On Sun 16/Jan/2022 17:29:21 +0100 Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote:
They do want to reserve it for themselves and it's not unreasonable. If you own
IP space it is your job to ensure that it isn't abused. If you give up the
receiving of abuse complaints and give it to your customer instead, and
Dnia 16.01.2022 o godz. 19:27:28 Aaron C. de Bruyn via mailop pisze:
> Noel isn't the only one who blocks linode.
It has been mentioned multiple times on this list that there are mail
recipients who block entire particular providers' IP space from sending mail
to them (for example Linode, AWS or
On 1/17/22 4:32 AM, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote:
Anyway, sending mail to one party doesn't prevent sending to the other
as well. When I find multiple abuse addresses in RDAP, I report to all
of them. I think everybody else does so.
I found that the minimal MTA expansion /
[Trimming most of the message]
On 1/16/22 9:27 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via mailop wrote:
The important part in that statement is "via mailop".
The mailing list accepted and re-distributed the message.
If you tried to email Noel directly, it probably wouldn't go through.
Noel isn't the only one
Hi Noel,
Excerpting from my original message in this thread:
"I have seen on this list ... Linode is terrible...
I have never seen 'Platform X is great..'"
You have now said the first, how about contributing to the latter?
John
On 1/16/22 8:52 PM, Noel Butler via mailop wrote:
You dont
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 5:32 AM Alessandro Vesely via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
> I'm not clear what you mean by "secure your own IP block".
>
> Besides, for the mxroute address you wrote from, 149.28.56.236, I find an
> abuse address of ab...@vultr.com, which looks like your ISP's.
>
On 2022-01-17 8:40 a.m., Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
At the same time, I understand why Mailops preaches that they send abuse
reports to the owner of the IP address - which, again, may be several
company levels up from the individual that actually has root to the
server and can take more
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 12:06 PM Grant Taylor via mailop
wrote:
> Drive by comment:
>
> What if we had something like an MX record published for the IP
> address(es) in reverse DNS / in-addr.arpa for
> ... and configure those MX records to route to a mail server
> of the owners /
Am 11.01.2022 um 20:04 schrieb Mark G Thomas via mailop:
I'm not generally involved in our support issues, but a coworker at
my work (Linode) reached out to me about what looks to be a new problem
involving hosting customers being blocked by by Microsoft.
It's nice to see another representative
Hello,
Thanks to a helpful message from Hetzner, I signed up for Microsoft SNDS.
According to SNDS my IP address is not blocked, but is "Junked due to
user complaints or other evidence of spamming"
I still get
550 5.7.511
Access denied, banned sender[50.116.29.164]
every time I send to
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022, Grant Taylor via mailop wrote:
On 1/17/22 9:40 AM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
send abuse reports to the owner of the IP address
Drive by comment:
What if we had something like an MX record published for the IP address(es)
in reverse DNS / in-addr.arpa for ...
On 1/17/22 9:40 AM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
send abuse reports to the owner of the IP address
Drive by comment:
What if we had something like an MX record published for the IP
address(es) in reverse DNS / in-addr.arpa for
... and configure those MX records to route to a mail
On 1/17/22 11:47 AM, John Levine via mailop wrote:
Some of us have limited enthusiasm for providing free consulting to
organizations
who for whatever reason don't manage their users' misbehavior.
My opinion about Linode is that it's not the worst but it's far from the best.
I use a small
It appears that Grant Taylor via mailop said:
>What if we had something like an MX record published for the IP
>address(es) in reverse DNS / in-addr.arpa for
>... and configure those MX records to route to a mail server
>of the owners / administrators of the IP (space) in question?
This
It appears that Scott Mutter via mailop said:
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>
>On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 12:06 PM Grant Taylor via mailop
>wrote:
>
>> Drive by comment:
>>
>> What if we had something like an MX record published for the IP
>> address(es) in reverse DNS / in-addr.arpa for
>> ... and
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022, Dan Mahoney wrote:
It is quite simple to use RDAP to get the abuse contact email for
anyone who has provided the info to their RIR. I do it all the time.
The problem is that too many operators don't bother. If they don't
tell the RIR, they are not likely to spend effort
Thanks, John - one indeed can get smarter every day; there is still
enough stuff out there to become aware and to learn! ;-)
Forwarded Message
Subject: Re: [mailop] What am I supposed to do with abuse complaints on
legit mail?
Date: 17 Jan 2022 14:09:55 -0500
From: John
It appears that Andrew C Aitchison via mailop said:
>A more sophistication version of
> postmaster@(whois a.b.c.d | grep -i techemail)
>but with a cleverer grep to support current whois server variants
>and redirection to a "better" whois server ?
That's what RDAP is. Works great for IP
On 1/17/22 11:49 AM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
Do reverse DNS entries support the TXT structure?
I can't remember the last time I used it to say with any certainty. But
would completely expect that it would. Remember, reverse DNS is simply
a permutation to a forward DNS query to an
> On Jan 17, 2022, at 11:06 AM, John Levine via mailop
> wrote:
>
> It appears that Grant Taylor via mailop said:
>> What if we had something like an MX record published for the IP
>> address(es) in reverse DNS / in-addr.arpa for
>> ... and configure those MX records to route to a mail
Hi John,
The error message you've referenced is related to Office365 domains, not
Outlook.
You should be able to unblock your IP on this form:
https://sender.office.com/
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:56 PM John Gateley via mailop
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Thanks to a helpful message from Hetzner, I
On 2022-01-17 at 10:12:43 UTC-0500 (Mon, 17 Jan 2022 09:12:43 -0600)
John Gateley via mailop
is rumored to have said:
As I said in my original message, everyone talks about how Linode (or
any platform) is terrible, but nobody makes positive suggestions.
It does rather say something about the
It appears that Grant Taylor via mailop said:
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>
>On 1/17/22 11:49 AM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
>> Do reverse DNS entries support the TXT structure?
>
>I can't remember the last time I used it to say with any certainty. But
>would completely expect that it would.
On 1/17/22 4:08 PM, John Levine via mailop wrote:
See my previous message about RDAP. If people want to publish
contact info for their IP ranges, they can do it now in the RIR WHOIS.
The problem is that they don't want to.
In theory, maybe.
However in my experience, many small operators who
On 2022-01-17 at 05:46:02 UTC-0500 (Mon, 17 Jan 2022 11:46:02 +0100)
Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
is rumored to have said:
So I would like to ask: is there anybody who blocks Google?
By default, on my personal system, yes.
Exemptions to that default mean that I only ever actually reject spam
We've really taken the original topic off course. But I feel that we may
be taking the secondary topic off course as well.
All the talk about abuse contacts in RDAP or RP DNS - I'm not saying that
these have merits... BUT... Is Microsoft/Yahoo/Gmail/*insert whatever big
name email service*
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 6:06 PM Grant Taylor via mailop
wrote:
> Why can't automated and manual reports go to the same address? Isn't
> that what recipient side filtering is for? E.g. separating RFC standard
> DSNs / MDNs from human generated messages, each handled by different teams.
>
> My
On 1/17/22 22:52, Camille - Clean Mailbox via mailop wrote:
Maybe your IP is not blocked (as they told you in form result) but what
about any IP range that includes your IP? If it’s an IP range ban, your
IP is not explicitly blocked so form won’t find it in the list.
I'm pretty sure that
On 2022-01-17 at 18:08:15 UTC-0500 (17 Jan 2022 18:08:15 -0500)
John Levine via mailop
is rumored to have said:
Dunno about you, but where I am, if an IP does not have matching
forward and reverse DNS, that is a very strong signal that it's not
supposed to be hosting a server and you don't
Am 18.01.22 um 07:52 schrieb Camille - Clean Mailbox via mailop:
Maybe your IP is not blocked (as they told you in form result) but what about any IP range that includes your IP? If
it’s an IP range ban, your IP is not explicitly blocked so form won’t find it in the list.
Not checking IP
Maybe your IP is not blocked (as they told you in form result) but what about
any IP range that includes your IP? If it’s an IP range ban, your IP is not
explicitly blocked so form won’t find it in the list.
> Le 18 janv. 2022 à 01:07, John Gateley via mailop a écrit
> :
>
> Hi Alex, and
Hi Alex, and thank you for responding.
I went to that form, entered the info, got the confirmation email,
and then when I do step 3 to unblock, it says:
The IP address in question is not currently blocked in our system.
Please refer to the email message you received from Microsoft and follow
On 1/17/22 4:47 PM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
Additionally, are all of these big name email service providers going to
automatically send feedback to these abuse contacts for every single
message that their users flag as spam or that their systems flags as spam?
I suspect that the
Yeah, maybe we should close down this thread, simply because it is a
high volume thread among only a few list members, and been going on a
while...
For the record, for our shared mail platform that we operate for smaller
ISP's and Telco's, we don't get a lot of traffic to our posted abuse
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