Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-26 Thread Florian Hubold
Hello, as this discussion has come to a standstill, could we please restart this to get some results and some decisions? This is going on for some months, back and forth and seems we have come nowhere. Or has there already been some progress, which i have overseen, besides this: http://mageia

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-14 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
development mailing-list odjjhxpcy38dnm+yrof...@public.gmane.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put >>>         non-free+tainted RPMs? >> Message-ID: >>         >> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-14 Thread blind Pete
on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:04 in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote: >> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200 >> From: Wolfgang Bornath >> To: Mageia development mailing-list >> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-14 Thread blind Pete
on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:05 in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel Wolfgang Bornath wrote: [snip] > We have a different perception of > laws, so it seems. Very likely you are subject to different laws. They vary a lot from place to place.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-13 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 13 July 2011 14:27, nicolas vigier wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote: > >> > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200 >> > From: Wolfgang Bornath >> > To: Mageia development mailing-list >> > Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-13 Thread nicolas vigier
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote: > > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200 > > From: Wolfgang Bornath > > To: Mageia development mailing-list > > Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put > > non-f

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 12 July 2011 23:14, Renaud MICHEL wrote: > On mardi 12 juillet 2011 at 22:48, andre999 wrote : >> I noticed that all packages in "tainted" contain ".tainted." in the name. >> rsync permits adding the option >> --exclude '.tainted.' >> to permit excluding such packages if a mirror wants to. > >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread andre999
Romain d'Alverny a écrit : On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 23:08, Balcaen John wrote: On Tuesday 12 July 2011 16:48:58 andre999 wrote: [...] For all these reasons, I think that it is much more appropriate to wait to be approached by the patent holder. (If not ourselves, then some other distro.) I ho

[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Philippe DIDIER
So there seems to be a wish for an other answer to this request : https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730 Faac (and rpms built with it ) might appear at least in tainted repo ? same as they are in plf ... or in Debian squeeze multimedia repo, or in ATrpms repo for Fedora 15

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/12 Dexter Morgan : > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote: >> andre999 skrev 12.7.2011 23:48: >>> >>> So we could eliminate the "tainted" repos, to facilitate putting packages >>> in >>> core or non-free as appropriate. >>> There may have to be a few adjustments to show (

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote: > andre999 skrev 12.7.2011 23:48: >> >> So we could eliminate the "tainted" repos, to facilitate putting packages >> in >> core or non-free as appropriate. >> There may have to be a few adjustments to show (or not) the packages >> tagged >>

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 23:08, Balcaen John wrote: > On Tuesday 12 July 2011 16:48:58 andre999 wrote: > [...] >> >> For all these reasons, I think that it is much more appropriate to wait to >> be approached by the patent holder. >> (If not ourselves, then some other distro.) > I hope you're not s

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Thomas Backlund
andre999 skrev 12.7.2011 23:48: So we could eliminate the "tainted" repos, to facilitate putting packages in core or non-free as appropriate. There may have to be a few adjustments to show (or not) the packages tagged "tainted", but that shouldn't be difficult. Wouldn't that be easier ? (At the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Renaud MICHEL
On mardi 12 juillet 2011 at 22:48, andre999 wrote : > I noticed that all packages in "tainted" contain ".tainted." in the name. > rsync permits adding the option > --exclude '.tainted.' > to permit excluding such packages if a mirror wants to. You should not do that, because you will end up with a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Balcaen John
On Tuesday 12 July 2011 16:48:58 andre999 wrote: [...] > > For all these reasons, I think that it is much more appropriate to wait to > be approached by the patent holder. > (If not ourselves, then some other distro.) I hope you're not serious when writing thoses lines. -- Balcaen John

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/12 andre999 : > > For all these reasons, I think that it is much more appropriate to wait to > be approached by the patent holder. > (If not ourselves, then some other distro.) > And if that means that our constrained ("tainted") repos are almost empty, > wouldn't that simplify things ? I s

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread andre999
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2011/7/12 andre999: Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2011/7/9 andre999: Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil: Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/7/8 James Kerr: This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could b

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/12 Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. : >> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200 >> From: Wolfgang Bornath >> To: Mageia development mailing-list >> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put >>         non-free+tainted RPMs? > Message-ID: >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200 > From: Wolfgang Bornath > To: Mageia development mailing-list > Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put > non-free+tainted RPMs? Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Anssi Hannula
On 12.07.2011 04:42, andre999 wrote: > Romain d'Alverny a écrit : >> Speaking of the software patent stuff, the Debian Project just >> released a Community Distribution Patent Policy FAQ here: >> http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq (announce: >> http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110709 ). >> >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-12 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/12 andre999 : > Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : >> >> 2011/7/9 andre999: >>> >>> Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil: > > Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: >> >> 2011/7/8 James Kerr: >>> >>> This thread has strayed far from the origi

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-11 Thread andre999
Romain d'Alverny a écrit : Speaking of the software patent stuff, the Debian Project just released a Community Distribution Patent Policy FAQ here: http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq (announce: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110709 ). Romain Interesting reading. Warning against parano

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-11 Thread andre999
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2011/7/9 andre999: Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil: Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/7/8 James Kerr: This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be re-stated as: Should tainted free software and t

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-09 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/9 andre999 : > Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : >> >> 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil: >>> >>> Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/7/8 James Kerr: > > This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be > re-stated as: > > Should tainted f

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-09 Thread Romain d'Alverny
Speaking of the software patent stuff, the Debian Project just released a Community Distribution Patent Policy FAQ here: http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq (announce: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110709 ). Romain

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-08 Thread andre999
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil: Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/7/8 James Kerr: This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be re-stated as: Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled in a single

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil : > Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: >> >> 2011/7/8 James Kerr: >>> >>> This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be >>> re-stated as: >>> >>> Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled >>> in a >>> singl

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-08 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/7/8 James Kerr: This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be re-stated as: Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled in a single tainted repository? How can tainted software be free sof

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/8 James Kerr : > This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be > re-stated as: > > Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled in a > single tainted repository? How can tainted software be free software at the same time? -- wobo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-08 Thread James Kerr
This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be re-stated as: Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled in a single tainted repository? Given Mageia's commitment to the promotion of free software, I believe that they should not. If Mageia

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-07 Thread andre999
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2011/7/8 andre999: Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2011/7/7 nicolas vigier: On Thu, 07 Jul 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: I must admit I do not understand the cause of this discussion, maybe I am thinking in too simple ways. Free goes in core, non-free goes in non-free

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-07 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/8 andre999 : > Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : >> >> 2011/7/7 nicolas vigier: >>> >>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >>> I must admit I do not understand the cause of this discussion, maybe I am thinking in too simple ways. Free goes in core, non-free goes in non-free

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-07 Thread andre999
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2011/7/7 nicolas vigier: On Thu, 07 Jul 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: I must admit I do not understand the cause of this discussion, maybe I am thinking in too simple ways. Free goes in core, non-free goes in non-free. If a non-free software has a restrictive license

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-07 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/7 nicolas vigier : > On Thu, 07 Jul 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > >> I must admit I do not understand the cause of this discussion, maybe I >> am thinking in too simple ways. Free goes in core, non-free goes in >> non-free. If a non-free software has a restrictive license it goes in >> tai

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-07 Thread nicolas vigier
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > I must admit I do not understand the cause of this discussion, maybe I > am thinking in too simple ways. Free goes in core, non-free goes in > non-free. If a non-free software has a restrictive license it goes in > tainted. A free software can not hav

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 6 July 2011 21:54, Anssi Hannula wrote: > On 06.07.2011 16:04, Ahmad Samir wrote: >> On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny wrote: > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath >>

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/7 andre999 : > Anssi Hannula a écrit : >> >> On 06.07.2011 16:04, Ahmad Samir wrote: >>> >>> On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny  wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir  wrote: > > On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny  wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 6,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread andre999
Anssi Hannula a écrit : On 06.07.2011 16:04, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: If we go back to the beginnin

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Anssi Hannula
On 06.07.2011 16:04, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir wrote: >>> On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > If we go back to the beginning of

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/7/6 Ahmad Samir : > On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir wrote: >>> On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > If we go back to the beginning of the discussion wh

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 15:04, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny wrote: >> I understand this as: software that might be free or open source => >> can be not free or open source. "might" expressed the possibility, not >> the requirement. IOW, tainted does not discriminate

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny wrote: > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir wrote: >> On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath >>> wrote: If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such packages

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread nicolas vigier
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011, Thorsten van Lil wrote: > > The reason why we have tainted is, that there are patents, which restrain > some user to use this software. So, it's a question of legality, which > should get the higher priority. The differentiation if it's free or > not-free is only a question

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread James Kerr
On 06/07/11 12:58, Romain d'Alverny wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference: 1. All non-free goes into non-free 2. Software which may be illegal in som

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath >> wrote: >>> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such >>> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference: >>> >>>

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 06.07.2011 14:04, schrieb Ahmad Samir: On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference: 1. All non-free goes into no

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny wrote: > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such >> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference: >> >> 1. All non-free goes into non-free >> >> 2. Software which ma

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such > packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference: > > 1. All non-free goes into non-free > > 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of > lic

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 6 July 2011 13:40, Florian Hubold wrote: > Am 06.07.2011 12:10, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: >> >> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such >> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference: >> >> 1. All non-free goes into non-free >> >> 2. Software which may be il

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 06.07.2011 12:10, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference: 1. All non-free goes into non-free 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of licensing) will go in

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 6 July 2011 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such > packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference: > > 1. All non-free goes into non-free > > 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of > licensing)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference: 1. All non-free goes into non-free 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of licensing) will go into tainted. That's all. Clear and simple. The q

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 17.03.2011 09:14, schrieb Samuel Verschelde: Le mardi 15 mars 2011 21:30:05, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mardi 15 mars 2011 à 20:34 +0100, Tux99 a écrit : Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 20:21 Because some people do not care about patents and using tainted stuff, but do

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-17 Thread Tux99
Quote: Samuel Verschelde wrote on Thu, 17 March 2011 09:14 > Well, that would be a real solution if we really wanted to flag those > packages > both as tainted and as non-free, as some people give more importance to > the > fact that it is tainted and others to the fact that it is non-free. A

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-17 Thread Oliver Burger
Am Donnerstag 17 März 2011, 09:14:09 schrieb Samuel Verschelde: > However, as the whole discussion seems to revolve around only one practical > package, what would be even better would be convince and help upstream to > solve the licensing issue (if that's feasible). I just wanted to aks how many

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-17 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le mardi 15 mars 2011 21:30:05, Michael Scherer a écrit : > Le mardi 15 mars 2011 à 20:34 +0100, Tux99 a écrit : > > Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 20:21 > > > > > Because some people do not care about patents and using tainted stuff, > > > but do care about free licenses and d

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread andre999
andre999 a écrit : Tux99 a écrit : André, I agree with you, we never should have had the separation of 'tainted' (and I argued that in the early days too) but that decision was made a long time ago and is not up for debate here. With regards to open source but not FOSS, there are many types of

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread andre999
Tux99 a écrit : André, I agree with you, we never should have had the separation of 'tainted' (and I argued that in the early days too) but that decision was made a long time ago and is not up for debate here. With regards to open source but not FOSS, there are many types of licenses that source

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread andre999
Tux99 a écrit : If the mix is legit, then we just move to non-free, and warn mirrors that both non-free and tainted can cause troubles. Why do you think that would be a better solution than putting it into tainted (where it belongs for dependencies) and marking tainted as being for ALL tainte

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread Tux99
André, I agree with you, we never should have had the separation of 'tainted' (and I argued that in the early days too) but that decision was made a long time ago and is not up for debate here. With regards to open source but not FOSS, there are many types of licenses that source code can come wi

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread andre999
Tux99 a écrit : I was looking at Mandriva non-free SRPM directory since Mageia doesn't have much in non-free yet. I haven't actually counted if the majority has source or not, so you might be right, but we are digressing here because like I said in the first post the question here in this thread

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread Anssi Hannula
On 14.03.2011 15:30, Tux99 wrote: > > > Quote: Anssi Hannula wrote on Mon, 14 March 2011 00:35 >> >> On 14.03.2011 01:01, Tux99 wrote: >>> >>> Personally I also think 'tainted' would be the better choice than >>> 'non-free' since potential patent issues are a more serious concern >>> than a >>> n

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread Anssi Hannula
On 13.03.2011 22:01, Thomas Backlund wrote: > sön 2011-03-13 klockan 21:55 +0200 skrev Tux99: >> >> During the review with my mentor Anssi of one of the packages I'm working >> on, the question came up what the appropriate repository for a package is >> that's both non-free (open source but not a F

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread Tux99
Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 21:30 > Le mardi 15 mars 2011 à 20:34 +0100, Tux99 a écrit : > > > > Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 20:21 > > > > > Because some people do not care about patents and using

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 15 mars 2011 à 20:34 +0100, Tux99 a écrit : > > Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 20:21 > > > Because some people do not care about patents and using tainted stuff, > > but do care about free licenses and do care about what it bring to > > them. > > > > I do. Stormi do

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread Tux99
Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 20:21 > Because some people do not care about patents and using tainted stuff, > but do care about free licenses and do care about what it bring to > them. > > I do. Stormi do ( or seems to do ). And I think that given we decided > to > split P

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 15 mars 2011 à 18:36 +0100, Tux99 a écrit : > > > If the mix is legit, then we just move to non-free, and warn mirrors > > that both non-free and tainted can cause troubles. > > Why do you think that would be a better solution than putting it into > tainted (where it belongs for dependen

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread Tux99
> If the mix is legit, then we just move to non-free, and warn mirrors > that both non-free and tainted can cause troubles. Why do you think that would be a better solution than putting it into tainted (where it belongs for dependencies) and marking tainted as being for ALL tainted packages (reg

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 15 mars 2011 à 16:13 +0100, Tux99 a écrit : > > Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 11:28 > > > > amrnb-7.0.0.2-2plf2011.0.src.rpm > > > amrwb-7.0.0.3-2plf2011.0.src.rpm > > > > This one is interesting, because the whole code is free in the > > tarball, > > as this downlo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread Tux99
Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 11:28 > > amrnb-7.0.0.2-2plf2011.0.src.rpm > > amrwb-7.0.0.3-2plf2011.0.src.rpm > > This one is interesting, because the whole code is free in the > tarball, > as this download the code from the internet at compile time. The > resulting code is

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread Anssi Hannula
On 15.03.2011 12:28, Michael Scherer wrote: > Le mardi 15 mars 2011 à 05:06 +0100, Tux99 a écrit : >> >> To add some examples of 'tainted+non-free' packages (that also include >> source code) I just came across in plf free (plf doesn't seem to be too >> strict about their free/non-free subdivision)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-15 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 15 mars 2011 à 05:06 +0100, Tux99 a écrit : > > To add some examples of 'tainted+non-free' packages (that also include > source code) I just came across in plf free (plf doesn't seem to be too > strict about their free/non-free subdivision): I was in Vienna in May 2004 when we first disc

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-14 Thread Tux99
To add some examples of 'tainted+non-free' packages (that also include source code) I just came across in plf free (plf doesn't seem to be too strict about their free/non-free subdivision): amrnb-7.0.0.2-2plf2011.0.src.rpm amrwb-7.0.0.3-2plf2011.0.src.rpm faac-1.28-3plf2011.0.src.rpm Where will

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-14 Thread Tux99
I was looking at Mandriva non-free SRPM directory since Mageia doesn't have much in non-free yet. I haven't actually counted if the majority has source or not, so you might be right, but we are digressing here because like I said in the first post the question here in this thread is about a packa

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 15 mars 2011 à 00:59 +0100, Tux99 a écrit : > > Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 00:18 > > > Usually, people who do write non-free softwares on Linux ( like Adobe > > for flashplayer, Oracle for Java, etc ) are also those that do > > commercial business around it, and a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-14 Thread Tux99
Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 00:18 > Usually, people who do write non-free softwares on Linux ( like Adobe > for flashplayer, Oracle for Java, etc ) are also those that do > commercial business around it, and also pay the patent holder for > usage, > as seen when accepting

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 14 mars 2011 à 23:28 +0100, Tux99 a écrit : > > Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Mon, 14 March 2011 21:49 > > > Le dimanche 13 mars 2011 à 21:09 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : > > > Le dimanche 13 mars 2011 21:01:15, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > > > > sön 2011-03-13 klockan 21:55 +0200

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-14 Thread Tux99
Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Mon, 14 March 2011 21:49 > Le dimanche 13 mars 2011 à 21:09 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : > > Le dimanche 13 mars 2011 21:01:15, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > > > sön 2011-03-13 klockan 21:55 +0200 skrev Tux99: > > > > During the review with my mentor Anssi of

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le dimanche 13 mars 2011 à 21:09 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : > Le dimanche 13 mars 2011 21:01:15, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > > sön 2011-03-13 klockan 21:55 +0200 skrev Tux99: > > > During the review with my mentor Anssi of one of the packages I'm working > > > on, the question came up what

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-14 Thread Tux99
Quote: Anssi Hannula wrote on Mon, 14 March 2011 00:35 > > On 14.03.2011 01:01, Tux99 wrote: > > > > Personally I also think 'tainted' would be the better choice than > > 'non-free' since potential patent issues are a more serious concern > > than a > > non-FOSS license, but tbh I think both cho

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-13 Thread Anssi Hannula
On 14.03.2011 01:01, Tux99 wrote: > > > Personally I also think 'tainted' would be the better choice than > 'non-free' since potential patent issues are a more serious concern than a > non-FOSS license, but tbh I think both choices are far from ideal, I > believe the only really clean solution wo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-13 Thread Tux99
Personally I also think 'tainted' would be the better choice than 'non-free' since potential patent issues are a more serious concern than a non-FOSS license, but tbh I think both choices are far from ideal, I believe the only really clean solution would be to create a 'tainted+non-free' repo jus

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-13 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le dimanche 13 mars 2011 21:01:15, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > sön 2011-03-13 klockan 21:55 +0200 skrev Tux99: > > During the review with my mentor Anssi of one of the packages I'm working > > on, the question came up what the appropriate repository for a package is > > that's both non-free (open s

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-13 Thread Thomas Backlund
sön 2011-03-13 klockan 21:55 +0200 skrev Tux99: > > During the review with my mentor Anssi of one of the packages I'm working > on, the question came up what the appropriate repository for a package is > that's both non-free (open source but not a FOSS license) and tainted > (contains sw. that is

[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-03-13 Thread Tux99
During the review with my mentor Anssi of one of the packages I'm working on, the question came up what the appropriate repository for a package is that's both non-free (open source but not a FOSS license) and tainted (contains sw. that is covered by patents in some parts of the world). Should a