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover users
>>>> Sent from my IPhone
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>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and 
>>>>> keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It 
>>>>> did for me with VMWare 3 years ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>> I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
>>>>> I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
>>>>> I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
>>>>> Does Anyone have any idea?
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Re: Ailing 2013 MacBook Air

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Thanks for all the information folks, I took a shop vac to the MBA, trying not to suck the keys off the keyboard, and it actually seems to have helped. I thought it might’ve been dust and dirt buildup amongst other things and ,fingers crossed a good vacuuming seem to help a bit.Sent from my IPhoneOn Dec 29, 2023, at 7:39 PM, matthew dyer  wrote:Hi,I had an iMac from 2013 that could only run Catalina.  That thing ran pretty slow even after a fresh install and I just assumed it was old hardware.  The machine finally died after 10 years after a storm fried up the system.  I gave it to someone who need a system since hers was out.  In any event, I am suprizwed that the MBA from 2013 can even run mixer.  I have an Intel Mac mini from 2018 which is still kicking but will have to desire what to do with it at some point after it no goes out of software support.  I thought of turning it into a linux box, but not sure yet.MatthewOn Dec 29, 2023, at 5:59 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:Another possibility besides more resource intenvive software, is dust or link buildup in the venting areas. If you have a nearby Apple store, there is a good chance, that they will take the cover off the bak and blow out accumulated dirt in the system for free.If not, iFixIt should have the tools to open a Macbook, I believe they use a five pointed bolt head to prevent random folks from opening the case.On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 1:23 PM 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:Phil:

I still use my 2013 era Mac Air. I am fully updated to Big Sur, the
lates it seems there will ever be for those older machines.

I can easily get my Air into a situations where the fans are running
almost constantly. My solution is to minimize how many applications I
keep open on the Air. There's an old saying about software expanding to
take advantage of newer, more powerful hardware. I've always thought
those fans are illustrating that old principle.

Best,
Janina

Phil Halton writes:
> I have an older MacBook Air from 2013 that is exhibiting a heck of a lot of fan activity these days. I upgraded to a MacBook Pro with the M3 Pro chip and I???m very happy with it but I???m trying to put some use to the old air. Last night I reinstalled the operating system after doing some first aid through disc utility And there???s still fan activity as far as I can tell. I reinstalled Catalina. I did not do a full erase and clean install, only a reinstall of the OS. I???m wondering, any ideas why all this fan activity is it aging Hardware? Or is it some kind of  Software problem, or even just data problems from years built up without ever erasing and reformatting. I???ll be glad to hear any ideas as to how I can bring this thing back to a reasonably good state of operation and if that means full of erasure and reinstall then I???d be willing to do that. Frankly I don???t see why this thing should be  choking on itself the way it is. Thanks for any advice. 
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Re: Using Parallels

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I remember that sharp keys was the solution I used several years back when I was using VMware to run windows on a Mac. I think at that point VMware also had a facility to do some key remapping and I use that method as well. You won’t go wrong using sharp keys though. I’d kind of like to set up windows on my new killer MacBook Pro with the M3 Pro chip, but I just don’t have the interest anymore. I was thinking of getting some inexpensive laptop with windows installed but I don’t know what’s out there that’s worth buying anymore.  Any suggestions on that line would be appreciated as well. Sent from my IPhoneOn Dec 29, 2023, at 12:02 PM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries  wrote:I’ve heard of that.I’ve also  tried vm where and could never get it to work.On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Kelly Ford <kellford1...@gmail.com> wrote:Hello,The solution I use here is to remap a different key on the Windows VM to be Capslock. I typically turn the accent/tilde key into Capslock. You can find a program called Sharp Keys to do this. It basically edits a registry value.You can also look for PowerToys in the Windows App Store. That also does key remapping.KellyOn Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.My VO key is caps lock key.it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some degree? I thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover usersSent from my IPhoneOn Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It did for me with VMWare 3 years ago.On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:Hi folks.
I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
Does Anyone have any idea?

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Ailing 2013 MacBook Air

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I have an older MacBook Air from 2013 that is exhibiting a heck of a lot of fan 
activity these days. I upgraded to a MacBook Pro with the M3 Pro chip and I’m 
very happy with it but I’m trying to put some use to the old air. Last night I 
reinstalled the operating system after doing some first aid through disc 
utility And there’s still fan activity as far as I can tell. I reinstalled 
Catalina. I did not do a full erase and clean install, only a reinstall of the 
OS. I’m wondering, any ideas why all this fan activity is it aging Hardware? Or 
is it some kind of  Software problem, or even just data problems from years 
built up without ever erasing and reformatting. I’ll be glad to hear any ideas 
as to how I can bring this thing back to a reasonably good state of operation 
and if that means full of erasure and reinstall then I’d be willing to do that. 
Frankly I don’t see why this thing should be  choking on itself the way it is. 
Thanks for any advice. 
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Re: Using Parallels

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Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some degree? I thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover usersSent from my IPhoneOn Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It did for me with VMWare 3 years ago.On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi folks.
I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
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Re: Installing and using Lennox excessively on an old MacBook Air

[Phil Halton]

Totally agree TimI may just do a wipe and clean install of whatever OS it will take and just keep it around for laughs, maybe just hand it off to someone else who needs a computer. Man, I really like the new MacBook Pro with the M3 Pro chip. Really nice computer. Sent from my IPhoneOn Dec 28, 2023, at 11:08 AM, tim m  wrote:

  

  
  
I had no problem installing any flavor of linix on my macbook pro
  mid2009.
The only problem I had was keeping it on the system. Apple don't
  like it and would lose connections and sometimes totally drop boot
  startup.
The best thing to do with old mac's is trash can, unless you can
  rec lame some money for parts.


On 12/27/2023 6:25 PM, mr.robertcole
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  Hi,
I installed Linux Mint Mate, on my 2009 MacBook.
The Linux Screenreader is called Orca.



  
On Dec 27, 2023, at 2:15 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

I’ve been hearing about people using Linux on this list for quite some time and I never really cared until now. I’m wondering, how are people using Lennox from an accessibility standpoint, what screen reader is out there for use. I did my college independent studies using Lennox And so I’m not unfamiliar with it, but I never thought to use it on a Mac. I have an old MacBook Air, a 2013, that’s just collecting dust and I thought I might install Lennox and have a little play around with it. Can someone tell me  How I would go about installing it on my old MacBook Air and what screen reader can I use?
Thanks for any information. By the way, I don’t care what happens to this old MacBook Air, I’ll strip it down and do whatever with it, it’s lucky I didn’t put a bull spike through it
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Installing and using Lennox excessively on an old MacBook Air

[Phil Halton]

I’ve been hearing about people using Linux on this list for quite some time and 
I never really cared until now. I’m wondering, how are people using Lennox from 
an accessibility standpoint, what screen reader is out there for use. I did my 
college independent studies using Lennox And so I’m not unfamiliar with it, but 
I never thought to use it on a Mac. I have an old MacBook Air, a 2013, that’s 
just collecting dust and I thought I might install Lennox and have a little 
play around with it. Can someone tell me  How I would go about installing it on 
my old MacBook Air and what screen reader can I use?
Thanks for any information. By the way, I don’t care what happens to this old 
MacBook Air, I’ll strip it down and do whatever with it, it’s lucky I didn’t 
put a bull spike through it
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Re: Bug in Numbers

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Yes, I’ve been experiencing exactly this for a while now in numbers. My workaround has been too stop interacting with the table and re-interact, doing this several times until I can interact and move the cursor down. Usually when I try to interact with certain tables I get that bong sound when I try to arrow down then Stop interacting re-interact and or down will sometimes then work. I’ve never been completely blocked out of a table but sometimes I have to go through this little dance with numbers to interact and stop interacting once or twice before the arrow keys will move me into the table. I hope that makes sense.  Give it a try, if you can’t interact then stop interacting and then try again until you’re in. I have no idea what causes it. Sent from my IPhoneOn Dec 26, 2023, at 5:15 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:I believe numbers is not as fluid about moving between the Grid and the formula editing box. I can't remember if I was able to use VO-J to jump between them, or if I ended up setting up a VO hotspot. It also might be worth while trying to turn off cursor tracking while in numbers.On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 7:18 AM Brandon Olivares  wrote:I’ve been experiencing this bug in Numbers for a while now. Sometimes when I go into a spreadsheet, I can’t navigate any of the cells. Interacting with the table just results in it making an error noise any time I try to go in any direction, as if there’s nothing in the document, but there clearly is.

Only if I restart Numbers does it work again, but it keeps happening.

Are others experiencing this? I’ve had it for a while now and thought I’d wait to see if it was fixed, but it’s still happening.

Is there any workaround or something I’m doing wrong?

Thanks,
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Re: Separating system volume and voice volume on Mac

[Phil Halton]

Thanks Jurgen, I forgot about these Vio command left and right arrow key 
commands. I haven’t used the Mac in a while, mostly I stick with iOS but I just 
got a new MacBook Pro. Where do you find out more about these commands to read 
about them. is there a voiceover manual that I can access? 
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> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:35 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> Press VO + CMD + Shift + right or left Arrow until you'll reach Volume. Then 
> press up or down Arrow while you're still holding the keys in your left hand.
> 
> 
>> Am 16.12.2023 um 17:26 schrieb Phil Halton :
>> 
>> Is there anyway to differentiate between system media volume and voiceover 
>> volume on the Mac like there is an iOS? I’m trying to record some YouTube 
>> video but in order to get the volume up high enough I have to blast my ears 
>> out with voiceover.
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Re: YouTube audio downloading app

[Phil Halton]

Thanks Brad, I really appreciate your expertise on this list. In 10 minutes I 
just downloaded five hours of recorded video that I would’ve had to spend five 
hours tiptoeing around a microphone and recording it to the best of my ability. 
This is a great and very cut down tool that really does the job. Thanks again
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> On Dec 16, 2023, at 5:19 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> No, works just on the Mac.
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
>> Am 16.12.2023 um 23:01 schrieb Mohammad Fazil :
>> 
>> Would the same version Downey work for both, Mac and iPhone?
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 11:29 AM
>> To: via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: YouTube audio downloading app
>> 
>> Hi,
>> not free but very accessible: Downey 4 on the Mac and Tubecast for iPhone.
>> 
>> 
>>>> Am 16.12.2023 um 19:58 schrieb Phil Halton :
>>> 
>>> I’ve got some YouTube videos from an online seminar that I need to grab the 
>>> audio from. Haven’t done this in a long time and don’t know what’s out 
>>> there for software. Is there a good easy and free YouTube audio grabber for 
>>> either Mac or iOS that you can recommend?
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Re: Query re setting up a new Macbook Air from scratch using Voiceover?

[Phil Halton]

That’s how I just did it with my new MacBook Pro, as Brad says, just open the 
lid and it will power up. Then voiceover will eventually start up on its own, 
if not press the function key plus the command key plus the FN five key and it 
will bring it up. Smooth sailing from there.
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> When you get your new Mac unpacked, just lift the lid to turn it on. Then, 
> let it sit and don't touch it. Voiceover should start on its own after a 
> short period of time. If it doesn't, press Fn + CMD + F5, and VoiceOver will 
> start.
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 16, 2023, at 14:19, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all
> 
> Really hoping you guys can help me here with your collective 
> expertese/experience. I have a new 2022 Macbook Air arriving tomorrow, which 
> I’m very excited about, as I’ve been waiting and saving a long time for it. 
> However, as it’s being delivered to my home it means that I’ve got to try to 
> set it up myself from scratch using Voiceover.
> 
> I’ve never done this myself before, so I’m really hoping that someone can 
> reply to this message with some truly idiot-proof/step-by-step instructions 
> that I can follow to set it up without making any catastrophic 
> mistakes/crashing the machine before I’ve even got going!! I mean, for a 
> start, how on earth do you even get Voiceover to come on when you first turn 
> on the Mac so that you can set it all up?
> 
> As you can see, I really do have no idea what I’m doing with this one. So any 
> help/guidance anyone can give from the point of view of someone with no sight 
> doing this really would be very much appreciated and most gratefully received.
> 
> Thanks so much for any responses.
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YouTube audio downloading app

[Phil Halton]

I’ve got some YouTube videos from an online seminar that I need to grab the 
audio from. Haven’t done this in a long time and don’t know what’s out there 
for software. Is there a good easy and free YouTube audio grabber for either 
Mac or iOS that you can recommend?
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Separating system volume and voice volume on Mac

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Is there anyway to differentiate between system media volume and voiceover 
volume on the Mac like there is an iOS? I’m trying to record some YouTube video 
but in order to get the volume up high enough I have to blast my ears out with 
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Re: Voice control on Mac running Sonoma

[Phil Halton]

Yes Gabe you’re right, on the Mac voice control interprets what it hears from 
voice as your dictation which gets some pretty screwy results as you say. In 
order to use it you really have to use headphones to keep voiceover in your ear 
and not in voice controls microphone ear. All that said I’ve decided to ditch 
it and just stick with the dictation feature to enter text. Works very very 
well and it can save a whole lot of typing and where in tear on the carpal 
tunnel situation. 
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> On Dec 6, 2023, at 11:37 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I've never used voice control on a Mac. However, I can say that I do not 
> recommend it at least on an iOS device for someone who uses VoiceOver. It 
> tends to listen to everything you say and in a text message or email you can 
> get double entries of everything because it thinks you're also dictating. I 
> don't know if the Mac would have the same behaviors but if forced to guess 
> would say it probably will.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:27 PM, kd0iko2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I use dictation for all my r
>> 
>> written correspondence. Unfortunately compost dictation creates more issues 
>> than it solves. So I am forced to use Dragon professional standalone. I'm 
>> using version 15.60. I know the company has a version 16. When using J-Say 
>> along with Jaws for windows. This setup seems to be working reasonably well. 
>> As most will remember I use parallels desktop Pro. This is because this is 
>> the only official Microsoft, and Apple officially sanctioned, and supported 
>> configuration one running Windows on a Aram Mac.
>> 
>> Sometimes I do use "voice control" but I find that some of the word 
>> predictions because of using AI can be a bit tricky. The solution I'm using 
>> seems to be working well for the most part. Unfortunately, no dictation 
>> solution is going to be 100% accurate.
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Phil Halton
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2023 9:47 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Voice control on Mac running Sonoma
>> 
>> Hi Kelly, thanks. I do use dictation but I’m hoping to look into voice 
>> control for the editing commands it has. It’s funny how we never read a full 
>> message and miss so much. You’ll notice that I said in my message that I 
>> used dictation for the bulk of my typing. Funny how that works.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 4:14 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I don’t use Voice Control but I do use Dictation fairly often to enter 
>>> text.  You can configure this so a double press for example of the control 
>>> key turns on dictation, enter your text by voice and tap control again.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Is anyone successfully using voice control features to work with 
>>>> documents, creating, editing etc.? I can see how it might have 
>>>> possibilities although it’s for certain that you have to wear headphones 
>>>> or take some precautions so that voiceover output isn’t bled in and 
>>>> mistaken as your commands by voice control. That leads to some very 
>>>> interesting recursive activity. Anyway, I have carpal tunnel problems and 
>>>> don’t want to aggravate them with excessive typing. If this is a viable 
>>>> solution that is voice control commands in text documents, that would be a 
>>>> great thing for me. As of now, with my new MacBook Pro running Sonoma, I 
>>>> have discovered how to use dictation to do the bulk of my typing, but also 
>>>> want to explore the possibilities for voice control with its extensive 
>>>> editing commands. I’m hoping somebody out there is using voice control 
>>>> successfully to work with their Mac. Please let me know how it’s working 
>>>> for you.
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Re: Voice control on Mac running Sonoma

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Hi Kelly, thanks. I do use dictation but I’m hoping to look into voice control 
for the editing commands it has. It’s funny how we never read a full message 
and miss so much. You’ll notice that I said in my message that I used dictation 
for the bulk of my typing. Funny how that works.
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> On Dec 6, 2023, at 4:14 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don’t use Voice Control but I do use Dictation fairly often to enter text.  
> You can configure this so a double press for example of the control key turns 
> on dictation, enter your text by voice and tap control again.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> Is anyone successfully using voice control features to work with documents, 
>> creating, editing etc.? I can see how it might have possibilities although 
>> it’s for certain that you have to wear headphones or take some precautions 
>> so that voiceover output isn’t bled in and mistaken as your commands by 
>> voice control. That leads to some very interesting recursive activity. 
>> Anyway, I have carpal tunnel problems and don’t want to aggravate them with 
>> excessive typing. If this is a viable solution that is voice control 
>> commands in text documents, that would be a great thing for me. As of now, 
>> with my new MacBook Pro running Sonoma, I have discovered how to use 
>> dictation to do the bulk of my typing, but also want to explore the 
>> possibilities for voice control with its extensive editing commands. I’m 
>> hoping somebody out there is using voice control successfully to work with 
>> their Mac. Please let me know how it’s working for you.
>> Sent from my IPhone
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Voice control on Mac running Sonoma

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Is anyone successfully using voice control features to work with documents, 
creating, editing etc.? I can see how it might have possibilities although it’s 
for certain that you have to wear headphones or take some precautions so that 
voiceover output isn’t bled in and mistaken as your commands by voice control. 
That leads to some very interesting recursive activity. Anyway, I have carpal 
tunnel problems and don’t want to aggravate them with excessive typing. If this 
is a viable solution that is voice control commands in text documents, that 
would be a great thing for me. As of now, with my new MacBook Pro running 
Sonoma, I have discovered how to use dictation to do the bulk of my typing, but 
also want to explore the possibilities for voice control with its extensive 
editing commands. I’m hoping somebody out there is using voice control 
successfully to work with their Mac. Please let me know how it’s working for 
you. 
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New Sonoma user has questions I’ve been using Catalina on a MacBook Air and my iOS device with iOS 17 for the longest time. Now I have a new MacBook Pro with Sonoma and I love the thing except for the

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Re: Old dinosaur looking to upgrade

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Well, I decided on the MacBook Pro with M3 and a 16 GB memory upgrade. But then I noticed that I couldn’t get it for 2 1/2 weeks whereas the base models were all available that day. So, I made an emotional decision and upgraded to the MacBook Pro with M3 Pro which has 18 gig unified ram. Yes, I went ahead and made an emotional decision and bought because I wanted it that day. Anyway, it’s a great machine probably more than I need, but that’s OK too. I do do some sound processing and I just like the MacBook Pro over the air. So far I’m pretty happy with it I finally got everything installed the way I like it and it’s gonna be a great machine I can tell. Sent from my IPhoneOn Dec 3, 2023, at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:Well, I implied the M2 vs M3 debate.Right now only Mac Book Pros have the M3 series of chips, the AIR  still come with M2.The MacBookPro do have a display that is twice as bright if you have vision that can take advantage of that.All of the MacBooks’s power buttons double as touch ID, so if you have enough dexterity to use the power button then you shouldn’t need to have touch ID on the keyboard.That being said, if you are not traveling with the computer then getting a MacMini might be a good idea. You can hook up a very inexpensive display or the Studio display and get as powerful a system without paying for a keyboard and/or display  that you don’t plan to use. Generally, unless you manage what’s is open on your system, having more shared memory will be more important than  additional cores which is what the M3 is giving you. If you are doing sound processing or visual processing then you might need the extra processing of the M3. If you are doing eMail and Web browsing or small business accounting, I would expect putting the cost difference between a AIR with M2 and a Pro with M3 would better be placed in shared memory or additional storage.  
		Best wishes,Jonathan Cohn

On Dec 2, 2023, at 8:35 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:Jonathan, thanks for answering. Do you have anything more substantial to say about the reasons why you would suggest the air over the MacBook Pro? For example how about my question concerning the  M2 chip in the MacBook Air versus the M3 chip in the MacBook Pro? And also about the touch ID sensor on the external keyboards?Sent from my IPhoneOn Dec 1, 2023, at 8:52 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:I would suggest getting a top of the line AIR instead of a base model MacBook Pro. They should be about the same price but the additional memory and storage will probably be more beneficial then Ray tracing or a few more cores in  the processor.But then I’m still running a 2015 Mac Book Air 11.
		Best wishes,Jonathan Cohn

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Re: Old dinosaur looking to upgrade

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Jonathan, thanks for answering. Do you have anything more substantial to say about the reasons why you would suggest the air over the MacBook Pro? For example how about my question concerning the  M2 chip in the MacBook Air versus the M3 chip in the MacBook Pro? And also about the touch ID sensor on the external keyboards?Sent from my IPhoneOn Dec 1, 2023, at 8:52 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:I would suggest getting a top of the line AIR instead of a base model MacBook Pro. They should be about the same price but the additional memory and storage will probably be more beneficial then Ray tracing or a few more cores in  the processor.But then I’m still running a 2015 Mac Book Air 11.
		Best wishes,Jonathan Cohn

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Old dinosaur looking to upgrade

[Phil Halton]

I currently use a MacBook Air 2013 and maybe it's the season, but I'm thinking 
of upgrading. I'm looking at a base model MacBookPro 14 inch with the m3 chip. 
I'm not a power user anymore so I'm thinking this will do fine.
I'm just wondering about a few things such as, is the M2 chip in the 15 inch 
MacBookAir that much less powerful than the M3 in the MacBookPro, and is the 
Air worth considering?
Then there is the external keyboard question. I need an external to minimize 
the impact on carpal tunnel and the Magic keyboards seem to have some  features 
like touch ID, and keypad. I don't need the keypad, but the touch ID might be 
useful. Is touch ID worth the extra money? Currently I get by just fine with an 
old external apple keyboard with no features, but I don't know what the newest 
machines are like and what might be a real benefit.
I'd appreciate any helpful information you can give me on the latest and 
greatest from Apple Macs.

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Side button behaviors in iOS 17

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OK, in iOS 17 it seems they’ve changed the behavior of the side button for use 
with Siri. It used to be that you would hold the button and wait for the sound 
and then speak to Siri. You would have to do this for each request of Siri. 
Now, it seems that you press the button and you don’t get the sound you just 
make your request and then Siri responds with the sound And the result. Then it 
keeps listening for repeated requests. This is screwing me up bad, how can I 
get it to just relinquish control after the first request and go away. In other 
words how can I get it to behave the way it used to. 
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iOS 17 double tap sensitivity problem

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Since upgrading to iOS 17 I’m having a lot of trouble with the one finger 
double tap gesture. It’s really overly sensitive and precise now and often my 
old double tap gesture does not work. Is anyone else noticing this? I was 
looking for some setting where you can set the sensitivity level but I can’t 
seem to find it in settings. Anybody know where to find such a setting?
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Re: Recording the screen in QuickTime Player.

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If I remember from my time working with QuickTime, the stop button is on 
labeled. It should be in the place where the record button was, so, if you 
don’t move around after pressing record, then just pressing enter again will 
effectively press the stop button.

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> I am trying to explain a bug for the accessibility team I have in the mail 
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> SO I would like to do a screen recording and show them the issue I have.
> I know how to start the recording but how do I stop it?
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Re: Recommendation needed for iPhone external microphone

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I’m using 813, why, does it matter what model?

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> Which model iPhone?
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2023, at 18:50, Phil Halton  wrote:
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>> It’s really hard to sift through all the advertisements out there for iPhone 
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>> What I am looking for: it must be an Omni directional microphone, not a 
>> cardio and pattern. Hopefully a good quality omnidirectional condenser mic 
>> and that would make me happy. Please any recommendations welcome.
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Recommendation needed for iPhone external microphone

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It’s really hard to sift through all the advertisements out there for iPhone 
external mics so I’m asking here hoping someone is using a great product. What 
I am looking for: it must be an Omni directional microphone, not a cardio and 
pattern. Hopefully a good quality omnidirectional condenser mic and that would 
make me happy. Please any recommendations welcome.

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Re: My first ever Zoom call on a mac and I'm really worried

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I’m not a regular zoom user, but my last zoom there was a problem with 
voiceover bleeding in to my audio channel. It was a distraction for the other 
meeting members. You might want to think about perhaps muting voiceover, or 
using some in your earbuds so only you hear the voice over.

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> Do not worry. Zoom on the Mac is quite simple. However, when you click the 
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> in that way. You can also download the  /Zoom USA app from the ‘’zoom site. 
> Try it out a few times before the meeting to familiarize yourself with all of 
> of the options and keyboard equivalents. I also remind everyone to go to the 
> Menu bar and experiment. And, as always, if you get stuck, Google it. Yes, I 
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>>> meeting before.  They sent me a link, and then some ID numbers.  If I click 
>>> the link, will it automatically connect me to the person who issued the 
>>> invitation?  Do I need to do anything else of importance once in Zoom 
>>> window?
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Reducing or eliminating ad interruptions on iOS safari

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Add interruptions on safari using iOS are making Safari almost unusable when 
searching through a Google search. When I load a page I’m constantly 
interrupted with ad loading. I’ve tried turning off pop-up blocking in Safari 
settings and I have tried using the reader in page settings both are suggested 
by Apple, but neither seem to block the stupid ads. What can I do Aside from 
throwing the iPhone at the wall? Any help appreciate it 

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Re: attachments in mail on an iPhone

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Usually I find them at the very end of the email message. A move to the toolbar 
is at the bottom of the screen and then start flicking left until I enter the 
message and there it usually is.

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> Lately, it has become a bit difficult to find attachment in an open message 
> by swiping. What I do, I explore the middle of the screen with finger and 
> when my tip touches it, voiceover says image and reads its text if there is 
> any after a little pause.
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> -Original Message-
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> I got an email that the sender says has an attachment. I'm away from home 
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Re: iOS recording app

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Thanks, voice memos looks like the winner, but I’m going to check out just play record too. That sounds like a good app to use.Sent from my IPhoneOn Aug 9, 2023, at 8:56 PM, minh Tam ha  wrote:Just Press Record is great for an easy, no frills recording app. You can use the magic tap to start and stop recording and all recordings are available to play right in the app. It also has a great Apple watch app that literally starts recording as soon as you open it.On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 6:34 PM Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:Yes Lori, I use RecUp too. But I want to be able to play back immediately without having to go into the dropbox files folder and find the recording. Maybe I’ll check out that voice memos built-in app it’s been a while since I’ve looked at it.

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> most of the time I use Rec Up or whatever it’s called. it used to be dropvox. the reason I like it is that it sends the recording to dropbox and then you can do anything with the recording that you want. of course you have to have dropbox for it to work. it’s extremely easy to use.
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>> I’m looking for a simple, no-frills recording app for the iPhone. Just a straightforward record/playback type of app that is easy and uncomplicated to use. Any suggestions?
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Re: iOS recording app

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Yes Lori, I use RecUp too. But I want to be able to play back immediately 
without having to go into the dropbox files folder and find the recording. 
Maybe I’ll check out that voice memos built-in app it’s been a while since I’ve 
looked at it.

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> most of the time I use Rec Up or whatever it’s called. it used to be 
> dropvox. the reason I like it is that it sends the recording to dropbox and 
> then you can do anything with the recording that you want. of course you have 
> to have dropbox for it to work. it’s extremely easy to use.
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>> I’m looking for a simple, no-frills recording app for the iPhone. Just a 
>> straightforward record/playback type of app that is easy and uncomplicated 
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iOS recording app

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I’m looking for a simple, no-frills recording app for the iPhone. Just a 
straightforward record/playback type of app that is easy and uncomplicated to 
use. Any suggestions?

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Siri dictation on iPhone

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With some recent release, Siri has become, comma happy. When I dictate things 
to her, she automatically inserts commas and probably other punctuation. I’m 
not aware of into my text. There’s got to be a setting to turn this off 
somewhere, any help?

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Re: Reading pdf books

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You don’t need any particular app, there’s one built-in to the Mac I think it’s 
called preview. But, it’s somewhat limited, and a lot of people use specialized 
apps for reading PDF files.  Preview is the app that opens up your PDF file   
By default. I particularly like to use the ios voice dream reader app instead , 
but there are others out there and I’m sure others can help you.

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> Hi
> I did not no I needed a certain app to read the pdf. I have the pdf books 
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> You didn’t say what app you are using to read the PDF. Personally, I always 
> use voice dream reader for all my reading. It seems to be the best most 
> accessible interface for reading most types of documents.
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>> Hi, all, I was able to open the PDF book in my documents. How do I jump to 
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Re: Reading pdf books

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You didn’t say what app you are using to read the PDF. Personally, I always use 
voice dream reader for all my reading. It seems to be the best most accessible 
interface for reading most types of documents.

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Item chooser in iOS

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Has anyone else noticed that the item chooser in iOS, activated with a two 
finger triple tap, is very unreliable? I find that it rarely works in webpages 
with a lot of links. Or, sometimes it will work once, and no more while on that 
same page. is item chooser unable to handle a large number of links? 

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App accessible dehumidifiers

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I need a dehumidifier that I can control either by an iOS app or through Alexa. 
Does anybody have experience with dehumidifiers? There are brands like 
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Re: Face ID has stopped working systemwide on iPhone 13

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At the suggestion of Apple support, I upgraded from 16.1 to 16.5 latest iOS and 
then reset Face ID. Now it works. Thanks for yourhelp.

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> Apologies for the obvious question, but have you made sure that the glass 
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> with a consistent symptom like this, I would first check to see if there may 
> be anything obstructing the camera / sensors.
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> Hope this helps and apologies if you’ve already done this.
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> Cheers!
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>> For some reason the Face ID feature on my iPhone 13 has stopped working 
>> throughout the system, and on all apps that use it. I have done the 
>> following: rebooted the phone, always a good first step. Then I went into 
>> Face ID settings and reset Face ID, and made sure that requires attention 
>> was not turned on. Still no joy, I cannot log into any of the apps that use 
>> Face ID for some reason I just get the “face not recognized “message 
>> consistently. Any ideas before I call Apple?
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Face ID has stopped working systemwide on iPhone 13

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For some reason the Face ID feature on my iPhone 13 has stopped working 
throughout the system, and on all apps that use it. I have done the following: 
rebooted the phone, always a good first step. Then I went into Face ID settings 
and reset Face ID, and made sure that requires attention was not turned on. 
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reason I just get the “face not recognized “message consistently. Any ideas 
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Annoying sound effect in Mac music app

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When playing a music app radio station, between songs, I get that annoying 
happy sound, three rapid ascending beeps, just like you get on the iPhone. This 
sound effect just showed up today so probably an update? Any way to shut off 
sound effects, indicating transition to new song in the Mac music app?

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PayPal on Mac safari

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What the heck is wrong with PayPal using Safari on the Mac? I just sent the 
payment. Got all the way to the end, selecting the proper payment source, and 
there was no send button anywhere to be found. I had to cancel out of it and 
make the payment on my iPhone. At least there there is a send button. Any clue 
as to what’s wrong with PayPal? Any known workaround to this problem? 

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Can’t downgrade iCloud storage

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I’m trying to downgrade my iCloud storage from the 50 GB back to the free 5 GB. 
I’ve deleted all the data in excess of the five gig limit and I can select the 
5 GB plan in iOS settings under manage iCloud storage, but I can’t complete the 
action because the done button is grayed out. It will let me upgrade Not 
downgrade. What gives with Apple. I know it’s only $.99 a month but come on. 
Why can I not downgrade. One thought, I deleted the excess data only a few 
minutes before trying to downgrade although the iPhone showed only 1.5 gig of 
the 50 gig used. I was wondering if there’s a lag time for the system to 
recognize that it’s OK to downgrade? Who knows? Just grabbing at straws. 

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Re: A good translation app for iOS

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Thanks Andrews, I think I’ll probably try that Google translate app.Sent from my IPhoneOn Apr 2, 2023, at 2:44 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:Hi!She can not translate to Swedish anyway so I use google translate./A31 mars 2023 kl. 20:45 skrev Phil Halton :That’s not true Anders. I used to do this all the time with iOS 15. I’m not saying that 16 is the culprit, but ever since the upgrade to iOS 16, the translation won’t stay on the screen for me to review it. Siri just kicks back out to the listen. Screen erasing the text from the translation.Sent from my IPhoneOn Mar 31, 2023, at 10:55 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:Hi!The only way of having your phone translating the way you want that I know of is to get an android phone.I had a Nokia 8 and you could actually ask it things in Swedish and it translated it into Swedish.I guess the translation app from google is more integrated on android than on apple./A30 mars 2023 kl. 21:24 skrev minh Tam ha :Phil, there is a Google Translate app for iOS. I don't know if there's a way to create a shortcut of some kind to ask Siri to translate something but it goes to the Google Translate app instead, though I've heard of assistant finagling before so it's probably not out of the realm of possibility.If you just want to be able to navigate by word/character, after you ask Siri to translate something, the translation is shown on the screen and you can use rotor gestures to read by word/character.MinhOn Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 2:33 PM Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:I want to be able to ask my iPhone, “how do I say XXX or whatever, in Spanish“. And then I want to be able to review on screen word by word or character by character the response. I don’t wanna use a desktop app.

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Re: A good translation app for iOS

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That’s not true Anders. I used to do this all the time with iOS 15. I’m not saying that 16 is the culprit, but ever since the upgrade to iOS 16, the translation won’t stay on the screen for me to review it. Siri just kicks back out to the listen. Screen erasing the text from the translation.Sent from my IPhoneOn Mar 31, 2023, at 10:55 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:Hi!The only way of having your phone translating the way you want that I know of is to get an android phone.I had a Nokia 8 and you could actually ask it things in Swedish and it translated it into Swedish.I guess the translation app from google is more integrated on android than on apple./A30 mars 2023 kl. 21:24 skrev minh Tam ha :Phil, there is a Google Translate app for iOS. I don't know if there's a way to create a shortcut of some kind to ask Siri to translate something but it goes to the Google Translate app instead, though I've heard of assistant finagling before so it's probably not out of the realm of possibility.If you just want to be able to navigate by word/character, after you ask Siri to translate something, the translation is shown on the screen and you can use rotor gestures to read by word/character.MinhOn Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 2:33 PM Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:I want to be able to ask my iPhone, “how do I say XXX or whatever, in Spanish“. And then I want to be able to review on screen word by word or character by character the response. I don’t wanna use a desktop app.

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Re: A good translation app for iOS

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That is how are used to operate, I would just read the translation on the screen, but then, with iOS 16, the screen reverts back to a Siri screen and illuminates the text from the screen. It’s very frustrating. Maybe there’s a setting that I have to look at in settings app. But again I can’t review the text on screen, because Siri wipes it out and reverts back to the “listen“ screen. Sent from my IPhoneOn Mar 30, 2023, at 3:24 PM, minh Tam ha  wrote:Phil, there is a Google Translate app for iOS. I don't know if there's a way to create a shortcut of some kind to ask Siri to translate something but it goes to the Google Translate app instead, though I've heard of assistant finagling before so it's probably not out of the realm of possibility.If you just want to be able to navigate by word/character, after you ask Siri to translate something, the translation is shown on the screen and you can use rotor gestures to read by word/character.MinhOn Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 2:33 PM Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:I want to be able to ask my iPhone, “how do I say XXX or whatever, in Spanish“. And then I want to be able to review on screen word by word or character by character the response. I don’t wanna use a desktop app.

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Re: A good translation app for iOS

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I want to be able to ask my iPhone, “how do I say XXX or whatever, in Spanish“. 
And then I want to be able to review on screen word by word or character by 
character the response. I don’t wanna use a desktop app.

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> I solely rely on Google Translate for all my translation needs. 
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>> Is there a good and accessible translation app for iOS? I find the stock 
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A good translation app for iOS

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Is there a good and accessible translation app for iOS? I find the stock 
translation app that comes with iOS to be a bit lame and unusable.

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Re: Finding out which song is playing in the music app

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And, you can always ask Siri “what song, or what album, or what artist, is this “.Sent from my IPhoneOn Mar 27, 2023, at 2:03 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:You can also find out on the lock screen.On Mar 27, 2023, at 12:32, Patrick Ford  wrote:Hi, when the now playing screen is optimized song titles and more are available to the listener.On Mar 27, 2023, at 12:53 PM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:Hello:I have iOS 16.4 running on an iPhone 12 pro max.I’ve just noticed that when you’re in the music app you cannot tell which song is being played.Does anybody know if there’s any specific settings you should have set up an order to make this happen? I used to remember that it said now playing before the song name. Any suggestions would be appreciated thanks!

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Re: Dropbox media files mess

[Phil Halton]

I didn’t D sync from dropbox. I simply copied particular folders from dropbox 
and dropped them into iCloud folders. One strange thing I didn’t notice, the 
first time around I tried to just copy the whole dropbox folder and put it into 
iCloud. It did move, but the files app couldn’t see anything in it. Then I 
decided to just move individual folders from subdirectories out of the main 
dropbox, and they showed up fine in the files iOS app.

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>    Did you desync everything that was synced with DB on the Mac And did you 
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>> On 3/11/2023 1:51 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> No Herbie, I haven’t reinstalled Dropbox  on the Mac,, mostly because the 
>> Dropbox iOS app works perfectly well, and I can access all my stuff. It’s 
>> only when I try to use local apps on my Mac that I get weird results. I’m 
>> thinking of just sticking with Dropbox, I just don’t have the energy or the 
>> interest to try to debug an OS X problem. I did do a thorough first a check 
>> on the Macintosh HD volume from within recovery mode, but haven’t checked 
>> out to see whether that’s made a difference.
>> How would I do that by the way, go to dropbox.com and get a new installer, 
>> and then just open the installer package locally and let it overwrite the 
>> old dropbox? What I need to log out first etc.? Sent from my IPhone
>>>> On Mar 11, 2023, at 1:14 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This sounds like an extension of the issues you are already experiencing. 
>>> Something is not sinking correctly in Dropbox. Have you tried reinstalling 
>>> Dropbox?
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 11, 2023, at 11:44, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I planned to cancel my dropbox subscription and made a copy of everything 
>>>> in dropbox and place it in iCloud. It totals less than 30gb. But, media 
>>>> files like mp3, m4a, etc are problematic. Trying to open any media file in 
>>>> either iCloud or the local dropbox folders is most likely to result in an 
>>>> error message or just unable to open it. Its really hit or miss as some 
>>>> files will open, others will not. However, everything opens and plays 
>>>> perfectly well using the IOS dropbox app. I've come to believe that it is 
>>>> not dropbox' fault, but that something is really screwed up on my side.
>>>> I've never done a clean upgrade or install of the various OSX updates and 
>>>> I thing that maybe my file associations are a bit messed up. That's all I 
>>>> can figure.
>>>> So, I either go back to Dropbox with tail between my legs and pay the 
>>>> renewal subscription, or I pull my hair out trying to fix this media file 
>>>> mess.
>>>> Any thoughts, feelings, admonitions, suggestions, quick fixes, etc?
>>>> 
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Re: Dropbox media files mess

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No Herbie, I haven’t reinstalled Dropbox  on the Mac,, mostly because the 
Dropbox iOS app works perfectly well, and I can access all my stuff. It’s only 
when I try to use local apps on my Mac that I get weird results. I’m thinking 
of just sticking with Dropbox, I just don’t have the energy or the interest to 
try to debug an OS X problem. I did do a thorough first a check on the 
Macintosh HD volume from within recovery mode, but haven’t checked out to see 
whether that’s made a difference.

How would I do that by the way, go to dropbox.com and get a new installer, and 
then just open the installer package locally and let it overwrite the old 
dropbox? What I need to log out first etc.? Sent from my IPhone


> On Mar 11, 2023, at 1:14 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> This sounds like an extension of the issues you are already experiencing. 
> Something is not sinking correctly in Dropbox. Have you tried reinstalling 
> Dropbox? 
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2023, at 11:44, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I planned to cancel my dropbox subscription and made a copy of everything in 
>> dropbox and place it in iCloud. It totals less than 30gb. But, media files 
>> like mp3, m4a, etc are problematic. Trying to open any media file in either 
>> iCloud or the local dropbox folders is most likely to result in an error 
>> message or just unable to open it. Its really hit or miss as some files will 
>> open, others will not. However, everything opens and plays perfectly well 
>> using the IOS dropbox app. I've come to believe that it is not dropbox' 
>> fault, but that something is really screwed up on my side.
>> I've never done a clean upgrade or install of the various OSX updates and I 
>> thing that maybe my file associations are a bit messed up. That's all I can 
>> figure.
>> So, I either go back to Dropbox with tail between my legs and pay the 
>> renewal subscription, or I pull my hair out trying to fix this media file 
>> mess.
>> Any thoughts, feelings, admonitions, suggestions, quick fixes, etc?
>> 
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Dropbox media files mess

[Phil Halton]

I planned to cancel my dropbox subscription and made a copy of everything in 
dropbox and place it in iCloud. It totals less than 30gb. But, media files like 
mp3, m4a, etc are problematic. Trying to open any media file in either iCloud 
or the local dropbox folders is most likely to result in an error message or 
just unable to open it. Its really hit or miss as some files will open, others 
will not. However, everything opens and plays perfectly well using the IOS 
dropbox app. I've come to believe that it is not dropbox' fault, but that 
something is really screwed up on my side.
I've never done a clean upgrade or install of the various OSX updates and I 
thing that maybe my file associations are a bit messed up. That's all I can 
figure.
So, I either go back to Dropbox with tail between my legs and pay the renewal 
subscription, or I pull my hair out trying to fix this media file mess.
Any thoughts, feelings, admonitions, suggestions, quick fixes, etc?


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Re: Dropbox syncing issues

[Phil Halton]

Hi Herbie, I tried just about everything, including what you suggested, and no 
joy. On a bright note, though I just whacked dropbox after having been with 
them for almost 20 years and boy, did it feel good! They wanted 10 bucks a 
month for nothing and I can get the same storage for $.99 a month on iCloud. I 
just cut my losses and wrote those evidently corrupted files off. I’ve saved 
everything I need from Dropbox and you know, when you go through and do some 
housecleaning, you find out exactly how much you don’t need anymore.

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> I have not had this issue, but I wonder if the folder fully downloaded? Do 
> you keep the app running on the Mac? Also, what happens if you access the 
> folder by going to the Dropbox app in the Apps folder?
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>> On Mar 9, 2023, at 08:28, Phil Halton  wrote:
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>> OK, I re-synced several folders from dropbox.com back down onto my max hard 
>> drive. I am able to access the contents of these files if I use the dropbox 
>> iOS app, but if I use the max file browser and try to open them, I can’t get 
>> them to open. I have tried opening them with a different apps, etc., but I 
>> keep getting incompatibility messages and the lake. Anybody else ever 
>> experienced this? I know I have had this problem in the past and forgot what 
>> my fix was.
>> 
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Dropbox syncing issues

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OK, I re-synced several folders from dropbox.com back down onto my max hard 
drive. I am able to access the contents of these files if I use the dropbox iOS 
app, but if I use the max file browser and try to open them, I can’t get them 
to open. I have tried opening them with a different apps, etc., but I keep 
getting incompatibility messages and the lake. Anybody else ever experienced 
this? I know I have had this problem in the past and forgot what my fix was.

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My files don’t show up in the iOS files app on iCloud

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OK, so I upgraded to a 50 GB storage plan on iCloud, and then I transferred a 
slew of files into the iCloud Drive. I made a new folder, called my stuff, not 
that that’s important, and just copied an entire directories structure from my 
local dropbox files into that iCloud folder. Well, From the Mac side, I can 
enter the iCloud Drive account and find all those files and they are all 
accessible, but on my iPhone when I load the Files app, that folder reports as 
“empty“. I’ve tried its actions, manual and download come I just don’t know 
what to do. Any ideas why these files are showing up fine on macOS side but not 
at all on the Files app in iOS? 

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Ditching dropbox for iCloud Drive

[Phil Halton]

My dropbox subscription is coming up for renewal and I'm thinking about 
cancelling and just going with iCloud drive storage. I have less than 
30Gigabyte of files that I want to keep and that'll cost me .99 cents instead 
of $10 per month for fropbox's 2 terabyte.

Question: I see a handful of preloaded folders in my iCloud drive but can I 
just throw files into it as desired just like I would with Dropbox? or, is 
iCloud drive regulated somehow and only for application folders?
I hope I am making sense with this question. I'd just like to know I can use 
iCloud drive in the same way as I do dropbox before going ahead with the switch.

And, how is the files app involved with iCloud drive? is that the interface for 
iCloud on ios?


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Re: Mac os

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Karen, did you really mean to say make uninformed decisions? Maybe you should 
turn off the auto spellchecker☺️. Perhaps you could dial back the snootyness a 
little bit too. There was nothing condescending in Brad’s remark. The 
perception of condescension is in your mind only. It really sucks when we 
correct each other in public forums doesn’t it?
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> I have seen someone on YouTube doing this but it seems quite complicated so I 
> suggest you take the chance to get a new Mac.
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Siri sound on iOS 16

[Phil Halton]

I just upgraded to iOS 16 and it seems to have changed the sound for Siri when 
you press the side button to get her attention. I really don’t like this sound, 
in fact, when I’m out and about I can’t really hear it because of ambient 
noise.  The same goes for the sound when double tapping for dictation. Is there 
a setting to get back to a more irritating and abrasive sound. This one is just 
too soft and mellow. Yes, I know, I prefer irritating to mellow. That’s just 
the kind of guy I am.☺️

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Re: An announcement about an upcoming Mac Training course

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I didn’t see any price information. Is this a free course?Sent from my IPhoneOn Feb 18, 2023, at 10:21 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:Yes. The course has a focus on methods of navigation as well as understandning how the mac works.On Feb 18, 2023, at 20:53, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Would this be useful for someone who can use all these applications, but was never formally introduced to the Mac?
Devin Praterd.pra...@me.comHttps://devinprater.micro.blog

On Feb 18, 2023, at 8:27 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:iBUG Today is pleased to announce that we will be offering a 12-week Mac course beginning Tuesday, March 7, 2023. Sessions take place every Tuesday evening on Zoom from 7:00 to 8:15 PM Central Time. There is also a review session every Thursday from 5:30 to 6:30 Central time.The course requirements and topics are listed below.1. Participate in all classes with no more than one absence.2. Attend at least half of all study sessions.3. Complete homework assignments, which include reading, Mac practice, and providing oral answers to some of the focus questions from each lesson.4. Attend the monthly iBUG Mac-N-Talk conference call. Three are included in this course.5. Must be able to follow classroom instruction consisting of lecture and live demonstrations.6. All course sessions are conducted in a group format; one-on-one training will not be provided.7. Basic knowledge of Windows, iOS, and/or other operating systems may be useful as a reference point but is not required.8. The course will be most beneficial for students who have Macs newer than 2017 that are compatible with macOS 13 Ventura.All sessions will be conducted via Zoom remote conferencing, a free application available for both computer and phone that may be found at http://zoom.us and in the iOS and Android app stores.Lecture recordings will be made available to review class material between sessions. The recorded sessions may also be posted to the iBUG Today website and social media for use by interested individuals who are not otherwise able to take the course. Please do not sign up if you are uncomfortable being recorded.During the class, you will be part of an email list for the receiving of announcements and discussion of course material.TopicsMarch 7: Getting Started with the Mac Part 1: VoiceOver Basics and Mac LayoutMarch 14: Getting Started with the Mac Part 2: Accessibility Settings and VoiceOver UtilityMarch 21: Siri, Dictation, and System SettingsMarch 28: Mac-N-TalkApril 4: FinderApril 11: Safari Part 1April 18: Safari Part 2April 25: Mac-N-TalkMay 2: TextEditMay 9: Mail Part 1May 16: Mail Part 2May 23: Mac-N-TalkIf you are interested in enrolling, please complete the course application at https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc-bXX_38CWIS7sUY0nC_7IDAqUfAXKb9LG4jt4ihQd6lPT1A/viewform?usp=sf_link. Please direct course inquiries to the iBUG Today team at mactraining.ibugto...@gmail.com. The RSVP deadline is Tuesday, February 28 2023.Regards,The iBUG Today Team

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Re: iOS upgrade to 16.3?

[Phil Halton]

I don’t need blanket assurances or anything, I just asked because I thought I 
remembered hearing a little more chatter than normal about this new version 16 
having more troubles than most. Anyway, I think I’ll go ahead and update. Thanks

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> On Feb 14, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
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> That would depend on your access needs. There will never be a blanket
> statement put out that says everyone should upgrade. That never
> happens because we are all different and thus have different needs.
> For example, there are a lot of braille bugs in 16.3 that wouldn't
> impact a speech only, or not as much of an impact, if you use it to
> supplement your speech access.
> 
> Scott
> 
>> On 2/14/23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
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>>Sorry to say this Phil, but there is no such thing as a bug free
>> anything.  We're already half way to iOS 17!
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>  --John F. Kennedy
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>>> On 2/14/2023 7:43 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>> I am still using iOS 15. Have they shaken the bugs out of iOS 16 with
>>> version three yet or is it still not a good idea to upgrade?. I don’t want
>>> to lose accessibility or sensitivity of the screen or any functionality
>>> for that matter.
>>> 
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iOS upgrade to 16.3?

[Phil Halton]

I am still using iOS 15. Have they shaken the bugs out of iOS 16 with version 
three yet or is it still not a good idea to upgrade?. I don’t want to lose 
accessibility or sensitivity of the screen or any functionality for that matter.

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Re: How much ram and storage should i get?

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It all really depends on what you use the machine for. If you’re doing heavy  
audio and video processing then yeah, load up on the ram and the SSD. Me, I 
could get by on the bare-bones configuration because I only do email, 
Spreadsheet, and a little Text and sometimes and sometimes audio processing. 
considering how much extra ram and SSD space will cost, the price can go up 
pretty fast and if you don’t need that capacity, you’re really just throwing 
The money out. Some say heavier capacity is best for resale value, but you’re 
probably gonna hang onto this machine for quite a while and resale may or may 
not be a consideration.

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> Hi!
> 8Gb of ram is enough.
> I have 8 gb ram and 2 tb harddisk.
> Costed me a lot but its worth it.
> /A
> 
>> 7 feb. 2023 kl. 04:20 skrev doug.law...@gmail.com:
>> 
>> Hello all, 
>> 
>> It's been a long time since I posted here. I'm in the process of purchasing 
>> a new Mac and was wondering how much ram and storage people are going with 
>> these days? I mainly want a machine for web and app testing, some word 
>> processing / text editing, and some single track audio recording. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> 
>> Doug 
>> 
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Accessible blood pressure monitors

[Phil Halton]

My doctor says I have high blood pressure and wants me to monitor it. I’m 
looking on Amazon and I see a lot of monitors some of them Bluetooth enabled. 
I’m wondering, does anyone know of a really good and accessible blood pressure 
monitor that I can read the results on my iPhone? Otherwise anything that is 
good and I can use “Be My Eyes“ to read the Diles. Any help appreciate it 
thanks. 

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Re: How does one compensate for PageUp and PageDown keys or Home and End keys on a MacBook Pro without an external full keyboard?

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Hi ET, true they are off topic, but a good pissing contest helps to brighten an 
otherwise dreary Sunday afternoon.  don’t you agree? 

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> On Jan 8, 2023, at 2:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> With all due respect, it has to do with the list environment, and therefore 
> belongs here.  It is not OK for one member to create an unpleasant list 
> environment for others, by criticizing, denigrating, or invalidating others’ 
> posts.  We all post things that are for whatever reason not accurate on 
> occasion.  That’s inevitable when you have a group of people running several 
> different operating systems, and different configurations of those operating 
> systems.  In those situations correction is important. But it should be done 
> in a way that is constructive, not rude or arrogant.
> Donna
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:33 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Do us all a favor and take this off list where it belongs. Personality 
>> conflicts are off topic as they have nothing to do with Apple products.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
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>>> On 1/8/2023 9:07 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Brad,. I am really tired of the obnoxious behavior you display on this 
>>> list.  Either learn to be civil, or get off the list.
>>> I can reproduce this behavior flawlessly, and without exception.  Just 
>>> pressing the FN key does NOTHING! So, you can be rude all you want, but I’m 
>>> going to post my experience as there is probably someone else out there who 
>>> experiences the same thing, as I don’t that my Mac is an anomaly.  I don’t 
>>> doubt that your Mac behaves as you describe, but mine, and undoubtedly 
>>> others, do not.  So please don’t dismiss what I write out of hand.
>>> Donna
 On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 You can disagree all you want, but the VO key is not necessary to change 
 the behavior of the arrow keys when using the Fn key.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:11, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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 Sorry, Brad, but I have to disagree.  When I just press the FN key 
 nothing happens.  When I press the VO modifier, the keys behave as you 
 describe.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 9:27 AM, Bradford Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Changing the behavior of the arrow keys is not a function of VoiceOver, 
> therefore it is not necessary to use the VO modifier in order to use the 
> alternate actions of the arrow keys as described in my original response.
> You can test this by turning on Keyboard Help, then press the different 
> arrow keys while holding down only the Fn key.
> Whether or not the VO modifier is used along with the Fn key makes no 
> matter.  The actions of the arrow keys will be the same.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Just one addition to this, for me to use these commands, I also have to 
> hold down the VO keys.  So, VO-FN-right arrow for home, etc.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2023, at 4:59 PM, Bradford Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> If you hold down the Fn key, the arrow keys become the following:
>> Left Arrow becomes the Home key.
>> Right Arrow becomes the End key.
>> Up Arrow becomes the Page Up key.
>> Down Arrow becomes the Page Down key.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2023, at 16:41, Kevin Gibbs > > wrote:
>> 
>> Sometimes, I don’t have my full extended keyboard and have to type on 
>> just my MacBook Pro keyboard.  But I don’t have Page Up/Down or Home and 
>> End keys.  How does one compensate for this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
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Re: Ring Update

[Phil Halton]

Thanks for the heads up I’m sticking with iOS 15 for a good while at least 
until they shake all this out.

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> On Dec 28, 2022, at 4:29 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
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> 
> Hi all:
> So for months the Ring app was broken with iOS 16 all builds. Worked fine in 
> 15. Well Ring updated the app to 5.5.50 and iOS 16.2 works great with it.
> So Yay I moved to iOS 16.2. Well looks like Ring is the only thing that 
> works. Gees. Voiceover rate is faster on a slower setting. Fine I can deal. 
> Siri sucks and won’t respond the right way. Been there done that. Fine.. What 
> I cannot deal with is when you  make a call, put phone to your ear, then pull 
> it away, screen is black. You cannot end call, nor disable VO. Its awful.
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Apple servers getting bogged down

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Fairly often I get a situation where Siri cannot process requests such as 
identifying a song, doing basic math calculations, or even just telling the 
time. I am assuming that it is on Apple servers and that they must be getting 
bogged down from heavy traffic. Is anyone else experiencing a situation where 
Siri can’t handle requests and responds with “just a moment “, “still working 
on that “, and finally “something went wrong, please try again later quote. as 
I said, this happens with certain degree of regularity, two maybe three times a 
week.

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Re: Real book for blind musicians

[Phil Halton]

I guess I should’ve researched before posting, but I found an absolutely 
phenomenal resource for real book that is completely accessible for the blind. 
It’s on the Apple App Store and it’s called iReal Pro. You can read the charts 
and it will play the chart through a synthesize rhythm section that’s fairly 
convincible. Lots of features and options. And you can download pla playlists 
of pre-programmed charts off of the website via the app. Great resource for 
anyone who needs a real book. A real pro 

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> Is there a such a beast? Any musician should know what I’m talking about. 
> It’s a fake book with the chords and melody for various jazz standards. All I 
> can find are graphical images of the chord symbols which obviously voice over 
> makes no sense self. Is there anything where they actually write out and text 
> the court symbols? You know CMaj7, Dm7b5 and so forth?
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Real book for blind musicians

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Is there a such a beast? Any musician should know what I’m talking about. It’s 
a fake book with the chords and melody for various jazz standards. All I can 
find are graphical images of the chord symbols which obviously voice over makes 
no sense self. Is there anything where they actually write out and text the 
court symbols? You know CMaj7, Dm7b5 and so forth?

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Re: Getting rid of auto/smart punctuation introduced in IOS 16?

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On a sidenote have the bugs been shaken out of iOS 16 yet? I’m being prompted 
to upgrade but if I recall there were some problems. Is it safe to go upstairs 
yet?

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> On Nov 29, 2022, at 10:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks, Brad.  I had turned them both off, but then afterward wondered if I 
> wanted them both off, or just one of them.  Thanks for clarifying.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2022, at 8:12 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>> This is an easy fix.
>> Go to Settings > General > Keyboard.
>> Navigate to the Dictation heading, and look for Auto-punctuation.
>> Now, perform a one-finger double tap, to turn it off.
>> 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Nov 29, 2022, at 18:09, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So, to put it mildly, I’m not a fan of the new ability in IOS to have 
>>> dictated text auto punctuated.  I thought I was comma crazy, but this 
>>> punctuation feature takes that to a whole new level.  I went in to Settings 
>>> and disabled both Auto and Smart Punctuation.  But then I started poking 
>>> around the internet and it looks like smart punctuation has been around a 
>>> while, so it’s probably not what I’m after.  Is auto punctuation what I’m 
>>> after?  If not, how do I disable this feature?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Dropboxon the Mac

[Phil Halton]

Have they finally fixed the status of the check/unchecked folders in the 
selective sink window? It used to be that you never know if you were checking 
around checking a folder because the check box was not spoken. I remember it 
was a real problem for a long time with a lot of people complaining.

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> I have used Dropbox on my Mac since I got this machine with Mohave and 
> cannot recall any accessibility issues with the app. Go to your Menu extras 
> with VO MM and look for Dropbox. If it does not show then the app isn’t 
> running and that can be fixed by going to your apps folder and launching the 
> app. VO Space on Dropbox and down arrow to Preferences. It will take you to 
> General, and you VO left to the toolbar, interact, and go to Sink. They have 
> put both sink methods in that tab for both online vs local and Selective 
> Sink. VO right until you get to the prompt for folders. VO Space and keep 
> going until you get to the grid. Don’t let that scare you though as all you 
> need to do is VO right and it will take you through the folder list. You can 
> then check or uncheck what you want sinked. At the end there is an update 
> button. You can then Command Q. BTW, where I do find Dropbox somewhat 
> unusable is the web interface, especially wen recovering files. I find Chrome 
> works better for Dropbox on the web. But the app is fully accessible on the 
> Mac side. Windows…that needs some work.
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2022, at 13:36, Shannon Dyer  wrote:
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>> Good afternoon,
>> 
>> I’m trying to use selective sync on my Mac with dropbox. I’m told I need to 
>> do this via the desktop dropbox app, but the app has historically not been 
>> accessible with Voiceover. I’m wondering if any of you have found 
>> work-arounds for this. Is there any way to see the preferences for the 
>> Dropbox app?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
>> 
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Accessible security cameras

[Phil Halton]

I’d like to get a security camera that I can plug into the light socket on my 
front porch and access on my iPhone. I also make increasing use of Alexa, so 
any that work well with Alexa also would be welcome recommendations. Looking 
for simple, easy to connect, accessible on iPhone. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Help with the Mac book .

[Phil Halton]

It does definitely sound like a sleep issue. Which is not an issue at all, 
that’s the way it’s made to conserve battery power. Although, you can change 
the amount of time that elapses before the Mac will go to sleep. It’s in 
settings somewhere, I don’t have a Mac in front of me but I’m sure you can find 
it. I have mine set to wait a full hour before going to sleep. 

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> I some times experience this same issue on my 2021 M1 MacBook Pro.
> Tell your friend, that when he experiences this problematic phenomena, he 
> should toggle VoiceOver off, and then back on again.
> This remedy usually works for me.
> 
> HTH.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2022, at 12:36, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries 
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> Good afternoon everyone on here.
> 
> Please can anyone on here help.
> 
> This query isn't for me, but for my friend Chris Graham in Australia.
> He isn't a member of this group, so this is why I'm asking on his behalf.
> 
> On his Mac book M1, when he is using it if he leaves it alone for not very 
> long at all the screen goes black as if it has gone to sleep.
> All VoiceOver says is application .
> 
> To be clear, this is not a screen saver, as I managed to find the tick box 
> for this for him, he has unticked this and it is still doing it.
> 
> I know what VoiceOver says as he has got What;sApp on the Mac and it does it 
> during his messages.
> To come out of this state, he has got to press a key on the keyboard.
> 
> He has done all sorts of Google searches and YouTube searches, all he can 
> find on YouTube is something about Energy saver preferences.
> 
> 
> Well both me and Chris have looked everywhere in System preferences, there is 
> no energy saver button what so ever!
> 
> I managed to find something in the battery part, turn display off after.
> But I tried to set this to never, when I close the preferences window, it 
> resets to 60%.
> 
> We believe this is what needs to be changed, this slider needs to be set to 
> zero.
> So please if anyone knows how to turn this annoying state off, can you let me 
> know as we are both completely out of ideas!
> 
> Also, before I sign off he has bought a clipboard manager called Copy clip 
> two.
> He wants to turn on a feature called Direct paste.
> 
> Well where are the app preferences located?
> This is not the app store preferences, I am talking about the app specific 
> preferences where you can control what apps can and can't do.
> 
> Many thanks, I look forward to any responses!
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Re: Coding apps for accessibility

[Phil Halton]

Thanks I looked around on the developer.apple.com/Accessibility page and it 
looks straight just the thing I need. Actually I don’t need it, they do. But it 
does lead to everything one should need to do coding for Accessibility.

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> Hi!
> Dev.apple.com/accessibility I think.
> Try that and if it doesn’t work I can check things out for you.
> /A
> 
>> 6 sep. 2022 kl. 19:06 skrev Phil Halton :
>> 
>> My bank has been hassling me to help them to make their app accessible for 
>> the blind. Where can I direct them in the Apple website for their coding 
>> department to find all they need about how to code an app for Accessibility. 
>> I know Apple has information on the developers website for coding for the 
>> blind. Any help as to where I can send them. I told them if they wanted to 
>> pay me the IT man’s salary then I’d be glad to help otherwise they can 
>> surely do it for themselves sport is not rocket science and they don’t have 
>> to reinvent the wheel. 
>> 
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Coding apps for accessibility

[Phil Halton]

My bank has been hassling me to help them to make their app accessible for the 
blind. Where can I direct them in the Apple website for their coding department 
to find all they need about how to code an app for Accessibility. I know Apple 
has information on the developers website for coding for the blind. Any help as 
to where I can send them. I told them if they wanted to pay me the IT man’s 
salary then I’d be glad to help otherwise they can surely do it for themselves 
sport is not rocket science and they don’t have to reinvent the wheel. 

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Re: Removing the Tips from the AirPods Pro.

[Phil Halton]

A simple Google search for “removing tips from iPods Max“ will give you the 
information. I tried to paste it in but ran into trouble. I guess you’re 
supposed to pinch the rubber/silicon insert on either side  and then pull it 
straight out until it pops off. But check Google for more information.

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> On Aug 21, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I hope this is not off topic but I am a bit frustrated as I knew how to do 
> this but actually I seem to have forgotten or at least can’t make it.
> I am trying to remove the eartips from my AirPods Pro but I can’t do it.
> They are to big for my ears I guess.
> I grab the  eartip and try to turn it to the left which does not work and 
> then to the  right which does not work either.
> So i am stumped and feel so  stupid.
> Can someone help me out?
> /A
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Re: YouTube premium subscription

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I am fairly sure that I canceled the subscription within a day or two of 
signing up. Once I realized that YouTube premium was not going to do what I 
thought it would do for me, and knowing how are usually operate, I’m pretty 
sure I went in and canceled it right then and there. Now I’m just living out 
the remainder of the free trial.  That is why I only see the option to renew 
rather than to cancel. I already canceled it. thanks though for all your ideas. 
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> On Aug 18, 2022, at 7:35 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
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> How did you signup?
> Through Apple, or Google?
> By the way, Apple charges about $15 where as going directly through Google is 
> $11.99 per month.
> Rob
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:46 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Well, same options from the laptop as from the iPhone app, it says to avoid 
>> losing benefits, renew now. Renew is the only option. I’m going to do 
>> something really dumb and assume that not losing benefits means that it 
>> doesn’t auto renew. What do you think? Sent from my IPhone
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>>>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 1:30 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi,
>>> I don’t believe you can cancel on the mobile app.
>>> Try from a computer.
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I signed up for a free trial and it’s about to expire. I want to make sure 
>>>> I don’t get clipped for a auto renewal fee. I went into settings and found 
>>>> my subscription there and it gave only an option to renew. Does this mean 
>>>> they’re not going to auto renew? Any experience with auto premium renewal 
>>>> for YouTube premium service?
>>>> 
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Re: YouTube premium subscription

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Well, same options from the laptop as from the iPhone app, it says to avoid 
losing benefits, renew now. Renew is the only option. I’m going to do something 
really dumb and assume that not losing benefits means that it doesn’t auto 
renew. What do you think? Sent from my IPhone


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> Hi,
> I don’t believe you can cancel on the mobile app.
> Try from a computer.
> Rob
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> 
>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I signed up for a free trial and it’s about to expire. I want to make sure I 
>> don’t get clipped for a auto renewal fee. I went into settings and found my 
>> subscription there and it gave only an option to renew. Does this mean 
>> they’re not going to auto renew? Any experience with auto premium renewal 
>> for YouTube premium service?
>> 
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YouTube premium subscription

[Phil Halton]

I signed up for a free trial and it’s about to expire. I want to make sure I 
don’t get clipped for a auto renewal fee. I went into settings and found my 
subscription there and it gave only an option to renew. Does this mean they’re 
not going to auto renew? Any experience with auto premium renewal for YouTube 
premium service?

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Re: Question about Books

[Phil Halton]

I really wish we could read by sentence or even by paragraph in the Books app. 
Line by line doesn’t really cut it, and continuous reading isn’t all that 
natural either.

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> Steve,
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> I don’t read books on the Mac, so I could be wrong, but I would think VO-A 
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> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> On Jul 23, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
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>> On iOS, the two-finger swipe down will read continuously, advancing to the 
>> next screen/page as the reading progresses; what's the equivalent on MacOS?
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