Re: N810 is here

2007-10-25 Thread Nils Faerber
Krischan Keitsch schrieb: Am Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2007 schrieb Ralph Angenendt: John Rudd wrote: Kahlil Johnson wrote: Wow, still no OGG when will maemo people ever learn. Who cares about AAC, give us OGG. Huh. I have many AAC files. I have no OGG files. Why should even remotely

Re: N810 is here -- whitout ogg support

2007-10-19 Thread Krischan Keitsch
Am Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2007 schrieb Steve Greenland: According to John Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And, no, it's not about open and free. Since the developers in question are Nokia (since the comment was directed at the release of the N810 itself, and not a request for more 3rd party

Re: N810 is here (ogg support)

2007-10-19 Thread Frederic Crozat
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 15:14 +0300, Eero Tamminen a écrit : Hi, ext Krischan Keitsch wrote: - mediaplayer not playing the file I think the problem is here, unfortunately :( Developper documentation is a little too scarce about media player, unfortunately. .

Re: N810 is here (ogg support)

2007-10-19 Thread Frederic Crozat
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 12:11 +0200, Krischan Keitsch a écrit : Am Freitag, 19. Oktober 2007 schrieb Frederic Crozat: Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 11:59 +0300, Eero Tamminen a écrit : So, there shouldn't be any need for any Maemo specific specs, these things are documented in

Re: N810 is here (ogg support)

2007-10-19 Thread Frederic Crozat
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 11:59 +0300, Eero Tamminen a écrit : So, there shouldn't be any need for any Maemo specific specs, these things are documented in upstream projects. There should still be a tutorial how to do these things though. Tutorial is already available in Maemo 3.x SDK

Re: N810 is here (touch screen)

2007-10-19 Thread Eero Tamminen
ext Alan Williamson wrote: Maybe a silly question, but is the N810 still a touch screen device? Yes. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users

Re: N810 is here (ogg support)

2007-10-19 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Krischan Keitsch wrote: Am Mittwoch, 17. Oktober 2007 schrieb Collin R. Mulliner: OGG is only a nerd feature and also has other problems, so Nokia (and other companies) just don't care. Maybe somebody can make a plugin (also this won't utilize the DSP). I don't agree with ogg = nerd

Re: N810 is here (ogg support)

2007-10-19 Thread Tilman Vogel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederic Crozat schrieb: And to do that, we need expected to work but doesn't work ogg support package. And unfortunately, neither mogg or ogg-support packages are in this state for n800 (one lack schema and the other is not registering the

Re: N810 is here (ogg support)

2007-10-19 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Krischan Keitsch wrote: - mediaplayer not playing the file I think the problem is here, unfortunately :( Developper documentation is a little too scarce about media player, unfortunately. . Unfortunately. Am I wrong when I identify the missing source of the media player as part

Re: N810 is here (ogg support)

2007-10-19 Thread Krischan Keitsch
Am Freitag, 19. Oktober 2007 schrieb Frederic Crozat: Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 11:59 +0300, Eero Tamminen a écrit : So, there shouldn't be any need for any Maemo specific specs, these things are documented in upstream projects. There should still be a tutorial how to do these things

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-19 Thread Krischan Keitsch
Am Mittwoch, 17. Oktober 2007 schrieb Collin R. Mulliner: OGG is only a nerd feature and also has other problems, so Nokia (and other companies) just don't care. Maybe somebody can make a plugin (also this won't utilize the DSP). I don't agree with ogg = nerd feature. Linux as an open and

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Ralph Angenendt
John Rudd wrote: Kahlil Johnson wrote: Wow, still no OGG when will maemo people ever learn. Who cares about AAC, give us OGG. Huh. I have many AAC files. I have no OGG files. Why should even remotely care about OGG? How weird. I have no AAC files but a big bunch of ogg files, why

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread John Rudd
Krischan Keitsch wrote: Am Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2007 schrieb John Rudd: Kahlil Johnson wrote: Wow, still no OGG when will maemo people ever learn. Who cares about AAC, give us OGG. Huh. I have many AAC files. I have no OGG files. Why should even remotely care about OGG? Or is

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread John Rudd
Ralph Angenendt wrote: John Rudd wrote: Kahlil Johnson wrote: Wow, still no OGG when will maemo people ever learn. Who cares about AAC, give us OGG. Huh. I have many AAC files. I have no OGG files. Why should even remotely care about OGG? How weird. I have no AAC files but a big

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Kahlil Johnson
On 10/18/07, John Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralph Angenendt wrote: John Rudd wrote: Kahlil Johnson wrote: Wow, still no OGG when will maemo people ever learn. Who cares about AAC, give us OGG. Huh. I have many AAC files. I have no OGG files. Why should even remotely care

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Steve Greenland
According to John Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And, no, it's not about open and free. Since the developers in question are Nokia (since the comment was directed at the release of the N810 itself, and not a request for more 3rd party development), it's about how much effort the developers need

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Jonathan Greene
Been meaning to reply back to this thread been hectic here. My device is pre-release and has a slip case which I believe will be included. Ogg is not included for codec licensing issues... Form factor is excellent as is the build and it will apparently get a bit better over the course of

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Jonathan Greene
Dev program - http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1192708879.html On 10/17/07, Sergey Udaltsov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will there be developer's device program, like for n800? Cheers, Sergey ___ maemo-users mailing list

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Wayne Fiori
On 10/18/07, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ogg is not included for codec licensing issues... Care to expand on this point? Which licensing issues? (from Xiph's FAQ for Vorbis -- http://www.vorbis.com/faq/#flic) What licensing applies to the Ogg Vorbis format? The Ogg Vorbis

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Gary Baribault
Why the heck would they remove the FM Radio? And go down to 1 memory slot? I guess that one could be because of the placement of the keyboard. It sure would be nice if we could charge from the USB and host unpowered on the USB. I assume that the hosting is a question of support and battery life.

RE: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Jonathan, thanks for the updates! Nick. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Greene Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:38 AM To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: N810 is here Been meaning to reply back to this thread been hectic

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Jonathan Greene
The radio was cut as it did not fit ... Same on the memory slots and the card type On 10/18/07, Gary Baribault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why the heck would they remove the FM Radio? And go down to 1 memory slot? I guess that one could be because of the placement of the keyboard. It sure

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Peter Robinson
And, no, it's not about open and free. Since the developers in question are Nokia (since the comment was directed at the release of the N810 itself, and not a request for more 3rd party development), it's about how much effort the developers need to put into supporting something vs. the

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Steve Greenland
According to Peter Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Vorbis support would be excellent (as would speex for voip and theora for video) but I suspect for Nokia the majority of people that buy the Tablets wouldn't know what any of them are let alone probably care. Ultimately the continued development

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 08:39:10PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: So when it comes down to it most of the required/hard parts of vorbis support (and probably speex to as it too has fixed point DSP implementations) are already there. It just needs some smart programmers to bolt the required bits

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-18 Thread Krischan Keitsch
Am Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2007 schrieb Ralph Angenendt: John Rudd wrote: Kahlil Johnson wrote: Wow, still no OGG when will maemo people ever learn. Who cares about AAC, give us OGG. Huh. I have many AAC files. I have no OGG files. Why should even remotely care about OGG?

N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Alan Williamson
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/17/nokia-n810-gets-official/ -- Alan Williamson a wiki -and- a blog @ http://www.Blog-City.com/ b: http://alan.blog-city.com/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Jonathan Greene
it's in my pocket! a few videos here - atmasphere.net/wp and maemoapps.comas well as some poorly shot pics I raced to post on flickr - user atmasphere On 10/17/07, Alan Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/17/nokia-n810-gets-official/ -- Alan Williamson a

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Laurent MARTIN
Subject: N810 is here ... but where is ITOS2008?! I definitely want to install it on my *old* N800... -- Laurent, Nantes (FR) - http://blog.lmartin.fr Apple MacBook Pro 15 Nokia Internet Tablet N800 Palm Treo 650 (unlocked GSM) ___ maemo-users

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Alan Williamson
and?!?!!?! :@) whats it like? what has it that the N800 has been begging for? (execpt the keyboard that is!) and when will it available in Europe? Jonathan Greene wrote: it's in my pocket! a few videos here - atmasphere.net/wp http://atmasphere.net/wp and maemoapps.com

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Jonathan Greene
wen the device arrives in final form it should be there as well. 4-5 weeks... On 10/17/07, Laurent MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: N810 is here ... but where is ITOS2008?! I definitely want to install it on my *old* N800... -- *Laurent*, Nantes (FR) - *http://blog.lmartin.fr*http

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Daniel M German
Jonathan it's in my pocket! a few videos here - atmasphere.net/wp and maemoapps.com as well as some poorly shot pics I raced to post on Jonathan flickr - user atmasphere Any idea when/how I can get one (I am in Canada)? --daniel Jonathan On 10/17/07, Alan Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 02:42:17PM -0500, Kahlil Johnson wrote: Wow, still no OGG when will maemo people ever learn. Who cares about AAC, give us OGG. I've heard rumours are Nokia won't ever include ogg support because they're scared of the (supposedly nonexistent) patents (and that after

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Jonathan Greene
no idea guys ... a least a month away. On 10/17/07, Daniel M German [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan it's in my pocket! a few videos here - atmasphere.net/wp and maemoapps.com as well as some poorly shot pics I raced to post on Jonathan flickr - user atmasphere Any idea when/how I can

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Kahlil Johnson
Wow, still no OGG when will maemo people ever learn. Who cares about AAC, give us OGG. On 10/17/07, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no idea guys ... a least a month away. On 10/17/07, Daniel M German [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan it's in my pocket! a few videos here -

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Acadia Secure Networks
Jonathan, who cares about the keyboardis the Nokia carrying case for the 810 available (and not just in cyberspace)? Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC *Serving the SmartDigital^TM home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging network service

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread George Farris
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 14:42 -0500, Kahlil Johnson wrote: Wow, still no OGG when will maemo people ever learn. Who cares about AAC, give us OGG. Did they leave the FM radio in? I really like that feature on my n800? No OGG is just plain weird, yup.

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Sergey Udaltsov
Will there be developer's device program, like for n800? Cheers, Sergey ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Rajesh Sankaran
Now - Carrying case!, That one I need too. Are there any Vegan ( non - leather carrying cases ) for N800 ? Thats one thing I need very bad :(. Thanks Rajesh Acadia Secure Networks wrote: Jonathan, who cares about the keyboardis the Nokia carrying case for the 810

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Collin R. Mulliner
Did they leave the FM radio in? I really like that feature on my n800? No OGG is just plain weird, yup. OGG is only a nerd feature and also has other problems, so Nokia (and other companies) just don't care. Maybe somebody can make a plugin (also this won't utilize the DSP). -- Collin R.

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Tilman Vogel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Collin R. Mulliner schrieb: Did they leave the FM radio in? I really like that feature on my n800? No OGG is just plain weird, yup. OGG is only a nerd feature and also has other problems, so Nokia (and other companies) just don't care. Maybe

Re: N810 is here: 45hrs!?!?

2007-10-17 Thread Alan Williamson
read this on http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1160660 No need, the Nokia N810 offers up to 45 hours of music playback how on earth are they getting that!??!?! My N800 can barely last 8hrs on the current battery; so what improves has gone here i wonder -- Alan Williamson a wiki -and- a

Re: N810 is here: 45hrs!?!?

2007-10-17 Thread David Leinbach
I think the 45 hours simply refers to how much music they think you should be able to fit on the built-in memory (notice it says No Wi-Fi connection on your journey? No need, the Nokia N810 offers up to 45 hours of music playback...). On 10/17/07, Alan Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: read

Re: N810 is here: 45hrs!?!?

2007-10-17 Thread Gopi Flaherty
On Oct 17, 2007, at 6:33 PM, David Leinbach wrote: I think the 45 hours simply refers to how much music they think you should be able to fit on the built-in memory (notice it says No Wi- Fi connection on your journey? No need, the Nokia N810 offers up to 45 hours of music playback...).

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Acadia Secure Networks
All, kidding aside, I have to say that, as I would expect from Nokia, if the product ,once launched, meets or exceeds spec, then Nokia has indeed proven itself as a fast learning organization with this product by a) adding some key functional capabilities that those on this list have

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread John Rudd
Kahlil Johnson wrote: Wow, still no OGG when will maemo people ever learn. Who cares about AAC, give us OGG. Huh. I have many AAC files. I have no OGG files. Why should even remotely care about OGG? Or is this one of those you absolutely need it for interesting content in Europe, but

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread hendrik
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 08:19:36PM +0100, Alan Williamson wrote: http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/17/nokia-n810-gets-official/ -- Can it listen to a (self-powered) USB keyboard? -- hendrik ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org

Re: N810 is here

2007-10-17 Thread Bill Broadley
Can the n810 be powered by usb? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users