Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi, Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: I just ordered an IPhone 3gs and what decided me finally was hearing a podcast about android accessibility on the Blindcooltech feed. The two big advantages the IPhone 3gs has over Android and this is as of March 27, 2010 are that both email and browsing are accessible. Those two parts of Android still aren't accessible. What blind people will get that buy Android is the same accessibility that was available on the LG3600 phone when that became available. But that's why me and verizon parted company all those years ago and I'm still happy that split happened!On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt ?my other mail provider is an owl? Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Using it on the go I mean, while I?m walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don?t think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro?s and cons. Yeah I?ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It?s a number of different things that I?m hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I?m guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and ATT, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to ATT and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from Code Factory I then would have to deal with ATT's office of national disability concerns which
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi Ricardo Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? Has the IPhone ben completely overhauled in v. 4.0? I was under the impression that the model was the same, and that it was only the software that is being upgraded. TC James, Lyn, Nash Twinny On 28 Mar 2010, at 12:04, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: I just ordered an IPhone 3gs and what decided me finally was hearing a podcast about android accessibility on the Blindcooltech feed. The two big advantages the IPhone 3gs has over Android and this is as of March 27, 2010 are that both email and browsing are accessible. Those two parts of Android still aren't accessible. What blind people will get that buy Android is the same accessibility that was available on the LG3600 phone when that became available. But that's why me and verizon parted company all those years ago and I'm still happy that split happened!On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt ?my other mail provider is an owl? Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Using it on the go I mean, while I?m walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don?t think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro?s and cons. Yeah I?ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It?s a number of different things that I?m hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I?m guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and ATT, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to ATT and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could
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Hi, Whoa, I think someone needs to check their timezone and keyboard layouts. *smile* 18 Jul 2009? Unless this is a very, very old thread. Well, I believe Talkback is also Open Source, actually. The learning curve for the iPhone is steep, but I hardly think you can actually give an opinion on the device before you have spent a little while testing it. The learning curve is more steep for others, of course, but I think it all comes down to thinking with an open mind. But I'm sure everyone has said this. It won't be like any other phone you've had. Regardless of how accustomed you have become with a key-like interface, even a keypad phone is different when you switch to another model. It'll act differently, in most instances, settings will be located elsewhere, and some things just won't work the same way. The iPhone is great, but it isn't the perfect device for everyone. IF you're really curious about the device, though, I'd read the manual. Go to the Apple store and try one out. And, if you have the opportunity, buy it and keep it for about ten days. You can return it, if possible, if you're dissatisfied. Some stores let you do this. That'll give you a much more accurate comparison. And, not to mention, you'll be able to say exactly why you don't like it and what you think could be improved. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Mar 28, 2010, at 1:50 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Ricardo Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? Has the IPhone ben completely overhauled in v. 4.0? I was under the impression that the model was the same, and that it was only the software that is being upgraded. TC James, Lyn, Nash Twinny On 28 Mar 2010, at 12:04, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: I just ordered an IPhone 3gs and what decided me finally was hearing a podcast about android accessibility on the Blindcooltech feed. The two big advantages the IPhone 3gs has over Android and this is as of March 27, 2010 are that both email and browsing are accessible. Those two parts of Android still aren't accessible. What blind people will get that buy Android is the same accessibility that was available on the LG3600 phone when that became available. But that's why me and verizon parted company all those years ago and I'm still happy that split happened!On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt ?my other mail provider is an owl? Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Using it on the go I mean, while I?m walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don?t think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro?s and cons. Yeah I?ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It?s a number of different things that I?m hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I?m guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications
Re: IPhone accessibility
This is my point exactly. Know one knows. lol. I wouldn't be shocked if they did make some changes to the hardware. They usually do. Changes to the hardware. like, Faster processor, more storage memory( which is almost a given), better camera, maybe a flash. We all know what the 3GS is all about and well I just don't see the point in buying something that will be eclipsed in 4 months at the most. On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:50 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Ricardo Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? Has the IPhone ben completely overhauled in v. 4.0? I was under the impression that the model was the same, and that it was only the software that is being upgraded. TC James, Lyn, Nash Twinny On 28 Mar 2010, at 12:04, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: I just ordered an IPhone 3gs and what decided me finally was hearing a podcast about android accessibility on the Blindcooltech feed. The two big advantages the IPhone 3gs has over Android and this is as of March 27, 2010 are that both email and browsing are accessible. Those two parts of Android still aren't accessible. What blind people will get that buy Android is the same accessibility that was available on the LG3600 phone when that became available. But that's why me and verizon parted company all those years ago and I'm still happy that split happened!On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt ?my other mail provider is an owl? Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Using it on the go I mean, while I?m walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don?t think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro?s and cons. Yeah I?ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It?s a number of different things that I?m hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I?m guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more
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No one can possibly know without having inside information, whether or not APple will have a new version out in the next few months. There is a lot of speculation, but Apple tends to keep things so quiet, that no one knows for sure. On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:50 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Ricardo Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? Has the IPhone ben completely overhauled in v. 4.0? I was under the impression that the model was the same, and that it was only the software that is being upgraded. TC James, Lyn, Nash Twinny On 28 Mar 2010, at 12:04, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: I just ordered an IPhone 3gs and what decided me finally was hearing a podcast about android accessibility on the Blindcooltech feed. The two big advantages the IPhone 3gs has over Android and this is as of March 27, 2010 are that both email and browsing are accessible. Those two parts of Android still aren't accessible. What blind people will get that buy Android is the same accessibility that was available on the LG3600 phone when that became available. But that's why me and verizon parted company all those years ago and I'm still happy that split happened!On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt ?my other mail provider is an owl? Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Using it on the go I mean, while I?m walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don?t think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro?s and cons. Yeah I?ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It?s a number of different things that I?m hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I?m guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and ATT, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to ATT
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simplest of answers, smile cause one may be needed now rather than three months later? On 2010-03-28, at 7:04 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: I just ordered an IPhone 3gs and what decided me finally was hearing a podcast about android accessibility on the Blindcooltech feed. The two big advantages the IPhone 3gs has over Android and this is as of March 27, 2010 are that both email and browsing are accessible. Those two parts of Android still aren't accessible. What blind people will get that buy Android is the same accessibility that was available on the LG3600 phone when that became available. But that's why me and verizon parted company all those years ago and I'm still happy that split happened!On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt ?my other mail provider is an owl? Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Using it on the go I mean, while I?m walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don?t think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro?s and cons. Yeah I?ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It?s a number of different things that I?m hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I?m guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and ATT, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to ATT and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with the actual purchase
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Yes, this is all just opinions. We have no facts to go on yet. Sign, Joe Plummer ( JP ) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 1:34 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility No one can possibly know without having inside information, whether or not APple will have a new version out in the next few months. There is a lot of speculation, but Apple tends to keep things so quiet, that no one knows for sure. On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:50 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Ricardo Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? Has the IPhone ben completely overhauled in v. 4.0? I was under the impression that the model was the same, and that it was only the software that is being upgraded. TC James, Lyn, Nash Twinny On 28 Mar 2010, at 12:04, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: I just ordered an IPhone 3gs and what decided me finally was hearing a podcast about android accessibility on the Blindcooltech feed. The two big advantages the IPhone 3gs has over Android and this is as of March 27, 2010 are that both email and browsing are accessible. Those two parts of Android still aren't accessible. What blind people will get that buy Android is the same accessibility that was available on the LG3600 phone when that became available. But that's why me and verizon parted company all those years ago and I'm still happy that split happened!On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt ?my other mail provider is an owl? Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Using it on the go I mean, while I?m walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don?t think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro?s and cons. Yeah I?ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It?s a number of different things that I?m hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I?m guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted
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Hi, I agree. No one really knows but, there has been 3 iPhones and they have all been released around the same time. Apple refreshes there line up of computers around the same time. And finally, Apple releases the next generations of iPods around the same time every year. I hardly think someone who says a new iPhone might be coming out in early summer would be going out on a lim. On Mar 28, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote: No one can possibly know without having inside information, whether or not APple will have a new version out in the next few months. There is a lot of speculation, but Apple tends to keep things so quiet, that no one knows for sure. On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:50 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Ricardo Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? Has the IPhone ben completely overhauled in v. 4.0? I was under the impression that the model was the same, and that it was only the software that is being upgraded. TC James, Lyn, Nash Twinny On 28 Mar 2010, at 12:04, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: I just ordered an IPhone 3gs and what decided me finally was hearing a podcast about android accessibility on the Blindcooltech feed. The two big advantages the IPhone 3gs has over Android and this is as of March 27, 2010 are that both email and browsing are accessible. Those two parts of Android still aren't accessible. What blind people will get that buy Android is the same accessibility that was available on the LG3600 phone when that became available. But that's why me and verizon parted company all those years ago and I'm still happy that split happened!On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt ?my other mail provider is an owl? Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Using it on the go I mean, while I?m walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don?t think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro?s and cons. Yeah I?ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It?s a number of different things that I?m hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I?m guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone
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Most of the rumor sites are expecting that there will be some physical and tech changes. The form factor is expected to change a little. So far, all of the models have used an almost identical shell. Personally, I'm hoping that Apple takes this opportunity to improve the internal battery. I'm sure that at least the 3GS will be able to use the new iPhone 4 OS. It's just that there will probably be a feature or two only available with the new hardware. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:05 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility This is my point exactly. Know one knows. lol. I wouldn't be shocked if they did make some changes to the hardware. They usually do. Changes to the hardware. like, Faster processor, more storage memory( which is almost a given), better camera, maybe a flash. We all know what the 3GS is all about and well I just don't see the point in buying something that will be eclipsed in 4 months at the most. On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:50 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Ricardo Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? Has the IPhone ben completely overhauled in v. 4.0? I was under the impression that the model was the same, and that it was only the software that is being upgraded. TC James, Lyn, Nash Twinny On 28 Mar 2010, at 12:04, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: I just ordered an IPhone 3gs and what decided me finally was hearing a podcast about android accessibility on the Blindcooltech feed. The two big advantages the IPhone 3gs has over Android and this is as of March 27, 2010 are that both email and browsing are accessible. Those two parts of Android still aren't accessible. What blind people will get that buy Android is the same accessibility that was available on the LG3600 phone when that became available. But that's why me and verizon parted company all those years ago and I'm still happy that split happened!On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt ?my other mail provider is an owl? Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Using it on the go I mean, while I?m walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don?t think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro?s and cons. Yeah I?ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It?s a number of different things that I?m hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I?m guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I
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Rumours are that there will be a 64gig version, and the camera will go up to 5 megapicsal as well as multitasking with applications, and agan rumours of faster processor. But these are unconfirmed rumours. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Monday, 29 March 2010 2:05 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility This is my point exactly. Know one knows. lol. I wouldn't be shocked if they did make some changes to the hardware. They usually do. Changes to the hardware. like, Faster processor, more storage memory( which is almost a given), better camera, maybe a flash. We all know what the 3GS is all about and well I just don't see the point in buying something that will be eclipsed in 4 months at the most. On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:50 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Ricardo Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? Has the IPhone ben completely overhauled in v. 4.0? I was under the impression that the model was the same, and that it was only the software that is being upgraded. TC James, Lyn, Nash Twinny On 28 Mar 2010, at 12:04, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, Why get an iPhone now when a new one will become in out in like 3 months? On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: I just ordered an IPhone 3gs and what decided me finally was hearing a podcast about android accessibility on the Blindcooltech feed. The two big advantages the IPhone 3gs has over Android and this is as of March 27, 2010 are that both email and browsing are accessible. Those two parts of Android still aren't accessible. What blind people will get that buy Android is the same accessibility that was available on the LG3600 phone when that became available. But that's why me and verizon parted company all those years ago and I'm still happy that split happened!On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt ?my other mail provider is an owl? Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Using it on the go I mean, while I?m walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don?t think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro?s and cons. Yeah I?ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It?s a number of different things that I?m hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I?m guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you
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I just ordered an IPhone 3gs and what decided me finally was hearing a podcast about android accessibility on the Blindcooltech feed. The two big advantages the IPhone 3gs has over Android and this is as of March 27, 2010 are that both email and browsing are accessible. Those two parts of Android still aren't accessible. What blind people will get that buy Android is the same accessibility that was available on the LG3600 phone when that became available. But that's why me and verizon parted company all those years ago and I'm still happy that split happened!On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt ?my other mail provider is an owl? Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Using it on the go I mean, while I?m walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don?t think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro?s and cons. Yeah I?ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It?s a number of different things that I?m hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I?m guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and ATT, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to ATT and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from Code Factory I then would have to deal with ATT's office of national disability concerns which is a completely separate operation from ATT. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the advantages to each. Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter
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Hi: Yes I had he same experience. Now I only type with the phone in portrait mode. I find the landscape mode slows me down considerably. Cheers, Kamal At 05:13 PM 19/07/2009, you wrote: On Jul 19, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Tasha Raella Chemel wrote: Just curious -- have people tried using the option that allows you to use a wider keyboard? i'm assuming that this would be easier since the virtual keys would be bigger. Early on, the wider landscape keyboard was what I found to be easier. As you become comfortable with the touch screen, you'll find that the additional size actually slows you down, as you have more realestate to cover to get from key to key. The smaller portrait keyboard is what I've managed to become very proficient on, ultimately. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourthttp://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.comhttp://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.comhttp://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.comhttp://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourthttp://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hi, Late to reply, but I'm a low vision RP user of the iPHone, but I run it with the screen off to save power. So, I'm low vision, but there's absolutely no screen to see and I think it's the best device I've ever not seen. So, I think your assumption is misplaced. I was in the You've got to be kidding about a touch screen device camp before I actually tried it, so try it yourself if you can for a couple hours and decide for yourself. .. --Scott Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. -- --Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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You're saying I can click the home button three times and get VO running on the iPhone and that it works in a beta version now? CB Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, 3.2.1 or something has a tripple tap of the home button to launch it. Though this is in beta it was posted here a while back. Regards, Alex, On 19-Jul-09, at 4:36 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: James, It's a fair point about not being able to run voiceover on the iPhone unaided without access to iTunes. What I'd like to see in an update is the ability to launch and disable VO with a voice command. I've emailed Apple about it and got a hopeful response. I'm guessing that seeing as the Nano's and Shuffle's need to be activated with iTunes Apple went for consistancy, either that or it or the idea didn't occur to them. You have to admit though that being able to activate it yourself even through iTunes is a lot closer to true out of the box accessibility than blundering your way through a Symbian time/date setup and an instalation of your prefered screen reader, or worse still, relying on Nokia's Voiceaid offering. Scott On 7/19/09, James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com wrote: I have not seen one yet, but I am going to spend some time with an Apple rep tomorrow. I agree, it is really nice to see a mainstream vender include a Screen Reader for no extra cost, but then the IPhone is considerably more expensive than other models but then you have to pay for Talks or Mobile Speak. The only thing I would disagree with is the view that the IPhone is accessible out of the box. From all that I've read and heard, we cannot turn VO on ourselves without access to ITunes - so if we do not have access to it immediately, then we cannot access the phone by ourselves. Perhaps this is a literal take on the phrase accessible out of the box, but then the phrase lends itself to that way of thinking. Take care - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Will said: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does Real world says: apart from out of the box accessibility to the entire User interface, a far broader scope for additional apps, and a UI that can only increase a VI user's often lacking knowledge of all things layout. There's so many pro's and cons to each device for each user. If Symbian and actual buttons will always float your boat more then fair enough, use it and prosper, it's here to stay for a while yet. But Dismissing one of the few big accessibility efforts made by a mainstream vender as the same old same old with a gimicky new touch screen thing before you've even had experience with it is an attitude that will ensure we're always slightly behind the trend with technology, so well done you. Slightly ranty perhaps, but I hope you see my point. And in case I get labeled an iPhone fanatic, I don't own one. I've tinkered and mostly enjoyed the experience, seemed to me that any barriers I felt like I was facing with the device were entirely due to my lack of experience with an interface where I'm closer to being even with any sighted user than I've ever been before. On 7/19/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than
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There are a number of SSH terminals for the iPhone but I don't know how accessible they are. With that you could ssh to your host and vi or emacs to your heart's content. CB Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: sounds like you know more about it than i do. I do have hopes of traveling to italy and portugal in the next year but don't know if it will happen. Have a big sale pending that will have to come through soon to pull it off. I'm not so much worried about the phone side of it. I just want to know if I can access the internet without needing a second income. lol I also need to find out if I can edit my website from it when necesary. I imagine it has text edit like my mac book does, but does anyone know if there is even an ftp client for the iphone? Well, I guess I'll have to get into the local apple store and see how i feel about it. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Victor Tsaran wrote: Max, Keep in mind that Apple/ATT gang lock you into a monthly data plan. But this is OK since you are not buying IPhone just to call your grandma; for that there are other phones on the market. The only bummer, and correct me if I am wrong, is that you cannot swap sim cards if you are traveling abroad. V On 7/18/2009 9:32 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: Games? i'm glad to hear of everyone's success. Since my falling out with sprint over their converting my unlimited data plan to a soft cap and then cancelling me all together, I've been looking for my next mobile internet solution. I was thinking the iphone might just do it. On the 32 gb model how much free space do you have? What kind of data plans do they offer? Could you see me being able to maintain a website over it in a pinch? I'm not traveling as much as i used to, but there are still those days when a new listing comes in or an important email has to sit in my inbox for not having mobile internet any more. I may have to subscribe to the iphone list as Im really starting to get excited by the idea. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: I use email, fring for IM, safari, weather app, clock, calendar, notes, fun apps such as the role playing games. Typing is down to personal preference iIMO. but I'm typing just fine, and enjoying it. On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. :) On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi, Aparently, though I don't have an iPhone or the information at my fingertips, since I am not a seeding developer at Apple. The information was strictly from a post posted on-list. Regards, Alex, Regards, Alex, On 23-Jul-09, at 11:52 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You're saying I can click the home button three times and get VO running on the iPhone and that it works in a beta version now? CB Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, 3.2.1 or something has a tripple tap of the home button to launch it. Though this is in beta it was posted here a while back. Regards, Alex, On 19-Jul-09, at 4:36 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: James, It's a fair point about not being able to run voiceover on the iPhone unaided without access to iTunes. What I'd like to see in an update is the ability to launch and disable VO with a voice command. I've emailed Apple about it and got a hopeful response. I'm guessing that seeing as the Nano's and Shuffle's need to be activated with iTunes Apple went for consistancy, either that or it or the idea didn't occur to them. You have to admit though that being able to activate it yourself even through iTunes is a lot closer to true out of the box accessibility than blundering your way through a Symbian time/date setup and an instalation of your prefered screen reader, or worse still, relying on Nokia's Voiceaid offering. Scott On 7/19/09, James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com wrote: I have not seen one yet, but I am going to spend some time with an Apple rep tomorrow. I agree, it is really nice to see a mainstream vender include a Screen Reader for no extra cost, but then the IPhone is considerably more expensive than other models but then you have to pay for Talks or Mobile Speak. The only thing I would disagree with is the view that the IPhone is accessible out of the box. From all that I've read and heard, we cannot turn VO on ourselves without access to ITunes - so if we do not have access to it immediately, then we cannot access the phone by ourselves. Perhaps this is a literal take on the phrase accessible out of the box, but then the phrase lends itself to that way of thinking. Take care - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Will said: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does Real world says: apart from out of the box accessibility to the entire User interface, a far broader scope for additional apps, and a UI that can only increase a VI user's often lacking knowledge of all things layout. There's so many pro's and cons to each device for each user. If Symbian and actual buttons will always float your boat more then fair enough, use it and prosper, it's here to stay for a while yet. But Dismissing one of the few big accessibility efforts made by a mainstream vender as the same old same old with a gimicky new touch screen thing before you've even had experience with it is an attitude that will ensure we're always slightly behind the trend with technology, so well done you. Slightly ranty perhaps, but I hope you see my point. And in case I get labeled an iPhone fanatic, I don't own one. I've tinkered and mostly enjoyed the experience, seemed to me that any barriers I felt like I was facing with the device were entirely due to my lack of experience with an interface where I'm closer to being even with any sighted user than I've ever been before. On 7/19/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding
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Using it on the go I mean, while I'm walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don't think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro's and cons. Yeah I've got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It's a number of different things that I'm hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I'm guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and ATT, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to ATT and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from Code Factory I then would have to deal with ATT's office of national disability concerns which is a completely separate operation from ATT. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the advantages to each. Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your final conclusion, it will be a good one. Take good care. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than
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It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Using it on the go I mean, while I’m walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don’t think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro’s and cons. Yeah I’ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It’s a number of different things that I’m hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I’m guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and ATT, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to ATT and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from Code Factory I then would have to deal with ATT's office of national disability concerns which is a completely separate operation from ATT. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the advantages to each. Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your final conclusion, it will be a good one. Take good care. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one
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So does a new message come first or do you have to scroll down to find it. I don't mind the nokia texting method but I'm always open to change. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:39 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I will refrain from answering the question pertaining to battery life because that is a variable thing depending upon usage. I will leave that to others (smile). However, in regard to messaging one of the things I like about the iphone as opposed to my Nokia is that I can follow the thread of a message all at once rather than open multiple messages to keep track of a message. That in my opinion is a nice feature. So, If I wanted milk, bread, and gatorade I can track the whole back and forth texting about the shopping trip to narrow down why mash potatoes came threw the door when I did not know they were coming ... LOL. I know that has never happened to anyone ... LOL On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks peggy, I'm now wondering what sort of battery life people get from the IPhone when using Voice over!? How much more of a strain on the devices battery does vo put? also, no one has said anything about using text / sms messaging on the device either. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 8:37 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hi: I'm totally blind and use the Iphone 3gs. I use the mail, the phone, the notes and the voice recorder. I love the Ipod and reading books from audible and playing games when sitting around for a few minutes. I find it easier to use twitter and facebook with my phone than with my computer. I even store my favorite recipes on my phone. Today I went into a store to shop for a purse. I found one I liked but didn't like the price so I typed the name of the purse in the notes on my phone and came home to find it at a better price on line. I also accessed my grocery list I had stored on the phone. My newspaper is also accessed from my phone. wonderful device and not just for the partially sighted. Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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simon i'd just go and try one if i were you as reading about it mate isn't going to let you see it, smile On 20 Jul 2009, at 10:15, Simon Fogarty wrote: So does a new message come first or do you have to scroll down to find it. I don’t mind the nokia texting method but I’m always open to change. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:39 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I will refrain from answering the question pertaining to battery life because that is a variable thing depending upon usage. I will leave that to others (smile). However, in regard to messaging one of the things I like about the iphone as opposed to my Nokia is that I can follow the thread of a message all at once rather than open multiple messages to keep track of a message. That in my opinion is a nice feature. So, If I wanted milk, bread, and gatorade I can track the whole back and forth texting about the shopping trip to narrow down why mash potatoes came threw the door when I did not know they were coming ... LOL. I know that has never happened to anyone ... LOL On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks peggy, I'm now wondering what sort of battery life people get from the IPhone when using Voice over!? How much more of a strain on the devices battery does vo put? also, no one has said anything about using text / sms messaging on the device either. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 8:37 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hi: I'm totally blind and use the Iphone 3gs. I use the mail, the phone, the notes and the voice recorder. I love the Ipod and reading books from audible and playing games when sitting around for a few minutes. I find it easier to use twitter and facebook with my phone than with my computer. I even store my favorite recipes on my phone. Today I went into a store to shop for a purse. I found one I liked but didn't like the price so I typed the name of the purse in the notes on my phone and came home to find it at a better price on line. I also accessed my grocery list I had stored on the phone. My newspaper is also accessed from my phone. wonderful device and not just for the partially sighted. Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
but most people are not using the power of the n eighty two as a phone, just a reader, what's the point in that? the n eighty two is a far more powerful device as a phone in my view On 19 Jul 2009, at 00:18, Dean Wilcox wrote: This isn't meant to put you off, only the thoughts i've been thinking when wanting an iPhone. What will KNFB Reader users replace the Reader with when moving to the iPhone. I hear there is an app out there for £8 or something (maybe 10 dollas or so) but doesn't that return the results via Email? You may aneed to carry your N82 around with the reader on it anyway so maybe it could be worth holding off or you could end up with two devices that are similar in functionality and needing both. At 00:12 19/07/2009, you wrote: Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I could use one for a week before actually purchasing it -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon, I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the iPhone in both French and English. I hope this reassures you a bit. Cheers, Anne No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release Date: 07/15/09 06:07:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
Thanks peggy, I'm now wondering what sort of battery life people get from the IPhone when using Voice over!? How much more of a strain on the devices battery does vo put? also, no one has said anything about using text / sms messaging on the device either. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 8:37 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hi: I'm totally blind and use the Iphone 3gs. I use the mail, the phone, the notes and the voice recorder. I love the Ipod and reading books from audible and playing games when sitting around for a few minutes. I find it easier to use twitter and facebook with my phone than with my computer. I even store my favorite recipes on my phone. Today I went into a store to shop for a purse. I found one I liked but didn't like the price so I typed the name of the purse in the notes on my phone and came home to find it at a better price on line. I also accessed my grocery list I had stored on the phone. My newspaper is also accessed from my phone. wonderful device and not just for the partially sighted. Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and ATT, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to ATT and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from Code Factory I then would have to deal with ATT's office of national disability concerns which is a completely separate operation from ATT. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the advantages to each. Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your final conclusion, it will be a good one. Take good care. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Simon and all: I will refrain from answering the question pertaining to battery life because that is a variable thing depending upon usage. I will leave that to others (smile). However, in regard to messaging one of the things I like about the iphone as opposed to my Nokia is that I can follow the thread of a message all at once rather than open multiple messages to keep track of a message. That in my opinion is a nice feature. So, If I wanted milk, bread, and gatorade I can track the whole back and forth texting about the shopping trip to narrow down why mash potatoes came threw the door when I did not know they were coming ... LOL. I know that has never happened to anyone ... LOL On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks peggy, I'm now wondering what sort of battery life people get from the IPhone when using Voice over!? How much more of a strain on the devices battery does vo put? also, no one has said anything about using text / sms messaging on the device either. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 8:37 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hi: I'm totally blind and use the Iphone 3gs. I use the mail, the phone, the notes and the voice recorder. I love the Ipod and reading books from audible and playing games when sitting around for a few minutes. I find it easier to use twitter and facebook with my phone than with my computer. I even store my favorite recipes on my phone. Today I went into a store to shop for a purse. I found one I liked but didn't like the price so I typed the name of the purse in the notes on my phone and came home to find it at a better price on line. I also accessed my grocery list I had stored on the phone. My newspaper is also accessed from my phone. wonderful device and not just for the partially sighted. Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Will said: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does Real world says: apart from out of the box accessibility to the entire User interface, a far broader scope for additional apps, and a UI that can only increase a VI user's often lacking knowledge of all things layout. There's so many pro's and cons to each device for each user. If Symbian and actual buttons will always float your boat more then fair enough, use it and prosper, it's here to stay for a while yet. But Dismissing one of the few big accessibility efforts made by a mainstream vender as the same old same old with a gimicky new touch screen thing before you've even had experience with it is an attitude that will ensure we're always slightly behind the trend with technology, so well done you. Slightly ranty perhaps, but I hope you see my point. And in case I get labeled an iPhone fanatic, I don't own one. I've tinkered and mostly enjoyed the experience, seemed to me that any barriers I felt like I was facing with the device were entirely due to my lack of experience with an interface where I'm closer to being even with any sighted user than I've ever been before. On 7/19/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I have not seen one yet, but I am going to spend some time with an Apple rep tomorrow. I agree, it is really nice to see a mainstream vender include a Screen Reader for no extra cost, but then the IPhone is considerably more expensive than other models but then you have to pay for Talks or Mobile Speak. The only thing I would disagree with is the view that the IPhone is accessible out of the box. From all that I've read and heard, we cannot turn VO on ourselves without access to ITunes - so if we do not have access to it immediately, then we cannot access the phone by ourselves. Perhaps this is a literal take on the phrase accessible out of the box, but then the phrase lends itself to that way of thinking. Take care - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Will said: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does Real world says: apart from out of the box accessibility to the entire User interface, a far broader scope for additional apps, and a UI that can only increase a VI user's often lacking knowledge of all things layout. There's so many pro's and cons to each device for each user. If Symbian and actual buttons will always float your boat more then fair enough, use it and prosper, it's here to stay for a while yet. But Dismissing one of the few big accessibility efforts made by a mainstream vender as the same old same old with a gimicky new touch screen thing before you've even had experience with it is an attitude that will ensure we're always slightly behind the trend with technology, so well done you. Slightly ranty perhaps, but I hope you see my point. And in case I get labeled an iPhone fanatic, I don't own one. I've tinkered and mostly enjoyed the experience, seemed to me that any barriers I felt like I was facing with the device were entirely due to my lack of experience with an interface where I'm closer to being even with any sighted user than I've ever been before. On 7/19/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi Simon, Good call man, If you are getting everything that you need, and practicality rears it's ugly head, keep on using this one you have til it stops doing what you need then put the iphone in the stable of possibles for future consideration. Saves a load of coin, and you can squeaz every ounce of money you put in to this device out of it before it retires. Accessability of iphone isn't going away, so it will be there still when you find it convenient to acquire new product. On 19-Jul-09, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi, Being able to play with my cousin's iPhone, I am totally blind and was able to do most everything. Still learning how to type on it and I don't have the ability to use it every time but every time I do type on it I notice a bit of a speed increase. So yes, while it may be easier for a VI person to learn it, blind people can do everything else they can do with practice. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Not with the symbian phones. You still have to buy another license. May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: Scott Howell To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 4:35 AM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Just want to set the record straight. Not that I care about Mobile SPeak, but you no longer have to pay a transfer fee. You can move the license from one phone to another via the setup program. On Jul 19, 2009, at 6:33 AM, patrickneazer wrote: Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and ATT, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to ATT and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from Code Factory I then would have to deal with ATT's office of national disability concerns which is a completely separate operation from ATT. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the advantages to each. Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your final conclusion, it will be a good one. Take good care. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. Take good
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Ok, well final word on this since it really is not Apple related, but thanks for the clarification. I can't tell you what version I'm running, since upgrading isn't necessary at this point, but at long as you have the proper version you won't have to pay, but if not, get ready to shell out more money to add to what you already spent initially. On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:40 AM, patrickneazer wrote: Hello Scott and all: You are correct Scott as long as you are moving from a version 3.xx license to a version 3.xx license. If however you are moving from a 2.xx license to a 3.xx license then there is a fee. There are still a number of 2.xx licenses in the field and you do have to pay. On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Just want to set the record straight. Not that I care about Mobile SPeak, but you no longer have to pay a transfer fee. You can move the license from one phone to another via the setup program. On Jul 19, 2009, at 6:33 AM, patrickneazer wrote: Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and ATT, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to ATT and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from Code Factory I then would have to deal with ATT's office of national disability concerns which is a completely separate operation from ATT. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the advantages to each. Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your final conclusion, it will be a good one. Take good care. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage
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Hi Will, On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:39 AM, william lomas wrote: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does The iPhone has over 60,000 applications available for it, and I can guarantee you the N82 does not, and what apps it does have probably aren't accessible most of the time. Users needs will vary, but to say that the N82 does what the iPHone does is just simply untrue, just like your complaints about moving between apps was untrue in the context that you presented it. I'm guessing that you're repeating what you've heard from folks like Mr. Mosan, and as I have suggested to him, I suggest you try to educate yourself and avoid inadvertently perpetuating false info. :) Is the iPhone right for everyone? Nope. Neither is the N82 right for everyone. I only wish folks would actually try to know what they are talking about before making blanket statements. The NFB/AFB, and others, have been perpetuating false info about the Mac platform, and I'd hate to see the Mac community start doing it about the iPhone or anything else. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Indeed, like with anything else, if it works for you and your are satisfied, even the most basic cell phone can do the job. To each his or hers own. I know sighted folks who still use basic cell phones because they were free or nearly free as part of their contract with their cell provider. With that said, dismissing the iPhone off as just a new device everyone is jumping on simply because it is new is an absolutely ridiculous and short-sighted statement, especially if you haven't even held or tried one before. Imagine if we held that attitude about every assistive technology advance? If you've tried an iPhone or have read enough about it to find yourself believing it's not the device for you or you don't feel you will get enough more out of it to make it worth the expense, that is one thing. The iPhone is not going to be for everyone and everyone is not necessarily made for the iPhone. This is, as said, the first mainstream company that has included accessibility as part of the device, and the hardware is more powerful than what else is out there. Then, of course, there are the tons of applications that enhance the device's use. The interface is, if one gets beyond the fear of a touch screen, quite smooth and easy enough for even someone like me to utilize. Still, each person's needs define what they will comfortably use, and, therefor, the iPhone surely might not be their solution. I bought an iPhone because I needed a cell phone. I had been using my previous for four years and I wanted something new. It was timely that the iPhone came out when it did, as I was looking at Mobile Speak and other options. To be honest, the cost of the iPhone was far less than everything I had seen because I didn't have to buy an additional screen reader. You can buy an 8 GB mode for $99 in the states, which is certainly not an expensive proposition compared to many other options. I bought the 16 GB version, which, still, is not really all that expensive compared to other Smart Phone choices. In the end, even including Apple Care, I paid less for my iPhone than I did for my Nokia and Talks almost four years ago. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:11 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Will said: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does Real world says: apart from out of the box accessibility to the entire User interface, a far broader scope for additional apps, and a UI that can only increase a VI user's often lacking knowledge of all things layout. There's so many pro's and cons to each device for each user. If Symbian and actual buttons will always float your boat more then fair enough, use it and prosper, it's here to stay for a while yet. But Dismissing one of the few big accessibility efforts made by a mainstream vender as the same old same old with a gimicky new touch screen thing before you've even had experience with it is an attitude that will ensure we're always slightly behind the trend with technology, so well done you. Slightly ranty perhaps, but I hope you see my point. And in case I get labeled an iPhone fanatic, I don't own one. I've tinkered and mostly enjoyed the experience, seemed to me that any barriers I felt like I was facing with the device were entirely due to my lack of experience with an interface where I'm closer to being even with any sighted user than I've ever been before. On 7/19/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how
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For anyone it may help, I want to share my experience on the typing aspect of the IPhone which have gotten really good over a short time. At first you have to trust what dozens of others have said although it won't seem like your experience at the time. Hang in there though because it gets really easy to do and I am talking about the typeing too! My fingers just really amazingly remember where the letters are and can pretty much strike the one I want just from muscle memory with about 95% accuracy I would guess. That is after roughly about 7 hours of any real typing on it. If you do not land on the right one, it does help a lot if you know the qwerty keyboard really well and what is on what row. Because if what you hear happens to be a row down or up, just move and then over. You won't be far off though after not much time of practice when you do miss it by any. For other things you really remember where they are too. Jim On 7/18/09, Kelly Ford ke...@kellford.com wrote: Although it isn't the same as trying it for a week, it is my understanding you have 30 days to cancel the contract and return the iPhone. At least that's what I was told when I asked at an Apple store. I've used one for about an hour in two separate sessions, once in a store and once using a friend's phone. Within that time basic navigation became quite easy. I actually had that down in the first session. I borrowed a friend's phone to try typing again. I got faster in those 30 minutes but at least to me it will take a bit of practice to get as fast as I amon my Windows Mobile phone. That's in no way a criticism of the iPhone. I'm interested enough to probably go do the 30 day deal. The touch aspects of the phone access are compelling to me, assuming the typing can become equivalent. -Original Message- From: Simon Fogarty [mailto:si...@blinky-net.com] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I could use one for a week before actually purchasing it -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon, I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the iPhone in both French and English. I hope this reassures you a bit. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Just curious -- have people tried using the option that allows you to use a wider keyboard? i'm assuming that this would be easier since the virtual keys would be bigger. - Original Message - From: James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility For anyone it may help, I want to share my experience on the typing aspect of the IPhone which have gotten really good over a short time. At first you have to trust what dozens of others have said although it won't seem like your experience at the time. Hang in there though because it gets really easy to do and I am talking about the typeing too! My fingers just really amazingly remember where the letters are and can pretty much strike the one I want just from muscle memory with about 95% accuracy I would guess. That is after roughly about 7 hours of any real typing on it. If you do not land on the right one, it does help a lot if you know the qwerty keyboard really well and what is on what row. Because if what you hear happens to be a row down or up, just move and then over. You won't be far off though after not much time of practice when you do miss it by any. For other things you really remember where they are too. Jim On 7/18/09, Kelly Ford ke...@kellford.com wrote: Although it isn't the same as trying it for a week, it is my understanding you have 30 days to cancel the contract and return the iPhone. At least that's what I was told when I asked at an Apple store. I've used one for about an hour in two separate sessions, once in a store and once using a friend's phone. Within that time basic navigation became quite easy. I actually had that down in the first session. I borrowed a friend's phone to try typing again. I got faster in those 30 minutes but at least to me it will take a bit of practice to get as fast as I amon my Windows Mobile phone. That's in no way a criticism of the iPhone. I'm interested enough to probably go do the 30 day deal. The touch aspects of the phone access are compelling to me, assuming the typing can become equivalent. -Original Message- From: Simon Fogarty [mailto:si...@blinky-net.com] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I could use one for a week before actually purchasing it -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon, I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the iPhone in both French and English. I hope this reassures you a bit. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I have tried but ik like the regular keyboard bettery Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Tasha Raella Chemel tashieg...@rcn.com wrote: Just curious -- have people tried using the option that allows you to use a wider keyboard? i'm assuming that this would be easier since the virtual keys would be bigger. - Original Message - From: James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility For anyone it may help, I want to share my experience on the typing aspect of the IPhone which have gotten really good over a short time. At first you have to trust what dozens of others have said although it won't seem like your experience at the time. Hang in there though because it gets really easy to do and I am talking about the typeing too! My fingers just really amazingly remember where the letters are and can pretty much strike the one I want just from muscle memory with about 95% accuracy I would guess. That is after roughly about 7 hours of any real typing on it. If you do not land on the right one, it does help a lot if you know the qwerty keyboard really well and what is on what row. Because if what you hear happens to be a row down or up, just move and then over. You won't be far off though after not much time of practice when you do miss it by any. For other things you really remember where they are too. Jim On 7/18/09, Kelly Ford ke...@kellford.com wrote: Although it isn't the same as trying it for a week, it is my understanding you have 30 days to cancel the contract and return the iPhone. At least that's what I was told when I asked at an Apple store. I've used one for about an hour in two separate sessions, once in a store and once using a friend's phone. Within that time basic navigation became quite easy. I actually had that down in the first session. I borrowed a friend's phone to try typing again. I got faster in those 30 minutes but at least to me it will take a bit of practice to get as fast as I amon my Windows Mobile phone. That's in no way a criticism of the iPhone. I'm interested enough to probably go do the 30 day deal. The touch aspects of the phone access are compelling to me, assuming the typing can become equivalent. -Original Message- From: Simon Fogarty [mailto:si...@blinky-net.com] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I could use one for a week before actually purchasing it -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon, I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the iPhone in both French and English. I hope this reassures you a bit. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
On Jul 19, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Tasha Raella Chemel wrote: Just curious -- have people tried using the option that allows you to use a wider keyboard? i'm assuming that this would be easier since the virtual keys would be bigger. Early on, the wider landscape keyboard was what I found to be easier. As you become comfortable with the touch screen, you'll find that the additional size actually slows you down, as you have more realestate to cover to get from key to key. The smaller portrait keyboard is what I've managed to become very proficient on, ultimately. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
simon which s sixty phone do you use? On 18 Jul 2009, at 12:10, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hello Simon, I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the iPhone in both French and English. I hope this reassures you a bit. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. :) On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Games? i'm glad to hear of everyone's success. Since my falling out with sprint over their converting my unlimited data plan to a soft cap and then cancelling me all together, I've been looking for my next mobile internet solution. I was thinking the iphone might just do it. On the 32 gb model how much free space do you have? What kind of data plans do they offer? Could you see me being able to maintain a website over it in a pinch? I'm not traveling as much as i used to, but there are still those days when a new listing comes in or an important email has to sit in my inbox for not having mobile internet any more. I may have to subscribe to the iphone list as Im really starting to get excited by the idea. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: I use email, fring for IM, safari, weather app, clock, calendar, notes, fun apps such as the role playing games. Typing is down to personal preference iIMO. but I'm typing just fine, and enjoying it. On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. :) On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I am totally blind and have no trouble using my iPhone. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Honest opinion? You can definitely use IPhone because everything you touch is spoken to you. So there is really no inherent reason why a totally blind person cannot use it. Whether it's efficient is a different question. I think this will depend on how good your spatial imagination is and how well you remember layouts. The biggest challenge for a blind person using IPhone, in my opinion, is being able to guess/predict the layout of the screen that you are on. I have already found that different applications will place things in different places, e.g. tabs, status messages etc. What I do like about IPhone is the design behind the home screen. For example, you can place your most important apps such as search, stocks, weather, news on the home screen and access this information with just a single click (well, a double tap, to be more precise). If Nokia made their widsets accessible, we would be in a much happier camp. But there are no signs of Nokia taking that direction any time soon, so Apple is probably your better bet (even if it will take another couple of IPhone software updates). In short, there is nothing better than trying IPhone yourself and seeing whether this is an interface for you. Believe me, you will think of your Nokia's straightforward navigation quite often when using IPhone. I will probably use my Nokia for quite a time because of the KNFB Reader and WaveFinder for which we do not yet have any equivalents on the IPhone. Best, Vic On 7/18/2009 9:59 AM, John Panarese wrote: I am totally blind and have no trouble using my iPhone. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I actually find that using IPhone's keyboard is easier for a blind person than for sighted guys. The reason is that sighted people have to look at the keys and, with their fingers covering every key they have to hit, it becomes a bit of an annoyance. Since we are used to the layout of the keyboard, we can type quite fast. Just my 33 cents. V On 7/18/2009 6:25 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. :) On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Max, Keep in mind that Apple/ATT gang lock you into a monthly data plan. But this is OK since you are not buying IPhone just to call your grandma; for that there are other phones on the market. The only bummer, and correct me if I am wrong, is that you cannot swap sim cards if you are traveling abroad. V On 7/18/2009 9:32 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: Games? i'm glad to hear of everyone's success. Since my falling out with sprint over their converting my unlimited data plan to a soft cap and then cancelling me all together, I've been looking for my next mobile internet solution. I was thinking the iphone might just do it. On the 32 gb model how much free space do you have? What kind of data plans do they offer? Could you see me being able to maintain a website over it in a pinch? I'm not traveling as much as i used to, but there are still those days when a new listing comes in or an important email has to sit in my inbox for not having mobile internet any more. I may have to subscribe to the iphone list as Im really starting to get excited by the idea. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: I use email, fring for IM, safari, weather app, clock, calendar, notes, fun apps such as the role playing games. Typing is down to personal preference iIMO. but I'm typing just fine, and enjoying it. On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. :) On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Patrick, On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:36 PM, patrickneazer wrote: I have a question. Does Navigon cover all of Europe and is there noise about when it is heading towards North America? It covers most of Europe apart from Russia and Ukraine, and it's supposed to be heading for North America, but I don't know when. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Anne: Thank you for your response. Another question if I may ... do you happen to know how many languages navagon takes advantage of and in your opinion how well do the languages function. Thank you again. On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Patrick, On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:36 PM, patrickneazer wrote: I have a question. Does Navigon cover all of Europe and is there noise about when it is heading towards North America? It covers most of Europe apart from Russia and Ukraine, and it's supposed to be heading for North America, but I don't know when. Cheers, Anne Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
That has been very informative. But I think the reason behind why Noia ahs not yet done anything like Apple is tht Apple caught them off guard when they released IPhone. Since then Nokia have been playing catch-up. - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honest opinion? You can definitely use IPhone because everything you touch is spoken to you. So there is really no inherent reason why a totally blind person cannot use it. Whether it's efficient is a different question. I think this will depend on how good your spatial imagination is and how well you remember layouts. The biggest challenge for a blind person using IPhone, in my opinion, is being able to guess/predict the layout of the screen that you are on. I have already found that different applications will place things in different places, e.g. tabs, status messages etc. What I do like about IPhone is the design behind the home screen. For example, you can place your most important apps such as search, stocks, weather, news on the home screen and access this information with just a single click (well, a double tap, to be more precise). If Nokia made their widsets accessible, we would be in a much happier camp. But there are no signs of Nokia taking that direction any time soon, so Apple is probably your better bet (even if it will take another couple of IPhone software updates). In short, there is nothing better than trying IPhone yourself and seeing whether this is an interface for you. Believe me, you will think of your Nokia's straightforward navigation quite often when using IPhone. I will probably use my Nokia for quite a time because of the KNFB Reader and WaveFinder for which we do not yet have any equivalents on the IPhone. Best, Vic On 7/18/2009 9:59 AM, John Panarese wrote: I am totally blind and have no trouble using my iPhone. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi: I'm totally blind and use the Iphone 3gs. I use the mail, the phone, the notes and the voice recorder. I love the Ipod and reading books from audible and playing games when sitting around for a few minutes. I find it easier to use twitter and facebook with my phone than with my computer. I even store my favorite recipes on my phone. Today I went into a store to shop for a purse. I found one I liked but didn't like the price so I typed the name of the purse in the notes on my phone and came home to find it at a better price on line. I also accessed my grocery list I had stored on the phone. My newspaper is also accessed from my phone. wonderful device and not just for the partially sighted. Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Patrick, On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:44 PM, patrickneazer wrote: Another question if I may ... do you happen to know how many languages navagon takes advantage of and in your opinion how well do the languages function. Navigon is available in the languages of the iPhone and also, according to the Website, Portuguese, Czech, Polish, Turkish, Romanian, Slovakian, Greek and Russian (I think most of these are in fact available on the iPhone. I know it works well in both French and English. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I could use one for a week before actually purchasing it -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon, I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the iPhone in both French and English. I hope this reassures you a bit. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
But will it allow you to do everything. Sms mms, email, documents surfing the webb. And the other features that the device has. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:58 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I am a totally blind user and use the iphone quite a bit for work and play. It truly offers accessibility out of the box and it offers accessibility to a wide variety of apps. I will not rave on and on about it lest be considered an iphone enthusiast (wink). Let me just say if you were wondering if a totally blind person can use it both efficiently and effectively the answer is yes. Go get one, use it for a little while and see how you get on. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Anne and all: Thank you so much for your responses. You have done it again (smile). Take good care. On Jul 18, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Patrick, On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:44 PM, patrickneazer wrote: Another question if I may ... do you happen to know how many languages navagon takes advantage of and in your opinion how well do the languages function. Navigon is available in the languages of the iPhone and also, according to the Website, Portuguese, Czech, Polish, Turkish, Romanian, Slovakian, Greek and Russian (I think most of these are in fact available on the iPhone. I know it works well in both French and English. Cheers, Anne Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I'm also a totally blind iPhone user. It works great, and is far more accessible and efficient than MobileSpeak with Windows Mobile, which I used previously. I recommend joining the VIPhone list at the below link if you want a really good idea of how access is for the totally blind. There are a lot of us using it. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 18, 2009, at 4:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Typing takes some getting used to on the iPHone, but it works very well once you get comfortable with it. I'm texting, Twittering, emailing, and all the rest just fine. My most used apps, as far as those which come with the phone, are, in no particular order: Text Messaging Calendar Email Contacts Phone Safari AppStore Clock Of course, I'm using dozens that don't come with the phone, which I obtained from the AppStore. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:25 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. :) On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Actually the link is: http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone lol not as intuitive as Josh's. Hth Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt overl...@lioncourt.com wrote: And go me! I forgot to include the link to the VIPhone list. Brilliant, I am. Here it is. http://googlegroups.com/group/viphone Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 18, 2009, at 4:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello; How dificult was it to set up the first time you used it? Were you able to transfer your existing address book folders and such? Glad to hear you like it. Take care, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Typing takes some getting used to on the iPHone, but it works very well once you get comfortable with it. I'm texting, Twittering, emailing, and all the rest just fine. My most used apps, as far as those which come with the phone, are, in no particular order: Text Messaging Calendar Email Contacts Phone Safari AppStore Clock Of course, I'm using dozens that don't come with the phone, which I obtained from the AppStore. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:25 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. :) On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Iphone accessibility? Maybe?
Matt, I saw an article titled Nike+, VoiceOver coming to iPhone 3.0? at ilounge a couple of days ago, but hesitated to pass this on in view of some previous drawn out discussions. I'll paste in the article, since the ilounge pages are not the easiest to navigate: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/nike-voiceover-coming-to-iphone-30/ begin excerpt News Nike+, VoiceOver coming to iPhone 3.0? By Charles Starrett Senior Editor, iLounge Published: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 News Category: iPhone Several text strings found in iTunes 8.2 suggest that the iPhone may be receiving the third-generation iPod shuffle’s and fourth- generation iPod nano’s spoken word navigation features as an optional control method, as well as Nike + support. AppleInsiderreports that the strings, found inside the iTunes application bundle, include a variety of alerts for Nike + iPhone integration—such as “Do you want to automatically send your workout info to nikeplus.com when you sync your iPhone?”—as well as a single string stating “VoiceOver changes the gestures used to control iPhone. Are you sure you want to continue?,” an addition to VoiceOver strings that the report says have been in the iTunes codebase since version 8.1. A handful of other strings seem to suggest the addition of radio tagging capabilities, although it is unclear whether these would be related to built-in radio functionality, a radio-tagging application, or some other external accessory. The strings appear to be similar to ones used by current docking iPod models for iTunes Tagging of HD Radio broadcasts picked up by external accessories. end excerpt Cheers, Esther On Jun 5, 2009, at 10:42 , Matthew Campbell wrote: Hi guys and gals. This link got me excited and hopefully it'll get you excited too. It came from my pc world dayly tech news. Enjoy! http://www.pcworld.com/article/166112/iphone_may_get_radio_tagging_and_nike.html?tk=nl_dnx_h_crawl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone accessibility, was Self voicing e-mail for iPhone
Good afternoon, I haven't heard of any plans for VO support in iPhone 3.0, due out later this year. It is possible that it hasn't leaked yet, but y best gues would be that it won't be until the next update to the iPhone platform. HTH, Everett Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 20-Apr-09, at 7:38 PM, Tasha Raella Chemel wrote: Hi Alex, DO you have any idea when the iphone will be accessible, or do you have contact info for the rep who gave you this information? I really want to know because I'm about to get a new phone, and I'd hate to buy something now only to find out that I could have gotten an iphone if I'd waited a bit longer. - Original Message - From: Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Self voicing e-mail for iPhone will these voices also be in english or will we have hte same voices in Leopard? know this may be a little late but kind of behind in e- mail so, sorry if this question has been brought up. On Apr 19, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, An Apple representative who by the sounds of stuff is also a developer told me that they are trying to make the IPhone accessible to VIPs. They also confirmed the new voices for Snow Leopard. Thanks, Alex, thanks, Alex, On 19-Apr-09, at 5:54 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: Good morning, I kow that the iPhone does not have a screen-reader, probably not even possible to develop unless you're Apple. But, has anyone heard of an e-mail application for the iPhone that using TTS to be self- voicing? Looking for a low vision friend. Thanks, Everett Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
