Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 16 July 2011 02:57, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 à 11:10 +0300, Ahmad Samir a écrit : Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work

Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Sander Lepik
16.07.2011 10:57, Ahmad Samir kirjutas: Right, let's do a head count: Mageia 64bit users who are using the 64bit Adobe Flash 11 Beta 1, please raise your hand (my hand is raised already, I've been using it for 2-3 days). +1 This beta works OK, a lot better than any other option on 64-bit

Re: [Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?

2011-07-16 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 15 July 2011 23:20, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 15/07/11 20:16 did gyre and gimble: On Friday 15 July 2011 15:06:11 Frank Griffin wrote: On 07/15/2011 02:28 PM, Frank Griffin wrote: Has anyone else noticed that as of updating yesterday or

Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/16 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com: On 16 July 2011 02:57, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 à 11:10 +0300, Ahmad Samir a écrit : Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit

Re: [Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng

2011-07-16 Thread D.Morgan
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net wrote: Hi, just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux 2.19+ planned? not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you want this is i think the perfect time

Re: [Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 à 22:27 -0400, andre999 a écrit : Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 à 00:30 +0200, nicolas vigier a écrit : Hello. mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command : It was not uploaded to the mirrors. ie, nothing on :

Re: [Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version

2011-07-16 Thread D.Morgan
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 à 22:27 -0400, andre999 a écrit : Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 à 00:30 +0200, nicolas vigier a écrit : Hello. mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command : It

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-16 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, D.Morgan wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 15/07/11 11:01 did gyre and gimble: Now that it's compiled, I need to test it :D Well it boots. And I have network connections! I have a

Re: [Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version

2011-07-16 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 03:02:21, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 à 12:11 +0200, nicolas vigier a écrit : On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote: Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 00:30:41, nicolas vigier a écrit : Hello. mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds

Re: [Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?

2011-07-16 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 02:45:04, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 01:17 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Some packages must be submitted only to tainted. Is there already a way to prevent a wrong submit to the core section, when a package builds without

Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 10:57 +0300, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 16 July 2011 02:57, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 à 11:10 +0300, Ahmad Samir a écrit : Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which

Re: [Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 11:42 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 02:45:04, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 01:17 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Some packages must be submitted only to tainted. Is there already a way to prevent a

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2

2011-07-16 Thread Angelo Naselli
In data sabato 16 luglio 2011 03:30:20, Michael Scherer ha scritto: I think it wouldn't work for sub packages. And before enabling this, we need to have a way to keep rpmlint-mageia-policy in sync on valstar ( as the last time I restricted upload, people complained ). Could we have at least

Re: [Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 11:36 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 03:02:21, Michael Scherer a écrit : Wasn't it against the policy ( ie, this is neither a bugfix, this is a version update, providing feature ) ? Strictly speaking, maybe, but the policy says

Re: [Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 09 juillet 2011 à 14:46 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : I used the --with-man option of the %find_lang RPM macro, but noticed that it adds all /usr/share/man/XX and /usr/share/man/XX/manX directories to the package, which, it seems, is bad. Spturtle noticed that for example

Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Angelo Naselli
Quiet is good! I will say more quiet isn't bad... As long as all bugs and security issues are fixed, why make unnecessary noise? Funny bugzilla query: Status: NEW, ASSIGNED, REOPENED Version: 1 ... 354 bugs found. But i don't want to make noise :p -- Angelo signature.asc

Re: [Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version

2011-07-16 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 12:20:22, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 11:36 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 03:02:21, Michael Scherer a écrit : Wasn't it against the policy ( ie, this is neither a bugfix, this is a version update, providing

Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Angelo Naselli
I think your words are wise, and you're right since we want to enhance backports credibility. But i also think that we could give that package at least in backports/testing maybe with a -beta suffix to halp those of whom don't want to download flashplayer from adobe site directly and that

[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
tmb, I hate you. making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake. there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a while, to let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 07:47, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.cawrote: this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it),

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 12:17 +0200, Angelo Naselli a écrit : In data sabato 16 luglio 2011 03:30:20, Michael Scherer ha scritto: I think it wouldn't work for sub packages. And before enabling this, we need to have a way to keep rpmlint-mageia-policy in sync on valstar ( as the last

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it, they just work (acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100 and acer travelmate C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me :)). So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win! Eugeni,

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread D.Morgan
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca wrote: tmb, I hate you. really clever and polite ... making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake. your call, should

Re: [Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version

2011-07-16 Thread Angelo Naselli
In data sabato 16 luglio 2011 03:27:18, Michael Scherer ha scritto: The goal of novice is not to add lots of packages to become packagers, but to demonstrate enough knowledge while maintaining them. So I would rather have a system that discourage adding lots of rpms. Ie, if there is a

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake. there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a while, to let people test that

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Sandro Cazzaniga
I still love and congrats tmb too, for his hardwork! Sandro Cazzaniga -Original Message- From: D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com Sender: mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:07:26 To: Mageia development mailing-listmageia-dev@mageia.org Reply-To: Mageia development

Re: [Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 12:34 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 12:20:22, Michael Scherer a écrit : I am not keen on pushing our newer tool on update, since we plan to have our server using mageia, and so in the futur, if we push newer iurt, mgarepo,

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Sander Lepik
16.07.2011 14:07, D.Morgan kirjutas: for my part i still love tmb a lot for his awesome work +1 R-C, please behave.. this is cauldron, it breaks stuff and we almost want it (at least sometimes :)). If you don't like the way it is, please don't use it! -- Sander

Re: [Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?

2011-07-16 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 13:03:43, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 12:16 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 12:12:15, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 11:42 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le samedi 16 juillet 2011

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread magnus
2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn't work even

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread D.Morgan
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca wrote: tmb, I hate you. making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake. there should have been something like

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
you still can use the kernel 2.6 which is installed on your machine, installing a newer kernel doesn't uninstall the previous one. yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_. the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end, both pointing to the 3.0.0 kernel. and the default

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
Please understand linux 3.0 is just a different name for 2.6.40, there's nothing special about it. So a kernel-desktop-latest3 doesn't make any sense. ok, then how about kernel-desktop-latest-unstable kernel-desktop-latest-rc kernel-desktop-latest-beta ? because it's not a properly tested

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Kira
在 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:29:27 +0800, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca寫道: you still can use the kernel 2.6 which is installed on your machine, installing a newer kernel doesn't uninstall the previous one. yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_. the new kernel

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread magnus
2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_. the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end, both pointing to the 3.0.0 kernel. and the default one (first one) also booted the 3.0.0 kernel. On my machine there isnt't this

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 04:29 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit : you all squeak and tweak over pushing or not pushing Adobe Flash 11 Beta1 x86_64 into Cauldron, because it's beta. heck, it's just a bloody plugin! The mail is about pushing flash to stable, not cauldron. --

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 04:31 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit : Please understand linux 3.0 is just a different name for 2.6.40, there's nothing special about it. So a kernel-desktop-latest3 doesn't make any sense. ok, then how about kernel-desktop-latest-unstable

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread D.Morgan
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 04:31 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit : Please understand linux 3.0 is just a different name for 2.6.40, there's nothing special about it. So a kernel-desktop-latest3 doesn't make any

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Sander Lepik
16.07.2011 14:31, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU kirjutas: ok, then how about kernel-desktop-latest-unstable kernel-desktop-latest-rc kernel-desktop-latest-beta ? But why not kernel-desktop-latest-unstable-beta and kernel-desktop-latest-unstable-rc, etc.. as well? I think buildsystem would love it

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
On my machine there isnt't this problem. The last entry in the menu.lst points to 2.6.38.8-desktop-4 all automatically, without editing.   so grub works normally. no, it does not. it never did. the testing scenarios have always been insufficient. I needed to add an entry to menu.lst to chain

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Oliver Burger
2011/7/16 D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Yes, and we could even have a whole distribution dedicated to have packages to be tested.  and could we call it cauldron ? :) That's a great idea! :D And by the way, this thread has

Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 16 July 2011 11:11, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote: On 15.07.2011 11:10, Ahmad Samir wrote: Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: -

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Kira
在 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:55:11 +0800, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca寫道: On my machine there isnt't this problem. The last entry in the menu.lst points to 2.6.38.8-desktop-4 all automatically, without editing. so grub works normally. no, it does not. it never did. the testing

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release pymecavideo-5.4-1.mga2

2011-07-16 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 13:18:14, Mageia Team a écrit : Name: pymecavideo Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 5.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga2Build Date: Sat Jul 16 13:17:25 2011 Install Date:

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
R-C, please behave.. this is cauldron, it breaks stuff and we almost want it (at least sometimes :)). If you don't like the way it is, please don't use it! Sander, As long as Linux distros are such idiotically designed that one can _not_ have the latest packages for the applications I

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Angelo Naselli
In data sabato 16 luglio 2011 13:56:38, Oliver Burger ha scritto: 2011/7/16 D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Yes, and we could even have a whole distribution dedicated to have packages to be tested. and could we call

Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 16 July 2011 14:02, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 July 2011 11:11, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote: On 15.07.2011 11:10, Ahmad Samir wrote: Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Sander Lepik
16.07.2011 15:11, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU kirjutas: R-C, please behave.. this is cauldron, it breaks stuff and we almost want it (at least sometimes :)). If you don't like the way it is, please don't use it! Sander, [didn't read it all - don't have that much time] R-C aka beranger I have

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 05:11 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit : R-C, please behave.. this is cauldron, it breaks stuff and we almost want it (at least sometimes :)). If you don't like the way it is, please don't use it! Sander, As long as Linux distros are such

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
[didn't read it all - don't have that much time] that's very considerate. at least, you were able to write the above line. I have to say.. for the last 10+ years you have used OS that's not for you and that you don't understand. Sorry for you, maybe Mr. Jobs can help you out? I'd rather

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Angelo Naselli
THE ONE AND ONLY THING properly designed in Windows is that you can use (almost) ANY version of ANY application w/o breaking the system and w/o upgrading the system! *Almost* as you said. Also windows changed and sometimes changes between a sp to another, sometimes (often) some applications

[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status

2011-07-16 Thread Oliver Burger
I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0... Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message. can anyone confirm? If yes, I'd post a bug report (against what?), Which outputs, information would

Re: [Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status

2011-07-16 Thread Kira
在 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:03:50 +0800, Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com寫道: I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0... Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message. can anyone

Re: [Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status

2011-07-16 Thread Angelo Naselli
In data sabato 16 luglio 2011 15:03:50, Oliver Burger ha scritto: I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0... Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message. can anyone confirm? If

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 09:11, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.cawrote: To end this flamewar: when I decide to use a cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable system, I expect I will need to fix some breakages, but at least (1) let me have a proper choice of kernels in GRUB, including the

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Frank Griffin
On 07/16/2011 07:29 AM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: you still can use the kernel 2.6 which is installed on your machine, installing a newer kernel doesn't uninstall the previous one. yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_. the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end,

Re: [Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status

2011-07-16 Thread magnus
2011/7/16 Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely not. I cannot confirm, I'm offline Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message. can anyone confirm? confirm magnus

Re: [Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 14:31 +0300, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 16 July 2011 03:02, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 à 12:11 +0200, nicolas vigier a écrit : On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote: Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 00:30:41, nicolas

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-16 Thread Olivier Blin
Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org writes: People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least ), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded system either. Do you have more

Re: [Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng

2011-07-16 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net wrote: Hi, just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux 2.19+ planned? not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you

Re: [Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng

2011-07-16 Thread D.Morgan
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net wrote: Hi, just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux

Re: [Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng

2011-07-16 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:13, D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net wrote:

Re: [Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng

2011-07-16 Thread Olivier Blin
Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net writes: On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new package, mostly for 1 reason: - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn) Why that? It will still be available

Re: [Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status

2011-07-16 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/16 magnus magnus@googlemail.com: 2011/7/16 Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely not. I cannot confirm, I'm offline LOL!  Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message. can anyone

[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox

2011-07-16 Thread Thomas Spuhler
I thought I would post this because very likely some other user are experiencing this: Afte upgrading a guest system from mandriva 2010.2 or older to cooker or Mageia, the system becomes very unresponsive after a random period or time ( just after boot up to 3 hours). Upgrading the virtualbox

Re: [Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng

2011-07-16 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:02, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote: Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net writes: On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new package, mostly for 1 reason: - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for

Re: [Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status

2011-07-16 Thread Oliver Burger
2011/7/16 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: Confirmed here as well. But it must be related to kernel change. Booting with previous kernel = wifi works, booting with new kernel = wifi does not work (The chip is recognized and I see the available access points but no connection possible)

Re: [Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status

2011-07-16 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/16 Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com: 2011/7/16 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: Confirmed here as well. But it must be related to kernel change. Booting with previous kernel = wifi works, booting with new kernel = wifi does not work (The chip is recognized and I see the

Re: [Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status

2011-07-16 Thread Oliver Burger
2011/7/16 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: 2011/7/16 Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com: 2011/7/16 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: Confirmed here as well. But it must be related to kernel change. Booting with previous kernel = wifi works, booting with new kernel = wifi

Re: [Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status

2011-07-16 Thread magnus
Crazy, with connected lan I have no connection and I cannot switch to wifi. Without connected lan, the applet shows no connection but it lies

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 11:47 did gyre and gimble: tmb, I hate you. making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake. there should have been something like

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 12:55 did gyre and gimble: Once you manually touch menu.lst, it's never going to be properly updated afterwards. Rubbish. I've manually edited menu.lst in the past and my changes/additions are correctly kept and also added to newly installed

Re: [Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?

2011-07-16 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 16/07/11 09:06 did gyre and gimble: On 15 July 2011 23:20, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 15/07/11 20:16 did gyre and gimble: On Friday 15 July 2011 15:06:11 Frank Griffin wrote: On 07/15/2011 02:28 PM, Frank

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
WTF? We do this quite regularly... the rc's have been pushed in cooker and I'm pretty sure cauldron in the past. The fact that this is 3.x.x rather 2.6.38 is pretty much a whim of numbering and nothing specifically relating to anything significant or similar. And who cares if -latest is

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Marek Laane
2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca Finally, when you upgrade a regular package (say, LibreOffice, which was recently updated) to a new version, it is extremely unlikely that you would update it to a Beta/RC one, even in Cauldron. Then why your standards are _lower_ when

Re: [Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man

2011-07-16 Thread andre999
Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 09 juillet 2011 à 14:46 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : I used the --with-man option of the %find_lang RPM macro, but noticed that it adds all /usr/share/man/XX and /usr/share/man/XX/manX directories to the package, which, it seems, is bad. Spturtle

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 18:48 did gyre and gimble: WTF? We do this quite regularly... the rc's have been pushed in cooker and I'm pretty sure cauldron in the past. The fact that this is 3.x.x rather 2.6.38 is pretty much a whim of numbering and nothing

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Marek Laane
2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles but at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in cooker/cauldron KDE is the main reason I'm using Cauldron. Since KDE 4.0.0, KDE is never

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
Seriously, look in a mirror and judge yourself, not others. OK, updating from 2.6.38 to 2.6.40-0.rc7 aka 3.0.0-0.rc7 was the right thing. Satisfied now? There seem to be several standards when judging what to do in an unstable distro. In a released distro, the common rule is _not_ to update

Re: [Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status

2011-07-16 Thread D.Morgan
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com wrote: I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0... Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message. can anyone

Re: [Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Altizer
On 07/16/2011 03:53 PM, D.Morgan wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com wrote: I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0... Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely not. Trying to connect using draknet-center

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
The above statement clearly says I've only read one feature of systemd Maybe it's not about systemd. Maybe it's about upstart. Or maybe it's about a half-dozen init system I don't care about -- and you know why? Not just because I'm not a sysadmin, but because the public image -- those 99%

Re: [Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland

2011-07-16 Thread D.Morgan
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:02 AM, D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote: hello, with my sysadmin hat i just reverted on the main server + on the svn. This have been asked by mikala because this breaks soprarno ( so KDE ) and ardour ( and maybe more applications ). Please do not update

Re: [Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland

2011-07-16 Thread Balcaen John
On Sunday 17 July 2011 00:14:07 D.Morgan wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:02 AM, D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote: hello, with my sysadmin hat i just reverted on the main server + on the svn. This have been asked by mikala because this breaks soprarno ( so KDE ) and ardour ( and

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 22:33 did gyre and gimble: I'm not jumping to any conclusion, I'm just not a fan of anything. It's hard to find someone working in IT that is not proud of the field -- you too are proud. I am working in IT and I don't praise anything. I'm

Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron

2011-07-16 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
Sick of the lack of quality is perfectly acceptable, but you know what fixes that? People who care about it actually *working* on it. Complaining about it doesn't help anyone! You're right in theory, and probably also in practice. However, as a skeptical and pessimistic by nature (and by

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2

2011-07-16 Thread Balcaen John
On Monday 11 July 2011 21:46:33 Mageia Team wrote: Name: gtk+2.0 Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 2.24.5Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 6.mga2Build Date: Mon Jul 11 21:15:24 [...] wally wally

Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop

2011-07-16 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 22:26, Jeff Robins jeffrobins...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hello, I updated my system and it installed the latest kernel (2.6.38.8-desktop). When I rebooted the system it hung when starting udev. I shut down the system after

Re: [Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status

2011-07-16 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 17:05, Michael Altizer xi...@verizon.net wrote: On 07/16/2011 03:53 PM, D.Morgan wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com wrote: I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0... Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I

Re: [Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng

2011-07-16 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:09, Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:02, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote: Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net writes: On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new package, mostly for 1 reason:

Re: [Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox

2011-07-16 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:06, Thomas Spuhler tho...@btspuhler.com wrote: I thought I would post this because very likely some other user are experiencing this: Afte upgrading a guest system from mandriva 2010.2 or older to cooker or Mageia, the system becomes very unresponsive after a

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2

2011-07-16 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 22:35, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Grub 2 is also able to boot ext4 without trouble since several years. So keeping grub 1 for a while doesn't make sense at all if this is related to file system. And grub 2 also support reading grub 1 configuration file since

Re: [Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version

2011-07-16 Thread andre999
Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 14:31 +0300, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 16 July 2011 03:02, Michael Schererm...@zarb.org wrote: Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 à 12:11 +0200, nicolas vigier a écrit : On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote: Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011