Re: programming too the lidar in the 12 pro?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi. What I know so far is that if I hold the iPhone steady as I walk,
I never mind how fast I walk, and I walk relatively fast at 6 KPH.
According to Apple Watch, the iPhone is not complaining. That being
said, the lidar is not turned on before the camera detects a person,
or something that the AI thinks is a person. So far it is spot on.
Right now I am considering , if I shall, program this myself, otr pay
someone else to do it. Making it work should be quite easy, but being
enrolled in apples developing community, was last i heard quite
expensive. The range of the LIDAR is as Thomas says, 5 meters, or 15
Feet, it would be more than enough at least for me, there is a couple
of things i will need to think about  regarding riding a horse, and
controlling an iphone, but i tried one of them today, ride the horse
1-handed, and control the scanner with the other one.
So to my next question, does anyone know if the Haptic engine, and the
phone vibrator, are the same motor? If i am lucky it is the same, if
it is advanced, it is 2 different motors.



/Sandie






On 3/18/21, Thomas Frank  wrote:
> From what I know, and that is not much, LIDAR on the 12Pro has a range of 5
> meters. What I would like it to do, and seeing AI and SuperLidar do not do,
> is identify telephone poles, trees , and other landmarks when I am walking
> along a sidewalk. SoundScape, Nearby Explorer and other GPS get you close to
> a store entrance, but LIDAR should be a better tool to identify the entrance
>  As for riding a horse, the Apple Magnify app with People detection turned
> on, kept complaining that I was moving too fast. And that, compared to a
> horse, I am not. Good luck on your programing.
> Thomas Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 1:46 AM, Sandie Jazmin Kruse 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am considering  starting programming too the LIDAR  on my iphone 12 pro.
>> But how much do we know about it ,  ideally i would want it too detect
>> things when i am near too themand maybe trek haptic output a little bit
>> when i ma say close too a wall or some such, i want too use it when i ride
>> my horse. Any thoughts?
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Re: Flatbed Scanner and OCR Program Recommendations

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, personally I would not do any scanning with in the mac system,
have a study where reading huge books is a must for me , and the best
I have found so far is a book scanner, and windows running in a vm on
the mac.
It all depends on what you need it for of course , scanning a few
pages, or a few hundred?




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> I'm phasing out my Windows 7 OCR program and the associated flatbed scanner.
>  What are people using on the Mac to replace these items?
> Thanks,
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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

hi, many of the same as you. i also used my iPhone lots for picture
taking, using apples scanner for describing the pictures. but i have
to admit , am going more and more over too android , the cam on the
p20… is amazing. And  the chromebook really fullfills the most of my
needs.
I wish  that apple would have more details on the pictures we take.
but i guess we cant have it all smiles .

On 5/24/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi,
>
>
> • much more easily access movies and TV Shows, both audio describe and not,
> at the touch of a finger or remote on Apple TV and more.  It was infinitely
> more challenging with physical DVD's and video tapes.
> • similarly for music libraries.
> • don't have to pay for a separate screen reader.
> • many of the items you, Mark, already mentioned.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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> On May 24, 2019, at 11:49, M. Taylor  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS
> and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal
> independence.
>
> As for me:.
>
> 1.
> The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such
> as
> Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.
>
> 2.
> The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like
> Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.
>
> 3.
> The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on
> the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS
> camera app, Seeing A.I., etc.
>
> 4.
> The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps
> such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text
> RSS
> news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.
>
> 5.
> The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD
> Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.
>
> Honorable Memtions:
> 1.
> TV Guide Mobile.
>
> 2.
> CA Lottery app.
>
> 3.
> The Parcel Track package tracking app.
>
> 4.
> Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.
>
> 5.
> The My Chart medical App.
>
> I look forward to all of your replies,
>
> Mark
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Re: Text Editors for Mac

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi. maybe i am missing something, but textedit works gorgeously.
I use windows for one thing only. Scanning books. And reading them,
and replacing weird letters, signs with textedit after end editing
with, textedit works right outta the box.
Got a couple of chromebooks so the workflow goes like this , scan
books in windows, save them as, txt files. After end ocr. Remove
unwanted letters with textedit. I run win on the mini in a vm. After
that convert to html with textutil for mac.
Works.
It is true though… line breaks have sometimes in the past been a major
problem for linux, too windows, and back. There is a easy way to fix
that though, replace them.
And yes it is extra work,
Also be aware there are things  windows screen readers will not read,
that your mac , linux screen reader will read on its own so you can
easily correct it …
The sign i have too remove from books right now … are called ...dont
signs, or something like that .
Hope this helps.

/sandie

On 4/28/19, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
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> Pretty much any non graphical app from the Linux/Unix world can be used
> on a Mac, because the Mac runs a variant of BSD Unix as its shell. Get
> yourself an install of homebrew and brew up whatever app you might want
> to run in the terminal:
>
> https://github.com/Homebrew
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> hth
>
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>
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Thanks Yuma,
>>
>> Good to know they have a mac version.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf Of Yuma Decaux
>> Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 4:15 PM
>> To: da...@unwiredmind.com 
>> Subject: Re: Text Editors for Mac
>>
>> Try mac vim. it works pretty well. At least on the latest version I got
>> which was 7.x
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 28 Apr 2019, at 2:00 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> >
>> > HI ET,
>> >
>> > Is there a version of VIM or VI that would work on the mac?
>> >
>> > These are linux text editors I'm just wondering if something like that
>> > might work for you.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> > Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 8:00 AM
>> > To: MacVisionaries 
>> > Subject: Text Editors for Mac
>> >
>> >I am taking a different path to see if I can easily create or edit
>> > text files on the Mac that will read correctly in Windows.
>> >
>> >TwctEdit does not insert the CR and LF codes needed by Windows. I do
>> > not want to take extra steps to work around this such as using LineBreak
>> > which was last updated in 2008. If I can save files as .txt in Pages
>> > that may work but again, that means extra work.
>> >
>> >So I am looking for accessible (and free) text editors for the Mac
>> > that just might work.
>> >
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Re: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

tts for me , all the way. faster reads, easier on the space needed 

On 4/16/19, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> Yes i agree with you.
> I use that when reading on english webpages.
> I hope they put it into the Mac too.
> /A
>
>> 16 apr. 2019 kl. 11:31 skrev Raymond Foret Jr :
>>
>> Well, for me, the inhanced US Tom is best all around.  Now the Male Siri
>> US voice (actually known as Aaron inhanced but which Apple calls Male Siri
>> US) is also good.
>>
>>
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the
>> blind:
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2019, at 11:26 PM, M. Taylor >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> I love the iOS Kindle App because it works so well with my Focus 40 Blue
>>> Braille display.
>>>
>>> However, for whatever reason, until recently, I've never used the
>>> VoiceOver
>>> Samantha TTS engine to read an entire novel in the Kindle app.
>>>
>>> Not long ago, I was searching for a book in Audible, because it is not
>>> available on BARD or on Over Drive, and found it.  The price of the
>>> audio
>>> book was $19, $17 in Apple books.  Since the audio length of the book
>>> was
>>> just over 5 hours, I decided to see if a Kindle edition was available.
>>> Yes,
>>> it was and for a mere $1.99.  So, I purchased the Kindle version and used
>>> my
>>> beloved Samantha TTS engine to read the novel.
>>>
>>> After I finished the Kindle version, a friend of mine purchased the
>>> audible
>>> version.  So, I decided to give it a quick listen to see if I would like
>>> the
>>> book any better or less with a human narrator at the proverbial helm.
>>>
>>> You know what?  I discovered that I actually preferred the Kindle
>>> version
>>> wit the TTS engine, better.  The funny thing is, I am absolutely certain
>>> that I would have thoroughly enjoyed the human narrator edition had I
>>> not
>>> experienced the TTS engine rendition, first.
>>>
>>> Now I'm certainly not saying that a TTS engine is better than a human
>>> narrator but I am saying, that for  me, at least, a TTS engine is
>>> definitely
>>> a viable option for reading novels, especially when it comes to saving a
>>> few
>>> dollars.
>>>
>>> Mark
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Re: Alex and irc text output on live speaking client (Textual 7) can't speak after 2 words requiring restart. Any way to restart just the speech itself?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

good that i didnt make the update then.

On 2/2/19, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> Ok, just as an update, I discovered it wasn’t just Alex, or the irc client.
> It’s something going on with sound in general. My new mail sound got cut off
> too. On the Apple discussion similar problems were discussed regarding sound
> in Mojave.
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> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
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>> On Feb 2, 2019, at 11:18 PM, Sandie Jazmin Kruse 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Quit irc, and restart, if you have it set up correctly, it will just boot
>> join the channels and do its thing.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 2 Feb 2019, at 11.02, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>>
>>> I use Textual as an irc client, and have each channel set to speak
>>> channel messages using my system voice, which is Alex in my case. Problem
>>> is, after about 4 hours, it gets to where it can’t speak after 2 words.
>>> Is there any way to just restart speech?  Running Mojave 10.14.3.  TIA
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Re: podcast appearance

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i dont agree with you. You can with the setup i am talking about zoom
in on diffrent points, the ISS is a good one, of course you have to
know the time for its passing...

On 8/11/18, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> Not when you're blind, and you don't get all the information of those
> objects in the sky.
>
>
>
>> On 11 Aug 2018, at 7:42 pm, Sandi Jazmin Kruse 
>> wrote:
>>
>> if you use The voice, a set of google cardboard glasses... and an
>> iphone, you can see the real thing sometimes...
>>
>> On 8/11/18, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> Firstly, is anyone interested in a podcast interview about how they see
>>> the
>>> ssky as being, if they learn aspects of space, planets and other objects
>>> we
>>> can't see as blind people in the sky. I have a podcast series that covers
>>> 3D
>>> programming for audio, and related technologies.
>>>
>>> I am co-founder of Oseyeris, and have been working on an app so I can
>>> understand where the planets are, how they cycle around me in the real
>>> world, as astronomy and physics are something I am passionate about.
>>>
>>> Second, I would like to invite you to test a star gazing app for the
>>> blind.
>>>
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>>> I am very interested in hearing your opinions about how stars should be
>>> represented, though I have laid out the initial audio "feel" of space.
>>>
>>> https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a great day y'all
>>>
>>>
>>> A++
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Re: podcast appearance

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

if you use The voice, a set of google cardboard glasses... and an
iphone, you can see the real thing sometimes...

On 8/11/18, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Firstly, is anyone interested in a podcast interview about how they see the
> ssky as being, if they learn aspects of space, planets and other objects we
> can't see as blind people in the sky. I have a podcast series that covers 3D
> programming for audio, and related technologies.
>
> I am co-founder of Oseyeris, and have been working on an app so I can
> understand where the planets are, how they cycle around me in the real
> world, as astronomy and physics are something I am passionate about.
>
> Second, I would like to invite you to test a star gazing app for the blind.
>
> Please follow this link, and put your name on the email list. if already
> subscribed, your test flight will be sent very shortly.
>
> I am very interested in hearing your opinions about how stars should be
> represented, though I have laid out the initial audio "feel" of space.
>
> https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts
>
>
> Have a great day y'all
>
>
> A++
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Re: First steps into using iPhone for orientation

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Anne , what model exactly do you have , ive been wanting to give the
aftershocks a go. but didnt want the bluetooth version. how well does
the hedset work, how clear is the sound when its send through your
bones?

On 7/5/18, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Andrew,
>
> The accuracy of any GPS app depends on the visibility of the satellites to
> the iPhone. You’ll never get anything much better than 10 metres and often
> it’s no where near that. I suggest that once your GPS solution has told you
> that you’ve arrived, you use Seeing AI to look at the buildings around you.
> I second Jason’s suggestion for bone-conduction headphones. I use the wired
> AfterShokz and I know AfterShokz does BlueTooth versions. You’ll find a good
> choice on Amazon.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>> On 5 Jul 2018, at 21:26, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know from many previous posts that many of you have been using your
>> iPhone to orient yourselves around unfamiliar environments, including
>> finding doorways, shops, businesses etc.  I’m in this position now that I
>> have to be able to find a a particular doorway/entrance, in a row of
>> entrances in a street.  I want to ask you how you accomplish this, what
>> navigation software you use & how accurate it is.  I’ve just tried Google
>> Maps but it informed me I had arrived at my destination about a hundred of
>> steps before I actually found the door almost having to feel for it
>> doorway by doorway.  This was a bit humiliating.  There are so many
>> navigation apps that I’m truly lost - Lazarillo being the latest I’ve
>> seen.  How can I walk along a street and find with a good degree of
>> accuracy the entrance I need?
>>
>> Also, I feel that if I want to use my iPhone to navigate round town, I
>> need a bluetooth headset that wouldn’t muffle other sounds that may be
>> crucial for my safety.  What do you use/recommend?  I am a long cane user
>> by the way so all this has to do with walking.  Feel free to email me
>> off-list.
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Andrew
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Re: iPhone Text Message SPAM Alert

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

general advice, if you get a message from someone you dont know , and
it has a link, do not open it .

On 7/1/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
>  A list member, Christopher, received a bogus iPhone text message
> attempting
> to acquire his personal credentials.
>
> He requested that I forward his experience along to the list by sharing his
> words which you will find below my signature.
>
>  A special thanks to Christopher for bringing this to our attention.
>
> Mark
>
> Original Message:
>
> Good morning.
>
> Have you received a text message from ``reminder` informing you your iPhone
> ID is due to expire today, with instructions on what to do. If so, don't,
> and I mean don't, do it. It is a scam, and the link will be suspicious
> looking. Again, don't do it, and instead delete. Since it is not an
> iMessage, you cannot report this directly to Apple.
>
> Thank you for reading. And yes, please share this post if you feel you need
> to. This is a genuine post, as I've had this very text message. Again,
> thank
> you for reading.
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others having problems on facebook after update to Ios 11?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

subject really puts it on the spot, others having problems after
updating to Ios 11?

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Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

how well does the light version work , though?

On 9/9/17, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> I have an app on my phone called My Way. It is a bit clunky to use maybe
> because I have the Lite / free version.
>
> You can ask it to record a route. Then every time you either shake the phone
> or make a significant turn it will record that spot in a list of waypoints.
> You can then follow that path forward or backwards.
>
> I will be looking for the full version later this week since I am about 2
> months out from getting a new guide dog and I am not sure how well I'll be
> able to find the dozen or so subway entrances I use on a regular basis. I
> usually don't need the turn by turn information but just how far down the
> block a set of stairs or escalator is. Though considering thatGDB now
> expects you to put shoes on the dog before using an escalator, I might be
> searching out all the elevators.
>
>
>
>
>
>   Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
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Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

with fear of someone biting my pretty lil head off, i have to say this.
If you have a route loaded, with Maps on your iphone, but no ,
internet connection, the gps part of the phone will still get you
where you need to go. if there is a point for it in maps.
What you would do in an camping situation before mentioned, i have no
idea, yet. but i will be following this with interest.


On 9/1/17, E.T.  wrote:
> Sorry David but you certainly can believe what you like. You may
> benefit from a healthy dose of good humor.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 9/1/2017 10:05 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
>> Sorry, but I think someone needs the dose on their psychiatric medication
>> increased. If they think dogs/wolves domesticated us.   I am reminded of a
>> line off a British comedy.  "There are more nuts outside the bin then
>> there are in." hence forth, I will not perpetuate this psychiatrically
>> challenged thread.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: September 1, 2017 9:06 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip
>>
>>  Definitely true and definitely way more than 6,000 years ago when the
>> wolf began to domesticate humans.
>>
>>   From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 9/1/2017 8:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Actually David you’re a little historically inaccurate in a way.  I see
>>> your point but let’s remember, dogs selected humans originally through
>>> out history it wasn’t humans who captured and tamed the dogs.  Way back
>>> in prehistoric times (again more than 6000 years ago for the mentally
>>> deficient) dogs selected humans to be close to for what reason, food!
>>> Dogs leveraged their cute furry nature and eventually came in close
>>> enough to humans around fires because of the food being cooked.  We all
>>> know how our furry friends can be they started to leverage their cuteness
>>> and turn that in to a meal.  As time passed humans began to use food to
>>> start to work with the dogs and then over time more detailed and advanced
>>> training methods were developed.  Training a dog with a treat is as
>>> natural a method as any and is probably the oldest method historically
>>> speaking.  You’re absolutely right that verbal praise can be a good
>>> positive reenforcement so let’s say that you’re both right.
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:36 AM, David & his pack of dogs
  wrote:

 People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept
 woman.  Dogs don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work
 for food.  What do they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people
 are secretly trying to buy the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog
 for a job well done with verbal praise, and they don't get fat on that.
 Then you have a contented and hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but,
 not just for the handler's sake, to buy the dog's affection, we all need
 food to live. However, as mentioned dogs should not be free fed just as
 people should not be eating all the time either. I have worked with dogs
 most have condemned to be euthanized and, have rarely used treats to
 motivate them to work.

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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
 Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

  Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They
 live for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a
 check every week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.

   From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
> After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a
> well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the
> camping area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally
> blind persons back to the camping area with no problem. As for the
> person 

Re: Conversation about Accessibility w/ Tim Cook of Apple | #GAAD

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i am not surprised, apple have always gone a long way to make sure we
can use their products.

On 7/10/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Could you use an online tool like
>
> https://www.onlinevideoconverter.com/mp3-converter
>
> and then download the mp3 it generates?
>
> CB
>
> On 7/9/17 4:30 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Would someone mind doing me a favor?
>> I believe many here realize I am not fully an apple user for other
>> physical reasons, some I am happy to say I am in the process
>> transforming.
>> Still, Scott, here in Canada accessibility is already a human right,
>> truth be told it is also in the state of new York.
>> Anyway, I am wondering if anyone would kindly  send me a transcript or
>> mp3, or better yet .aif copy of that interview?
>> I am presently at the Canadian human rights tribunal with a successful
>> accessibility case against TD Bank, who has presence legally on both
>> sides of the border.  I suspect there is something in that recording
>> worth including in mediation documents I am preparing.
>> One issue I find time and time again is how, even if well meaning,
>> swiftly individuals, and companies  generalize access, i. e. all
>> those  sharing a label accommodate the same.  The terrific thing about
>> seasoning the discussion with human right, is that it also includes
>> individual human dignity, i. e. at the most basic levels, no two
>> humans are the same even if they share the label of being human.
>> Any takers?
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017, Scott Granados wrote:
>>
>>> This was a very interesting listen.  I like the attitude of
>>> accessibility being a human right.  Very interesting position from a
>>> major tech player.
>>>
 On Jul 9, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

 Interview with Tim Cooke.

 https://youtu.be/kXy8KcONTSs


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Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi Mary.
Okay let me be more exact, if you take a picture, okay if you like me
go out to something and take maybe 40 different pictures, it is really
nice that your iPhone tries to explain to you what is on them, and it
is closer to being right on the money more often than not.
I think you are meaning O C R?
The iPhone don’t tell me it is a black chevy parked at day time, at
least not its inbuilt, other programs does however.
Sometimes  i think we need to take a step back, and be like, how would
my life be if i did not have this device?

Best, Sandie

On 6/28/17, David Chittenden  wrote:
> Yes, I had one of the receivers for a few years whilst living in SF.
>
> The iPhone becomes the receiver. The marked GPS coordinates becomes the
> transmitter. The clear speech occurs when the iPhone is directly aligned,
> and becomes static as the iPhone's alignment changes in relation to the
> coordinates (a virtual transmitter).
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 29/06/2017, at 09:00, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>
>> Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when
>> I was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
>>The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You
>> pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the
>> clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you
>> were.  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the
>> track number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over
>> the door.
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called
>>> Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It
>>> uses GPS and the Google Places database.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados 
 wrote:

 Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s
 included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something
 different?  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in
 several public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very
 simple analog Infrared signals but was fairly effective.


> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:
>
> This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta.
> Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing
> was added to accessibility.
>
> I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk
> about.
>
> Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and
> airports. I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles
> from my house , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed
> every weekend and most evenings, it was also the site of the first
> Apple Retail store. So I am hoping that the indoor navigation helps me
> verify if I have passed Nordstroms or still have  200 feet to go.
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Jonathan
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Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

we have image , or picture explaining already, take a picture of your
dads car and see what happens, if that is not good enough for y'all,
use tap tap see.

On 6/26/17, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> Prizmo Go is the best OCR App I've seen so far. I don't care about
> Samsung because I've tried out their phones and didn't like them that
> much, besides they use old galaxy talkback, etc etc. They just want a
> medal for accessibility that they haven't earned.
>
> On 6/27/17, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I wonder if it might encourage Apple if it is brought to their attention
>> that the latest Samsung 8 smartphone has OCR built-in. After all, the
>> companies do compete with each other.
>>
>> Until OCR is brought native, there is KNFB Reader (for a significant
>> cost),
>> or Prizmo Go (for no cost) with much of KNFB's accessibility, equivalent
>> OCR, but not as much overall flexibility. Though, with a small cost,
>> Prizmo
>> Go's capabilities expand significantly.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 27/06/2017, at 14:23, E.T.  wrote:
>>>
>>>   Sure but then you also need to follow up and direct this feedback to
>>> Apple where it can be acted upon ne way or another. It may well come to
>>> pass some day where we can carry in one hand a device that can truly do
>>> it
>>> all. Maybe we need to wait for a 128bit iPhone. Next year? 5 years from
>>> now?
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
 On 6/26/2017 8:17 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
 G, you can't even express disappointment with one feature without the
 world falling in on you. I said and maintained that I'm disappointed
 with
 the fact that apple didn't include OCR with that scanning feature.
 They're doing some good things for PDF on Mac this time out, finally.
 So
 I was hoping the trend will continue for OS 11. I'm sure there will be
 other good things, and I suppose it's possible, although I think think
 doubtful, that a major thing like OCR would be added during the process
 of The beta cycle.
 Mary


 Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2017, at 6:56 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>
> Mary,
>  Why not just wait and see how iOS 11 develops into a mature OS? You
> are
> basing your sentiments on one article written by a sighted person. Its
> simply way too early to be disappointed.
>
>  Maybe I am too pragmatic for my own good. And I bet the bible
> thumpers
> are already gearing up to proclaim the end is coming on August 21st.
> (smiles)
>
>  Point is, the end is not coming, and iOS 11 will certainly make some
> people crazy when they lose their old 32bit apps. But I expect there
> will be some wonderful new things for us too.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
>> On 6/26/2017 6:43 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Gary, I think your way out of line here. I think they do care about
>> accessibility. I know they have an accessibility team. And they're
>> still ahead of the other side of the fence in some very important
>> ways,
>> at least for me. Why do you think I still use my iPhone for most all
>> of
>> my email?
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 5:58 PM, gary-melconian
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mary, you are forgetting, apple does not care about you any more.
>>> They
>>> will build product charge an darm and a leg . fi you want it you
>>> wwill
>>> buy it if not then you wont. That’s the attitude of apple lately. So
>>> I
>>> wold not bbe surprised that they will not bother to work on
>>> accessibility any more. Wahthe point if they are to get a few
>>> customrers  to upgrade in the long run.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:06 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the
>>> iPhone - CNET
>>>
>>> Well, if I'm understanding this correctly, I have to say I'm
>>> disappointed about the scanning in the PDF. Yet another excuse to
>>> have
>>> a not 

Re: How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A R - CNET

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

think about what happens if you take a picture of a car, does the cam
say car later when you go over the picture, lots of interesting things
seems to be going on now :)

On 6/21/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for this,
>  Very interesting article.
>
>  I can only say that I was impressed by the sound of the A R presentations
> of the wwdc keynote,
>  But its really the high end power users that will get the benefits
> currently out of that technology.
>
>  But something to keep an eye on especially if Sir PJ is involved,
>  Although that could be just my Kiwi patriotic side coming out.
> But it's kind of like apple are developing the hardware now for VR and A R
> development like silicon graphics were doing 30 years ago.
>
> Lets see what happens I guess.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 June 2017 6:01 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A R -
> CNET
>
> CNET News - Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:16 AM
>
> How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A  - CNET
>
> Augmented or so-called "mixed" reality brings digital objects into the real
> world.
> GIF by Sean Hollister/CNET
> We knew Apple CEO Tim Cook was keenly interested in virtual reality (VR) and
> augmented reality (AR). But earlier this month, Apple finally -- and openly
> -- revealed its plans to the world.
> Apple dedicated a significant portion of its Worldwide Developers
> Conference
> (WWDC) to ambitious new plans to bring VR to your Mac, and A R  to your iPad
> and iPhone.
> Like Facebook, Google and Microsoft -- each of which also showcased A R  and
> VR plans at recent dev conferences, too -- Apple is now part of a battle for
> what the future of computing might look like.
> And whether it's transporting you to faraway or imaginary places with VR, or
> making virtual objects appear out of thin air with A R , the company
> suddenly has skin in the game that it didn't just last month.
> Apple's success is still far from guaranteed -- but it already seems like
> the company has some key advantages.
> Apple didn't reply to requests for comment for this story.
> Apple's A R  tech works remarkably well
> WWDC was the first time Apple publicly demonstrated its A R  tech -- and
> yet, it may already have the upper hand. Apple's A R Kit doesn't necessarily
> work any better than, say, Google's Tango -- but Google requires special
> phones bristling with optical sensors.
> We totally weren't expecting A R  to be anywhere near this good with only
> the single camera of an off-the-shelf iPhone:
> Overall, Apple's technique seems to do a pretty bang-up job of placing
> virtual objects into the real world, without even taking advantage of the
> second camera on the iPhone 6S Plus and iPhone 7 Plus. (At WWDC, Apple
> announced that developers will soon be able to integrate calculations from
> that second camera, too.) Plus, the tech doesn't only work in Apple's demos
> at WWDC: Developers who've installed the new iOS 11 preview build on their
> own iPhones and iPads A R e uploading YouTube videos that show it works in
> the varying environments and lighting conditions of the real world, too.
> An A R  marketplace that's already millions strong While not every recent
> iPhone or iPad will be able to run A R  apps, millions upon millions A R e
> already eligible -- and presumably, every new iPhone and iPad from here on
> out. You can't say the same about Google's A R initiative, which not only
> has to convince each Android hardware partners to put a big, presumably
> costly Tango sensor module in the back of their phones, but also sell
> consumers on those specialized handsets instead of sleeker ones without.
> So far, only two Tango phones exist, of which one was a flop, and the other
> set to be a Verizon exclusive in the US this summer.
> What if Google adopts a simpler, single-camera A R  technique too? Android
> runs on so many different phones and software revisions that it might be
> hard to catch up. It could be even more of a challenge for A R  rivals
> Facebook, Microsoft and Snapchat, which have to build apps that run on top
> of iOS and Android since they don't have popular phones of their own.
> Quiet launch buys time
>
> Apple's original iPhone didn't kick off the smartphone: it was predated by
> the BlackBerry, the Palm Treo, Windows Phones and other devices.
> James Martin/CNET
> Despite its reputation as an innovator, Apple has a long history of being
> fashionably late to the party. "For us, it's never been about being first to
> anything," Cook said in a WWDC interview with Bloomberg.
> "We didn't have the first MP3 player. We didn't have the first smartphone.
> We didn't have the first tablet," he continued, explaining why the company's
> new HomePod smart speaker -- unveiled alongside A 

Re: How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A R - CNET

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

I am still much more excited about image regnition.

On 6/20/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
> CNET News - Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:16 AM
>
> How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A  - CNET
>
> Augmented or so-called "mixed" reality brings digital objects into the real
> world.
> GIF by Sean Hollister/CNET
> We knew Apple CEO Tim Cook was keenly interested in virtual reality (VR)
> and
> augmented reality (AR). But earlier this month, Apple finally -- and openly
> -- revealed its plans to the world.
> Apple dedicated a significant portion of its Worldwide Developers
> Conference
> (WWDC) to ambitious new plans to bring VR to your Mac, and A R  to your
> iPad
> and iPhone.
> Like Facebook, Google and Microsoft -- each of which also showcased A R
> and
> VR plans at recent dev conferences, too -- Apple is now part of a battle
> for
> what the future of computing might look like.
> And whether it's transporting you to faraway or imaginary places with VR,
> or
> making virtual objects appear out of thin air with A R , the company
> suddenly has skin in the game that it didn't just last month.
> Apple's success is still far from guaranteed -- but it already seems like
> the company has some key advantages.
> Apple didn't reply to requests for comment for this story.
> Apple's A R  tech works remarkably well
> WWDC was the first time Apple publicly demonstrated its A R  tech -- and
> yet, it may already have the upper hand. Apple's A R Kit doesn't
> necessarily
> work any better than, say, Google's Tango -- but Google requires special
> phones bristling with optical sensors.
> We totally weren't expecting A R  to be anywhere near this good with only
> the single camera of an off-the-shelf iPhone:
> Overall, Apple's technique seems to do a pretty bang-up job of placing
> virtual objects into the real world, without even taking advantage of the
> second camera on the iPhone 6S Plus and iPhone 7 Plus. (At WWDC, Apple
> announced that developers will soon be able to integrate calculations from
> that second camera, too.)
> Plus, the tech doesn't only work in Apple's demos at WWDC: Developers
> who've
> installed the new iOS 11 preview build on their own iPhones and iPads A R e
> uploading YouTube videos that show it works in the varying environments and
> lighting conditions of the real world, too.
> An A R  marketplace that's already millions strong
> While not every recent iPhone or iPad will be able to run A R  apps,
> millions upon millions A R e already eligible -- and presumably, every new
> iPhone and iPad from here on out. You can't say the same about Google's A R
> initiative, which not only has to convince each Android hardware partners
> to
> put a big, presumably costly Tango sensor module in the back of their
> phones, but also sell consumers on those specialized handsets instead of
> sleeker ones without.
> So far, only two Tango phones exist, of which one was a flop, and the other
> set to be a Verizon exclusive in the US this summer.
> What if Google adopts a simpler, single-camera A R  technique too? Android
> runs on so many different phones and software revisions that it might be
> hard to catch up. It could be even more of a challenge for A R  rivals
> Facebook, Microsoft and Snapchat, which have to build apps that run on top
> of iOS and Android since they don't have popular phones of their own.
> Quiet launch buys time
>
> Apple's original iPhone didn't kick off the smartphone: it was predated by
> the BlackBerry, the Palm Treo, Windows Phones and other devices.
> James Martin/CNET
> Despite its reputation as an innovator, Apple has a long history of being
> fashionably late to the party. "For us, it's never been about being first
> to
> anything," Cook said in a WWDC interview with Bloomberg.
> "We didn't have the first MP3 player. We didn't have the first smartphone.
> We didn't have the first tablet," he continued, explaining why the
> company's
> new HomePod smart speaker -- unveiled alongside A R  and VR announcements
> --
> was A R riving so long after Amazon's Echo and Google Home. "It's not about
> being first. It's about being the best."
> In almost all those cases, Apple revealed its products with a flashy
> presentation to drum up consumer excitement. The company's move to A R  and
> VR isn't quite the same; A R  and VR A R e being telegraphed even earlier
> so
> app developers can begin to tinker A R ound with the tech, and so new
> hardware and accessories can be lined up without piercing the veil of
> secrecy.
> That's important, because so far, Apple's demos don't feel like game
> changers. An interactive Star Wars VR scene from Lucasfilm's Industrial
> Light & Magic division? Cool, but you've been able to download a similar
> one
> for VR-ready Windows PCs for months now. A slightly more realistic Pokemon
> Go? Great, but that's so 2016.
> And while Apple's A R  demo (from Peter Jackson's company Wingnut A R ) was
> graphically quite impressive, it 

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

I have to say what i am really looking forward to is their easier
image scanning thing , like if i take a picture of my mane, head,
eyes, it will directly tell me so,it is okay as it is  today, but it
could be better, it means that we could built things like TapTapSee
into the system, lots of things are coming up, i think:)

On 6/14/17, CHUCK REICHEL  wrote:
> Hi christopher,
>
> Can't wait till next january 2018!
> Mac Pro baby!
> YEAH!
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple!
> C.R.
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:47 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the "incorrect" asumptions, so Mac Pro is getting a minor
>> refresh now, with a major refresh some time in 2018, sounds good for the
>> "pros" out there.
>>> On 14 Jun 2017, at 21:46, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> That is incorrect.  The Mac Pro is getting some minor updates right away,
>>> and a major revamp for release in 2018 or so.  Read about it here:
>>>
>>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/new-mac-pro-2018-latest-rumours-release-date-uk-price-features-specs-3536364/
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:36, christopher hallsworth
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, Mac Pro is effectively discontinued, gone, but has been replaced
>>> with the iMac Pro coming this December.
 On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:32, CHUCK REICHEL 
 wrote:

 Hi Chris,
 I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
 I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought
 may be apple went early?
 I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
 GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple




 On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging
> 2009 model.
>
> CB
>
> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed,
>> Great stuff if your into video creation / editing or virtual reality
>> creation but really nothing exciting
>> Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that for years
>> / versions,
>> So has firefox and google chrome,
>> The files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home
>> speaker to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a
>> lesser scale,
>> I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
>> itunes music library
>> As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an increase in
>> processor type / quality up to the cabielake,
>> Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>
>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have
>> said,
>> Holy bad ass batman!
>>
>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>
>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>
>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>> 
>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but
>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and
>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted
>> the device starts a
>>
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Re: Learning to code for IOS and MAC

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Alex do you know of apple Devs who might be interested in taking on a
job? we are talking about a  $ income on about 3 grand possibly more.

On 6/13/17, Alex Hall  wrote:
> I did it online. Learn the basics of Swift (Apple's programming language)
> first, so you have an idea of how to write and read code you'll see. Then
> check out AppleVis, where there are a few guides and forums on the topic.
> Xcode is what you'll need to write apps, so grab that from the App Store on
> Mac and follow the guides to start to learn it.
>
> I know this is a huge over simplification, but those are the very basics. As
> you learn more details, you can ask questions. A few email lists are
> mv-...@googlegroups.com , and
> xc...@apple-dev.groups.io. The former is for VI people, the latter isn't but
> should still have helpful members. Oh, you might want
> co...@apple-dev.groups.io once you get more into it. Finally, Apple has a
> free ebook on Swift, available through iBooks, and there are tons of online
> resources. Just try to find Swift 3 whenever you can as learning older Swift
> may prove confusing.Finally, all this presupposes you have a solid grasp of
> the fundamentals of programming. If you don't, you should start there. You
> need to understand functions, variables, classes/objects, flow control,
> imports, and other coding concepts before much of Swift will make sense.  
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>
>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 02:56, afik Suffir  wrote:
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>>
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

I am not sure any one of them does, i have 2 with 2 different connections.

On 6/3/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> As I said when apple brought outthe lightening headphones,
>
>  They need an adaptor from the lightening connector to the male 3.5mm
> headphone jack so you can use their headphones in their own machines.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, 4 June 2017 1:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>
> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA
> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
> on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
> you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
> bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
>> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>  The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
>> below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
>> touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
>> start or stop voice over.
>>  The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
>> the
>> Mac proper.
>>  The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my previous
>> adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C instead
>> of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on all the phones
>> and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size difference so
>> I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included
>> cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit in
>> the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
>>  While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM
>> jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you have to use
>> different headphones.
>>  The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s very fast
>> and the new processors do very well running virtual images.  But it’s just
>> not fun to use.  My mid 2015 model is so much more enjoyable to type on
>> and all my cables work.  Apple your laptops this year are a miss in my
>> opinion.  I won’t go back to windows but I bet I could be convinced to try
>> chrome books or something else.
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i dunno, i kinda promised my self i would get rid of this mac book pro
do to its crappy speakers, they really are bad compared to the newest
mac book, but since i only use this one computer for flying , i can
live with it ,

On 6/3/17, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> Hi Scott.
>
> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I convinced him
> to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>
> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch which
> i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the Apple watch
> but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is better than the
> second Gen.
>
> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on it.
> I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac Safe plug on
> it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it
> that Apple seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when
> I will purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going strong
> and as long as I can run the latest software on them then it's just fine for
> me.  However, one of these days we won't be able to run the latest software
> so then it will be time to buy another IMac and MacMini as I love both set
> ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I
> will be able to!
>
> Kawal.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>
>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
>> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>  The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
>> below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
>> touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
>> start or stop voice over.
>>  The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
>> the
>> Mac proper.
>>  The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my previous
>> adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C instead
>> of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on all the phones
>> and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size difference so
>> I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included
>> cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit in
>> the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
>>  While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM
>> jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you have to use
>> different headphones.
>>  The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s very fast
>> and the new processors do very well running virtual images.  But it’s just
>> not fun to use.  My mid 2015 model is so much more enjoyable to type on
>> and all my cables work.  Apple your laptops this year are a miss in my
>> opinion.  I won’t go back to windows but I bet I could be convinced to try
>> chrome books or something else.
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.


Sandie.

On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA
> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
> on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
> you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
> bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
>> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>  The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
>> below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
>> touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
>> start or stop voice over.
>>  The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
>> the
>> Mac proper.
>>  The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my previous
>> adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C instead
>> of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on all the phones
>> and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size difference so
>> I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included
>> cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit in
>> the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
>>  While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM
>> jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you have to use
>> different headphones.
>>  The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s very fast
>> and the new processors do very well running virtual images.  But it’s just
>> not fun to use.  My mid 2015 model is so much more enjoyable to type on
>> and all my cables work.  Apple your laptops this year are a miss in my
>> opinion.  I won’t go back to windows but I bet I could be convinced to try
>> chrome books or something else.
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Re: Scanning solutions for mac?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, i use fine reader, or fine reader pro, my way of doing it is a
little different though.
I have a optibook, so i kinda have to do a bunch of things to make it
work, but when all  is said and done it makes beautiful books.
It is running in windows, though .

On 5/26/17, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Maria,
>
> The only FineReader for Mac is FineReader Pro and I’ve already said that it
> is my scanning solution of choice for the Mac. It’s completely accessible
> and provides a huge range of output formats as well as handling up to three
> languages in one document.
> You asked what my problem was with Prizmo, but I can’t remember exactly, I
> just found it messy to use and the results weren’t good. However, other
> people use it quite happily, so maybe it’s improved since I last tried it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>> On 26 May 2017, at 08:22, Maria Chapman  wrote:
>>
>> HI.
>>
>> Thanks. So has  anyone’ used docuscan and fine reader? Pros and Cons?
>> Maria
>>
>>> On 26 May 2017, at 2:00 pm, E.T.  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Finereader Pro is accessible.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 5/25/2017 8:52 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
 HI.

 what problems are you having with Prizmo?
 How accessible is fine reader pro?

 thanks
 Maria

> On 25 May 2017, at 1:59 am, Anne Robertson 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Maria,
>
> Docuscan as far as I know, only handles English which made it a no no
> for me, but those who use it seem very satisfied.
> I use FineReader Pro which can deal with three different languages in
> the same document meaning that I don’t need to know which language I’m
> scanning.
> I also have Prizmo but have never had much success with it. However, I
> know others who love Prizmo so I probably haven’t put in the time to
> get it right.
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>> On 24 May 2017, at 07:25, Maria Chapman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> HI.
>>
>> Am looking at possible scanning options with the mac.  I am tossing up
>> between 3. Prizmo, Fine Reader, and docuscan. What is everyone using,
>> and what are the pros and cons?
>> Thanks.
>> Maria
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Re: go pro camera software accessible?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i guess it depends on what you use it for, if i am doing something
musical related i go live on  facebook, it works, so have not tried
anything else, when we offload in the LC, we mount the cam on the
iPhone in the front window of the car

On 5/13/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
> It is somewhat but honestly what I do is just use the camera and read the
> files off with my laptop and then work with them.  The GoPro software is
> useful but is more for sited folks watching on the phone what the camera
> misdoing or moving files etc.  With the card and a reader at least I’m able
> to do what I need.
>
>> On May 13, 2017, at 1:57 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>>
>> Hello All:
>>
>> Does anyone know if the software for the Go Pro video camera is accessible
>> using Voiceover?
>>
>> Many thanks in advance,
>>
>> Jean
>>
>> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
>> Senior Research Fellow
>> Trans4m Center For Integral Development
>> Geneva, Switzerland
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Re: voiceover speech in words per minute?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i am sure if you ask apple they can tell you.

On 5/11/17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> Hi folks,
> There is a research from the WAI interest group,
> www.w3c.org/wai
> Who is doing a presentation on the ability of users to process  using
> screen readers at often very fast words per minute.
> He desires including all platforms, with Voiceover rates only set in
> percentages.
> Anyone have  a good source for how those percentages translate into wpm in
> voiceover on the mac or in Ios?
> Thanks,
> Karen
>
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Re: Audio Hijack and VM machines.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

it works adoringly, we use it all the time with the flight sim.

On 5/8/17, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> Can anybody verify for me that Audio HiJack works with Fusion VM's. I am
> thinking it would be convenient for attaching defects to issue reports, but
> would love to know if there are any issues or complexities.
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Re: Apple Accessibility is great.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i have yet to have bad time with apple support or their accessibility team,

On 4/26/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> I'd like to know if NZ has an apple accessibility number,
>
>  Most of the time we get people that don't know what day it is rather than
> what they are using.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 April 2017 11:40 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility is great.
>
> I don’t think that’s slagging Apple.  For example, if I didn’t care I would
> have just switched to the other guys.  I actually forwarded my concerns as
> Ray mentioned and also raised concerns about issues I had with Google to
> them directly as well.  (I have better connections at Google)  I care so I
> raise the concerns with the hopes things will improve.
>
>
>> On Apr 25, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> Let's say Ray, people do slag Apple off on this list when something is not
>> to their satisfaction or that Siri isn't as good as so and so.  For
>> example you can read mails from the past few days.  Everyone is entitled
>> to their opinion and yes at times, I do criticise when it is needed.  But
>> at times, I think a lot of people forget that Apple is good because we
>> have voice Over on a main stream computer.  I know that many of us have
>> got used to this so when something isn't right, we will criticise and
>> complain and we will take what we have for granted.  I am no exception.  I
>> admit that I do criticise and complain and others will go on the defensive
>> when they are called out for doing so.  There is no harm when something
>> isn't right.  So Ray, this isn't about one operating system or another.
>> It's about a wonderful service that we have from a mainstream provider of
>> computer software.  You can have this on Windows if you are using jaws but
>> not using Narrator.  That was my point Ray.
>>
>> Kawal.
>>> On 25 Apr 2017, at 18:57, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>>>
>>> Kawal,
>>>
>>> What causes you to think we want to “slag Apple off”?  Surely, you are
>>> aware that most of us here use Macs and other Apple products with a
>>> fairly high degree of personal and professional satisfaction.  As for the
>>> e-mail you mentioned, surely, you are aware that this was a spam e-mail
>>> designed to scare you?  You were right to be suspicious.  Yes, Apple’s
>>> accessibility department has undergone much revision of late and this
>>> fact can be hard to see if one has not dealt with Apple over the phone
>>> for a little while.  I myself came from using windows and JAWS back in
>>> November of 2009.  I can say without reservation that it is my firm
>>> intention to NEVER switch back to windows.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>>> built-in
>>>
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>
 On Apr 25, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
 wrote:

 Hi.

 Before any of you slag Apple off, just listen to my story then you can
 slagg Apple to high heaven!

 Today I found an e-mail which said that my Apple Storage plan was under
 threat.  So I got really worried because recently I had a lot of e-mails
 which were all phishing e-mails and wanted to make sure this was not
 another one.

 So I called the normal number which I normally called and after talking
 to an apple advisor, he put me through to Apple accessibility who really
 helped with everything.  I'll tell you, he was great.  He also said that
 the department was open 24 7 and he gave me the UK Accessibility phone
 number which I paste below for those who live in the UK.

 The number is:

 0800 048 0754.

 Please give this number to your friends who use Apple.

 I cannot praise the person on the other end highly enough as he solved
 my problems in about 5 minutes.  However we chatted for at least 20
 minutes.  He was so imporessed with my voice over skills as he said he
 spoke to a lot of people who had lost their vision or who had come to
 use voice over after switching from jaws.

 So now who ever wants to, can slag Apple off to their heart's content!
 I won't this evening.

 Kawal.

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Re: Tim Cook almost pulled Uber from the app store

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Simon, im with Scott as usual, i dare to say, what the goverment does,
with yoru so called private information, is scary.
I have said this before i shall say it once again, even if you delete
an application from your computer, mac or iphone / IPad, little things
might still be installed. if anyone can take advances of you, they
most likely will.
It is sad, but it is true.


On 4/25/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Believe me, what the governments do is far worse and more intrusive.
>
> But this ain’t exactly a great thing.  And I agree, possible court cases
> depending on what the state of things is now and if it’s been addressed.
>
>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Great work,
>>
>> And people get concerned about governments watching / spying on what they
>> do.
>>
>> This I could see becoming a courtcase
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2017 5:52 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>> Subject: Tim Cook almost pulled Uber from the app store
>>
>> In the what were they thinking camp, Uber apparently was using iPhone
>> unique information to fingerprint devices and also track phones even if
>> the app was uninstalled.  Uber has been having a whole host of security
>> and privacy issues lately and this is just another, a really big one.
>> Folks interested can read more here.  Keep in mind, even if you hard reset
>> your phone and removed everything Uber could still track you.
>>
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/tim-cook-once-threatened-to-pull-uber-from-app-store-as-the-app-was-tracking-users-even-when-deleted/
>> 
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Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Get both google and Apple, best of both worlds,?

On 4/23/17, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> That was what i was about to write a couple mails ago, many of those digital
> assistants have no or limited functionality outside the US. I’m not certain
> that even Google or Siri for that matter works at their fullest here in
> Sweden and then let’s not even begin to talk Samsungs new Bixby. I wonder
> when or rather if it will ever reach these cold is it latitudes?:-)
> /Krister
>
>> 23 apr. 2017 kl. 14:18 skrev David Chittenden :
>>
>> Step outside the US, and Alexa falls apart. Unlike Siri and Google, Alexa
>> does not support anything outside it's limited geographical area. This is
>> why it is able to be so much better there, it is limited in scope.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 23/04/2017, at 20:50, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes. Just search for Reverb for Amazon Alexa.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Apr 23, 2017, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty 
 wrote:

 So Sean,

 This amazon alexa is available through an app for my iPhone?

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
 Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 9:47 PM
 To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital
 assistant game

 Hi Scott. I'm not Yuma but I can tell you who I think is the better AI.
 After watching demos of the two of them, Alexa still wins hands down.
 Sure, with Google Now, when you ask it questions, you can ask subsequent
 questions about the topic you started with it. Alexa has a hard time
 with that, but she has more smart devices she can connect to than
 Google. On a video I saw, you can rectify the problem by using IFTTT,
 but that sounds like it could be more complicated than it should be.
 Also, it just sounds better to call your virtual assistant by a name
 rather than Google or Amazon, so Alexa wins there too. Lastly, I can use
 Alexa anywhere I wish, on my Mac or on my phone using Reverb and Google
 doesn't have anything like that yet to my knowledge besides Allo, which
 like I said in my last message, only sends messages through text. I'd
 rather have the app speak the messages the assistant sends automatically
 like Alexa does in Reverb. So for me, Alexa takes it.

 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Apr 23, 2017, at 3:19 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
>
> Wow there’s a lot of great points here.
>
> I’m curious, as someone who’s heavily involved in AI who do you think
> is the absolute cutting edge right now outside the classified space.
> Maybe you could rank a little the major publicly visible efforts like
> Watson verses Google verses Amazon and such.  Who makes you think wow
> that’s really impressive?  We know Apple in many ways is behind the
> times but who’s way ahead?
>
> Also, do you have any published papers or anything I could read of your
> work you’ve impressed me with your response and I’d like to learn more
> about where you’re coming from.
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
>
>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 3:54 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to chime in for a few points:
>>
>> Apple is dispersing itself a bit too much. What's next on the line? A
>> Lavazza partnership for a coffee machine? Or maybe some jogging shoes
>> with mag safe laces? Better yet, a Mars lander capsule with an
>> enhanced version of voice over? Wait, the latter is something they
>> should aim for, shoot to mars projects, not attempts at capturing
>> consumer markets outside of what they do best.
>>
>> In terms of the A.I, as a daily A.I programmer, I'm not impressed at
>> all. Why does siri forget a name I call all the time when it worked
>> until then? What is the use of asking me the same thing all the time,
>> when siri should know that I know the command better and faster than
>> it can respond? And what about putting some of the phrases together,
>> and assist in performance driven ways, which is the one major reason
>> why I would like an assistant as a blind user? Wait, this bleeds into
>> all users anyway, and google now + alexia are taking cloud based and
>> data centric approaches way higher. To be fair, Apple's frameworks are
>> increasingly better, and the sheer 

Re: File transfer for mac and Voiceover.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Anders, why not just tell us what files we talk about, you know it
would make it a little more easy on the geeks in here . if we are
talking ebooks, music, messages can be used, is it program files, im
not sure if it will work.

On 4/16/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> HI Anders,
>
>  Apologies for th edelay,
>
>  One thing I use which only works for work currently is
> VPN connection to the network I'm accessing and then mapped or shared drives
> between my notebook and the machine at work.
>
> Ok this is within windows but I'm pretty sure you can do the same thing with
> the mac os.
>
>  The main reason for VPN is to get the secure connection to the correct
> network.
>
> I can do it with home as well but the VPN isn't working as yet,
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Saturday, 15 April 2017 9:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: File transfer for mac and Voiceover.
>
> Hi!
> Okso what would you use my friend
>> 14 apr. 2017 kl. 23:25 skrev Simon Fogarty :
>>
>> Is this just for file transfers between your devices?
>>
>> I wouldn't use FTP for that but it's really up to the individual.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Saturday, 15 April 2017 1:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: File transfer for mac and Voiceover.
>>
>> Hi!
>> I was thinking of setting up a ftp server on both my mac and android.
>> Then i could access files with my android on my mac and vice versa.
>> /A
>>> 14 apr. 2017 kl. 05:03 skrev Larry Thacker Jr.
>>> :
>>>
>>> It’s only a guess on my part.  Perhaps someone with more experience than
>>> I can answer the arrangement question.  I know of no way to easily
>>> arrange things with a few keystrokes the way one could in Windows.  But
>>> then again I never met a Windows screen reader that could drag and drop
>>> in the first place.  Oh technically the function could be accomplished
>>> with mouse control hotkeys but I never saw it work.
>>>
 On Apr 13, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Anders Holmberg 
 wrote:

 Hi!
 So they have to be side by side for example?
 How do i get them side by side then?
 /A
> 13 apr. 2017 kl. 15:34 skrev Larry Thacker Jr.
> :
>
> If VO is doing what it seems to be doing and simulating an actual drag
> and drop, then both locations would have to be visually accessible for
> the operation to complete.  My suspicion would be that the windows are
> overlapping and thus the source and destination are not visible at the
> same time.
>
>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:08 AM, Anders Holmberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>> Ok, now my usb problem is solved and i now have got another problem.
>> How do i transfer files from the mac to android via the file transfer
>> app?
>> Copy and paste does not work and dragging and dropping is the only way
>> to move files.
>> But the drag and drop thing does not work properly for me.
>> When i am on the file i want to drag I press vo , and then command tab
>> to file transfer for android.
>> Here is a table and i have went down to the specific folder i want the
>> file to be stored to.
>> I have opened it with command down arrow.
>> Now i press vo and the period sign then i see a dialog with the file
>> and after a while i hear that the dragging and dropping was
>> unsuccessful.
>> Why must it be so difficult to have another operating system than the
>> mac?
>> /A
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Re: File transfer for mac and Voiceover.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Anders you have messages too, no? that should take care of the most
file needs, depending again on what it is you wanna copied between 2
devices.

On 4/14/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> Okso what would you use my friend
>> 14 apr. 2017 kl. 23:25 skrev Simon Fogarty :
>>
>> Is this just for file transfers between your devices?
>>
>> I wouldn't use FTP for that but it's really up to the individual.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Saturday, 15 April 2017 1:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: File transfer for mac and Voiceover.
>>
>> Hi!
>> I was thinking of setting up a ftp server on both my mac and android.
>> Then i could access files with my android on my mac and vice versa.
>> /A
>>> 14 apr. 2017 kl. 05:03 skrev Larry Thacker Jr.
>>> :
>>>
>>> It’s only a guess on my part.  Perhaps someone with more experience than
>>> I can answer the arrangement question.  I know of no way to easily
>>> arrange things with a few keystrokes the way one could in Windows.  But
>>> then again I never met a Windows screen reader that could drag and drop
>>> in the first place.  Oh technically the function could be accomplished
>>> with mouse control hotkeys but I never saw it work.
>>>
 On Apr 13, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Anders Holmberg 
 wrote:

 Hi!
 So they have to be side by side for example?
 How do i get them side by side then?
 /A
> 13 apr. 2017 kl. 15:34 skrev Larry Thacker Jr.
> :
>
> If VO is doing what it seems to be doing and simulating an actual drag
> and drop, then both locations would have to be visually accessible for
> the operation to complete.  My suspicion would be that the windows are
> overlapping and thus the source and destination are not visible at the
> same time.
>
>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:08 AM, Anders Holmberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>> Ok, now my usb problem is solved and i now have got another problem.
>> How do i transfer files from the mac to android via the file transfer
>> app?
>> Copy and paste does not work and dragging and dropping is the only way
>> to move files.
>> But the drag and drop thing does not work properly for me.
>> When i am on the file i want to drag I press vo , and then command tab
>> to file transfer for android.
>> Here is a table and i have went down to the specific folder i want the
>> file to be stored to.
>> I have opened it with command down arrow.
>> Now i press vo and the period sign then i see a dialog with the file
>> and after a while i hear that the dragging and dropping was
>> unsuccessful.
>> Why must it be so difficult to have another operating system than the
>> mac?
>> /A
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Re: File transfer for mac and Voiceover.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Anders , have your email on both devices, and transfer it that way,

On 4/14/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> It sure helps a lot.
> Thanks for your great encouragement on this topic.
> I am very happy with this list as always.
> People really helps and encourage me here.
> /A
>> 14 apr. 2017 kl. 16:08 skrev Erik Burggraaf :
>>
>> Hi Anders,
>>
>> The android file transfer for mac is deficient as you saw.  I also tried
>> an android app called droidnas.  This is a very cool idea.  You can get it
>> from the play store.  I didn't get it to work but could be they have
>> improved it or something about your devices will click.
>>
>> Sharing a folder via ftp from your mac is a fabulous idea.  Turbo ftp from
>> the play store is accessible and you can do the transfers quickly over
>> wifi.
>>
>> I think ES file explorer now has a network transfer option so you could
>> look at that.
>>
>> Finally there is tonido personal cloud and it's companion android app
>> which also should work but provide you more flexible options such as
>> secure streaming of media.
>>
>> I lost interest in this topic when my mac went off to the great
>> electronics recycler in the sky, but I did try to start a discussion on
>> inclusive android when it was something I needed hard core and couldn't
>> get.  You could try renewing that topic and see if any one else has
>> ideas.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Erik
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> On April 14, 2017 9:56:20 AM Anders Holmberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>> I was thinking of setting up a ftp server on both my mac and android.
>>> Then i could access files with my android on my mac and vice versa.
>>> /A
 14 apr. 2017 kl. 05:03 skrev Larry Thacker Jr.
 :

 It’s only a guess on my part.  Perhaps someone with more experience than
 I can answer the arrangement question.  I know of no way to easily
 arrange things with a few keystrokes the way one could in Windows.  But
 then again I never met a Windows screen reader that could drag and drop
 in the first place.  Oh technically the function could be accomplished
 with mouse control hotkeys but I never saw it work.

> On Apr 13, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Anders Holmberg 
> wrote:
>
> Hi!
> So they have to be side by side for example?
> How do i get them side by side then?
> /A
>> 13 apr. 2017 kl. 15:34 skrev Larry Thacker Jr.
>> :
>>
>> If VO is doing what it seems to be doing and simulating an actual drag
>> and drop, then both locations would have to be visually accessible for
>> the operation to complete.  My suspicion would be that the windows are
>> overlapping and thus the source and destination are not visible at the
>> same time.
>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:08 AM, Anders Holmberg 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>> Ok, now my usb problem is solved and i now have got another problem.
>>> How do i transfer files from the mac to android via the file transfer
>>> app?
>>> Copy and paste does not work and dragging and dropping is the only
>>> way to move files.
>>> But the drag and drop thing does not work properly for me.
>>> When i am on the file i want to drag I press vo , and then command
>>> tab to file transfer for android.
>>> Here is a table and i have went down to the specific folder i want
>>> the file to be stored to.
>>> I have opened it with command down arrow.
>>> Now i press vo and the period sign then i see a dialog with the file
>>> and after a while i hear that the dragging and dropping was
>>> unsuccessful.
>>> Why must it be so difficult to have another operating system than the
>>> mac?
>>> /A
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Re: Using Lame encoder in Mac with Audacity

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i may have it somewhere, it is tolerate today for me to look for it
though, google lame encoder mac, and it might pop up.

On 4/11/17, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> You can get the lame encoder through one of the package managers such as
> homebrew or macports.  I use homebrew and it is at https://brew.sh
> .
> You could then type brew install lame at the command prompt.
> I'm sure you could also get a Mac install package from somewhere like source
> forge.
>
> After it is installed, you would either use it at the command line or set up
> whatever gui app you are wanting to use it through.  I don't know anything
> about audacity, so you would have to know how to do that.
>
>
> On Apr 10, 2017, at 20:29, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I want to install Lame Encoder on my latest version of Mac, and use it with
> Audacity 2.11 screen reader version.  Do I use the same lame encoder
> download file that I would use in Windows?  And how do I install/use it?
>
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Re: Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually Impaired

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

I guess the way the Us deals with blindness is like almost anywhere i
know of in the rest of the better off countries, you are on some sort
of disability if you can’t feed your self.
However it seems to be easier to get a job in the us than other places
if you are good at what you do, now for the apple part, i want more
picture reading capabilities.
I am going to get the red version if i at all cost can:)

On 3/25/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
> The way we do things in the US is definitely not perfect, far from it, but
> our special brand of freedom and nuttiness that we have here is good for me.
>  I’d rather try to find work here than just about anywhere else in the
> world.  I was offered a position in Amsterdam recently (let the jokes begin)
> but I didn’t take it because I couldn’t even fathom dealing with another
> countries way of dealing with the blind and the way the folks there operate.
>  I’ll travel any day of the week but making a move outside the US, not so
> sure about that.
>
>
>
>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 4:32 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah very few companys here in nz take the give it a go attitude
>>
>> Shame really, as we've got a lot of smart people willing to give it a
>> try.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Saturday, 25 March 2017 5:49 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>> Subject: Re: Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually Impaired
>>
>> Apple does view us that way.  There are several blind engineers at Apple
>> some on this list in fact.  There are also blind employees at the retail
>> stores.   I have never seen a blind person in a large scale retail
>> setting.  Small businesses yes but never working at Starbucks to use your
>> example.  There are many companies though that are pretty open minded.
>> Juniper Networks, Cisco, IBM, Verizon Wireless, L. L. Bean, just to name a
>> few who have been very good to me and or I know of other blind people
>> working there.  Cisco has several as does Apple and IBM has been hiring
>> blind programmers and engineers for decades.
>>
>> There out there and while there are knuckleheads out there let’s also
>> remember there’s a lot of good forward thinking people out there as well.
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 4:24 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>
>>> And on that every country has it's different rules and then for the
>>> likes of the USA different states or terratorys have different rules
>>> again,
>>>
>>> I'd love the likes of starbucks or apple especially to view us in the
>>> world of the blind / visually impaired as having the ability to work.
>>>
>>> There are a lot of very able bodied people out there in the world that
>>> have a disability I had to fight against sighted people to get my
>>> permanent job position,
>>>
>>> My overall knowledge only just made that possible.
>>>
>>> Yet I can't get the company I work for to make a web based app
>>> accessible
>>>
>>> I would say that more people even if they have no plans to go seaking
>>> work / employment should still put their hands up to fight,
>>>
>>>
>>> A collective agreement is generally more powerfull than an individual
>>> agreement.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Friday, 24 March 2017 5:11 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually
>>> Impaired
>>>
>>>   Let me add some flour and yeast to the mix also.
>>>
>>>   Ours is not a very cohesive society. Its extremely fragmented on many
>>> levels. I won't go into the politics of it, just that its unfortunate
>>> that all the various pieces have to practice their own advocacy to
>>> achieve the same goal. As far as those with disabilities, while the ADA
>>> was a necessary instrument whose aim is to level the playing field, it
>>> has not made society inclusive thus the ongoing battles and skirmishes
>>> since its inception when it was passed 27 years ago.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 3/23/2017 8:07 PM, Michelle's Home Emails wrote:
 Hi all,

 Michelle here,

 What about the Deafblind community who gets very easily over looked
 during these conversations.

 Also there is a huge difference between a person who is vision impaired
 and person like myself who is totally blind and profoundly deaf with
 only light perception.

 Had to put this in the mix.

 Michelle Stevens

 Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 

Re: step by step "tutorial"" for using the new Audio Hijack interface?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

I have it , but since the only thing i use it for is flying, where we
just crank anything and everything up as loud as you can im not sure i
will be of much help

On 3/21/17, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> Hi Chuck,
>
> Alex Hall - if I remember correctly - a member of this list did a short
> tutorial on Audiohijack 3, which you could possibly find on applevis website
> by doing a search.  The website url is
> www.applevis.com 
>
> Andrew
>> On 20 Mar 2017, at 22:30, CHUCK REICHEL 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi List,
>> I just upgraded to Audio Hijack 3 on my El Capitan box, and Was wondering
>> if anybody had a quick "step by step "tutorial"" for using the new Audio
>> Hijack interface?
>> Thanks
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> CHUCK REICHEL
>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
>> 954-742-0019
>> Isaiah 26 : 3
>>  Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee:
>> because he trusteth in thee.
>>
>> In GOD I Trust
>>
>>
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Re: Iphone in Lost mode.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

I have to admit i am always lost in technology manuals on flights like
this.  Unless if the person next to me is interesting, my Gfs says im
mentally picky, not sure if that is good or bad.

On 3/13/17, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> Hi!
> When i went from Sweden to Florida it took 8 hours.
> Not long but boring!
> /A
>> 13 mars 2017 kl. 13:18 skrev Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Scott, im usually down south where the wild gals are, but am born in
>> scandinavia, but generally speaking im allover and in between the Us
>> and Dk.
>>
>> On 3/12/17, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I did not know you were from Scandinavia, never been to that part of the
>>> world, it’s still on the list.
>>>
>>>> On Mar 11, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Scott in scandinavia, we are more civilized, we use a Tawse :)
>>>>
>>>> On 3/10/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> Also the wiping of the device can be set when you setup the pin code.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the wrong pin code is entered 10 times incorrectly then the phone
>>>>> gets
>>>>> wiped.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly that has happened which is good because no one gets their
>>>>> hands
>>>>> on
>>>>> your data and the phone is still locked
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2017 4:50 AM
>>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Iphone in Lost mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> It depends on your region if the police will care or not.  I used that
>>>>> feature when I had a phone stolen several years back when I was still
>>>>> in
>>>>> San
>>>>> Francisco and let’s just say I had my own representative go retrieve
>>>>> the
>>>>> phone rather than the authorities.;)
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 10, 2017, at 7:18 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HI!
>>>>>> You can but can the police?
>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>> 8 mars 2017 kl. 19:23 skrev Sandi Jazmin Kruse
>>>>>>> <sandi1...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> interesting , i thought you could find your Iphone with that
>>>>>>> feature...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/8/17, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>> My Iphone got stolen last sunday and thank god for apples find my
>>>>>>>> Iphone so i could put it in lost mode and then delete it.
>>>>>>>> A question though.
>>>>>>>> Will it still be shown in icloud so i have to remove it from
>>>>>>>> icloud?
>>>>>>>> I have downgraded to an Iphone 4 S which i don’t recommend if
>>>>>>>> you’re
>>>>>>>> used to something faster.
>>>>>>>> But it works so thats not a problem.
>>>>>>>> /A
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Re: Iphone in Lost mode.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Scott, im usually down south where the wild gals are, but am born in
scandinavia, but generally speaking im allover and in between the Us
and Dk.

On 3/12/17, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I did not know you were from Scandinavia, never been to that part of the
> world, it’s still on the list.
>
>> On Mar 11, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Scott in scandinavia, we are more civilized, we use a Tawse :)
>>
>> On 3/10/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> Also the wiping of the device can be set when you setup the pin code.
>>>
>>> If the wrong pin code is entered 10 times incorrectly then the phone
>>> gets
>>> wiped.
>>>
>>>
>>> Possibly that has happened which is good because no one gets their hands
>>> on
>>> your data and the phone is still locked
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2017 4:50 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Iphone in Lost mode.
>>>
>>> It depends on your region if the police will care or not.  I used that
>>> feature when I had a phone stolen several years back when I was still in
>>> San
>>> Francisco and let’s just say I had my own representative go retrieve the
>>> phone rather than the authorities.;)
>>>
>>>> On Mar 10, 2017, at 7:18 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> HI!
>>>> You can but can the police?
>>>> /A
>>>>> 8 mars 2017 kl. 19:23 skrev Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> interesting , i thought you could find your Iphone with that
>>>>> feature...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/8/17, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> My Iphone got stolen last sunday and thank god for apples find my
>>>>>> Iphone so i could put it in lost mode and then delete it.
>>>>>> A question though.
>>>>>> Will it still be shown in icloud so i have to remove it from icloud?
>>>>>> I have downgraded to an Iphone 4 S which i don’t recommend if you’re
>>>>>> used to something faster.
>>>>>> But it works so thats not a problem.
>>>>>> /A
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Re: Iphone in Lost mode.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Scott in scandinavia, we are more civilized, we use a Tawse :)

On 3/10/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> Also the wiping of the device can be set when you setup the pin code.
>
> If the wrong pin code is entered 10 times incorrectly then the phone gets
> wiped.
>
>
> Possibly that has happened which is good because no one gets their hands on
> your data and the phone is still locked
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2017 4:50 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Iphone in Lost mode.
>
> It depends on your region if the police will care or not.  I used that
> feature when I had a phone stolen several years back when I was still in San
> Francisco and let’s just say I had my own representative go retrieve the
> phone rather than the authorities.;)
>
>> On Mar 10, 2017, at 7:18 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>> wrote:
>>
>> HI!
>> You can but can the police?
>> /A
>>> 8 mars 2017 kl. 19:23 skrev Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> interesting , i thought you could find your Iphone with that feature...
>>>
>>> On 3/8/17, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>>> Hi!
>>>> My Iphone got stolen last sunday and thank god for apples find my
>>>> Iphone so i could put it in lost mode and then delete it.
>>>> A question though.
>>>> Will it still be shown in icloud so i have to remove it from icloud?
>>>> I have downgraded to an Iphone 4 S which i don’t recommend if you’re
>>>> used to something faster.
>>>> But it works so thats not a problem.
>>>> /A
>>>>
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Re: Iphone in Lost mode.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Scott have never tried it personally, but good that you found a way ss

On 3/10/17, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> Hi!
> I actually did but i guess the one who stole it sold it.
> So now i have an old Iphone 4 S.
> It works great even though its slower and the speaker is horrible.
> But i have ordered a moto g 5 which isn’t very expensive.
> Maybe i have more money when the aughtum comes with more new apple goodies.
> /A
>> 10 mars 2017 kl. 14:36 skrev Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> A, tell the cops where it is, how you come to know this and see if that
>> helps?
>>
>> On 3/10/17, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>> HI!
>>> You can but can the police?
>>> /A
>>>> 8 mars 2017 kl. 19:23 skrev Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> interesting , i thought you could find your Iphone with that feature...
>>>>
>>>> On 3/8/17, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> My Iphone got stolen last sunday and thank god for apples find my
>>>>> Iphone
>>>>> so
>>>>> i could put it in lost mode and then delete it.
>>>>> A question though.
>>>>> Will it still be shown in icloud so i have to remove it from icloud?
>>>>> I have downgraded to an Iphone 4 S which i don’t recommend if you’re
>>>>> used
>>>>> to
>>>>> something faster.
>>>>> But it works so thats not a problem.
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Re: Iphone in Lost mode.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

A, tell the cops where it is, how you come to know this and see if that helps?

On 3/10/17, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> HI!
> You can but can the police?
> /A
>> 8 mars 2017 kl. 19:23 skrev Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> interesting , i thought you could find your Iphone with that feature...
>>
>> On 3/8/17, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> My Iphone got stolen last sunday and thank god for apples find my Iphone
>>> so
>>> i could put it in lost mode and then delete it.
>>> A question though.
>>> Will it still be shown in icloud so i have to remove it from icloud?
>>> I have downgraded to an Iphone 4 S which i don’t recommend if you’re used
>>> to
>>> something faster.
>>> But it works so thats not a problem.
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Re: Iphone in Lost mode.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

I dont know anything about it , but let me put it like this, no one
touch my i-devices. At least not with out my consent

On 3/8/17, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I’m not sure about the end user but I know the carrier can still track the
> phone even if it’s wiped .  Probably the end user can not though if a full
> wipe has taken place.
>
>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes, you can find it with some restrictions.  The iPhone needs to be on
>> and connected to a network.  Putting it in Lost Mode will help to restrict
>> use of it though as it will, I believe, lock it up as soon as connection
>> is made.  Once you erase the phone, though, I believe that you no longer
>> have any ability to locate it.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 11:23, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> interesting , i thought you could find your Iphone with that feature...
>>
>> On 3/8/17, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> My Iphone got stolen last sunday and thank god for apples find my Iphone
>>> so
>>> i could put it in lost mode and then delete it.
>>> A question though.
>>> Will it still be shown in icloud so i have to remove it from icloud?
>>> I have downgraded to an Iphone 4 S which i don’t recommend if you’re used
>>> to
>>> something faster.
>>> But it works so thats not a problem.
>>> /A
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Re: Iphone in Lost mode.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

interesting , i thought you could find your Iphone with that feature...

On 3/8/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> My Iphone got stolen last sunday and thank god for apples find my Iphone so
> i could put it in lost mode and then delete it.
> A question though.
> Will it still be shown in icloud so i have to remove it from icloud?
> I have downgraded to an Iphone 4 S which i don’t recommend if you’re used to
> something faster.
> But it works so thats not a problem.
> /A
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Re: good vo accessible alternatives to the finder (for searching for files)?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i use a combo of mdfind and grep, i dont touch, though ss am being a good girl

On 3/6/17, 'Roland Zitzke' via MacVisionaries
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> Jon, you are absolutely right, sorry for the over-simplification here.
> I guess I was trying to make things more simple then they are to advertise
> the use of the terminal for tasks like searching for files.
> Personally I use the terminal quite frequently because it is "always
> accessible"
> But once you get to the point where you want - for instance - to filter
> your search results through egrep you'll need to write a real RegEx with .*
>
> to match all characters.
> /Roland
>
>
> Am Sonntag, 5. März 2017 21:00:51 UTC+1 schrieb Jon:
>>
>> Quick note here, the pattern match you mention below is not considered a
>> Regular expression but instead a "glob expression".
>>
>> The primary difference is that in a glob * means match any number of any
>> characters, while in a regular expression it would be ".*" in other words
>>
>> having a period before the *. This is because regular expressions use all
>>
>> punctuation to mean something special
>>
>> The period is used to match any character.
>> The star means zero or more of the immediately preceding pattern (in this
>>
>> case . or any character).
>>
>> Generally in UNIX like systems which terminal brings you to a bSD UNIX
>> environment, most places where you are requesting a matching of file names
>>
>> u   are using a glob pattern and not a regular expression.
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan Cohn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2017, at 8:25 AM, 'Roland Zitzke' via MacVisionaries <
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>>
>>
>> I have some big folders that I need to search through forcertain files. I
>>
>>> know i should be able to do it with finder but for some reason that does
>>>
>>> not work so well for me in the latest os x. I was wondering if there are
>>>
>>> any good vo accessible finder alternatives that work well?
>>>
>>> Well, it may sound trivial but if I need to search a folder I simply open
>>>
>> Terminal, navigate to the folder I want to start my search from and then
>> type
>> find ./ -name MyFileStartsWith*
>> replacing MyFileStartsWith with the part of the file name I am looking
>> for. You can use any regular expression for your All files matching your
>> criteria are then listed.
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Re: any good and actually accessible third party transfer tools

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Okay thought image capture would do the trick, i guess you are left with email.

On 3/4/17, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ray, let me try something and be back with you :)
>
> On 3/4/17, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Was hoping I would be able to hook up my iPHone directly to my Mac using
>> USB
>> and use an actually accessible transfer app to take care of it.  Jail
>> break
>> is not an option nor is Drop Box it looks like because I get transfer
>> errors
>> in spite of the buttons all being there and not grayed out.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>> built-in
>>
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ray,
>>>
>>> I believe that with IOS applications you are dependent on what that
>>> application wants to make available. Generally, if the share activities
>>> area allows you to share to DropBox or iTunes then you should be in
>>> pretty
>>> good shape to get the file on your Macintosh. Other than that, I believe
>>> that a Jail Break solution is your only other alternative, an even then
>>> you would have to do some reverse engineering for each application.
>>>
>>> Is there perhaps a share via e-mail option for what you want to share? I
>>> always claimed that eMail was not a file transfer protocol, but in these
>>> days of automatically using iCloud for mail file attachments, consistent
>>> use of MIME  encapsulation, and encryption mail services it often seems
>>> to
>>> be more secure and reliable than using ftp, sftp rcp or other
>>> alternatives
>>> especially if you don't have an account on the both  systems.
>>>
>>> In general the Apple environment has been moving away from user
>>> controlled
>>> cross application support to instead use restricted use extensions that
>>> only allow controlled access from one application or service to another.
>>> This improves security of the systems but makes it difficult when the
>>> user
>>> does not fit into the standard mold. I just found on my work computer I
>>> was unable to rename a text file with an html extension except by going
>>> into the terminal.
>>>
>>> If this type of thing interests you, there was a great article last
>>> month
>>> I can written by a former Apple employee about how Extension services
>>> are
>>> not as flexible or powerful as the Scripting functionality in MacOS and
>>> how if Apple reduces support for this, then power users will be forced
>>> to
>>> other platforms.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 3, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net
>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Okay,
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody out there know of a good and actually accessible third
>>>> party
>>>> transfer tool with which I can transfer content from my iPhone to my
>>>> Mac?
>>>>  And please don’t mention iTunes because that will not do what I want
>>>> to
>>>> do.  Everything I have tried has basically just plain sucked because
>>>> it’s
>>>> not accessible.  Even iMazing is not accessible.  It seems that even
>>>> anytrans, (which used to be reasonably accessible) has gone down the
>>>> tubes.  It would appear, (so far) as if there is not a single third
>>>> party
>>>> transfer app that is worth much a damn!!!  Any thoughts?  Oh, and
>>>> before
>>>> you say Drop box, that won’t do it either.  I tried to move stuff from
>>>> the Audio Share app in to drop box and got a transfer error of some
>>>> kind.
>>>>  iDrive is not an option either
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
>>>> blind
>>>> built-in
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>>
>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
>>>> Wireless
>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>&

Re: any good and actually accessible third party transfer tools

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Ray, let me try something and be back with you :)

On 3/4/17, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> Was hoping I would be able to hook up my iPHone directly to my Mac using USB
> and use an actually accessible transfer app to take care of it.  Jail break
> is not an option nor is Drop Box it looks like because I get transfer errors
> in spite of the buttons all being there and not grayed out.
>
>
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>
>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>
>> Ray,
>>
>> I believe that with IOS applications you are dependent on what that
>> application wants to make available. Generally, if the share activities
>> area allows you to share to DropBox or iTunes then you should be in pretty
>> good shape to get the file on your Macintosh. Other than that, I believe
>> that a Jail Break solution is your only other alternative, an even then
>> you would have to do some reverse engineering for each application.
>>
>> Is there perhaps a share via e-mail option for what you want to share? I
>> always claimed that eMail was not a file transfer protocol, but in these
>> days of automatically using iCloud for mail file attachments, consistent
>> use of MIME  encapsulation, and encryption mail services it often seems to
>> be more secure and reliable than using ftp, sftp rcp or other alternatives
>> especially if you don't have an account on the both  systems.
>>
>> In general the Apple environment has been moving away from user controlled
>> cross application support to instead use restricted use extensions that
>> only allow controlled access from one application or service to another.
>> This improves security of the systems but makes it difficult when the user
>> does not fit into the standard mold. I just found on my work computer I
>> was unable to rename a text file with an html extension except by going
>> into the terminal.
>>
>> If this type of thing interests you, there was a great article last month
>> I can written by a former Apple employee about how Extension services are
>> not as flexible or powerful as the Scripting functionality in MacOS and
>> how if Apple reduces support for this, then power users will be forced to
>> other platforms.
>>
>>
>>  Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan Cohn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay,
>>>
>>> Does anybody out there know of a good and actually accessible third party
>>> transfer tool with which I can transfer content from my iPhone to my Mac?
>>>  And please don’t mention iTunes because that will not do what I want to
>>> do.  Everything I have tried has basically just plain sucked because it’s
>>> not accessible.  Even iMazing is not accessible.  It seems that even
>>> anytrans, (which used to be reasonably accessible) has gone down the
>>> tubes.  It would appear, (so far) as if there is not a single third party
>>> transfer app that is worth much a damn!!!  Any thoughts?  Oh, and before
>>> you say Drop box, that won’t do it either.  I tried to move stuff from
>>> the Audio Share app in to drop box and got a transfer error of some kind.
>>>  iDrive is not an option either
>>>
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>>> built-in
>>>
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: The best Profissional recording app for Voice over and Narration

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi,
Most of my stuff is recorded with a little mac book that have audacity on it.
If that is not good enough for y’all, get a r09, or other hardware
recorder, with an sd card in it , and when done lay it on your mac and
add effects.

On 2/18/17, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> I’d go for Amadeus Pro with RX 2 plug-ins or what ever plug-ins you can find
> that will meet your needs.
>
> Amadeus Pro is en excelent compromise between Audacity, (which I think will
> not give you what you want) and Pro Tools, which may perhaps be overkill for
> what you describe your needs as being.
>
>
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>
>> On Feb 18, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>>
>> I'm using my mac now, and most of my work inside my studio is
>> recording for Voice over tallents or Narraters.
>> so, what is the best app that can do this? I need an app that I can
>> change the effect after recording, also has some good noise gates,
>> some helpful materials to make my work more faster.
>> what do you all recommend:
>> Protools, Amadeus pro, Audacity? or what?
>> of cores not sound forge, because it will not allow us to control the
>> fx after recording.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
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Re: Editing in Audacity

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i have tried it a few times, given up though, what i do is, make audio
into an mp3 file and cut it on windows,

On 1/20/17, Brandon A. Olivares  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to figure out how to edit audio in Audacity. I found a tutorial
> online for how to work with Audacity using the keyboard, but it's not
> working for me. I'm not able to use the arrow keys to navigate through the
> audio.
>
> Has anyone else used Audacity to edit audio? Or, what other simple solutions
> would you recommend? GarageBand seems like overkill a bit, and it's just so
> clunky.
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Re: Vmware and the insert key.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

all he have had to do , was, use like 11.4 seconds with , yes you guessed it :)

On 1/16/17, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> The only issue with the insert key is that the Macintosh keyboard does not
> have one unless you get an extended keyboard. There is more of an issue with
> the caps lock key since even in a VM the Macintosh OS does not forward the
> caps lock to windows but instead does its thing. I wonder if this is a MacOS
> or VMWare item. You will have to go through the archives for MacVisionaries
> for solutions because that depend on the Specific OS and functionality you
> are willing to lose.
>
>
>   Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
>> On Jan 16, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>> Since i haven’t needed to install Windows 7 on vmware i didn’t follow all
>> threads about Vmware and the insert key thing.
>> So can someone explain the fussing about the insert key and Windows 7.
>> I do understand that there seems to be a problem or some sort of conflict
>> between VoiceOver and Windows.
>> Thanks all in advance.
>> /A
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi. I set goals, and my goal for this year is.
Get, needed or at least starting on certain operations,
2. build an FAA approved flight cockpit.
Yes, it will be mac driving it .
So thats it.
Amazon, here we come :)

On 1/14/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> I did although it's not an apple based resolution as such or then again is
> it.
>
>  I gave up drinking on new years eve,
>  My last drinks were a bottle of wine and 6 cyders, that's apple cyder and a
> cople of other flavours.
>
>
>
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?
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> Hi!
> The only resolution i give is to not give any resolutions.
> /A
>> 12 jan. 2017 kl. 20:55 skrev M. Taylor :
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017
>> new year resolutions?
>>
>> As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1
>> app developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver
>> accessibility in its updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently
>> non-VoiceOver accessible app developer to either add or improve VoiceOver
>> accessibility to its offerings.
>>
>> I look forward to your replies,
>>
>> Mark
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Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

nods sleepily, the b52, is , huge.

On 12/26/16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have not sat in anything that old.  I have sat in an F4 phantom in a
> museum, and in a B52 bomber as well as a B2 out at the air force base.  I
> also had a chance to ride along in an F18 before while I was doing some
> contracting.  On the rotary side I’ve flown in a CH53 and a Vietnam era UH1n
> and in private aviation a Robinson J60 pretty frequently.
>
> Good times.
>
>
>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 5:03 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Scott, correct WWII, only one single go, but then again, have you ever
>> tried ti sit in the cockpit of a Messersmith? they say it is tighter
>> than, no, wait, nothing , but a labrador can’t make a paw turn, or so
>> the story goes.
>> But i have to be honest, i am not going to jump from an airplane, if i
>> can at all cost avoid it, I’m a chicken like that :(
>>
>> On 12/25/16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I know the older world war II models didn’t but you may be right it may
>>> have
>>> been the 80s.  I didn’t start jumping until 1990 so don’t know to much
>>> about
>>> what it was like before.
>>>
>>> Got to have that reserve with you, it’s like fail over for your network
>>> but
>>> um somewhat more critical if in free fall.
>>>
>>> That’s one thing that’s nice, we tend to get smarter and safer on the
>>> technology front as time passes.
>>>
>>> And ah smoking, I haven’t had any smoke now for over 4 months.  Tobacco
>>> was
>>> never my thing but other items here and there, even though my state
>>> legalized it over the election.  I’ve been leaving the life of the
>>> straight
>>> and narrow lately which helps on the old job front.
>>>
>>> Might have to end the year with a hand rolled special though.
>>>
>>>> On Dec 24, 2016, at 11:41 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think they have had, extra ones since, the 80s. But i can be wrong.
>>>> I deftly know that one of my ACS in the sim, the Texan only have one
>>>> shoot, and that is from the 40s, not sure?
>>>>
>>>> On 12/24/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>> I honestly don't know why he didn't have a reserve. Were those common
>>>>> in
>>>>> those days? I'm speaking of the days before mandatory seat belts and
>>>>> airbags, and in the days when smoking on flights was common up and
>>>>> down
>>>>> the aisle--though this is a good decade after the famous Surgeon
>>>>> General's report against smoking.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad to hear the contingency is now commonly covered. That's a
>>>>> good
>>>>> thing, much as I hate seat belts! 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Janina
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Granados writes:
>>>>>> Why didn’t he have a reserve?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have to have a reserve in case that happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know jumping in the 70S and earlier wasn’t as easy as it is now.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> chutes were round then and you couldn’t steer them very easily.  I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> friend who jumped with a round chute up in Massachusetts and ended up
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Connecticut over 30 miles away because of the wind currents and
>>>>>> inability
>>>>>> to steer.  The jump instructor made sure every one had enough change
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the pay phone before they jumped for this very reason.  I think they
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> had reserves though back then.  Even today you have a device that’s
>>>>>> set
>>>>>> with barometric pressure that will deploy your chute if you black out
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> don’t pull automatically.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As in all things though, there is risk.  I definitely tend towards
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> risky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2016, at 7:36 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>&g

Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Scott, correct WWII, only one single go, but then again, have you ever
tried ti sit in the cockpit of a Messersmith? they say it is tighter
than, no, wait, nothing , but a labrador can’t make a paw turn, or so
the story goes.
But i have to be honest, i am not going to jump from an airplane, if i
can at all cost avoid it, I’m a chicken like that :(

On 12/25/16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know the older world war II models didn’t but you may be right it may have
> been the 80s.  I didn’t start jumping until 1990 so don’t know to much about
> what it was like before.
>
> Got to have that reserve with you, it’s like fail over for your network but
> um somewhat more critical if in free fall.
>
> That’s one thing that’s nice, we tend to get smarter and safer on the
> technology front as time passes.
>
> And ah smoking, I haven’t had any smoke now for over 4 months.  Tobacco was
> never my thing but other items here and there, even though my state
> legalized it over the election.  I’ve been leaving the life of the straight
> and narrow lately which helps on the old job front.
>
> Might have to end the year with a hand rolled special though.
>
>> On Dec 24, 2016, at 11:41 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think they have had, extra ones since, the 80s. But i can be wrong.
>> I deftly know that one of my ACS in the sim, the Texan only have one
>> shoot, and that is from the 40s, not sure?
>>
>> On 12/24/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> I honestly don't know why he didn't have a reserve. Were those common in
>>> those days? I'm speaking of the days before mandatory seat belts and
>>> airbags, and in the days when smoking on flights was common up and down
>>> the aisle--though this is a good decade after the famous Surgeon
>>> General's report against smoking.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm glad to hear the contingency is now commonly covered. That's a good
>>> thing, much as I hate seat belts! 
>>>
>>>
>>> Janina
>>>
>>> Scott Granados writes:
>>>> Why didn’t he have a reserve?
>>>>
>>>> You have to have a reserve in case that happens.
>>>>
>>>> I know jumping in the 70S and earlier wasn’t as easy as it is now.  The
>>>> chutes were round then and you couldn’t steer them very easily.  I have
>>>> a
>>>> friend who jumped with a round chute up in Massachusetts and ended up
>>>> in
>>>> Connecticut over 30 miles away because of the wind currents and
>>>> inability
>>>> to steer.  The jump instructor made sure every one had enough change
>>>> for
>>>> the pay phone before they jumped for this very reason.  I think they
>>>> still
>>>> had reserves though back then.  Even today you have a device that’s set
>>>> with barometric pressure that will deploy your chute if you black out
>>>> or
>>>> don’t pull automatically.
>>>>
>>>> As in all things though, there is risk.  I definitely tend towards the
>>>> risky.
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 23, 2016, at 7:36 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I know many many have done this successfully. However, I'm always
>>>>> saddened when the topic comes up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Back in the early 1970's I had a friend whose chute didn't open on his
>>>>> very first jump. His girlfriend was on the ground filming. He did his
>>>>> best and managed to end up in a tree, but it wasn't enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Janina
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Granados writes:
>>>>>> Actually, Kawal, you’l get a fair bit of training.  The idea is not
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> go upside down.:).  You’ll sort of roll out of the plain feet first.
>>>>>> YOu’re going to put your feet together and sort of curve them a
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> at the knees so your legs and feet make a slant which is more
>>>>>> aerodynamic.  You’ll then put your hands up with your upper arms out
>>>>>> 90
>>>>>> degrees each like a wing and then you’ll bend at the elbows 90
>>>>>> degrees
>>>>>> again  so your hands are flat and on either side of the top of your
>>>>>> hea

Re: Merry xmas to u all

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Marry xmas to y’all, lets hope the new year gives as much joy and fun
as this one did :)

On 12/24/16, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> Same to you down there Simon, to everyone on list.
> You know something Simon, I have always wondered what the holiday radio
> play list  consists of  in Australia.
> I mean let it snow might not resonate laughs.
> Cheers,
> Kare
>
>
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2016, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhonehi mac visionaries. Merry xmas from the down under. And
>> a great new years also   Halfway through xmas day and alls well so far.
>> Only one quake this morning.
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Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

te doesn't
>> >>> open then I'll be dead as simple as that and the other person with
>> >>> it!
>> >>>> On 22 Dec 2016, at 05:02, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kawal,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've not sky dived myself but I hear it's amazing,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And besides it's pretty safe when you jump from the plane,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> However that sudden stop at the bottom if the shoot doesn't open
>> >>>> might be a heart stopper.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Good luck can't wait to hear how it goes for you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Original Message-
>> >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal
>> >>>> Gucukoglu
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2016 11:56 AM
>> >>>> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Talking about flying, I'm doing a sky dive next year to raise money
>> >>>> for charity.  I am very determined to do it even though I've not been
>> >>>> goods with heights, but this year I went to Iceland to trek and went
>> >>>> up mountains so I'm sure now I will have no problems sky diving.
>> >>>>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 15:27, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>> >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi, Sandi:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Yes, that was me in Copenhagen. That was many years ago, I think
>> >>>>> perhaps
>> >>>>> 2003 or 2004? Your memory is impressive! 
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I was Hans Rasmussen's guest at the Danish Institute. He arranged a
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> session on Linux for interested folks on more than one occasion, as
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>> recall. iI know I was in Copenhagen, staying at the Institute, at
>> >>>>> least
>> >>>>> 3 or 4 times. I guess you were there for one of those sessions?
>> >>>>> Small
>> >>>>> world! 
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You ask what I play. The answer is keyboards these days. My
>> >>>>> training,
>> >>>>> and my college degree, was in music. I trained to be a concert
>> >>>>> pianist--Beethoven, Mozart, and all those guys. Nowadays my music is
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> focussed around being a church musician. I'm Music Director for a
>> >>>>> small church in College Park, Maryland, near where I live.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The time of my turn at the controls of a Cesna must have in in 1969
>> >>>>> or
>> >>>>> 1970. Our Music Department Chairman sat me down and read me a letter
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> from a camps some 200 plus miles away from where we were. They were
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> looking for someone to perform a concert for them. They were only
>> >>>>> paying transportation, and I was trying to figure out how to say
>> >>>>> "No"
>> >>>>> to my department Chairman until he looked up at me and said: "Let's
>> >>>>> fly."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I knew he was a pilot. I immediately said "Yes." I think they were
>> >>>>> surprised by the transportation bill, but they paid it. I still had
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> residual vision in those days, so I was able to monitor the
>> >>>>> instrumentation fairly well. I had a blast. I got a memory I still
>> >>>>> cherish.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> PS: I haven't spoken with Hans in years--since he retired. I should
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> try and contact him and Mitsie to say hi.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Janina
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sandi Jazmin Kruse writes:
>> >

Re: How Apple alienated Mac loyalists

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Well, i don’t know how to put this in a gentle way, but so far my Mac
book, takes my flight sim nicely, no crashing or anything. Everything
is set to, max, okay, so, it does get hot, quite hot, but that is
expected.
I guess i am not really worried, but lets be honest, even if Apple
came out with a new device every year, would we have the money to buy
it?

On 12/24/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Listers,
>
> For anyone that is interested I thought you might like a read.
>
> Personally I fully agree with what the article is saying .
>
> Simon F
>
> PS. Merry xmas to all and have a great new year.
>
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/87802024/how-apple-alienated-mac-loyalists
> How Apple alienated Mac loyalists
>
> Making a laptop stand out is also harder these days. But when Apple has
> tried to leapfrog the competition, it has fallen short.
>
> To die-hard fans, Apple's Macintosh sometimes seems like an afterthought
> these days.
>
> Mac upgrades, once a frequent ritual, are few and far between. The Mac Pro,
> Apple's marquee computer, hasn't been refreshed since 2013.
>
> The affordable and flexible Mac mini was last upgraded in 2014. And when a
> new machine does roll out, the results are sometimes underwhelming, if not
> infuriating, to devotees.
>
> In October, after more than 500 days without an update, Apple unveiled the
> new MacBook Pro, with a slimmer design and louder speakers. The laptop
> garnered mostly favourable reviews from the technology press but grumbles
> from creative types, a key constituency, who said the device under-performed
> rival products.
>
> Interviews with people familiar with Apple's inner workings reveal that the
> Mac is getting far less attention than it once did. They say the Mac team
> has lost clout with the famed industrial design group led by Jony Ive and
> the company's software team.
>
> READ MORE:
> * Review: MacBook
> Pro
> * Has Apple abandoned
> computers?
> * Laptops just got frighteningly
> expensive
>
> They also describe a lack of clear direction from senior management,
> departures of key people working on Mac hardware and technical challenges
> that have delayed the roll-out of new computers.
>
> While the Mac generates about 10 per cent of Apple sales, the company can't
> afford to alienate professional designers and other business customers.
> After all, they helped fuel Apple's revival in the late 1990s.
>
> In a stinging critique, Peter Kirn, founder of a website for music and video
> creators, wrote: "This is a company with no real vision for what its most
> creative users actually do with their most advanced machines."
>
> If more Mac users switch, the Apple ecosystem will become less sticky -
> opening the door to people abandoning higher-value products like the iPhone
> and iPad.
>
> WINDOWS NOW AN OPTION
>
> The Mac Pro, right, Apple's marquee computer, hasn't been refreshed since
> 2013.
>
> People now have more options. Microsoft, once derided by Mac loyalists for
> its clunky, buggy software, offers Windows 10, which provides the tablet
> type functionality Apple pioneered with the iPad.
>
> Microsoft's Surface computers offer Apple-esque quality and a well-reviewed
> creative paint program aimed at the Mac's audience. Sensing an opportunity,
> Microsoft called the MacBook Pro a "disappointment" and said more users than
> ever were switching to its Surface laptops.
>
> An Apple spokesman declined to comment. However, the company has said the
> Macintosh remains one of its most important products and denies it takes a
> back seat to other gadgets.
>
> Four years ago at Apple's annual developer conference, marketing chief Phil
> Schiller pledged to keep the computer front and centre in the company's
> product arsenal. "Nobody turns over their entire line as quickly and
> completely as we do at Apple," Schiller said. "We're really proud of the
> engineering team and the work they do to do this quick so you can get the
> exact product you need."
>
> To be fair, Apple depends on Intel, which still makes key chips for Macs.
> Like the rest of the PC industry, Apple's innovation and product cycles are
> sometimes constrained by when Intel produces new chips - a process that's
> getting more difficult.
>
> Making a laptop stand out is also harder these days. But when Apple has
> tried to leapfrog the competition, it has fallen short.
>
> Take the company's attempt to create a longer-lasting battery for the
> MacBook Pro. Apple engineers wanted to use higher capacity battery packs
> shaped to the insides of the laptop versus the standard square cells found
> in most machines. The design would have boosted battery life.
>
> In the run-up to the MacBook Pro's planned debut this 

Re: Object Recognition in Photos App

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, i tried something funny today, take a picture of our xmas tree, it
works, but now to the next thing, did we not once have a application
that could guide, us in point the cam or some such?
Now if it could say the object before we took the picture, now that
would be cool, i know it can do it with , faces.

On 12/23/16, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> Thank you Sandy and Tim.
> Happy Hilidays!
> Vaughn
>
> On 12/21/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Live photos are only 1 to 2 seconds of video  the sound is there but very
>> quick and in some situaitons very difficult to hear.
>>
>>  Try listening with headphones on and turn the vol up
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
>> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 1:00 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Object Recognition in Photos App
>>
>> Hi. I was told that you get a bit of audio with live photos! I’m not
>> hearing
>> any audio when I open a live photo?
>>> On 21 Dec 2016, at 03:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Sandi mentioned this in another thread that many may not be paying
>>> attention to, so I thought I would bring it up in a new thread as I
>>> believe that this is a cool feature.  In the Photos app in both iOS 10
>>> and
>>> Sierra, over 4000 objects can be recognized.  For example, you could
>>> enter
>>> snow in the search field, and Photos will try to find all the pics in
>>> your
>>> Photos Library with snow in the picture.  You can even use Siri to find
>>> things by asking her things like, "Could you find all my photos with a
>>> dog
>>> in the picture?"  It will then put the results into a collection for you
>>> so you can check them out.  This moves beyond just the people and places
>>> search ability, so is becoming very interesting from a VO user's
>>> prospective.
>>>
>>> I've only played with it a little, and only on my Mac, since my iPhone
>>> is
>>> half-way across the country being repaired.  It found the pictures quite
>>> well, but I couldn't really confirm what was in the actual picture
>>> results
>>> since I couldn't figure out if there was a way to get descriptions and
>>> such.
>>>
>>> Very interesting indeed.  Thanks for bringing this up Sandi.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, guys, im definitely going to join that list, personally i am with
Janina, i dont like many games, okay, i have topspeed somewhere, that
is about it.

Sandi

On 12/22/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Yes, me too! I don't play games with my computers, but this one tempts
> me sorely.
>
> Janina
>
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> Where to get this flight sim for mac?
>> I may not be good at it but would like to try it out.
>> /A
>> > 19 dec. 2016 kl. 20:15 skrev Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>:
>> >
>> > Hi Joshua
>> > I have used flightier on mac , for about 10 year, before i got a job
>> > that required me to change to FSX, i have tried its your plane, it is
>> > fairly cute, if you unlike me , like to sit and talk to your plane, in
>> > my world it have nothing to do with flying, imagine this, you fly in
>> > your j3, you can hear every little beat from the engine. and what is
>> > even better, you control every little thing you have to do , yes it is
>> > hard, but if it was easy, everyone would do it, right?
>> > Janina, damn you, now you have me once again, wanting, needing an
>> > android thing, so i can try it out. Whimper, new mac book pro, new key
>> > tar, new iPad, and now also a new android thing ,  is it really that
>> > amazing that a girl lives in a geek world 24.7?  not if y’all ask me.
>> > Bookshare with Espeak? i dare you reading Calendar girl with that one,
>> > xd  hides in dark long hair.
>> > I only have the danish version, so i can’t do that, at least that, is
>> > going to be my story anyways.
>> > Best Sandi.
>> >
>> > On 12/19/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>> > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> >> Yes, your correction is accepted, Scott. I'm aware of NAT, and in fact
>> >> have unroutable addresses asigned for my Fusion machines which I use
>> >> internally when communicating only on the Airbook itself.
>> >>
>> >> However, I particularly dislike NAT, and don't care to go back into
>> >> it.
>> >> Locally, I'm now fully IPv6, and plan to keep it that way. And, yes, I
>> >> do need my Fusion vm routable from the outside frequently enough.
>> >>
>> >> Setting up NAT just to avoid the extra address is, admittedly, a way
>> >> around my predicament. But, I'd frankly rather not. The truth is that
>> >> there are wifi interruptions enough, where communication hangs. To add
>> >> yet another layer to that isn't anything I want to fuss with.
>> >>
>> >> On my Lisbon trip I stayed with tethering via my T-Mobile phone for
>> >> just
>> >> that reason. And, indeed, there were wifi outages during the day that
>> >> others were frustrated by. I just smiled and kept going.
>> >>
>> >> What I saw in Sapporo in 2015, where NTT set a mesh with a WAP about
>> >> every 30-40 feet or so, with native IPv6 was another matter. There was
>> >> a
>> >> deployment I used all week without issues--but that's the exception in
>> >> my experience.
>> >>
>> >> Janina
>> >>
>> >> Scott Granados writes:
>> >>> Hi Janina, not arguing your points at all but I wanted to make one
>> >>> correction.  You most certainly can consolidate your IP usage.  If
>> >>> you
>> >>> spin up a VM and change the network adapter from bridged to NAT you
>> >>> can
>> >>> have the Mac receive one IP only and then have it provide an internal
>> >>> network for your other virtual machines thus removing the need for
>> >>> several
>> >>> IP addresses.  I’m aware of the problems with NAT, as I’m sure you are
>> >>> in
>> >>> great detail as well but I have found this to be a viable solution
>> >>> especially when on WiFi networks that require advanced authentication
>> >>> or
>> >>> wired networks with 802.1x enabled.  Another advantage is if you have
>> >>> a
>> >>> VPN running on the Mac side you can have access to all the various
>> >>> connected resources on the virtual network with out having to
>> >>> establish an
>> >>> independent VPN session per VM thus removing the limitations of VPN
>> >>> environments with login limits and other network access control
>> >>&

Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

I not been jumping like the rest of y’all have, okay i have but then,
some bodily features starts to jump too, and it hurts, or at least
that is going to be my story, kinda, of topic, am i the only one who
knows that apple can now “read “ pictures, like if you take a picture
of your sofa, it will say chair, or some such?
Anders, www.flightgear.org
But you need my manual before it will work, but i am sick as a dog,
there is hope however, if you open your mail server, and search for
the name , FlightGear. something might come up, we have talked about
it from time to time.
 The guys here want me to go up in a Glider, no way am i goining to go
up in something with out a engine.

On 12/20/16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I’ve done a few jumps, it’s quite an experience.  I jumped from 15,000 feet
> and it was an intense experience.  I have it stored on old VHS tape, I
> should digitize that as you can hear the wind and for the sited folks see
> the jump and the surroundings.
>
> I also bungee jumped off a cable care in the Swiss Alps and off a Crane in
> New York.  Fun but more jarring and stressful than skydiving. You should
> definitely do it.
>
>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> Talking about flying, I'm doing a sky dive next year to raise money for
>> charity.  I am very determined to do it even though I've not been goods
>> with heights, but this year I went to Iceland to trek and went up
>> mountains so I'm sure now I will have no problems sky diving.
>>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 15:27, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Sandi:
>>>
>>> Yes, that was me in Copenhagen. That was many years ago, I think perhaps
>>> 2003 or 2004? Your memory is impressive! 
>>>
>>> I was Hans Rasmussen's guest at the Danish Institute. He arranged a
>>> session on Linux for interested folks on more than one occasion, as I
>>> recall. iI know I was in Copenhagen, staying at the Institute, at least
>>> 3 or 4 times. I guess you were there for one of those sessions? Small
>>> world! 
>>>
>>> You ask what I play. The answer is keyboards these days. My training,
>>> and my college degree, was in music. I trained to be a concert
>>> pianist--Beethoven, Mozart, and all those guys. Nowadays my music is
>>> focussed around being a church musician. I'm Music Director for a small
>>> church in College Park, Maryland, near where I live.
>>>
>>> The time of my turn at the controls of a Cesna must have in in 1969 or
>>> 1970. Our Music Department Chairman sat me down and read me a letter
>>> from a camps some 200 plus miles away from where we were. They were
>>> looking for someone to perform a concert for them. They were only paying
>>> transportation, and I was trying to figure out how to say "No" to my
>>> department Chairman until he looked up at me and said: "Let's fly."
>>>
>>> I knew he was a pilot. I immediately said "Yes." I think they were
>>> surprised by the transportation bill, but they paid it. I still had
>>> residual vision in those days, so I was able to monitor the
>>> instrumentation fairly well. I had a blast. I got a memory I still
>>> cherish.
>>>
>>> PS: I haven't spoken with Hans in years--since he retired. I should try
>>> and contact him and Mitsie to say hi.
>>>
>>> Janina
>>>
>>> Sandi Jazmin Kruse writes:
>>>> Janina, If i am not mistaken, and i could be, a girl with the same
>>>> name as you was in denmark. some years back, talking and demonstrating
>>>> linux.
>>>> So, well, when i came home i was like, , “ i gotta be her” having
>>>> dreams is perfectly okay, but why do we have to stop after the dreams
>>>> over, that is when you realize what can be worked out into Rl, and
>>>> what  can’t.
>>>> my Sister just corrected me , family Cessna is a 182-t. We have a
>>>> flying club a couple miles away from where i live, so now the guys are
>>>> wild up for recking a computer up to the MFDS. I will of course still
>>>> need a sighted pilot, but i promise y’all this, that will be the
>>>> smallest of my problems.
>>>> Janina, you talking about playing, since we already sidetracking, er i
>>>> meant , sideslipping, what do you play? got a couple of different
>>>> Keytars here , the Vortex, the Linstrument, and a Seaboard.
>>>> I knew hitting the local appl

Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Scott, you, are very lucky i am not your daughter, i will absolutely
assure you that if you have had those cars i would have been crying,
whimpering, and, whining in very feminine ways the day you had sold
them. Now it could be said i do before mentioned things fairly easy,
have made whining art, if you ask mu male friends, they are not
complaining, but yay.
I am going to buy the android thing , i wanna see what we can do when
we open the hood, so will definitely be following your observations. I
finally got the iPad working, what a mess :)


On 12/20/16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know all about British cars. I owned a Rolls Royce Phantom for 3
> months.:). I bought it used at a deep deep discount and sold it when I got a
> 56,000 dollar bill for breaks.  That’s just not justifiable.  Same thing
> happened to me when I tried to buy a Ferrari and got a $60K bill for an oil
> change and tune up.  Out it went.  Luckily I did not pay anywhere near
> retail.  Probably why I got them so cheap.
>
> So back to the topic at hand.
>
> If you want to try android I would suggest to you the eyes-free list which
> is eyes-free+subscr...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:eyes-free+subscr...@googlegroups.com>
>
> The Pixel or Pixel XL can be bought from the google store.  A screen reader
> is included and it is entirely possible for a blind user to self activate
> just like an Apple although it is very different.  There are many helpful
> folks on the eyes-free list and the subject is totally on topic there.  I’ll
> be going through activation and learning myself over the next week or so
> which means yes, I should be able to help.
>   You may also want to go the book route.  Ana Garcia published a book on
> beginning Android.  She’s a participant on the eyes-free list and may be
> able to provide pointers among others.  You can google Ana Garcia and
> Android beginners book to find the exact title and sales point.
>   Janina from this list is also an active member on the Android side.
>   There is a tool to migrate from Apple to Google if you wish that 
> simplifies
> the process.  I’ll be posting comparisons and my experiences over the next
> short term as well if that is something you wish to follow before spending
> the money.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
>
>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Scott, that kind of jets, is like some british sports cars, or the
>> american harley, need constant baby sitting. :)
>> That is , what makes them so, absolutely adorable ! :) if you like
>> that kind of mechanics, of course that is. I will try the google
>> android thing out, does anyone know how to set it up once i bought it
>> blush, i know absolutely nothing , about them.
>> Josh, between me and you, FG, is messy, and well. i made a manual in
>> how to set it up if you are blind, i will see if i can find it later
>> tonight and send it to you, if you are really serious, but i think,
>> and remember that is my view, that you will come longer with FSx.  But
>> if you insist, ill be happy to help you out of course. :)
>> Regards Sandi who is once again, swearing over her iPad xd
>>
>> On 12/20/16, Joshua Tubbs <ori...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> I don’t think it does. There are addons that work like MultiCrew
>>> Experience
>>> with it. I’d personally like to know how Sandy used FlightGear, though..
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 2:09 PM, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can I interject a question here abou x-plane on the mac here. Does it
>>>> offer anything for VO?  Never tried it, as I myself just use zoom. On
>>>> iOS.
>>>> I still run an old version of x-plane.
>>>>
>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Scott, family have a Skylane, and a 172, and presently in the
>>>>> market for a j3, if we can find it, yes, Sims are indeed accessible,
>>>>> FlightGear is fun, but, the windows version is better, I don’t hope
>>>>> that Joss, starts out with the planes from A2A, though. They are as
>>>>> real as it get, even Nasa uses them for testing out new stuff. At
>>>>> least if we talk GA.
>>>>> Y’all,

Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Scott, that kind of jets, is like some british sports cars, or the
american harley, need constant baby sitting. :)
That is , what makes them so, absolutely adorable ! :) if you like
that kind of mechanics, of course that is. I will try the google
android thing out, does anyone know how to set it up once i bought it
blush, i know absolutely nothing , about them.
Josh, between me and you, FG, is messy, and well. i made a manual in
how to set it up if you are blind, i will see if i can find it later
tonight and send it to you, if you are really serious, but i think,
and remember that is my view, that you will come longer with FSx.  But
if you insist, ill be happy to help you out of course. :)
Regards Sandi who is once again, swearing over her iPad xd

On 12/20/16, Joshua Tubbs <ori...@icloud.com> wrote:
> I don’t think it does. There are addons that work like MultiCrew Experience
> with it. I’d personally like to know how Sandy used FlightGear, though..
>
>
>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 2:09 PM, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Can I interject a question here abou x-plane on the mac here. Does it
>> offer anything for VO?  Never tried it, as I myself just use zoom. On iOS.
>> I still run an old version of x-plane.
>>
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>
>>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Scott, family have a Skylane, and a 172, and presently in the
>>> market for a j3, if we can find it, yes, Sims are indeed accessible,
>>> FlightGear is fun, but, the windows version is better, I don’t hope
>>> that Joss, starts out with the planes from A2A, though. They are as
>>> real as it get, even Nasa uses them for testing out new stuff. At
>>> least if we talk GA.
>>> Y’all, have fun, am on my way to spend over $1500 on key tar, mixers and
>>> shit.
>>> Janina, you said you use android, i am curious, what works in that
>>> world if you are blind? if you are scared spamming the list with it ,
>>> please write me off list.
>>>
>>> /Sandi
>>>
>>>> On 12/19/16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> And here I used real aircraft instead of simulators.  I had no idea
>>>> there
>>>> were accessible simulators other than the full sized 747 simulator I
>>>> spent
>>>> some time in in the Boston area.
>>>>
>>>> I have flown (with a sited pilot of course) a Citation X, and older
>>>> Gulf-stream and a bunch of small Cessna planes like the 172.  And here
>>>> I
>>>> could have saved $3000 per hour in fuel not to mention the 6 figures for
>>>> the
>>>> flight sharing plan with a simulator.:)
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 19, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Joshua
>>>>> I have used flightier on mac , for about 10 year, before i got a job
>>>>> that required me to change to FSX, i have tried its your plane, it is
>>>>> fairly cute, if you unlike me , like to sit and talk to your plane, in
>>>>> my world it have nothing to do with flying, imagine this, you fly in
>>>>> your j3, you can hear every little beat from the engine. and what is
>>>>> even better, you control every little thing you have to do , yes it is
>>>>> hard, but if it was easy, everyone would do it, right?
>>>>> Janina, damn you, now you have me once again, wanting, needing an
>>>>> android thing, so i can try it out. Whimper, new mac book pro, new key
>>>>> tar, new iPad, and now also a new android thing ,  is it really that
>>>>> amazing that a girl lives in a geek world 24.7?  not if y’all ask me.
>>>>> Bookshare with Espeak? i dare you reading Calendar girl with that one,
>>>>> xd  hides in dark long hair.
>>>>> I only have the danish version, so i can’t do that, at least that, is
>>>>> going to be my story anyways.
>>>>> Best Sandi.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/19/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, your correction is accepted, Scott. I'm aware of NAT, and in
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>> have unroutable addresses asigned for my F

Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, the higher altitude, the less fuel is burned, cause of  lag of
oxygen. It is as a matter of fact why you have mixture control on the
most piston ACS. Forget to set it , see what happens :) dirty spark
plugs, might be “interesting in a skylane with 12 plugs, not so fun in
a Prat and whitney with 48 :)
Scot, if i am not mistaken, the TTS package the Citation has is not
tts as such, but prerecorded wav files, that is being played, if
certain variables is set right, terrain warnings, and such. In our
182t today we set  the gps, more or less and that is that.


On 12/20/16, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Janina, yes, my pretty lil head is amazing, in a lot of ways. :)
> I were there, if mind serves correctly, i used knoppix at that time ,
> i might have had, cause my GF. rm-med my whole book collection.
> Im usually a softly spoken gal, but i do remember that incident had me
> telling her short words, not even the navy sailors use all that often.
> Hans had  the right idea, ever one into linux have always known that ,
> problem was at that time, the lack of documentation, and willingness
> to try something new from the danish institute. I Demonstrated a mac
> for them a few years later with leopard, and. Well today, they use it
> as much as windows, should they have sticked to linux? If you ask me
> yes, especially if you say that you can get eloquence up and run on
> it. I will definitely look into this later on, a victor stream reader
> , or something Android running that TTS. now that would be  beyond
> amazin’.
> Now you ask why, perhaps, Linux is free, and with 3th world countrys
> with blind people, i am sure you have given this more thought than i
> have.
> Keyboard, is what led me to key tars, they are amazing in them selves,
> I am more a country girl, so yay. different strokes for different
> folks :) I am totally crazy for the Sound of a  drednaut, and will
> admit that everyday.
> I love flying our Skylane with my sister, she does, not however love
> it as much as me, it has to do with, creation of involuntarily bodily
> fluids.
> I always tell her to be a big girl and suck it up, not literally, she
> take great revenge comes time for injections.
> I have to be honest i have no idea what Hans does these days. that man
> could do things with a UniX machine that would leave me Gasping for,
> breath.
> And, it is hard to impress me.
> Back to flying, I am trying to land a job where they use Flight sims ,
> it is fun, and it even pays my food, and other toys.
> Which  admittedly  are many, and expensive.
> Suddenly, i am wondering, doesn’t the victor reader run some sort of
> android? food for thought.
>
>
> On 12/20/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> Hi, Sandi:
>>
>> Yes, that was me in Copenhagen. That was many years ago, I think perhaps
>> 2003 or 2004? Your memory is impressive! 
>>
>> I was Hans Rasmussen's guest at the Danish Institute. He arranged a
>> session on Linux for interested folks on more than one occasion, as I
>> recall. iI know I was in Copenhagen, staying at the Institute, at least
>> 3 or 4 times. I guess you were there for one of those sessions? Small
>> world! 
>>
>> You ask what I play. The answer is keyboards these days. My training,
>> and my college degree, was in music. I trained to be a concert
>> pianist--Beethoven, Mozart, and all those guys. Nowadays my music is
>> focussed around being a church musician. I'm Music Director for a small
>> church in College Park, Maryland, near where I live.
>>
>> The time of my turn at the controls of a Cesna must have in in 1969 or
>> 1970. Our Music Department Chairman sat me down and read me a letter
>> from a camps some 200 plus miles away from where we were. They were
>> looking for someone to perform a concert for them. They were only paying
>> transportation, and I was trying to figure out how to say "No" to my
>> department Chairman until he looked up at me and said: "Let's fly."
>>
>> I knew he was a pilot. I immediately said "Yes." I think they were
>> surprised by the transportation bill, but they paid it. I still had
>> residual vision in those days, so I was able to monitor the
>> instrumentation fairly well. I had a blast. I got a memory I still
>> cherish.
>>
>> PS: I haven't spoken with Hans in years--since he retired. I should try
>> and contact him and Mitsie to say hi.
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> Sandi Jazmin Kruse writes:
>>> Janina, If i am not mistaken, and i could be, a girl with the same
>>> name as you was in denmark. some years back, talking and demo

Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi Janina, yes, my pretty lil head is amazing, in a lot of ways. :)
I were there, if mind serves correctly, i used knoppix at that time ,
i might have had, cause my GF. rm-med my whole book collection.
Im usually a softly spoken gal, but i do remember that incident had me
telling her short words, not even the navy sailors use all that often.
Hans had  the right idea, ever one into linux have always known that ,
problem was at that time, the lack of documentation, and willingness
to try something new from the danish institute. I Demonstrated a mac
for them a few years later with leopard, and. Well today, they use it
as much as windows, should they have sticked to linux? If you ask me
yes, especially if you say that you can get eloquence up and run on
it. I will definitely look into this later on, a victor stream reader
, or something Android running that TTS. now that would be  beyond
amazin’.
Now you ask why, perhaps, Linux is free, and with 3th world countrys
with blind people, i am sure you have given this more thought than i
have.
Keyboard, is what led me to key tars, they are amazing in them selves,
I am more a country girl, so yay. different strokes for different
folks :) I am totally crazy for the Sound of a  drednaut, and will
admit that everyday.
I love flying our Skylane with my sister, she does, not however love
it as much as me, it has to do with, creation of involuntarily bodily
fluids.
I always tell her to be a big girl and suck it up, not literally, she
take great revenge comes time for injections.
I have to be honest i have no idea what Hans does these days. that man
could do things with a UniX machine that would leave me Gasping for,
breath.
And, it is hard to impress me.
Back to flying, I am trying to land a job where they use Flight sims ,
it is fun, and it even pays my food, and other toys.
Which  admittedly  are many, and expensive.
Suddenly, i am wondering, doesn’t the victor reader run some sort of
android? food for thought.


On 12/20/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Hi, Sandi:
>
> Yes, that was me in Copenhagen. That was many years ago, I think perhaps
> 2003 or 2004? Your memory is impressive! 
>
> I was Hans Rasmussen's guest at the Danish Institute. He arranged a
> session on Linux for interested folks on more than one occasion, as I
> recall. iI know I was in Copenhagen, staying at the Institute, at least
> 3 or 4 times. I guess you were there for one of those sessions? Small
> world! 
>
> You ask what I play. The answer is keyboards these days. My training,
> and my college degree, was in music. I trained to be a concert
> pianist--Beethoven, Mozart, and all those guys. Nowadays my music is
> focussed around being a church musician. I'm Music Director for a small
> church in College Park, Maryland, near where I live.
>
> The time of my turn at the controls of a Cesna must have in in 1969 or
> 1970. Our Music Department Chairman sat me down and read me a letter
> from a camps some 200 plus miles away from where we were. They were
> looking for someone to perform a concert for them. They were only paying
> transportation, and I was trying to figure out how to say "No" to my
> department Chairman until he looked up at me and said: "Let's fly."
>
> I knew he was a pilot. I immediately said "Yes." I think they were
> surprised by the transportation bill, but they paid it. I still had
> residual vision in those days, so I was able to monitor the
> instrumentation fairly well. I had a blast. I got a memory I still
> cherish.
>
> PS: I haven't spoken with Hans in years--since he retired. I should try
> and contact him and Mitsie to say hi.
>
> Janina
>
> Sandi Jazmin Kruse writes:
>> Janina, If i am not mistaken, and i could be, a girl with the same
>> name as you was in denmark. some years back, talking and demonstrating
>> linux.
>> So, well, when i came home i was like, , “ i gotta be her” having
>> dreams is perfectly okay, but why do we have to stop after the dreams
>> over, that is when you realize what can be worked out into Rl, and
>> what  can’t.
>> my Sister just corrected me , family Cessna is a 182-t. We have a
>> flying club a couple miles away from where i live, so now the guys are
>> wild up for recking a computer up to the MFDS. I will of course still
>> need a sighted pilot, but i promise y’all this, that will be the
>> smallest of my problems.
>> Janina, you talking about playing, since we already sidetracking, er i
>> meant , sideslipping, what do you play? got a couple of different
>> Keytars here , the Vortex, the Linstrument, and a Seaboard.
>>  I knew hitting the local apple store was a bad idea, iPad and a
>> keyboard,
>>
>>
>> On 12/20/16, 'Janina

Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Janina, If i am not mistaken, and i could be, a girl with the same
name as you was in denmark. some years back, talking and demonstrating
linux.
So, well, when i came home i was like, , “ i gotta be her” having
dreams is perfectly okay, but why do we have to stop after the dreams
over, that is when you realize what can be worked out into Rl, and
what  can’t.
my Sister just corrected me , family Cessna is a 182-t. We have a
flying club a couple miles away from where i live, so now the guys are
wild up for recking a computer up to the MFDS. I will of course still
need a sighted pilot, but i promise y’all this, that will be the
smallest of my problems.
Janina, you talking about playing, since we already sidetracking, er i
meant , sideslipping, what do you play? got a couple of different
Keytars here , the Vortex, the Linstrument, and a Seaboard.
 I knew hitting the local apple store was a bad idea, iPad and a keyboard,


On 12/20/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> You've got me jealous again, Scott!  I never got beyond the
> controls of a Cesna 180. Though I suppose I can take some solace that it
> cost me only a couple hours work playing a concert in a small Minnesota
> town.
>
> This was years ago when I was still in college.
>
> I'm going to have to try and follow in Sandi's footsteps, I think.
> Fantasy is important, after all!
>
> Janina
>
> Scott Granados writes:
>> And here I used real aircraft instead of simulators.  I had no idea there
>> were accessible simulators other than the full sized 747 simulator I spent
>> some time in in the Boston area.
>>
>> I have flown (with a sited pilot of course) a Citation X, and older
>> Gulf-stream and a bunch of small Cessna planes like the 172.  And here I
>> could have saved $3000 per hour in fuel not to mention the 6 figures for
>> the flight sharing plan with a simulator.:)
>>
>> > On Dec 19, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Joshua
>> > I have used flightier on mac , for about 10 year, before i got a job
>> > that required me to change to FSX, i have tried its your plane, it is
>> > fairly cute, if you unlike me , like to sit and talk to your plane, in
>> > my world it have nothing to do with flying, imagine this, you fly in
>> > your j3, you can hear every little beat from the engine. and what is
>> > even better, you control every little thing you have to do , yes it is
>> > hard, but if it was easy, everyone would do it, right?
>> > Janina, damn you, now you have me once again, wanting, needing an
>> > android thing, so i can try it out. Whimper, new mac book pro, new key
>> > tar, new iPad, and now also a new android thing ,  is it really that
>> > amazing that a girl lives in a geek world 24.7?  not if y’all ask me.
>> > Bookshare with Espeak? i dare you reading Calendar girl with that one,
>> > xd  hides in dark long hair.
>> > I only have the danish version, so i can’t do that, at least that, is
>> > going to be my story anyways.
>> > Best Sandi.
>> >
>> > On 12/19/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>> > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> >> Yes, your correction is accepted, Scott. I'm aware of NAT, and in fact
>> >> have unroutable addresses asigned for my Fusion machines which I use
>> >> internally when communicating only on the Airbook itself.
>> >>
>> >> However, I particularly dislike NAT, and don't care to go back into
>> >> it.
>> >> Locally, I'm now fully IPv6, and plan to keep it that way. And, yes, I
>> >> do need my Fusion vm routable from the outside frequently enough.
>> >>
>> >> Setting up NAT just to avoid the extra address is, admittedly, a way
>> >> around my predicament. But, I'd frankly rather not. The truth is that
>> >> there are wifi interruptions enough, where communication hangs. To add
>> >> yet another layer to that isn't anything I want to fuss with.
>> >>
>> >> On my Lisbon trip I stayed with tethering via my T-Mobile phone for
>> >> just
>> >> that reason. And, indeed, there were wifi outages during the day that
>> >> others were frustrated by. I just smiled and kept going.
>> >>
>> >> What I saw in Sapporo in 2015, where NTT set a mesh with a WAP about
>> >> every 30-40 feet or so, with native IPv6 was another matter. There was
>> >> a
>> >> deployment I used all week without issues--but that's the exception in
>> >> 

Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi Scott, family have a Skylane, and a 172, and presently in the
market for a j3, if we can find it, yes, Sims are indeed accessible,
FlightGear is fun, but, the windows version is better, I don’t hope
that Joss, starts out with the planes from A2A, though. They are as
real as it get, even Nasa uses them for testing out new stuff. At
least if we talk GA.
Y’all, have fun, am on my way to spend over $1500 on key tar, mixers and shit.
Janina, you said you use android, i am curious, what works in that
world if you are blind? if you are scared spamming the list with it ,
please write me off list.

/Sandi

On 12/19/16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And here I used real aircraft instead of simulators.  I had no idea there
> were accessible simulators other than the full sized 747 simulator I spent
> some time in in the Boston area.
>
> I have flown (with a sited pilot of course) a Citation X, and older
> Gulf-stream and a bunch of small Cessna planes like the 172.  And here I
> could have saved $3000 per hour in fuel not to mention the 6 figures for the
> flight sharing plan with a simulator.:)
>
>> On Dec 19, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Joshua
>> I have used flightier on mac , for about 10 year, before i got a job
>> that required me to change to FSX, i have tried its your plane, it is
>> fairly cute, if you unlike me , like to sit and talk to your plane, in
>> my world it have nothing to do with flying, imagine this, you fly in
>> your j3, you can hear every little beat from the engine. and what is
>> even better, you control every little thing you have to do , yes it is
>> hard, but if it was easy, everyone would do it, right?
>> Janina, damn you, now you have me once again, wanting, needing an
>> android thing, so i can try it out. Whimper, new mac book pro, new key
>> tar, new iPad, and now also a new android thing ,  is it really that
>> amazing that a girl lives in a geek world 24.7?  not if y’all ask me.
>> Bookshare with Espeak? i dare you reading Calendar girl with that one,
>> xd  hides in dark long hair.
>> I only have the danish version, so i can’t do that, at least that, is
>> going to be my story anyways.
>> Best Sandi.
>>
>> On 12/19/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, your correction is accepted, Scott. I'm aware of NAT, and in fact
>>> have unroutable addresses asigned for my Fusion machines which I use
>>> internally when communicating only on the Airbook itself.
>>>
>>> However, I particularly dislike NAT, and don't care to go back into it.
>>> Locally, I'm now fully IPv6, and plan to keep it that way. And, yes, I
>>> do need my Fusion vm routable from the outside frequently enough.
>>>
>>> Setting up NAT just to avoid the extra address is, admittedly, a way
>>> around my predicament. But, I'd frankly rather not. The truth is that
>>> there are wifi interruptions enough, where communication hangs. To add
>>> yet another layer to that isn't anything I want to fuss with.
>>>
>>> On my Lisbon trip I stayed with tethering via my T-Mobile phone for just
>>> that reason. And, indeed, there were wifi outages during the day that
>>> others were frustrated by. I just smiled and kept going.
>>>
>>> What I saw in Sapporo in 2015, where NTT set a mesh with a WAP about
>>> every 30-40 feet or so, with native IPv6 was another matter. There was a
>>> deployment I used all week without issues--but that's the exception in
>>> my experience.
>>>
>>> Janina
>>>
>>> Scott Granados writes:
>>>> Hi Janina, not arguing your points at all but I wanted to make one
>>>> correction.  You most certainly can consolidate your IP usage.  If you
>>>> spin up a VM and change the network adapter from bridged to NAT you can
>>>> have the Mac receive one IP only and then have it provide an internal
>>>> network for your other virtual machines thus removing the need for
>>>> several
>>>> IP addresses.  I’m aware of the problems with NAT, as I’m sure you are
>>>> in
>>>> great detail as well but I have found this to be a viable solution
>>>> especially when on WiFi networks that require advanced authentication
>>>> or
>>>> wired networks with 802.1x enabled.  Another advantage is if you have a
>>>> VPN running on the Mac side you can have access to all the various
>>>> connected resources on the virtual network with out having 

Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi Joshua
I have used flightier on mac , for about 10 year, before i got a job
that required me to change to FSX, i have tried its your plane, it is
fairly cute, if you unlike me , like to sit and talk to your plane, in
my world it have nothing to do with flying, imagine this, you fly in
your j3, you can hear every little beat from the engine. and what is
even better, you control every little thing you have to do , yes it is
hard, but if it was easy, everyone would do it, right?
Janina, damn you, now you have me once again, wanting, needing an
android thing, so i can try it out. Whimper, new mac book pro, new key
tar, new iPad, and now also a new android thing ,  is it really that
amazing that a girl lives in a geek world 24.7?  not if y’all ask me.
Bookshare with Espeak? i dare you reading Calendar girl with that one,
xd  hides in dark long hair.
I only have the danish version, so i can’t do that, at least that, is
going to be my story anyways.
Best Sandi.

On 12/19/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Yes, your correction is accepted, Scott. I'm aware of NAT, and in fact
> have unroutable addresses asigned for my Fusion machines which I use
> internally when communicating only on the Airbook itself.
>
> However, I particularly dislike NAT, and don't care to go back into it.
> Locally, I'm now fully IPv6, and plan to keep it that way. And, yes, I
> do need my Fusion vm routable from the outside frequently enough.
>
> Setting up NAT just to avoid the extra address is, admittedly, a way
> around my predicament. But, I'd frankly rather not. The truth is that
> there are wifi interruptions enough, where communication hangs. To add
> yet another layer to that isn't anything I want to fuss with.
>
> On my Lisbon trip I stayed with tethering via my T-Mobile phone for just
> that reason. And, indeed, there were wifi outages during the day that
> others were frustrated by. I just smiled and kept going.
>
> What I saw in Sapporo in 2015, where NTT set a mesh with a WAP about
> every 30-40 feet or so, with native IPv6 was another matter. There was a
> deployment I used all week without issues--but that's the exception in
> my experience.
>
> Janina
>
> Scott Granados writes:
>> Hi Janina, not arguing your points at all but I wanted to make one
>> correction.  You most certainly can consolidate your IP usage.  If you
>> spin up a VM and change the network adapter from bridged to NAT you can
>> have the Mac receive one IP only and then have it provide an internal
>> network for your other virtual machines thus removing the need for several
>> IP addresses.  I’m aware of the problems with NAT, as I’m sure you are in
>> great detail as well but I have found this to be a viable solution
>> especially when on WiFi networks that require advanced authentication or
>> wired networks with 802.1x enabled.  Another advantage is if you have a
>> VPN running on the Mac side you can have access to all the various
>> connected resources on the virtual network with out having to establish an
>> independent VPN session per VM thus removing the limitations of VPN
>> environments with login limits and other network access control
>> limitations.  As a mother related note, you can also create internal
>> networks with no access at all.  These are good for building virtual
>> network topologies.  I have 12 different virtual routers that I spin up
>> that each simulate a Juniper MX router.  I bind these with shared networks
>> between their adapters which then represent them selves as point to point
>> ethernet links with in the routers themselves.  So, for example, I can
>> bind ge-0/0/0 on router 1 to ge-0/0/0 on router 2 using a shared /31
>> address just like you would with real cables and routers.  I can then
>> enable my protocols, set up my peering, enable MPLS, build VRFs and all
>> the associated things you would in real hardware but with out the expense
>> of building a home lab and buying all the real gear.  Also, this allows me
>> to easily carry from place to place simulated networks to demonstrate
>> features to customers or team members.  It’s also a great place to test
>> configuration changes.
>>
>> John mentioned that the disk layout is quite good and consistent on the
>> Mac and also the startup disk location can be set before reboot so that
>> would ease the concerns I raised.  I guess I’m just a VM man because I
>> like the access to everything at once and don’t mind working with in a
>> hypervisor.  Different work flows for different folks, that’s how the song
>> goes right? :). You make very good points.  I would think what you want to
>> do could be easily done and you could just select the disk you want before
>> you shut down or on the way up using a pre memorized set of keys.
>>
>> > On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:19 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi, Scott:
>> >
>> > I always appreciate your viewpoint, so am 

Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi janina, i have to be honest, the only thing i use Espeak for is,
flight simulation, which i do a fair bit at. I never knew that i could
get eloquence for linux, i just dare you to read a , Storry with
Espeak, personally cant  bare to do it , but that could be just me :)
I think it is google time, not that i think i will ever go back to
linux for real, unless of course if i found one of these little cutesy
eee machines on Amazon, now that would be quite cutely with Linux, and
eloquence, and a good text reader :) I have to admit the only thing i
really use Eloquence for now a days is , medical books:)

On 12/19/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> Eloquence is available on the Linux side?  Do tell more.
>
> Off to google I go I didn’t know this was possible.  I didn’t like the TTS
> either, Eloquence being available would change that.
>
>> On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:23 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Sandi. I do appreciate that we all salt and pepper our food to
>> taste, and that my taste ain't exactly anyone else's! 
>>
>> For the record there are primarily two choices for TTS on Linux today,
>> espeak and Eloquence, known on Linux today as Oralux. I'm personally
>> happy with espeak, but I certainly understand many people aren't
>> satisfied with it at all.
>>
>> Thanks for the assist with my conundrum.
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> Sandi Jazmin Kruse writes:
>>> Hi Janina, i don’t agree with you, but that is just me , if i need
>>> bash i fire up terminal, and that is that, strip, touch, I’m sure you
>>> know the rest :d .
>>> Ive just asked the guys on free node, if they have an solution to your
>>> problem, give it a few hours and they might have something.
>>> I used to use Knoppix for my everyday system, on a cpu that was below
>>> 400 mhZ, girl was that days.
>>> Ill check in later and tell you what the guys say. The main reason i
>>> left Linux was their TTS. i couldn’t stand it :)
>>>
>>> On 12/18/16, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Scott,
>>>> I wouldn't be too worried about the this since I believe the order of
>>>> booting is always the same. Also, in the disc area you can specify a
>>>> partition to boot from the next time you reboot.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi there, personally I would advise against this and I’m most willing
>>>>> to
>>>>> hear opposing viewpoints on this but here’s my take.  Using vision you
>>>>> have a totally accessible path to each OS.  Using bootcamp the
>>>>> selection
>>>>> of the OS you wish to boot is not accessible to my understanding of
>>>>> things.  If you’re in a hurry this could be an issue.  I’m sure like
>>>>> anything it’s just a matter of memorizing key presses but for me
>>>>> fusion
>>>>> does so well I wouldn’t bother with the potential headaches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my $.02 realize that doesn’t answer your larger question of how
>>>>> to.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:27 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, All:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm mulling a rebuild of the various OS on my 2013 vintage Airbook. I
>>>>>> have VMware, and I've used it more or less successfully. But, there
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> times on the road where I don't need to switch among the various
>>>>>> installed OS. These are times were direct access into one OS will be
>>>>>> sufficient.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, it's clear that Bootcamp is there to dual boot OSX and Windows.
>>>>>> But,
>>>>>> what about a third booting option? Say I want a third choice, say
>>>>>> Arch
>>>>>> Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find a howto on the net for setting this up:
>>>>>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, before I dive in to try and get it going, I wanted to ask for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> experience and wis

Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi Janina, i don’t agree with you, but that is just me , if i need
bash i fire up terminal, and that is that, strip, touch, I’m sure you
know the rest :d .
Ive just asked the guys on free node, if they have an solution to your
problem, give it a few hours and they might have something.
I used to use Knoppix for my everyday system, on a cpu that was below
400 mhZ, girl was that days.
Ill check in later and tell you what the guys say. The main reason i
left Linux was their TTS. i couldn’t stand it :)

On 12/18/16, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> Scott,
> I wouldn't be too worried about the this since I believe the order of
> booting is always the same. Also, in the disc area you can specify a
> partition to boot from the next time you reboot.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Scott Granados 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi there, personally I would advise against this and I’m most willing to
>> hear opposing viewpoints on this but here’s my take.  Using vision you
>> have a totally accessible path to each OS.  Using bootcamp the selection
>> of the OS you wish to boot is not accessible to my understanding of
>> things.  If you’re in a hurry this could be an issue.  I’m sure like
>> anything it’s just a matter of memorizing key presses but for me fusion
>> does so well I wouldn’t bother with the potential headaches.
>>
>> Just my $.02 realize that doesn’t answer your larger question of how to.
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:27 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, All:
>>>
>>> I'm mulling a rebuild of the various OS on my 2013 vintage Airbook. I
>>> have VMware, and I've used it more or less successfully. But, there are
>>> times on the road where I don't need to switch among the various
>>> installed OS. These are times were direct access into one OS will be
>>> sufficient.
>>>
>>> So, it's clear that Bootcamp is there to dual boot OSX and Windows. But,
>>> what about a third booting option? Say I want a third choice, say Arch
>>> Linux.
>>>
>>> I find a howto on the net for setting this up:
>>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
>>>
>>> But, before I dive in to try and get it going, I wanted to ask for the
>>> experience and wisdom of any here who may have successfully created a
>>> triple boot configuration.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any guidance.
>>>
>>> Janina
>>>
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Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, i have to admit, i , gave linux up a lng time ago, moved to
mac and have not ever looked back.


On 12/17/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi, All:
>
> I'm mulling a rebuild of the various OS on my 2013 vintage Airbook. I
> have VMware, and I've used it more or less successfully. But, there are
> times on the road where I don't need to switch among the various
> installed OS. These are times were direct access into one OS will be
> sufficient.
>
> So, it's clear that Bootcamp is there to dual boot OSX and Windows. But,
> what about a third booting option? Say I want a third choice, say Arch
> Linux.
>
> I find a howto on the net for setting this up:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
>
> But, before I dive in to try and get it going, I wanted to ask for the
> experience and wisdom of any here who may have successfully created a
> triple boot configuration.
>
> Thanks in advance for any guidance.
>
> Janina
>
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Re: iPhone users of the mail app think twice before upgrading to 10.2 when it comes out

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Okay, is it just me who is like wh? when i see stuff like this, i
mean on the one hand mary tells us that there is a problem, but on the
other hand she don’t?
i will be honest i think it is the most childish mail i have seen for
weeks. If you can’t talk about it , maybe keeping quiet is the better
idea :)

On 12/6/16, John Panarese  wrote:
>OK. Understood. It sounds to me that it’s broken. If they changed it,
> they need to be told it was an undesired change.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>
>
>
>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, the two finger swipe down and the two finger flick up or as you say.
>> But in the email app, the two finger flick up has always just read the
>> message text only. Now, both to finger flick down and two finger flick up
>> read the same thing, because the focus which is where to finger flick down
>> with start from, is at the top where all the address stuff is. So the two
>> jesters do the same thing, giving you a bot bunch of extraneous crap every
>> time you want to read a message, unless you explore and find the exact
>> line where you want to begin a two finger flick down read from. Sorry for
>> the crappy sentence structure. Maybe this is a design change, but it's a
>> bad one.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 2:49 PM, John Panarese > > wrote:
>>
>>>I might be missing something here, but isn’t the two finger swipe down
>>> read from cursor position down and the two finger swipe up reads
>>> everything?
>>>
>>>
>>> Take Care
>>>
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten > wrote:

 Well, since the two finger flick up has been working this way since I
 have been using iOS, or at least as long back as I can remember in iOS,
 I would say it is the expected behavior. And since several people have
 reported it as a bug, it seems rather strange that they would compound
 the problem. And why am God's holy name if you found a way to make it
 possible to just read the message text in this specialized case, would
 you regressed to having a one-size-fits-all, which clearly does not fit
 all. I can't believe it works for most people to have to read the entire
 screen when all you want is the message text, with a nice easy gesture,
 without having to find the exact place on the screen from which you must
 start reading down. It doesn't work for me. And they've been doing it
 just fine for several years now. So, I would say it was expected and now
 it's broken and they need to fix it. I sure hope that any beta testers
 you encounter this will report it as a bug.
 Mary


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 6, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:

> I hardly ever use two finger flick up, because that is the behavior I
> would have expected. Two finger flick up is supposed to read from
> beginning and two finger flick down from the current location.
>
> I can understand that this would be frustrating but do we have evidence
> this is a that the behavior you prefer is the intended behavior?
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:26 PM Mary Otten  > wrote:
> Well I haven't heard John say he's against this kind of post, so I'm
> taking my chances. The problem is with the two finger flick up when you
> have opened a message. It now behaves like the iPad, that is, it reads
> a whole lot of extra stuff that you don't need or want to hear, the to
> field, the from field, but time, the subject, and finally the words
> "message body". It does all that before it reads the text of the
> message you want to hear. iPads have been doing this since the
> inception of iOS 10. But the iPhone has been good until somewhere in
> the 10.2 beta cycle. Now it's not good. If you read as much email as I
> do, this is a righteous pain in the eye won't say where.
> Mary
> PS, I have reported it before for the iPad and now for the phone, and I

Re: an Enhancement request that i have sent to apple,sinking voiceover settings between Devices

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, personally i am against that idea, but if it helps someone , have
at it , but i will put it like this, for me, my voiceover on my iPhone
and computer is usually on 2 different levels. of , fx, speed. this
had to do with the fact that it reads differently.
If i read a text on my mac, it reads with longer pauses between line
breaks, if it is on the iPhone it is shorter.
But what ever floats your boat, as they say.

On 11/30/16, Nicholas Parsons  wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> I like the idea. I emailed Apple Accessibility about it years ago.
>
> Cheers,
> Nic
>
>> On 1 Dec. 2016, at 11:21 am, Michael Marshall 
>> wrote:
>>
>> hey all,
>> I have had this idea floating floating around my head for a couple of
>> weeks and i wanted to share the idea that I have sent to Apple because
>> your thoughts would be very interesting.
>> I don't know how many of you will be enthusiastic about this but I think
>> it warrants serious investigation.
>> Here is the message i sent to Apple accessibility.
>>
>> hello,
>> This is an idea that I have been sitting on for a couple of weeks now and
>> i wanted to put it out there.
>> I would like to see apple give genuine consideration to implementing the
>> ability for users of voiceover to optionally sync settings between Devices
>> using iCloud.
>> This could be incredibly beneficial in terms of things like Dictionary
>> pronunciations which can be given an extra option of making the
>> announcement change local or for all devices.
>> this idea would also be extremely useful because if you sign in using a
>> new device you could have a prompt when voiceover first starts to import
>> your settings from the cloud.
>> I believe this is a very important idea that could smooth the road even
>> further for blind users of multiple devices using voiceover.
>>
>>
>> kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
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Re: Mac Mini as a windows machine?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Simon, how easy was virtual box  and installing windows your self?
have always wanted to try that .

On 11/10/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Late in on this one,
>
>  All my mac computers have windows installed on them.
>
>  My mac book air 2013 has a boot camp install of windows 10 enterprise,
>  My iMac at work is bootcamped with windows 7 pro, and my work mac mini is
> running a virtual box image of windows 10 pro and another of windows 7 pro,
>
>   Either option is working great but I use the MBA more for windows 10
> personal use.
> And tend to have less issues with things than windows computer users ssuch
> as HP & DELL.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 7:18 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini as a windows machine?
>
> I think this is definitely on topic since we’re dealing with using a Mac to
> run windows.
>
> I would whole heartedly support your use of windows on a Mac.  I would
> suggest going with the VM Fusion solution though.  It’s possible for a blind
> person to independently install windows easier under fusion than boot camp.
> I’m sure that some will have a good way to independently install under
> bootcamp but the automatic installation wizard under VM Fusion which now
> works under windows 10 as well is fantastic.  You also have the full
> capabilities of the Mac available while you also enjoy the windows
> environment.  You also have the ability to have smooth access between both
> platforms.
>
> Just my $.02
>
>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 4:05 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, hope this style of thread is okay for a mac list.
>>
>> I have been a Mac user for 5 years now, and I’m way behind in the windows
>> world.  I want to jump back in and freshen up my windows skills.  I’ve
>> always kind of liked the concept of the Mac Mini.  Would it make a good
>> mid priced Windows solution?  It is frustrating shopping for a Windows
>> machine hovering around the $600 range.  They all get such mediocre
>> reviews.  So, I got to thinking…  Maybe a Mac Mini!  Of course, one huge
>> drawback to this is I am not sure how challenging it is to successfully
>> install Windows and keep it up to date.  I’m partial to the bootcamp
>> method of running the two systems.
>>
>> What are your thoughts and guidance.  If this topic goes too far into the
>> Windows world, I welcome off list replies.  :)  I really need some Windows
>> shopping advice but do not belong to a Windows list or general accessible
>> tech list.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

will get one with a touch bar as soon as they come to Denmark and sell
the one i just bought

On 11/3/16, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
> I’d rather have more than I need than less.
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I'm leaning toward 1 TB.  Pretty sure that 2 would be overkill for
>> me.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I’d get a lot of storage!
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

 I'll add my +1 here, too.  I'm hoping to get the 13-inch MBP with touch
 bar.  I agree with David's comments re the importance of blind users
 figuring out how to stay current, and also with his statement about how
 well Apple has demonstrated its commitment to keeping technology
 accessible.  Not saying there won't be some hiccups at the beginning,
 but I'm confident that the blind users won't be left out of touchbar
 access.  And, I also have to say that I'm genuinely intrigued by the
 touch bar concept.  Looking forward to seeing first-hand how it works.

 I currently have a 2013 11-inch MBA. I'll upgrade from 8 to 16GB of ram,
 and get the fastest I7 processor.  (I don't upgrade every year, so want
 my new Mac to stay viable for as long as possible.) Haven't yet decided
 how much storage I want.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
>
> Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.
>
> I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every
> year.  I am considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the
> fastest I7 option.  I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2
> TB is a huge amount.  I have a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere
> near filling it up.  I do wish there was a 32 GB option but we’ve
> covered that, 16 seems to be all the memoryI can get at least for this
> year.  I will also buy the upgraded graphics option for faster graphics
> performance and because I experiment a lot with drones and video feeds
> from different arial platforms.  Also like producing youtube videos.
>
> I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple
> puts a lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.
>
>
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one
>> yet. So, I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not
>> have that yet either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is
>> getting old. It only has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at
>> the time. Likewise, it only has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone
>> 7 (the plus was unavailable) has 256 GB storage.
>>
>> The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to
>> accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal
>> blindness is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to
>> general market tech and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have
>> the numbers to make the market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the
>> latest, not last years tech, whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead
>> / in the curve, as much as possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without
>>> touch bar?
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden
  wrote:

 I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

> On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli
>  wrote:
>
>
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>
> Hi:
> Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version?
> With, or without touchbar?
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Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

I wanna add to this, if you use the Mac book, not the mac book pro,
but the Fanless  design, it may seem small, underrated, but it is so
powerful that  it can semi consistently run latest model of flight
sims in winddows 7, settings are real weather, full realism turned on,
and over 120 FPS. It was not build for this however, but it can do it.


On 10/28/16, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> IF Apple is truly going for consistancy, I have a feeling I know how we will
> turn on Voice Over with the new touch bar.  I don’t know this for sure:
> but, I’d be willing to guess that to turn on Voice Over, you simply touch or
> press the power button three times quickly if Voice Over is off.  OF course,
> you might be able to do it with Siri, or, here’s another guess:  press the
> command key and anywhere on the touch bar.  IF voice Over is off, it will
> know that you are trying to turn on Voice Over.  My best guess, however,
> would be to quickly touch the power button three times.  Makes the most
> sense and keeps things logical and easy.
>
>
>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:01 AM, christopher hallsworth
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-tv-news/what-we-got-apples-october-2016-event#comment-form
>>> 
>>>
>>> What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event
>>> Submitted by mehgcap on 27 October, 2016 - 16:28 and last modified on 27
>>> October, 2016 - 19:18
>>>
>>>  
>>> Hello Again
>>>
>>> Today, Apple held a press event it called "Hello Again". The company
>>> announced a new accessibility website, a new Apple TV feature, and a
>>> long-awaited update to its MacBook computers. It may have missed the
>>> back-to-school shoppers, but today's announcements arrive just in time
>>> for the holiday shopping frenzy. There are some major changes to the
>>> MacBook line-up on the way, and while much of what you're about to read
>>> is awesome, you may not like all of it. But there's a great deal to like
>>> about the latest offerings from Apple, and I yell at articles to quit
>>> rambling in their intros and get on with it just as much as you do, so
>>> let's get on with it!
>>>
>>> Accessibility Kick-Off
>>>
>>> To my surprise, Apple started the presentation with a video highlighting
>>> accessibility features of its products. This led to Tim Cook's announcing
>>> a "whole new website" focused on Apple's accessibility efforts. As of the
>>> time of this writing, we haven't had a chance to fully explore this new
>>> website , but it's always great to
>>> see the spotlight shown on all the work Apple does to make their devices
>>> as usable, to as many people, as they can. It’s also great to see that
>>> the AppleVis Community is featured on Apple’s new Accessibility Portal as
>>> somewhere people should go to obtain more information and support. Thank
>>> you, Apple!
>>>
>>> Get Entertained on Apple TV
>>>
>>> No, there's not a new Apple TV coming out, but there is a new way to find
>>> something to watch on the box you already have. It's a new app from
>>> Apple, called--appropriately enough--TV. Yep, just those two letters.
>>> Interestingly, Apple offers this app on not just Apple TV, but your iOS
>>> devices as well, letting you browse and play content on any of your
>>> devices. But what, exactly, does the app do?
>>>
>>> TV pulls together any shows or movies you're already watching on your
>>> video apps, as well as offering the next or newest episodes in TV series.
>>> This isn't just iTunes, either; it can work with ShowTime, CBS, HBO Now,
>>> and others, which makes it simple to keep up with any entertainment
>>> you're watching. The app also shows you your iTunes purchases or new
>>> video apps. It can even play content without you needing to know which
>>> app the content is in; tell Siri to play a particular show or game and
>>> that's all you need. But don't get too excited, because while the app is
>>> free, it won't be here until the end of the year.
>>>
>>> Prose about the Pro
>>>
>>> The MacBook Pro was the star of the show today. It got a major
>>> makeover--the first since the 2013 model dropped the disk drive--and
>>> there's a lot of great stuff on and inside it. Yet, there's also a change
>>> you may not like.
>>>
>>> Inevitable Updates
>>>
>>> First, the fun part: the updates we all expected, and that Apple almost
>>> had to make. The Pro is now slightly lighter and thinner, while the
>>> battery life remains at ten hours; no surprise there. It's also adopted
>>> the USB-C ports we first saw in the Retina MacBook last year. The new Pro
>>> includes four of them, and any of them can be used to charge the machine,
>>> which is a great touch if your outlet is opposite the power jack of your
>>> Mac. The audio jack, fortunately, hasn't gone anywhere, so there's 

Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Scot, i will have to ask the guys what they did. The way it works for
me right now is that i can turn it on and off, at certain situations,
FX if I'm landing the plane ad the airport where there is like 30
other planes lined up on the runway.
Unless if you have a huge stach of money i don't think you will wanna
do this, in case the mac burns off.
But will ask, of course .

On 10/21/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I’m excited to see what they are like as well.  I bet they will be released
> although I don’t think they would have an event about just the pods Since
> the pods were already covered in the September iPhone event.  Sounds
> reasonable for release day though.
>
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 3:53 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> They do still have the apple ear pods to release this month, late October
>> as it says on the website, possibly the event next week is the release of
>> the pods?
>>
>> Personally I can't wait to see what they're like,
>> They do soud chunky but that's not the same as seeing what they really are
>> like.
>>
>> I just hope they aren't sounding like beets headphones
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2016 4:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release
>>
>> FYI Apple is announcing an event next Thursday.
>>
>> Probably to release these MacBooks.
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting.  I didn't know about the extra gig of program memory.  I can
>>> see where that would be handy, but still don't think I'd want such a
>>> ginormous phone.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:46 AM, Scott Granados 
 wrote:

 The + also has a second camera, an extra gig of program memory and a bit
 larger battery as I understand it.

> On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>
> Hi ET,
>
> The 7--both the plus and the regular have:
> a newer, faster processor
> the new chip that supports the airpots Improved camera (I realize
> that may or may not matter to you) stereo speakers  (I personally
> find the sound noticeably improved) The new virtual home button Is
> slightly thinner
>
>
> Others can probably add to this list.  Remember the Plus refers to the
> larger sized phone.  Personally I prefer the smaller size, but that
> seems to be a gender dependent thing, i.e. most guys seem to like the
> Plus, most women don't.
> HTH,
> Donna
>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 9:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> I was thinking 6s. What does the 7 plus have that the non plus model
>> does not? By the way, how long is the lightning to 3.5 adapter?
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 10/18/2016 10:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> A new iPhone is a most worth while cause.  I love my 7+.  Go with the
>>> plus if you do upgrade.
>>>
 On Oct 18, 2016, at 6:49 PM, E.T. 
 wrote:

 Interesting developments to be. I know nothing about USB C but I
 usually go with the flow and so expect it probably will be an easy
 enough change to adapt to.

 The touch bar I find interesting too. We need someone to beta test
 hardware! Oh right. NDA. So much for that.

 My mid 2012 MBP still seems healthy whereas my bank account is not
 so a new Mac is not on my radar. A new iPhone has a better chance.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 10/18/2016 10:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> Found this article on redmond pie and it seemed totally on topic to
> discuss.  Includes expectations about the up coming release of the
> laptops including the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch
> MacBook taking the place of the 11 inch air, the continuation and
> upgrade of the MacBook air 13, and changes to the MacBook Pro..
> The article notes the source has a hit and miss record with rumors,
> it does indicate that it matches other reports from more reliable
> sources so it seems worth reading.  I’d be interested in comments,
> I’m not sure I like all the proposed changes.
>   The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of
> function keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s
> being included is USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple
> always has to provide a little bit different but 

Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

says under her breath you can over clock a mac like you can with any
cpu, really. do it at your own risk, though :)

On 10/19/16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I’m sure they will come up with what ever adapters you’ll need.  I’m
> surprised for example by the audio improvement on the iPhone 7 using the
> adapter with non Apple headphones and the included headset is also very
> good.
>
> how cool would it be if you could plug in a high quality D/A convertor to
> your iPhone for recording maybe like someone said make  it part of a high
> end Microphone package. (I like that idea)
>
> I just wonder myself about the removal of the traditional USB ports.  I
> still have a lot of cables that use that format not the least of which are
> all of my Apple devices.:)
>
> I’m more curious about the light bar and how Voiceover will be addressed.
>
>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 3:14 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, as a girl who got the Mac book, the one without respiration i can
>> say that it is slower, way slower, however it is my main machine right
>> as we speak for MS flightsim, which it runs relative fine.
>> I am not sure that changing to Usbc is a good thing, but that is just
>> me , as a Keytarist, that would make me think twice about getting the
>> new mac book pro.
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/16, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There were no 7+ available, so I went with the 7 two days ago. I will
>>> probably switch back to the + size iPhone next year. I do love my 7.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 19/10/2016, at 15:24, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A new iPhone is a most worth while cause.  I love my 7+.  Go with the
>>>> plus
>>>> if you do upgrade.
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 6:49 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting developments to be. I know nothing about USB C but I
>>>>> usually
>>>>> go with the flow and so expect it probably will be an easy enough
>>>>> change
>>>>> to adapt to.
>>>>>
>>>>> The touch bar I find interesting too. We need someone to beta test
>>>>> hardware! Oh right. NDA. So much for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> My mid 2012 MBP still seems healthy whereas my bank account is not so
>>>>> a
>>>>> new Mac is not on my radar. A new iPhone has a better chance.
>>>>>
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/18/2016 10:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>> Found this article on redmond pie and it seemed totally on topic to
>>>>>> discuss.  Includes expectations about the up coming release of the
>>>>>> laptops including the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch MacBook
>>>>>> taking the place of the 11 inch air, the continuation and upgrade of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> MacBook air 13, and changes to the MacBook Pro..  The article notes
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> source has a hit and miss record with rumors, it does indicate that
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> matches other reports from more reliable sources so it seems worth
>>>>>> reading.  I’d be interested in comments, I’m not sure I like all the
>>>>>> proposed changes.
>>>>>>   The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of
>>>>>> function
>>>>>> keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s being
>>>>>> included
>>>>>> is USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple always has to provide
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> little bit different but proprietary port that’s a little faster,
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> because) and the power button has the fingerprint Censor (I like it).
>>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read more here.
>>>>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/2016-macbook-pro-still-on-track-for-october-launch-will-feature-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3/
>>>>>>
>>>&g

Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, as a girl who got the Mac book, the one without respiration i can
say that it is slower, way slower, however it is my main machine right
as we speak for MS flightsim, which it runs relative fine.
I am not sure that changing to Usbc is a good thing, but that is just
me , as a Keytarist, that would make me think twice about getting the
new mac book pro.


On 10/18/16, David Chittenden  wrote:
> There were no 7+ available, so I went with the 7 two days ago. I will
> probably switch back to the + size iPhone next year. I do love my 7.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 19/10/2016, at 15:24, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>
>> A new iPhone is a most worth while cause.  I love my 7+.  Go with the plus
>> if you do upgrade.
>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 6:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Interesting developments to be. I know nothing about USB C but I usually
>>> go with the flow and so expect it probably will be an easy enough change
>>> to adapt to.
>>>
>>>  The touch bar I find interesting too. We need someone to beta test
>>> hardware! Oh right. NDA. So much for that.
>>>
>>>  My mid 2012 MBP still seems healthy whereas my bank account is not so a
>>> new Mac is not on my radar. A new iPhone has a better chance.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
 On 10/18/2016 10:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 Found this article on redmond pie and it seemed totally on topic to
 discuss.  Includes expectations about the up coming release of the
 laptops including the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch MacBook
 taking the place of the 11 inch air, the continuation and upgrade of the
 MacBook air 13, and changes to the MacBook Pro..  The article notes the
 source has a hit and miss record with rumors, it does indicate that it
 matches other reports from more reliable sources so it seems worth
 reading.  I’d be interested in comments, I’m not sure I like all the
 proposed changes.
The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of function
 keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s being included
 is USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple always has to provide a
 little bit different but proprietary port that’s a little faster, just
 because) and the power button has the fingerprint Censor (I like it).
 What do you all think?

 Read more here.
 http://www.redmondpie.com/2016-macbook-pro-still-on-track-for-october-launch-will-feature-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3/


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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

well, I'm sure thee is ways to do that. i have a few ones from another
book store. if you are good with the terminal in mac, you could just
grep or make a search for them

On 10/7/16, Anouk Radix <radix.an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sandi, I think i found the right tool www.ebook-converter.com
> <http://www.ebook-converter.com/> it can strip drm AND convert the kindle
> ebook to word or html.
> For me still the problem remains how to get the books out of kindle htough?
> Because the app seems wholly inaccessible with voiceover. I have somehow
> been able to login but how to get all the kindle books FROM the lcoud TO the
> mac…
> Greetings, Anouk,
>> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:25, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> that is how i would do it as well, did not know about the remover
>> program, however, do you have a  url for that ?
>>
>> On 10/6/16, Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
>>> Hello David etc.
>>>
>>> It’s a very clunky experience and I’m probably making it harder for
>>> myself
>>> than necessary.
>>>
>>> 1. Buy a book from Amazon
>>> 2. Open Kindle for Mac and press enter on my new purchase so it is
>>> pulled
>>> down on to the Mac’s HD.
>>> 3. Open Kindle DRM removal and select the new book and remove it’s DRM.
>>> 4. Then from the terminal use the calibre ebook-convert command to
>>> generate
>>> whatever format I require. For my recipe books I like to be able to
>>> search
>>> so I convert to plain text. Others I use epubl
>>>
>>> That’s it in a nutshell. The DRM removal tool is an app that offers a
>>> free
>>> demo period but then a licence has to be purchased.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Gena
>>>
>>>> On 6 Oct 2016, at 08:26, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The last time I tried I could get no Voiceover output book reading
>>>> using
>>>> the Kindle app and there appeared no MacOS Accessibility TTS plug in as
>>>> available on Windows.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe some people use Calibre via command line interface to make
>>>> the
>>>> Kindle books accessible. I would welcome step by sep instructions here
>>>> as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Griffith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MOn 06/10/2016 01:12, Ryan Mann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On the PC, there is a program called Codex that can be used to convert
>>>>> Kindle books to other formats such as Word or HTML.  Is there a
>>>>> program
>>>>> like this for Mac OS?  If not, is there at least a way to read Kindle
>>>>> books with VoiceOver?
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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

that is how i would do it as well, did not know about the remover
program, however, do you have a  url for that ?

On 10/6/16, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> Hello David etc.
>
> It’s a very clunky experience and I’m probably making it harder for myself
> than necessary.
>
> 1. Buy a book from Amazon
> 2. Open Kindle for Mac and press enter on my new purchase so it is pulled
> down on to the Mac’s HD.
> 3. Open Kindle DRM removal and select the new book and remove it’s DRM.
> 4. Then from the terminal use the calibre ebook-convert command to generate
> whatever format I require. For my recipe books I like to be able to search
> so I convert to plain text. Others I use epubl
>
> That’s it in a nutshell. The DRM removal tool is an app that offers a free
> demo period but then a licence has to be purchased.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Gena
>
>> On 6 Oct 2016, at 08:26, David Griffith  wrote:
>>
>> The last time I tried I could get no Voiceover output book reading using
>> the Kindle app and there appeared no MacOS Accessibility TTS plug in as
>> available on Windows.
>>
>>
>> I believe some people use Calibre via command line interface to make the
>> Kindle books accessible. I would welcome step by sep instructions here as
>> well.
>>
>>
>> David Griffith
>>
>>
>> MOn 06/10/2016 01:12, Ryan Mann wrote:
>>
>>> On the PC, there is a program called Codex that can be used to convert
>>> Kindle books to other formats such as Word or HTML.  Is there a program
>>> like this for Mac OS?  If not, is there at least a way to read Kindle
>>> books with VoiceOver?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi.
First to Tim and others, eloquence is faster than fred, no matter how
you slides it. If you need to read long documents. that is the way to
go, but as other says, each to their own, but at least with some of
the documents i read right now , eloquence does a good job of it,
where fred is more weird sounding.
If you are in a study group, or under education, you use what the rest
of the school uses. Im lucky though i can enter the medical data from
my mac into our system, so that is a good thing.
Scot I'm not totally blind, and i have made some special apps for my
iPhone so i can see different things with them, when i interact with
the patients.
I was abused as a girl-child, was taken away to live with my sister
who is a psychiatrist, in my mind there has never been a doubt what i
wanted to be.
Last but not least i will once again say this, if you have a mac, and
need help, speak up, i may not say much , but i can find documents
really fast so all you have to do is read it your self,


Sandi

On 7/9/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Arnold,
>
> I work with both windows and mac systems / machines,
>
> I do a lot of work both at home and work with active directory and exchange
> servers so I prefer to use windows for exchange and windows active directory
> admin tools for AD. The AD tools is not something that at this point can be
> done from a mac or at least that we have found.
>
> I also find that speed for me in windows is  still greater due to years more
> of use so I still fall back to that for comfort.
>
>
> I play more of my media on the mac as it’s better setup for media both
> playing and production.
> But being able to have both systems in one machine is an excellent choice, I
> can flick between OS’s within 20 seconds
>
> But mainly it’s comfort and a lack of knowledge and then the power tools
> that make me use the windows machine.
> Hope that helps
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Simon f
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling
> Mac users: Please read
>
> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you
> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now
> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things simply
> work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the user
> simply does not know how to do something well when they say something
> doesn't work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more
> experienced users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be available
> to me on the Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System Access works,
> and it sounds as if scanning and reading, by importing everything into a
> word processing app is about more trouble than it is worth.  No problem, I
> will use KNFB reader on my iPhone.  But what else does windows do better?
> Thanks for any opinions.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, am not sure if i am experienced or not, but I'm an RN, so well i
know a thing or two.
I use the mac for anything, and windows for scanning and well a few
games like lone woolf.
That is about it , and i will admit it , if i need to read fast
nothing beats eloquence. And i mean like nothing.
Now that you get a new mac, let us know if you need any help. there
gotta be documents we can toss at you for getting you started :)

On 7/9/16, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> Hi,
> For me, the things I tend to use windows for are some games, and sometimes,
> kurzweil 1000.  I have to say, though, that I am not using k1000 hardly at
> all these days, and really don’t miss it that much.  I am considering taking
> the vm off my laptop, and I don’t have it on my desktop at all anymore.
>
> For scanning, I use either docuscan(great for pdf’s), and/or abby fine
> reader.
>
> hth,
> Caitlyn
>
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you
>> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now
>> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things
>> simply work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the
>> user simply does not know how to do something well when they say something
>> doesn't work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more
>> experienced users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be
>> available to me on the Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System
>> Access works, and it sounds as if scanning and reading, by importing
>> everything into a word processing app is about more trouble than it is
>> worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB reader on my iPhone.  But what else
>> does windows do better?  Thanks for any opinions.
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: Reading Large Text Files

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

you are a coder, use what all others use, VIM… also installed on your
box as vi :)

On 7/8/16, Blee Blat  wrote:
> TextMate should do what you're after.  It might also help you code better
> too.
>
> Here's a download link. Don't worry about the beta tag, it seems reasonably
> stable.
> TextMate 2.0 beta 10
> 
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Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

hi, Mark, beautifully put. Joseph. my idea is make an evening , find
out what do people need, and take it from there.
As Mark says though having both windows and mac is not a bad idea, i
use windows for scanning and reading if i need to read fast.
For all of you who have a mac and have problems with them, write write
write. it is what the list is made for, and remember , the only stupid
questions are the once not asked.
Sandi

On 7/7/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Arnold,
>
> Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?  Because, you
> remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my Mac journey.  This is
> to say, even after owning an iPhone for some time, I found that learning how
> to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, extremely frustrating, at first--especially
> given my then expertise with Jaws for Windows.
>
> There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they merely
> wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to themselves
> that they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out of frustration with
> the status quo.  My point is that, why, one does something can, in many
> instances directly affect the outcome of the exploration, itself.
>
> In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac because I
> was completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering that they
> deliberately removed the self-voicing installation feature that shipped with
> the first beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy of that particular beta
> which, via Narrator, offered a flawlessly comprehensive installation
> experience for a totally blind user.  It never crossed my mind that they
> would pull that feature in subsequent beta releases which, as it turned out,
> they did.
>
> I can still remember the rage I felt when one of the Microsoft talking
> heads, up in Redland, told me, via telephone, that they pulled the feature
> as a result of security concerns.  Even as I write this, reliving the
> experience in my mind, my blood begins to proverbially boil.
>
> But I digress.
>
> My point is that after that phone call, I went directly to my local Mac
> store and purchased my first MacBook Pro.  As you can imagine, my primary
> motivation for learning the Mac was because I was sick and tired of
> Microsoft restricting installation access to its blind and low vision
> users--especially given that they had proven that it could be done and that
> it could be done well.
>
> Having said all of this, let me add that, despite the opinions of many, the
> Macintosh is not for everyone or not better in all situations.
>
> Windows is a fine operating system and Jaws, Window Eyes, Zoomtext, etc are
> all marvelous accessibility tools.
>
> Generally speaking, I think it's best to learn how to use both Windows and
> Mac OS.  Financial limitations notwithstanding, there is no need to choose
> one over the other.
>
> I want to applaud your effort in exploring the Macintosh.  Do not be
> disappointed in yourself; you will learn what you need to know when you need
> to know it.  That's just the way the universe works, in my opinion.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 10:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>
> I have been thinking about this for several days.  As one coming from
> Windows, having used windows since I got my windows 98 computer in 2000,
> learning to use the mac is like learning a whole new language.  I know what
> I want to do, but how to do it is almost totally different.  Hey, control c
> copies something and control v pastes it, they have that in common.  But I
> have come up with the best reason yet for me to get some used equipment and
> learn to do it.  Even if I come to the conclusion that there really isn't a
> whole lot I can do, in all caps, BETTER on the mac than in windows, I
> learned to do it, and will be able to speak? mac as well as windows.  That
> is a pretty good reason to do it.  I admit, I probably wouldn't bother if I
> didn't have my iPhone, which apparently works a little better in Mac iTunes,
> than in windows iTunes.  We'll see, eventually. Now, if I just didn't have
> to work 40 hours a week, becoming proficient in mac would happen sooner.
> This was one of my vacation weeks.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kimber Gardner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 7:21 AM
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>
>
> I'm not Arnold so can't presume to answer for him, but I found myself
> in a similar situation several years ago when I bought a MacAir.
> Despite multiple attempts to learn the new operating system, I found
> myself frustrated at nearly every turn. Now I've been an IT
> professional for thirty years, working all 

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

well, Arnold, what you should have done, i know it is easy for me to
say this, gotten all of the starting manuals.
I had i believe 3 weeks too learn the mac, but i was pretty set on
what i wanted, so that combined with a workweek on way more than 40
hours, my work was cut out for me to start with, yet i will  never
look back and get anything different for serious use.

Sandi.

On 7/7/16, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
> Hi Arnold.
> That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can
> continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably
> won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
> Katie
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will  read in some other
>> messages, I am checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the
>> new one back the end of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the
>> story.
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Simon Fogarty
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM
>> Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>
>> Hi arnld,
>>
>> Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
>>
>> That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the apple
>> os.
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>
>> Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free
>> one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough
>> struggles. My information that I would like you to have been say is below
>> in my signature. I had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret
>> getting it. I will say this, I can probably work a few more websites now
>> that I couldn't work with Jaws with my Mac or my iPho and this message is
>> not just for Arnold this is for anybody who has trouble with the Mac still
>> free to use interviews my information in my signature as well as you
>> wish.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
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>> Twitter
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>>
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>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past two
>> weeks, concerning my Mac Mini.  However, I ended up taking it back after
>> all yesterday, which was my last day to return it.
>>
>> To attempt to make a long message not quite so long, I guess I just wasn't
>> getting it as much  as I think I should have been.  Every time I would
>> turn it on, it seemed that I still was having to look up how to do things
>> that I thought I had already learned, and it definitely was getting more
>> frustrating than fun, being that I could very easily do those things in
>> Windows, or on my iPhone.  And in the end, what was going to be the real
>> benefit to me?  ITunes allegedly easier to use, and being able to install
>> the OS myself.
>>
>> Being that yesterday was going to be my last day, I started out intending
>> to put in a lot of extra time with it, before the time for my paratransit
>> trip to return it arrived, which I still thought I was going to cancel.
>> So, I decided to log into my bank web site, which I had not attempted yet.
>>  I successfully passed the first step in the two-step verification, but
>> then, no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to read the security
>> question it wanted answered.  No problem in Windows, or my iPhone, no go
>> on this Mac mini.  I could tell  the location for the answer field, I
>> could find what should have been the question field, it just wouldn't read
>> anything.  I typed in the answer to one of my security questions, which,
>> of course, was the wrong answer for the question it was asking.  I am sure
>> the inability to get it to read the security question was mine, not the
>> Mac Mini's .  So, I closed Safari, then decided to turn on keyboard help,
>> just to try differing combinations of keys I had never tried before to see
>> what it would say.  I was trying the function keys, and hit a key at the
>> very right end of them, and it just shut off.  Nothing I did would get
>> VoiceOver talking again.  I tried the three-finger triple tap on the track
>> pad,then the three-finger double tap which is what it is on my iPhone,
>> turned the track pad commander off and on, turned the whole computer off
>> and back on, nothing.  And this was my last day.
>>
>> I wish I had had 30 days.  If I had had, I still don't think it would have
>> gone back.  But I didn't want to be one of those people who 

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

if you are on a mini, with no monitor connected, it is normal
behavior. mine does this sometimes as well.

On 7/7/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> Hi. After my issues with the keyboard freezing! I’ve had my Mac Mini
> replaced and I could of asked for a refund when I went to the Apple store
> yesterday but I wanted to give the OS the benefit of the doubt and got a
> replacement and It’s been working well since I had set it up again yesterday
> evening. I’m learning commands because I’m using programs like the mail
> client everyday and Ive been making mental notes of them as well. I don’t
> know whether you can install software from the internet without risking
> infecting the OS with a virus but I did download RS Games which was very
> buggy and Skype and my theory is that may have been the cause of the
> keyboard freezing in edit boxes periodically.  I’m not ever going  to
> download anything from the internet again. If I want to listen to an audio
> file! I will stream it on another device.
>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 17:52, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>
>> I got an iPhone 5 in October, 2012, and now have an iPhone 6.   I consider
>> them to be the most life changing pieces of electronics I have ever
>> bought. I wanted to try this Mac Mini,   and am willing to give a Mac
>> another attempt in the future.
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>
>>
>> I would have gone for an iPod. It’s an iPhone, without the phone. So you
>> can spend as little or as much time with it as necessary, without being
>> tied to any sort of contract. This was my first ever iOS device, the iPod
>> Touch 4th Generation, and about six months later I migrated to the iPhone
>> 4. To date, I have an iPod Touch 6th Generation, iPhone 5s and iPad Mini
>> 2. I have other Apple products, but these will be kept off the list for
>> now. I would highly recommend anyone to start out with an iPod before
>> trying an iPhone. Just my £0.02 worth and it worked like a charm for me.
>>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 16:00, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>>
>>> Apple is the one who imposed the deadline.  I called Apple Accessibility,
>>> and the Apple main number, trying to get it extended, no luck.
>>>
>>> I'll bet we all know blind people who get an iPhone, and just don't seem
>>> to get it.  They end up getting Searie to do everything for them, because
>>> they just never seem to have caught on to using the touch screen.  By
>>> then, they have their iPhone, like it or not, and would have to pay a big
>>> cancellation fee to return it.  I just didn't want to have all this money
>>> invested in something that I very well may, but may not have caught onto
>>> eventually.   By no means did I expect to be fluent at it by yesterday,
>>> but I think I should have been getting it, a little more than I was by
>>> the deadline. I am not opposed to trying it again in the future.  It will
>>> have to be some kind of cheaper alternative, though, until I feel
>>> confident that I am going to get it.  I wish Apple had given me more
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Arnold Schmidt
 - Original Message - From: Scott Granados
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:19 AM
 Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

 Arnold, you never stood a chance.  You can’t learn an operating system
 in 2 weeks, thinking you could was unreasonable.  I wouldn’t even
 undertake such a thing with a limited time frame like that ant ai have
 35 years of computer experience.  Also, you went in to it with the wrong
 mindset. I remember the first posts you had set up for failure on day 1.
  It’s like learning a language, you can’t learn it word by word or just
 in dribs and drabs, the only real way to learn is full emersion.  If I
 were learning French I’d head to France and plop down in the middle of
 the country where i didn’t have a choice.  Same with computing.  When
 you decide to learn a new operating system you have to cut your self off
 from the old. You have to build up all new muscle memory for keyboard
 commands.  I’d say 10 to 1 you kept issuing windows type keyboard
 commands on the Mac and introducing problems not for anything you are
 doing wrong just because you’re new and have built up years of muscle
 memory for commands in Windows.
 You also didn’t value learning the Mac.  You mentioned several times
 even in your first post that you wouldn’t gain anything.  So in the end
 I’m not sure why you bothered.  That’s like walking in to the job
 interview, telling your self you’re not going to get the job anyway and
 then living up to your expectations.:)  If you ever try this again with
 any platform 

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

maybe it would be a good idea to make a evening where the new users
could ask the older users about stuff?
Skype could be used for this, or other chat like things, i am not
going to suggest Irc, since not many blind folks are on it it seems
like. But we could definitely make a chat like thing, that would work.
I don't recall all of my questions from back in time , and the thing
is, we were once there , all of us, some are better at different
things than others. it be fusion, or other things.
I am girlgirl12345 on Skype, if anyone need help, give me a call.
Maybe i don't answer right away, but i *do* see it and will come back
with an answer :)
Sandi

On 7/7/16, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
> I'm not Arnold so can't presume to answer for him, but I found myself
> in a similar situation several years ago when I bought a MacAir.
> Despite multiple attempts to learn the new operating system, I found
> myself frustrated at nearly every turn. Now I've been an IT
> professional for thirty years, working all that time in the windows
> environment, still I found the learning curve extremely daunting.
>
> I've read this thread with great interest and I think the many
> comments about total immersion while learning may have been the root
> of my own failure with the Mac. Because I became frustrated in my
> attempts to accomplish the simplest of tasks (like reading and
> answering email), I frequently switched back to windows to do what I
> needed to do. Consequently I lost whatever ground I had gained in the
> Mac universe.
>
> This is my rather long way of saying that while installing bootcamp on
> a Mac may seem like no big deal to you (or anyone who is comfortable
> with the Mac), for me that task seems like a mountain the size of
> Everest. I suspect Arnold may feel the same.
>
> Unlike Arnold I kept my Mac and still return to it from time to time.
> I've been a devoted Apple user on the mobile platform for several
> years and there is something that brings me back to the Mac again and
> again. It may be just that I don't like to admit failure in the face
> of any technology. I don't really know. About the only method I
> haven't tried is one on one training. That may be my next (and
> possibly final) step.
>
> Kimber
>
> On 7/7/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Hi arnld,
>>
>> Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
>>
>> That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the
>> apple
>> os.
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>
>> Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free
>> one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough
>> struggles.
>> My information that I would like you to have been say is below in my
>> signature. I had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it.
>> I
>> will say this, I can probably work a few more websites now that I
>> couldn't
>> work with Jaws with my Mac or my iPho and this message is not just for
>> Arnold this is for anybody who has trouble with the Mac still free to use
>> interviews my information in my signature as well as you wish.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>>
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past two
>> weeks, concerning my Mac Mini.  However, I ended up taking it back after
>> all
>> yesterday, which was my last day to return it.
>>
>> To attempt to make a long message not quite so long, I guess I just
>> wasn't
>> getting it as much as I think I should have been.  Every time I would
>> turn
>> it on, it seemed that I still was having to look up how to do things that
>> I
>> thought I had already learned, and it definitely was getting more
>> frustrating than fun, being that I could very easily do those things in
>> Windows, or on my iPhone.  And in the end, what was going to be the real
>> benefit to me?  ITunes allegedly easier to use, and being able to install
>> the OS myself.
>>
>> Being that yesterday was going to be my last day, I started out intending
>> to
>> put in a lot of extra time with it, before the time for my paratransit
>> trip
>> to return it arrived, which I still thought I was going to cancel.  So, I
>> decided to log into my bank web site, which I had not attempted yet.  I
>> successfully passed the first step in the two-step verification, but
>> then,
>> no matter 

Re: vm and insert key?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Nancy, i am not sure there is one, but we could write one :) you know,
that is what geeks do. what exactly do you wanna know?
Scot, between you and me , the only thing windows is being used for is
, Ocring, and playing lone wolf :) but you are right of course ,
security is at best a laugh.



On 7/6/16, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote:
> Is there a tutorial anywhere for using VM? Especially with VoiceOver?
>
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:27 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, i found a guide about it, here is what you do.
>> go to the from box, press the key left too your number 1 on your
>> keyboard, to go too the too box, press Vo-space, and a list comes up,
>> select the right key, and you are golden.
>> Amazing that little mac book can run windows xp, ss
>>
>>> On 7/5/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> Just to be clear, are you using sharp keys to make this adjustment or
>>> how
>>> are you remapping in vmware?
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi. in short, what do you do in the too field under mapping of keys in
>>>> vmware?
>>>> i can get from field in cutely enough, but i seem to remember there is
>>>> a list of keys in the too combo box, but when i interact with it ,
>>>> nothing happens,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Sandi, who is apparently it  seems  having a blonde moment
>>>> despite black mane :)
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Re: vm and insert key?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i aint needing anything more than xp, i only need it for reads and
scanning, if i needed better, i would get it :)

On 7/6/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> Ah it sounds like sharp keys.
>
> Don’t bother with XP, it’s outdated, try win 8 or win 10.
>
>
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:27 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, i found a guide about it, here is what you do.
>> go to the from box, press the key left too your number 1 on your
>> keyboard, to go too the too box, press Vo-space, and a list comes up,
>> select the right key, and you are golden.
>> Amazing that little mac book can run windows xp, ss
>>
>> On 7/5/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> Just to be clear, are you using sharp keys to make this adjustment or
>>> how
>>> are you remapping in vmware?
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi. in short, what do you do in the too field under mapping of keys in
>>>> vmware?
>>>> i can get from field in cutely enough, but i seem to remember there is
>>>> a list of keys in the too combo box, but when i interact with it ,
>>>> nothing happens,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Sandi, who is apparently it  seems  having a blonde moment
>>>> despite black mane :)
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Re: vm and insert key?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, i found a guide about it, here is what you do.
go to the from box, press the key left too your number 1 on your
keyboard, to go too the too box, press Vo-space, and a list comes up,
select the right key, and you are golden.
Amazing that little mac book can run windows xp, ss

On 7/5/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> Just to be clear, are you using sharp keys to make this adjustment or how
> are you remapping in vmware?
>
>
>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi. in short, what do you do in the too field under mapping of keys in
>> vmware?
>> i can get from field in cutely enough, but i seem to remember there is
>> a list of keys in the too combo box, but when i interact with it ,
>> nothing happens,
>>
>>
>> Best Sandi, who is apparently it  seems  having a blonde moment
>> despite black mane :)
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vm and insert key?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi. in short, what do you do in the too field under mapping of keys in vmware?
i can get from field in cutely enough, but i seem to remember there is
a list of keys in the too combo box, but when i interact with it ,
nothing happens,


Best Sandi, who is apparently it  seems  having a blonde moment
despite black mane :)

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Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i think the only Mac thing here is that Linux runs on mac? unless i am
missing something? :)

On 7/1/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal and
> then speech starts.
>
> Should be relatively straight forward.
>
>
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying
>> the mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible
>> mostly.
>> Sent from my Mac.
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> How did you try to install it under VMWare?
>>>
>>> One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You
>>> can install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal
>>> image creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give
>>> it a few minutes to build a VM.
>>>
>>> That might be something to try.
>>>
 On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater > wrote:

 Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to
 work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be
 useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there
 aren’t any blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I
 now turn to Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using
 Sonar with it just fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got
 Virtual Box in order to play with an Android talking virtual machine,
 which stopped talking after updating talkback, and found that besides
 freezes, probably from it being Android, ported to x86 architecture, it
 ran pretty quickly and responsively, unlike VmWare unless you tweet
 settings in VMX files. So, are there any tips for more easily using
 Virtual Box, like adding iOS files to virtual machines and running them,
 when I tried it didn’t work, or anyone that has a Sonar Virtual machine
 that works in Virtual box, or VmWare somehow?
 Sent from my Mac.

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Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Scot, but now imagine that apple looses… just for the sake of the
discussion… what will be next, our cars? the sat nav? when will it
stop?

On 2/18/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> So the EFF is with apple I believe, Google and Facebook, it’s just the media
> who the government controls and the FBI who want this.
>
> Just to add one small correction though, the pin isn’t the key it’s self.
> So while you’re right about the number of combinations of 4 digits the
> actual number of combinations is probably more like 2 to the 2048th power
> combinations.  The pin is but a seed / pass phrase component of the key
> pair.
>
> Since it seems most people are on the side of Apple we should all write
> Apple in support and write our congress persons letting them know we don’t
> support this intrusion.
>
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> so here is the thing, from what i understand and iPhones are not my
>> favorite subject, but ill try my best.
>> When you lock your iPhone the key too encrypt it all is on your phone,
>> apple don't have it anymore, so not even they can unlock the iPhone,
>> not even if they wanted, if you use a lock code on say 4 digits, there
>> is 1 different combinations, and it gets worse seen form Fbis
>> point of view, because after i believe it is 10 times wrong passcode,
>> the phone erases it self.
>> I personally like this feature, not that i have anything interesting
>> on my phone, but i like the fact that my data is actually secure,
>> problem is if they find a way to force apple into making something
>> that works, even if it is just for one iPhone, guess  what the next
>> time the shit hits the fan there will be precedence for having apple
>> roll their magic again.
>> And that might be the dangerous part. It seems that google is with
>> apple on this one at least they sites with them, but have anyone heard
>> any Ms comments?
>>
>> On 2/18/16, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> Michael,
>>>I urge you to do your own moderating by using that delete key on
>>> messages that bother you. I had to do that very task hundreds of times
>>> just this week. And I expect that task is far from over. (smiles)
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>
>>> On 2/18/2016 9:52 AM, Michael Malver wrote:
>>>> Two questions:
>>>> 1. Why is this topic any more important for blind users than for any
>>>> other? That supposition is non-sensical to me.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Since this topic is apparently on-topic, why couldn't Apple design
>>>> some
>>>> sort of tool whereby law enforcement could send a specific device to
>>>> Apple, who could then take the device apart, and read/decrypt the data,
>>>> much as one might now do through the removal of a hard rive from a
>>>> laptop?
>>>> Asked another way, could something be developed which isn't part of the
>>>> operating system, but which could helplaw enforcement perform their
>>>> task?
>>>> For what it's worth, I think Tim is doing absolutely the right thing. A
>>>> couple bad Americans shouldn't disrupt the majority of us who deserve
>>>> incryption and who would not misuse it.
>>>> I ask the above purely as hypotheticles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:40 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable
>>>> search
>>>>
>>>> Not to encourage more heavy traffic but this IS an important issue
>>>> especially for blind users.
>>>>
>>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>
>>>> On 2/18/2016 9:30 AM, Michael Malver wrote:
>>>>> I have a very important comment:
>>>>> This topic should be off topic for this list, which deals with how
>>>>> blind
>>>>> people interact with iPhones. I am not a moderator, but I hope I am
>>>>> right
>>>>> about th

Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

so here is the thing, from what i understand and iPhones are not my
favorite subject, but ill try my best.
When you lock your iPhone the key too encrypt it all is on your phone,
apple don't have it anymore, so not even they can unlock the iPhone,
not even if they wanted, if you use a lock code on say 4 digits, there
is 1 different combinations, and it gets worse seen form Fbis
point of view, because after i believe it is 10 times wrong passcode,
the phone erases it self.
I personally like this feature, not that i have anything interesting
on my phone, but i like the fact that my data is actually secure,
problem is if they find a way to force apple into making something
that works, even if it is just for one iPhone, guess  what the next
time the shit hits the fan there will be precedence for having apple
roll their magic again.
And that might be the dangerous part. It seems that google is with
apple on this one at least they sites with them, but have anyone heard
any Ms comments?

On 2/18/16, E.T.  wrote:
> Michael,
> I urge you to do your own moderating by using that delete key on
> messages that bother you. I had to do that very task hundreds of times
> just this week. And I expect that task is far from over. (smiles)
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
>
> On 2/18/2016 9:52 AM, Michael Malver wrote:
>> Two questions:
>> 1. Why is this topic any more important for blind users than for any
>> other? That supposition is non-sensical to me.
>>
>> 2. Since this topic is apparently on-topic, why couldn't Apple design some
>> sort of tool whereby law enforcement could send a specific device to
>> Apple, who could then take the device apart, and read/decrypt the data,
>> much as one might now do through the removal of a hard rive from a
>> laptop?
>> Asked another way, could something be developed which isn't part of the
>> operating system, but which could helplaw enforcement perform their task?
>> For what it's worth, I think Tim is doing absolutely the right thing. A
>> couple bad Americans shouldn't disrupt the majority of us who deserve
>> incryption and who would not misuse it.
>> I ask the above purely as hypotheticles.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:40 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search
>>
>>  Not to encourage more heavy traffic but this IS an important issue
>> especially for blind users.
>>
>>   From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>> On 2/18/2016 9:30 AM, Michael Malver wrote:
>>> I have a very important comment:
>>> This topic should be off topic for this list, which deals with how blind
>>> people interact with iPhones. I am not a moderator, but I hope I am right
>>> about this.
>>>
 On Feb 18, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Scott Granados 
 wrote:

 Wonder if anyone else is following Tim Cook’s position against being
 forced to cripple the security on iPhones.  Anyone have any comments?

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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

okay, so here goes, if you look at the mails that is eventually
shooting VO down, there is no strange letters in the subject, we are 4
different persons who is trying to fix this into a update so it don't
happen again, but is hard too duplicate.
Could someone be so kind as to send me a private email with the letters?
Stopping it from happening is easy enough, but making it crash is hard,

On 2/17/16, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> In VoiceOver utility, under speech category, set all your voices to Alex and
> Alex to be your default voice.  It seems as if somehow the announcements are
> made by a different voice rather than default.
>
> hope this helps.
>
> Andrew
>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 23:10, Marie Lyons  wrote:
>>
>> V/O F8 doesn’t do anything on my computer. Well since then I wound up with
>> 3 different voices. Alex reads the message but Victoria and Fred seem to
>> make the announcements.  I don’t like this.  I have no idea why I can’t
>> fix it.
>>
>> Marie Lyons
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:18 PM, CJ Daniel >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Marie,
>>>
>>> Press VO-F8 to launch the VO Utility.  VO-Shift-DownArrow on the Category
>>> table.  Arrow to the Speech option.  VO-Shift-UpArrow to stop interacting
>>> & move right to the voice options.  Press VO-SpaceBar to select it. Down
>>> Arrow to the Configure option.  Pick any other voice than Alex, Bruce, or
>>> Fred.  Wait for it to download & then select it.  That’ll do it.
>>>
>>> You see there’s an ass on the list, who has figured out a string of text
>>> that, when inserted into the subject line of an email, causes Alex to
>>> shut down.  It’s real cute.  I hope he reaps what he’s sown.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> CJ
>>>
>>>
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:

 My v/o keeps shutting down.  What can I do to fix it?

 Marie Lyons. I had called disability support and they couldn’t figure it
 out.  Help greatly appreciated

 Marie Lyons
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:55 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to
> shut
> down the Alex screen reader this morning.
>
> At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and
> recognized it
> as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for
> posting offensive language.
>
> For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the
> members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts
> continued
> to come to the list.
>
> I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning
> home
> about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first,
> change
> his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list.
>
> To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in
> any
> groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I
> think I
> located the right address.  Only time will tell.
>
> Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and
> am
> doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances.
>
> For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer,
> as
> well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use
> my
> Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of
> the
> problem.
>
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> through
> it.
>
> Mark
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Re: The Martian Released on iTunes, Audio Described

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

after having watched The martian, i will say that the movie's good but
another good one is gravity.
No artificial voices, just clean space operations, of course if you
are just in it for the thrills, it is a good one but in gravity you
have more realism.

On 1/26/16, Grant  wrote:
> I’ve observed something interesting. When I search for this movie in the
> iTunes Store either on my Mac or iPhone, and bring up its details, the
> following is listed under the Languages heading for the primary language:
> "English (Dolby 5.1, Subtitles, CC, AD)”. Presumably, CC stands for closed
> captioning while AD stands for audio description. So it looks like when a
> movie is described, it’ll be tagged with AD. I’m totally open to corrections
> if this is wrong.
>
> I’m not sure how to tell for TV episodes, though, if in fact there are any
> described TV episodes on iTunes.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Grant
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.

On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 Hi,

 Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
 to offer nothing that we would care about?

 Not even speks.


 Sincerely,
 the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
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Re: Voices

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Morning from rainy and cold scandinavia, this day i might as well live
in england, I like Anne use Fred, if i need anything mostly nursing
books read to me i use ida.
If  I need to read faster than that ,in english i use eloquence, and
yes it is under windows.
guys… i will be wet… and i hate it. anyways,
hugs too these who wants them , have a nice day…
Sandi

On 10/16/14, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote:
 Which I should have done. Ok, I asked this because after installing
 Mavericks and doing some tweaks to get it to boot up smoothly, I still
 find it problematic for about 30 to 60 seconds. I still have the welcome
 message option enabled so its quite evident at that point when Samantha
 can barely speak. But after this 30 to 60 seconds, Mavericks seems to be
 ok as I have been moving data, changing settings and so on, no issues. I
 just let it boot and wait and then start using the Mac.

 I toyed with the idea of using different voices in different
 applications but may just stick with one voice.

  From The Believer. . .
   . . . what if it were true?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 10/16/2014 11:37 AM, David Griffith wrote:
 I have changed the subject line as we were drifting into OS.
 The scansoft voices are the modern voices introduced in Lion as I recall
 it. That is voices like Daniel, tom, Samantha etc.

 My experience is that my 2011 iMacis snappier with Alex.

 I used to have different voices for Mail and Safari etc under activities
 and my Mac started to crawl. after I went to Mavericks So I got rid of all
 activities and just use Alex and I have a fast  Mac again.

 David griffith
 On 16 Oct 2014, at 18:02, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote:

 David,
Which ones are the Scansoft voices in Mavericks??

  From The Believer. . .
 . . . what if it were true?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 10/15/2014 5:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:
 I wonder what made you go back to Mountain Lion? I too found the
 upgrade
 to Mavericks initially disturbing and originally considering trying to
 revert but  find most things work fine nowadays, even iBooks is more
 usable now.

 In my case the key on my 2011 iMac was to
 1. Do a clean install.
 2. Go back to Alex as my default voice.
 3. Stop using Scansoft voices, particularly in conjunction with
 activities.

 After that the lagging and busy issue pretty much disappeared and all
 seemed to work fine with only minor annoyances which so far have work
 around. The file attachment  feature of Mail is now more time
 consuming because you have to go to save as in the file menu. On my
 machine you cannot escape out of the menu bar but have to go to menu
 extras and then you can use escape.  None of this is show stopping for
 me. The major annoyance for me is that the tab feature appears to have
 messed up the ability to open multiple windows so if I want to have
 multiple windows in Finder open I have to use the open in new window
 command from the context menu  rather than just use command down arrow.

 David Griffith
 On 16/10/2014 00:00, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
 Superlative little rant, that. :)

 For myself, I'm back on Mountain Lion for my primary machine, a mid-11
 iMac, to get an email client that displays plain text messages, a
 working C compiler compatible with much Open Source software, and no
 bloody iBooks.  It's still iOSified, but at least it functions.  I am
 thinking about Windows--have been for a while now, actually--as going
 neither further back nor further forward with OS X would appear to be
 options.  I would stay with Snow Leopard, but it's not an option, and
 Mavericks+ are where the dumbed-down interfaces get a bit too much for
 anything that isn't basic mucking about.  Linux: nope, not on the
 desktop.  Windows 7, then?

 You can hide U2 easily enough, in iTunes, on your purchases tab.  And
 you can hide them from your cloud view by just deleting them and
 taking the option to hide.

 As for iOS, I'd suggest you sign up for an Apple Developer account or
 team up with someone who has so you can run the 8.1 beta.  You'd be in
 a better position to judge the performance of the bug fixes, and
 complain to Apple about the remainder.  Personally, although I think
 iOS is turning into Android, in an unhealthy way, even as OS X turns
 into iOS, I can't complain about my iPhone 6+.  It gives me pleasure
 to use it, even if I get annoyed by some of the bugs or can't tell
 which app requires which permissions.  I still have an iOS 7-equipped
 iPad and iPod, when I need smooth sailing above all things.  The
 initial iOS 8 release and the subsequent minor releases did not enjoy
 good quality control, and not just for VoiceOver users either, but I
 do think we have been punished rather badly compared to previous
 releases.

 And yeah, we are the customers, dammit; don't excuse or idolise
 Apple.  There is a reason why the folder where my Apple list traffic
 goes into is called BlindFaith. :)

 So anyway, KBO.



 

Re: weird fusion problem

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

hi Annie:)
it is fusion 5, my problem is that i would have too use a windows 7
image, and have honestly not found one yet, not on danish.

Best Sandi


On 9/7/14, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Sandy.

 Is it VMware 7 or 6. I do not know if people agree on this, but my
 experiences with windows xp is rather bad in fusion, it was slow and not
 very stable, I use windows 7, and it runs much better.

 Best regards Annie.
 Den 07/09/2014 kl. 17.06 skrev Sandi Jazmin Kruse sandi1...@gmail.com:

 hi all. have just today installed windows xp as i usually do, but
 can't copy stuff too the machine from the mac part of the computer.
 What can i have done?

 Sandi who is totally puzzled..

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weird fusion problem

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

hi all. have just today installed windows xp as i usually do, but
can't copy stuff too the machine from the mac part of the computer.
What can i have done?

Sandi who is totally puzzled..

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Re: reading without pause

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

hey, Anne got a point, however it don't make much of a difference.
It will still make a simulated pause with , and .'s
If you want to read fast, set up your speech speed, i know it is not
what you are asking about, but it might be the best that can be done
right this moment.
At least it is the best i can come  up with right now :)

Sandi


On 9/2/14, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 Use find and replace to get rid of them.

 Cheers,

 Anne


 On 3 Sep 2014, at 06:21, Dionipher Herrera dionip...@gmail.com wrote:

 so what would i do?
 On 02 Sep 2014, at 22:59, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 VoiceOver pauses at new line characters. Check your text for these. The
 Mac considers a new line to be a paragraph break, but often, documents
 created using Windows has these extra new line characters all over the
 place.

 Cheers,

 Anne


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 wrote:

 i tried reading again with read all  gesture, it read pauses every line
 and sentences. it's so awfull to here some pauses between the word THE
 and others. it's not nice to here, so i want the voice over to speak
 without pauses.

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weird thing about textedit

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

hi, when i read text with textedit it is like it skips the text if a
line is too long.
How can i fix that ?

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