Posted also at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38214
Do you have questions about Nokia Web Runtime in Maemo? As announced in the
Maemo Summit, it's coming for Maemo 5 and the Maemo 6:
* Developing apps on Maemo with Nokia Web Runtime
Hi, it seems that more users than wished are still reaching the rootfs limit
only with the Nokia and Extras repos installed.
Most (all?) Apps in Extras seem to be correctly optified, so one possibility is
that the problem relies in the libraries.
Sorry if I have missed something but I remember
Please see original communications below. The subject is how can indiduals
without a business affiliation sell on Ovi?. Currently they are bing
rejected:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34661
Can we encourage a broadening of policy? Should we?
Answer before jumping to the plane
Warning: I'm planning to attack extras-testing wiki page tomorrow in order to
offer clearer information about quality criteria for developers and betatesters.
My humble contribution to the extras-testing marathon
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33164
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(This has been posted at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=343619 as well)
Now that we have hundreds of N900 testers it's a good time to settle on
something that we have discussed many time in the past: the big majority of
users should rely on the maemo.org Extras repository and the
Hi all,
i am missing something like packages.debian.org for repository.maemo.org
http://maemo.org/packages :)
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Hi, two great things happened today.
We released the Maemo 5 Final SDK
http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/maemo-5-final-sdk-released-go-extras/
We also opened http://maemo.gitorious.org
http://maemoteam.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/maemo-gitorious-org/
See also the related discussions at
On Wed, September 30, 2009 10:47, Andrew Flegg wrote:
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 05:25, quim@nokia.com wrote:
Given the speed around which the colour picker discussions settled
down, and the fact it will iterate quickly once actually being used in a
real world app, I can't imagine
No, you are right, it should not be hard to accept contributions to
libhildon.
I agree. Maybe I'm wrong but I think Hildon updates are possible in Fremantle.
As long as the new widgets make sense, the patches are good and they are well
tested by the community and don't introduce risks or
I agree. Maybe I'm wrong but I think Hildon updates are possible in
Fremantle. As long as the new widgets make sense, the patches are good and
they are well tested by the community and don't introduce risks or
regressions... Why not?
Because there's a perceived *risk* of risks
Hi,
I plan to create a proposal for the push n900[1] and I plan to use the
usb port. I have the following question.
When the device is in usb-host mode it should of course provide power does
it? Is it possible to charge the device while it's in usb-host mode?
The N900 comes without
Limiting it to a hack for a large app results in a question of when
is an app large: 1MB, 2MB, 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, ...? If we can have a
consensus on *that*, that could be something we have a QA check for?
Developers are encouraged to make good use of them, specially for applications
requiring
Hi, I'm away from computer but you can check the audio and slides of the
presentation plus some links at http://flors.wordpress.com
Quim
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From: ext Klaus Rotter kl...@rotters.de
Subject: Maemo will switch (completely?) to Qt?
Date: 5th July 2009
Time: 9:37:29 pm
Hi
Hi, I'm following the discussion but bare with me these days since I'm in the
Desktop Summit well away from the office and the people to ask about this are
very possibly on holidays until August (just like myself after the Summit).
If you think we are violating any license or doing something
If you could read the subject ;) then maybe you are target for this:
http://fruct.org/index.php?morus_itemid=65
This morning we met the organizers of the next FRUCT seminar and they told us
they would welcome Maemo developers willing to showcase their work and tell
about their experiences in
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_contribution_guidelines
This has gone through several rounds of feedback and it will be
considered official as is unless sensible major changes are proposed.
Feedback and precision are always welcome.
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Hi,
Am Donnerstag, 5. Juni 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Frederic Crozat wrote:
Remember that most people are not used to Nokia policy to embargo
any date (even estimate) regarding software (or hardware) release.
True. These people need to understand that Nokia is a company watched by
Hi,
I would like to work for Nokia @Nokia as a think-tank,
Your options are:
- Watch the job positions posted in maemo.org and apply in the ones that
interest you.
- Learn more about Nokia Careers at http://www.nokia.com/A4126297
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Thanks! Very useful already and hopefully it will be even better as we
do more Jar iterations.
Suggestions for improvement:
- Separate bugs and enhancement requests properly, since they have
different degrees of urgency, the level of responsibility on them is
different and in fact they follow
Thanks for the discussion and the many good ideas.
About silence, in fact a lot of it has not to do with confidentiality
but lack of priority (or too many top priorities in the hands of us able
to respond). What about a short term plan with common objectives:
- Raise in a structured way the
Hi,
So please tell me how maemo won status of legal entity under Google
terms
and provided Google with tax statement as an organization ?
We din't provide any tax information and this was not an obstacle to get
approved (but I understand this is not the rule). Because we didn't
provide that
Hi,
Is there anything you can do a little less silently? Such as
comment (or even *hint*) as to what the delay *is*?
Now we can comment that there is an OS2008 beta for the N800 targetting
basically you, the developers:
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html . It
is
Alright, so we seem to agree in the general concepts. Let's go into details.
The question is not the quality of the Quality awareness document
which likely could be improved. The question is, if such a
document is the right way to control quality?
Alright, what about leaving the role of this
Nokia has released the beta version of the maemo 4.0 SDK
http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_beta_sdk.html ,
codenamed Chinook (shortcut
http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/unstable/chinook-beta/ for the
impatient). Developers are encouraged to port their applications from
maemo 3.x Bora
Hi, the non-770 exclusive bugs will stay in bugzilla. I believe some of
the bugs were copied to Garage because they had an IT OS 2006 flag or
something.
No big deal. Justice will be done for each bug in the right bugtracker.
Quim
There seems to be an effort to comb through Bugzilla (always a
Hi Sebastian,
It would be
great to have a working DISTRO configuration in OE which
enables one to produce binary compatible packages.
Is http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona going in the direction you wish?
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Mamona will be more useful and successful if it serves properly maemo
developers like Sebastian. I'm sure the INdT guys have this in mind. :)
In terms of roadmapping for us
maemo + OE = mamona
INdT is doing pretty well with the development and I don't see a need
for us now to take part
Ok, let me go once again back to this boat analogy. I wasn't in the
early days of this project so I really don't know the detals of the
first decisions, but I still see that the options chosen probably made a
lot of sense on that time.
Maybe because the whole concept
of something that is
Hi Loïc,
The first reason Nokia / Maemo might want to offer an
unstable repository is quite certainly to ease developer
participation. But I think there are two things which you're
developing at the same time:
- upstream development of some software (especially Hildon, misc N800
apps
I owed an answer to Guillem:
http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010397.html
Thanks for challenging the maemo trademark policy with specific
examples. They help to detect cases where it would make sense to have a
tool to protect your identity and reputation.
In the
Hi,
But you can give users the choice to select option to install
from unstable repository which may contain OS upgrade packages
and this practice is ordinary.
We have already announced our plans to allow updated via packages
instead of having to reflash the device. This feature implies the
Hi Marius, :)
Alright, so you want me to play evil's advocate role. Cancel? Accept!
Change means work and there needs to be a reason for it. What
I find to be usually missing is however a good justification
of the status quo.
The status quo works. The current process accomplishes its
Is there any word out on why Nokia chose Mozilla over
Webcore this time?
Leonid would explain this in more detail but going to the main concept:
As for today, Mozilla based browsers are almost a de-facto standard in
the GNOME desktop, so it is a natural choice for us to support the same
. But the package
evolution-data-server is deprecated in the upcoming release in
favor of evolution-data-server-addressbook.
So in order to try the update it would be more safer to flash
the official
4.2007.26-8 image and to install the update on top of this clean image.
*
BR,
Dmitry
Quim Gil *quim.gil
maemo 4.0 Chinook alpha SDK
http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4-0_chinook_alpha_sdk.html
maemo 4.0 Chinook API break and Nokia N800 support
https://maemo.org/news/view/1184675758.html
Sorry for adding only two links with further comments but I have to run
if I want to be on time for Ari's
For you to enjoy (and as some of you already know):
Mozilla based browser engine available for testing
http://maemo.org/news/view/1184699585.html
http://maemo.org/browser
This was announced today in Ari's keynote and then Leonid from the
browser team gave a presentation providing all the
Hi, I just talked to Naba, currently offline. This issue is known and
confirmed now. It is caused by a last minute change. We can't fix it
tonight but we hope to fix it tomorrow morning asap.
As you see this is really software under development, fresh meat
released publicly to be shared with
Hi,
We are doing internal testing in order to determine the cause of this
issue and provide a solution. There is no a conclusion so far. We
acknowledge that some users are getting in trouble with some cards but
in the meantime we have done intensive testing on cards and processes
that haven't
Will future updates be in place and not require a full flash?
With any luck, yes.
Note though that future means Diablo or later, not Chinook. We will
probably start offering this functionality for testing to the maemo
community during the Diablo development cycle and we will push it as
official
Hi Ian,
genealogy. However, as soon as we jump to traditional
mobile, Windows
based or commercial software development IDEs are a must
What do you mean by this?How is 'traditional mobile' so
different from any other sort of development that we *must*
use commercial software?
No, what I
Hi Murray,
We will have a more solid answer to this question in few weeks, around
GUADEC time. We are still working on some plans and feasibility analysis
to see how can we help best developers having their applications ready
when a new release comes.
In the meantime let me say that we are
Hi, my fault I haven't pushed any kind of cooridnation or update around
the maemo participation in the Google Summer of Code. I confess not
feeling absolutely guilty because of this since from the first day I
have been asking for a community coordinator after having accomplished
my mission of
Keeping the roadmapping/planing track around the developer platform.
Eclipse, and the IDE approach in general. The developer audience of
maemo will increase if the platform and of course the tablets are
attractive. Command line based tools are the natural context for maemo
development due to the
It would be good to have al the maemo-through-VMware interested focused
in a single direction. There is interest enough to make this happen in a
reliable way but some coordination is needed.
Nokia is not in the best position to lead this even if we support the
idea and want to see it happening.
Enhancement request added to http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html
(Wishlist - Development). I think we all agree on the problem
(developers uploading their packages elsewhere because of the extras
upload process). We still don't agree in the solution, though. As soon
as there is a consensus we will
You know about http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html
We have been putting more flesh into it at a platform level. We will
keep making each entry a link describing details about the feature and
facilitating focused discussion around it.
At the end of the roadmap page there are instruction to submit
Hi Neil,
Quim - If you want to improve the Maemo platform, stop messing
about in public with maemo.org
Discussing new features has no relation with fixing maemo.org in terms
of tasks or people responsible. I fully agree that the maemo platform
will go nowhere without a solid web performance but
Hi Tollef, good to see you here. We are looking forward to strenghthen
this collaboration.
I met Jono last week in LinuxTag also to tell him 'Hopefully, we can
work well together'. From our point of view you the Intel team working
on MID are now like maemo developers, your wishes are... at least
Dear developers, please have a look at
LinuxTag slides with some maemo novelties
http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/369
I will be writing more about each new feature, if you have questions or
specific interests just shot and I will prioritize.
Java lovers, after seeing, listening and
I'm flying to Berlin this morning. If you happen to be in Linuxtag let's
meet up. I will be around the GNOME/GMAE stand and in today's dinner.
Tomorrow there are 90 minutes of maemo report and QA:
Nokia and maemo in the new GNOME mobile context
Using SoC money to sponsor trips to GUADEC sounds very good. The best
proposal (IMHO) I have heard so far.
What are the thoughts of the other SoC students? Rest of people?
Quim
Well, I was looking at the quite interesting GUADEC 2007
programme and thought how nice it would be to attend (and
is there any progress? Where should we discuss
issues/suggestions related to this?
https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/
You don't need to ask permission to push there. :)
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We have started discussing the reorganization of products and components
in bugzilla. The first step is to put in shape product Website:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1414
Once this is completed we will make firther steps until we all are happy
with bugzilla's content structure.
In the
Ok. A quick note on this: I don't know if you already run
version 2.18 or newer, as the bugzilla doesn't advertize it...
It is 2.22, the latest vesrion in Debian stable.
Agreed, it is important to reopen maemo's bugzilla. The requirement is
though that no email addresses are shown. Let's follow
Hi,
As you have seen now the http://maemo.org homepage features the news
coming from http://garage.maemo.org, that are written directly by the
project maintainers. Users can subscribe to feeds and be the first ones
to know.
Garage project maintainers, please make sure all your relevant updates
I assume you don't mean bugzilla spammers
Sorry, I meant spambots gathering email addresses. In our default
bugzilla setup email addresses were exposed. Some pages accessible
publicly offered bug listings with dozens of addresses. Since we were
(and we are) busy with the new website we decided
For example, whenever I receive an update on one of my bug
reports, the URL looks something like this:
Bug known, working on it:
https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1365
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Hi,
- The new maemo.org seems to be well received. Still some rough edges
and thingies to fine tune. Different opinions about the fixed width.
Thanks for your bugs and improvement suggestions submitted in bugzilla.
- Do not hesitate filing more reports even if they are minor things or
matter of
Ahem, forgot one important big, the one I'm directly responsible of :P
WEB CONTENT
- Fixing broken content, links, etc. The migration had its consequences
and we are fighting at it. We have asked the Midgard guys (btw: applause
please) to put someone working specifically on this family of
Hi,
Having SMB/CIFS _client_ functionality probably would be useful.
fyi SAMBA is in the (now official) roadmap:
http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html
We need to provide more details about the features mentioned in this
roadmap. Where to start? File a feature request [1} if you want more
details
Hi,
with large pictures and it makes the articles quite hard to read.
Eliminating the goofy icon representing people talking, and
getting rid of the wasteful navigation column, would more than
double the available space for the columns on the N800, not to
mention a large- screen web
Don't kill the messenger!
But yeah, always happy to answer direct questions.
Disadvantage is that it becomes lost in the list archive.
This is an old problem communication science solved centuries ago:
generally you have those generating information and those collecting it.
Asking the sources
Quim:
Maybe you could put on the roadmap an item to better define
the relationship and goals for at least the Maemo platform,
but preferrably a general goal for the IT200X as well.
No need to put this in the roadmap since it is our current ToDo. I'm
willing to complete this task by June 1st.
Did you (or anyone else) manage to make any progress on a
changelog for 3.2007.10-7?
I have started the internal discussion with the aim of having a
changelog linking to maemo's bugzilla being published together with the
next IT OS release notes. And improve from that point in next releases.
I may be being over-dramatic
Drama is a big gender itself, no need to overdo it. ;)
The discussion about the maemo platform is getting increasingly
interesting but we all need to assimilate a wider context in order to
push it to higher levels. As an example, here is some context:
My proposal/plans are available at http://maemo.org/maemowiki/GeoClue
Thanks!
I know there's still six weeks until
the official start and some students may actually have busy
schedules until that point, but it can't hurt to start
communicating early...
These previous weeks are there
It looks like we are getting 4 slots, yes:
- Ruby Maemo Bindings
- GeoClue for Maemo
- Smoove - Instant Desktop Migration Suite
- Japanese/Chinese handwriting recognition on Maemo
Time to sleep here, tomorrow we will know for sure.
Quim
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Google has allocated 5 preliminary slots for the maemo project. We might still
end up getting less than these, but definitely not more.
We need to move fast now to make sure that the top 5 ranked proposals are the
ones we want to promote. Google will make final decisions at the end of Tuesday
Some mentors have started moving piece, let's go ahead with the
proposal.
1 - Keep the top 10 proposals and mark as Ineligible all the rest.
Done. Courtesy email sent to the discarded proposals, trying tp
summariza the reasons given by mentors not to support them.
2 - Community mentors that
Are you asking to double vote?
Yes, like in some democratic systems: first round with all candidates
and final round concentrating in the most supported candidates.
The difference here is that the second round doesn't start from scratch,
since the previous ranks are still there. But still.
Only
The past week I released a gpl-licensed flasher for both Nokia
Internet Tablets.
I haven't tried it yet but only for the idea and the release:
congratulations, cool.
Flasher is one of those closed components with openness wheels currently
moving. Good to see movement in the same direction.
- MAEMO platform
- porting applications to MAEMO
No, I don't have the skills to apply. ;)
This email hits the list precisely when I was thinking whether would be
useful/acceptable to have a page in maemo.org for job opportunities
around maemo.
Nokia is offering jobs regularly but
Can somebody from Nokia confirm that 3D is an unwanted feature
on the N800 and that it will not be added soon?
This is not a tendencious question, is it? :)
3D is not an unwanted feature, since (as a principle) we want to have
all the features making the tablets excel in Internet and
great idea as long as someone manages the list to remove obsolescent
postings.
I guess we could introduce something like a 1 month period for each
entry. After that period the entry would be automatically unpublished.
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Feedback appreciated. This homepage needs to be useful first of all to
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I'm not going to get into details about the packages mentioned, but as a
general answer...
So why on earth was it ever closed-source?
As mentioned in my previous email, project management issues had a big
weight on this kind of decisions. Objectively, when you are a huge
company and you need to
Hi,
Is there any chance to have a community maintained release? If
I remember correctly some drivers are missing to get there,
any chance to get the open sourced?
From a Nokia 770 customer point of view, any solution around this device
needs to come sooner than later, since devices get old
SoC mentor? Read this through!
http://maemo.org/maemowiki/GoogleSoC2007 updated with the latest
information.
We have received some projects after the deadline, I believe that
redirected from other projects or Google's pool. I have marked two as
uneligible since they contained no project
Would it be possible to provide a detailed change log for
3.2007.10-7, ideally cross-referenced with the public Bugzilla
so that we (the users) known which of those bugs we have
raised have been addressed?
Good question. I will try to answer officially as soon as possible. I
mean, the answer
Hi Guy,
I have an idea for a project for the Google Summer of Code.
It's not really mentioned on the ideas-page so I'll present
it here first:
The maemo ideas page has a mention to Location related projects.
- is this project suitable for maemo?
As mentioned, location is one of our
A student has submitted a proposal about this:
Dasher via Maemo Device as Keyboard for PC, by Aaron Westerdale
FYI these are the other 3 project proposals received:
- 'Duality': Internet-based, PC-to-device-to-PC file transfer, by Andrew
Godwin
- Improve the phoneME JVM, to integrate well
Perhaps promoting this idea in the dasher list(s?) would help finding a
student interested?
PS: We got a second proposal. If the first one was about Java, the
second one is about geolocation.
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Hi, beyond the DSP thing...
I also know that the open source
community is a group of grumpy people with questionable social
skills, so you've been flamed to hell and back on this list
Your perception. :) I find this list is keeping high standards in terms
of quality of discussion.
and you
Nokia is hiring and the 3 job positions are related to the development
platform. See http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/331
I don't feel like doing HR promotion in this list, but since many people
subscribed here are potential job candidates... I tought you would like
to know.
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Hi Sean, respect.
I think on part of the challenge is the perception versus the
intention.
This is a very good point. We can improve clarifying our intentions and
communicating them.
One problem here is the novelty of the process in many senses: we are
sharing a project and a context that is
This is a call to kernel lovers,
http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html
Any suggestions to improve this documentation? If you see a clear gap
please tell us.
PS: If you know about a clear gap in our developer documentation, tell
us as well. Yes, I know there has been
Thanks for the feedback. Still not 100 responses ;) but definitely we
have a wider opinion now.
New iteration:
- No new list created.
- Current lists are not renamed.
- Flags in the subject are wiped out.
- Reply-To is kept as it is.
- maemo-developers is for... developers hacking either
New iteration:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Renamed maemo-developers@maemo.org, no change in subscribers.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
New list, interested people need to join.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Renamed maemo-users@maemo.org, no change in subscribers.
About the flags, if someone wants to come up with a schort
If you don't have dev or developer somewhere in those
developer list names, they will be bothered with user
questions, and those users will then be dissatisfied with
being sent away. Descriptions aren't enough.
I was waiting some kind of concept approval before going into wording.
Let's see if
fyi
We will close the N800 developer device program in 24h. We will be still
reading and processing requests until then. The less we know you the
more you should explain has proven to be a useful principle. There are
still few codes available, specially for the US.
From that point we will just
Do you like the this idea, then?
- platform (current maemo-developers)
- applications (new list)
- power users (current maemo-users)
Pure end users are currently out of our scope, although we wouldn't stop
them in the power users list if they find it and are brave to ask.
Otherwise there is
This list is growing and sometimes (like this month) is difficult to
follow.
What about finding a specific development area that could be discussed
in a separate list, leveraging the weight of this one? Contributors
interested in that area could collaborate better. A list specialized in
a
Summarizing the first round:
- If developers don't see a clear need to create new lists there is no
point creating them. The problem with this kind of discussions is that
you get the opinions of the ones that are happy inside. It's more
difficult to get opinions from those not reading the emails
Some of you had trouble at the UK shop (some don't, 50% according to
our records).
Hopefully this is a solution for the unfortunate:
http://direct.nokia.com/countries.aspx?model=N800add=truecountry=GB
It should work. Otherwise contact phone/mail support of the UK shop. At
this point we
Also do developer devices come with warranty?
Definitely, they are full comercial packages with the same warranty,
terms and conditions than the devices bought in any store at a full
price.
This is one of the reasons why we can't send devices from Nokia to
[unsupported country], since all
http://maemo.org/platform/docs/roadmap.html
This page needs an update. I will help getting this page on shape. This
update is also a good opportunity to discuss possible futures.
Now it's also a good moment to review the SDK and see what improvements
can be made. The more pragmatic and specific
Hi,
Analyzing the sequence of emails in this list and my mailbox it looks
like there was some trouble at the Nokia USA shop, although it seems
that the customer support mechanism scaled up the issue and by now they
are all aware and like able to solve problems (I need to confirm the
latter, but
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